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The public status loss Agamemnon fears after Achilles challenges him; Jiang treats it as dangerous in a violent honor hierarchy.
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Lose face
The public status loss Agamemnon fears after Achilles challenges him; Jiang treats it as dangerous in a violent honor hierarchy.
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"...a response to Achilles. He feels as though Achilles made him lose face. So now he wants to make Achilles lose face as well...."
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"...wars, but at the same time, he does not like to lose face."
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"...because achilles wants agamemnon to apologize that agamemnon doesn't want to lose face so there's a real threat that the trojans will destroy the..."
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"...say I'm wrong before your peers. You lower your status. You lose face. And that's why people who are more energetic, who are more..."
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"...was not the spy. But the French military didn't want to lose face."
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"...Achilles can defeat Hector in battle. But Agamemnon doesn't want to lose face. So he sends a delegation of generals led by a man..."
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"...answer is credibility, okay? Credibility just means they didn't want to lose face. They didn't want to be laughed at by the Chinese and..."
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"...is, unfortunately, the answer is credibility, okay? We don't want to lose face, guys, okay? We don't want to lose face. If we withdraw"
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"...fighting this war. It was just, like, we don't want to lose face. We don't want to be laughed at. That's it, okay? So..."
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A source-grounded reading of the Iliad as self-recognition: Achilles becomes a mirror for humiliation and pride, Homeric speech tries to control reality, and the ancient poet becomes prophet and teacher because truth is beautiful,...
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