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He can annex Canada any point. This has been true for the past 300 years. The reason why America doesn't do that is because if you were to do that, the very illusion that America is a force for good in the world would shatter, okay? And the entire world will unify against you, right? So South America would start to rebel against you. Europe would start to unite against you. So that's why you don't do it. Because if you were to do this, you would be in a lot of trouble. You would break all national norms, and everyone would see you as the major threat. But at the end of the day, Trump's going to do this, because that's who he is. 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And what he means by that is he wants to replace the old elite, the established elite, the global elite, with a new elite. Okay. So what we're seeing right..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0022", "video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0023" ], "note": "The claims about ICE as a Gestapo-like force and a deliberate plan to provoke civil war are Jiang's interpretation and are not internally corroborated by the packet.", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0022", "segment_id": "seg-0022", "start": 975.92, "end": 1032.83, "time_label": "16:15", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "And look, if he were not running for a third term, we cannot possibly explain the speed and the force by which he is revamping American society. Think about ICE, okay? 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So again, for the longest time, the world was run on consensus. It was just based on shared assumptions and values, right? And one shared assumption is the idea of national sovereignty, that if it's a country, th..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0073", "video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0074" ], "note": "The annex-Canada scenario is explicitly speculative and framed through Jiang's reading of Trump's character and strategic style rather than direct documentary evidence in the packet.", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0073", "segment_id": "seg-0073", "start": 3276.92, "end": 3328.171, "time_label": "54:36", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Now, if he doesn't care about international law, it's probably possible for him to go take Greenland. It's not hard. It's easy for him to take Canada as well, because Canada doesn't really have a military. 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