Jiang confirms that Cato belongs in Purgatory because he gave up his life rather than submit to Caesar, making him an example of preserving free will over survival.
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Jiang rejects the idea that every relevant schism in this circle must be an explicit separation from God, noting that Caesar and Pompey provide Dante with secular political examples.
Jiang adds the historical speculation that Brutus may have been Caesar's son, further heightening the betrayal by intimacy and kinship.
A student and Jiang agree that Caesar's later deification under Augustus means Brutus and Cassius can be read as killers not only of a host but of a godlike figure in the Roman imagination.
Jiang names a second paradox: Cato fought on Pompey's side against Caesar, even though the killers of Caesar are placed among the worst traitors in Inferno.
Jiang speculates that Cato killed himself rather than let Caesar humiliate him with clemency, which makes the act look proud and petty rather than spiritually noble.
The placement of Brutus and Cassius beside Judas creates a paradox because it would imply Julius Caesar is divine, yet Caesar remains in limbo.
Cato's guardianship of purgatory is paradoxical because he was pre-Christian, committed suicide, and opposed Caesar, yet is above limbo and above hell.
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"...he he killed himself as to like not be one of caesar's followers you're right"
"and that and that's why he's in purgatory right okay was that a question okay"
"good but but but according to dante this is schisming from god right and i mean there's"
"not necessarily not necessarily not necessarily no right because caesar and pompey didn't believe in god right okay all right so this is this..."
"...his son. All right. So remember, this is, when was Julius Caesar assassinated? Like what year? 33? I can't actually remember when he was..."
"...worse? Is it because the Romans then later said that Julius Caesar is God, so it's betrayal of God maybe even. Exactly."
"Exactly. That's right. After Augustus Caesar comes to power, he elevates Julius Caesar to divinity, okay? So this is why they're in hell. Because..."
"Okay, sure. Okay. But, but, but, but that's not necessarily a paradox. Like the fact that he, that he is not a Christian, that's..."
"but he rebelled against Caesar, right? He rebelled against Caesar. He was on the side of Pompeii. Um, so if I'm trying to figure..."
"I'm not sure how he, why he committed suicide. But I would guess it's because of his honor for, um, whatever, um, the side..."
"...guess maybe he committed suicide because his side was losing and Caesar was offering clemency to everyone. Right. And so what was going to..."
"Okay, so when they meet this, the thing that they discover is that this is mechanical. He's a machine. He doesn't have ideas, he..."
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