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Jiang directly answers the student that Romans killed Jesus, while the Bible adds the disputed claim that Jews conspired to make Rome kill him.
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Romans
A source-grounded reading of a long Dante seminar that starts with a student dreaming of a tree across water and ends by redefining Purgatory as democratic hope, free will, dangerous guidance, prayer for the...
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A source-grounded reading of a long Dante seminar that starts with a student dreaming of a tree across water and ends by redefining Purgatory as democratic hope, free will, dangerous guidance, prayer for the...
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model
Jiang distinguishes Greek, Roman, and Viking selfhood: Greek excellence means standing out in politics, Roman piety means loyalty to tradition and conquest, and Viking excellence means adding to the communal story through courage and adventure.
diagnosis
Jiang closes this packet by saying Western civilization, including Greeks and Romans, comes from the Yamnaya-created world; before Yamnaya humanity was egalitarian, peaceful, and artistic, and after Yamnaya there is patriarchy, war, and money.
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Jiang says the Greeks did not strongly influence the British because Rome mediated the tradition, so the modern British and American world is Roman rather than Greek.
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"...Also, remember, we discussed this in the last class, but the Romans were just brutal people. They killed people for no particular reason. So,..."
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"...the real group that killed Jesus is the Jews or the Romans?"
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"So, yeah. I'm saying that it's the Romans who killed Jesus, and we all agree it was the Romans who killed Jesus. What the..."
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"Now, but within this tradition, within this understanding, there are different ways you can conceptualize the idea of the community and the individual. Okay?..."
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"That is the Greek understanding. Then you have the Romans. The Romans define community as tradition and history and place. As long as you..."
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"For them, community and the individual are very different. The community is are told over and over by the people inside the community. And..."
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"...okay? Because when you think of Western civilization, the Greeks, the Romans, well, they all come from this world, okay? So basically what the..."
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"...not that much because remember, like, after the Greeks came the Romans, the Romans were like this. And there was a Roman who influenced..."
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"...tardy my conversion was! But when I had been named the Roman Shepherd, then I discovered the deceit of life. I saw that there..."
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"...he is the founder of the current dynasty of the Holy Roman Empire, okay? So his family now controls the Holy Roman Empire. As..."
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"...the Catholic Church, right? Well, the founder of the current Holy Roman Empire, Hugh Cabat, criticizes his own family and demands divine justice, divine..."
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"...you understand 70 70 is the is the year when the romans burned down the second temple okay titus is the emperor and he..."
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A source-grounded reading of a long Dante seminar that starts with a student dreaming of a tree across water and ends by redefining Purgatory as democratic hope, free will, dangerous guidance, prayer for the...
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A source-grounded reading of a five-hour hybrid workshop that begins with Macbeth and ends by turning Purgatory, free will, tragedy, envy, and generosity into one model of human transformation.
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A source-grounded reading of Jiang's central claim: late Inferno is where private vice hardens into social design.
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Jiang turns late Inferno and early Purgatorio into a struggle over imagination itself.
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Dante's Hell is not just a ladder of sins in this lecture.
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A source-grounded reading of the lecture's central claim: Dante's Heaven is not the end of questioning but the place where imagination, love, and freedom turn against dead authority, dead fear, and finally Virgil himself.
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The late cantos become Jiang's sharpest Dante claim so far: faith is not obedience but imagination that helps make truth real, hope is the arrogant wager that exile and persecution can still bear fruit,...
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The seminar begins with line-by-line questions and expands into a larger claim: Dante matters because poetry trains imagination, vows turn hope into action, and faith, hope, and love stop meaning obedience and start meaning...
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