Discussed not as the final problem in itself but as the doorway through which pride and evil are transmitted historically.
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Original sin
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A transcript-matched topic anchored by excerpts such as "...knowledge and so the idea is we should be condemned to original sin right just because of what adam and eve did okay so..."
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In the Augustinian framework Jiang is summarizing, humanity inherits damage and desire from Adam's fall, which grounds a pessimistic ethic of obedience.
In this packet Jiang refuses to define original sin as simple fruit-eating and instead treats it as the inward desire to become God by displacing God. The student's term for the inherited stain from Adam and Eve that initially makes life look like a project of soul-redemption.
Term or model used in this packet's account of Paul, Christianity, Roman power, or church doctrine.
He also ties the plant and tree imagery in Purgatory to the tree of knowledge and to the question of whether Adam and Eve's act should condemn descendants.
Jiang treats Dante as fundamentally optimistic here: redeemed humanity can pass through Eden, and that reopened access is evidence that original sin has been forgiven.
In the Adam passage, the decisive issue is not simply fruit consumption but trespassing the boundary set by God.
A student surfaces the theological problem directly: if Adam's original sin could be forgiven, why would Jesus still need to die for humanity.
Jiang reads Dante as relocating responsibility for original sin from Eve to Adam, and he treats that shift as revolutionary and heretical against conventional teaching.
He says Paul and Augustine, drawing from Virgil, teach that because humans are inherently evil after original sin, the safest path is obedience to the Church in order to avoid producing more evil.
A student loosely connects the discussion to original sin and heroic striving, implying that shared blame and heroic testing may frame Dante's situation.
Jiang summarizes the official Christian story as original sin leading to crucifixion and then to Roman revenge on the Jews through the destruction of the Second Temple, while also stressing that this story immediately creates moral and logical problems.
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"...knowledge and so the idea is we should be condemned to original sin right just because of what adam and eve did okay so..."
"The angels come from Mary's bosom, right? Mary redeemed us, and so they came from our heart to protect us as we enter the..."
"...know we've been redeemed. Right? God has forgiven us for our original sin. Alright, any more questions? Yes?"
"was placed by God in that high garden where this lady read it readied you to climb a stair so long and just how..."
"The original sin could be forgiven then why did Jesus need to like die for us."
"...there's an answer to this which is the problem isn't the original sin. The problem is our pride. And so through you know genetics..."
"...that it's Adam and not Eve who was responsible for the original sin. This is revolutionary. Right. Let me ask you this question. What..."
"...teaches people that is very important is that because of the original sin, because of our disobedience from God, humans are inherently evil. If..."
"Therefore, you should just obey, and if you obey and you avoid sin, that is the fastest path to heaven. Okay? Does that make..."
"Can I add to this? I actually was rereading and researching last night City of God by Augustine, and he would say that because..."
"because you know first first of all i think the original thing is kind of thing that i've been reading the bible it means..."
"us from our original sin right adam and eve at the beginning of time god gave him a very simple order very simple instruction..."
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