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Achilles becomes Jiang's example of self-made hell: guilt over Patroclus and Hector traps him until Priam's forgiveness enables self-forgiveness.
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Forgiveness
Beatrice may be structuring her explanation so Virgil can understand it, because telling him the universe is all forgiven would exceed his worldview.
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Beatrice may be structuring her explanation so Virgil can understand it, because telling him the universe is all forgiven would exceed his worldview.
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To celebrate someone you love is to remain open and generous toward others, and even to forgive the killer rather than avenge the dead.
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Virgil reverses the Iliad's Priam by making generosity and openness lead not to moral reconciliation but to Troy's doom.
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Jiang reads Priam's speech to Pyrrhus as accusing him of degrading Achilles because Achilles honored the suppliant Priam and returned Hector's body.
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This section prepares Jiang's claim that Virgil negates the Iliad's lesson that love and forgiveness can come into the world even after war.
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Priam's death negates the Iliad's moral lesson of forgiving one's enemy by making the forgiving old king look foolish and deserving of death.
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Priam's greatness comes from refusing revenge: he kneels to and kisses the hands of the man who killed his sons instead of killing Achilles when he has the chance.
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"And therefore, we create hell to imprison ourselves in. And again, that sounds confusing, but let's use the example of the Iliad. Right? The..."
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"it shows you the limitations of Virgil's worldview, where in the Imiad, it's all about reciprocity, okay? It's all about contract. It's all about..."
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"Okay, yeah. All right. That's a good point, okay? So, your point is, well, Aeneas loves his friend, Pallas. And as a result, it's..."
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"Okay? And that's what the great books are about. The great books, even Homer and Dante, they really think deeply about what love is..."
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"The day of infamy soon came. The sacred rites were all performed for the victim, the salted meal strewn, the bands tied around my..."
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"Whoever you are, from now on, you've lost the Greeks. Put them out of your mind and you'll be one of us. But answer..."
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"Okay, so again, this reminds us of the Iliad, where Priam the king of the Trojans is known for being a very generous, benevolent,..."
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"At that, Priam, trapped in the grip of death, not holding back, not checking his words, his rage. You, he cries, you and your..."
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"Okay, so again, he is reminding us of the ending of the Iliad where in this great war, peace and love come to universe..."
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"Okay, so Pyrrhus is a son of Achilles, okay? So this is a rewriting of the ending of the Iliad, where Priam and Achilles..."
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"With that and with all his might, the old man flings his spear. But too impotent now to pierce. It merely grazes Pyrrhus' brazen..."
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"is an extremely violent poetry, in fact, you can say it's almost pornographic in the violence that it depicts, all right, and the Romans..."
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