prediction
Forese’s speech also contains a moral prophecy against Florentine immodesty, presenting future punishment as already legible from purgatorial foresight.
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Women
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question
Jiang presents a third Dantean pressure point by contrasting Greek tragic women with Dante's elevated treatment of women, then asking what Shakespeare is doing with female power in Macbeth.
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Bromwich says Lady Macbeth is indeed a thoroughgoing female villain, but the play humanizes her by showing that she shares Macbeth's consciousness of the deed's stain and cannot wash herself free of it.
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He argues that Lady Macbeth should not be treated as Shakespeare's general view of women, since Shakespeare also writes figures like Cordelia and Desdemona and can be strikingly naturalistic in his sympathy for women.
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Bromwich says The Taming of the Shrew is not one of Shakespeare's truly great plays, because its plot and characters do not yield the same depth of thought even if some details still show Shakespeare's greatness.
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He counters a reductive reading of Shakespeare's women by naming Rosalind as completely commanding and Cleopatra as the most interesting character in Antony and Cleopatra, even saying Shakespeare seems to worship her.
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He argues that voluntary childlessness cannot be treated simply in medieval terms because celibate religious figures were revered and because childbirth for women in Dante's era involved extreme risk, including a high chance of death.
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One student suggests homosexuality harms women by denying femininity a place in the world, while another objects that reducing relationships to reproduction is itself a flawed argument.
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"...even the Barbagea of Sardinia is far more modest in its women than that Barbagea when I loved her. Oh, sweet brother, what would..."
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"...question he would ask is this. How does Shakespeare feel about women in society? Because the Greeks, there are a lot of extremely evil..."
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"Well, Lady Macbeth is a thoroughgoing female villain, and yet she is quite humanized by the end. She not only says what's done cannot..."
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"So they both. They, they share that awareness and they share. share the repression of that awareness the not wanting to acknowledge the thought..."
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"...her chance um she's no great indication of shakespeare's attitude towards women in general uh you can look at the character of cordelia in..."
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"...great work is. greatest plays do but you're mentioning all these women what about what about Rosalind as you like it yeah yeah she's..."
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"actually had this question yesterday as well so what about those people who purposefully chose not to have kids in some ways they're also..."
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"feeling well okay okay well here's here's a question then okay in the Catholic Church what kind of people are most revered yeah yeah..."
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"monks and yeah yeah go ahead and also you have to take in the time back then in the 14th century there's probably no..."
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"and also like if you're a woman okay if you had a free will you probably would not want to get married why that..."
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"Well, it hurts women because it denies femininity in the world and on earth because all the girls in this class are looking at..."
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"the problem with that argument is you're saying that essentially the only purpose of a relationship is reproduction. Yeah,"
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