diagnosis
He says churches and religions can begin as genuine reminders of divine identity but become corrupt when church and empire combine.
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Religion
A transcript-matched topic anchored by excerpts such as "...return to God. And then from this person will arise a religion, a church."
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A transcript-matched topic anchored by excerpts such as "...return to God. And then from this person will arise a religion, a church."
Key Notes
question
By asking the class what satisfaction Dante gives that Shakespeare lacks, Bromwich frames Dante as offering something bound up with overt religion rather than merely stronger plotting or characterization.
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A student testimony Jiang allows into the record is that mathematical beauty and symmetry moved someone from atheism toward religion, showing that number and design can indeed carry spiritual pressure.
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Jiang's students present possession, curses, and magical attack as normal possibilities in Malaysia, Africa, Hong Kong, China, and biblical tradition.
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Faith is defined here as the imagination to believe that God, heaven, hell, and divine love are real.
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Students add that rising child costs and loss of religion can also explain why young people stop forming families.
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A student says the Divine Comedy reunites thought, religion, and love into a unifying principle that can cross cultural divisions.
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Jiang says this universal recording is a cross-religious truth and part of the Divine Comedy's moral structure: every action leaves a trace and changes the universe by adding either happiness or sadness to it.
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"...return to God. And then from this person will arise a religion, a church."
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"And at first that's good, but then what happens is that the church and Empire combine together. And then this causes a lot of..."
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"so um um it's 10 o 'clock and it's very late where Professor Bromwich is so um Professor Bromwich before we conclude do you..."
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"um just let's say barely conversant with Dante um and having been reading it uh more than I uh have done lately in the..."
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"religious um writer like Shakespeare wow okay so guys that's a question for you guys what is unique about Dante anyone okay back there..."
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"...all these designs. So that's how he moved from atheism to religion."
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"but okay so um because i think it's because of the religion of the local people this kind of magical practices is a lot..."
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"From Catholic worldview, Lydia in the Bible, or whoever, I forgot the lady's name, but like there are people who are possessed by demons..."
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"Actually, speaking of, my husband and I have recently watched a Tucker Carlson podcast with a priest who is an exorcist. And actually, you..."
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"appreciated that symmetry yes okay so the key to understanding um the idea of lust is to appreciate the symmetry in the um divine..."
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"Population could also decline because the cost of raising a child is increased."
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"Yeah, the lack of religion, right? Okay. Okay. But I'm saying, like, argue against staunter, okay? And what Carol says is, yeah, but immigration..."
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Jiang turns late Inferno and early Purgatorio into a struggle over imagination itself.
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The seminar begins with line-by-line questions and expands into a larger claim: Dante matters because poetry trains imagination, vows turn hope into action, and faith, hope, and love stop meaning obedience and start meaning...
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Paradise first appears as receptivity rather than rank, then the lecture widens into vows, memory, resurrection, original sin, and Jiang's culminating wager that God created humanity because perfection alone cannot imagine.
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