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12 timestamped hits 8 source readings 4 extracted notes Newest source: 2026-06-26, day precision Aliases: cloud, clouds, the-cloud

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THE Clouds

A transcript-matched topic anchored by excerpts such as "...said, Remember those with double chests, the miserable ones born of the clouds, whom Thysias battled when they gorged themselves, and those whom Gideon..."

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A transcript-matched topic anchored by excerpts such as "...said, Remember those with double chests, the miserable ones born of the clouds, whom Thysias battled when they gorged themselves, and those whom Gideon..."

Most recent Jiang source touching this topic: The Tree, The Guide, And The Chosen Fire (2026-06-26, day precision).

Most connected source readings: The Tree, The Guide, And The Chosen Fire; Question Peter, Leave Beatrice, Defeat Virgil; Faith Makes Truth Real And Hope Risks Exile.

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Key Notes

Interpretation of Aristophanes' play in the lecture.

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In Jiang's reading, The Clouds portrays Socratic reasoning as a technique that lets a son justify beating his father and lets debtors deny obligations.

Jiang's reconstruction of Athenian public opinion.

diagnosis

Jiang says The Clouds shows that Athenians viewed Socrates as a fraud, manipulator, and liar who made things out of thin air.

Interpretation of the 399 BCE trial in light of earlier comic reputation.

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Jiang argues that Socrates' 399 BCE charges of impiety and corrupting the youth echo the exact caricature of Socrates in The Clouds.

Timestamped Evidence

The Cave That Makes Socrates A Martyr

2024-10-22, day precision · Civilization #10: The Trial of Socrates and Plato's Allegory of the Cave

Transcript

"...access truth better also from here I can draw inspiration from the clouds who are the true gods okay not Zeus not Heracles the"

The Cave That Makes Socrates A Martyr

2024-10-22, day precision · Civilization #10: The Trial of Socrates and Plato's Allegory of the Cave

Transcript

"clouds are the facts and they're the ones who give me inspiration to come up with all these brilliant ideas okay so the man..."

The Cave That Makes Socrates A Martyr

2024-10-22, day precision · Civilization #10: The Trial of Socrates and Plato's Allegory of the Cave

Transcript

"he's not a god so I swore an oath to nothing therefore I owe you nothing the creditors the credit obviously gets angry and..."

The Cave That Makes Socrates A Martyr

2024-10-22, day precision · Civilization #10: The Trial of Socrates and Plato's Allegory of the Cave

Transcript

"...shows us that Athenians didn't think much of Socrates he worships the clouds right which is nothing so what they're saying is Socrates makes..."

The Cave That Makes Socrates A Martyr

2024-10-22, day precision · Civilization #10: The Trial of Socrates and Plato's Allegory of the Cave

Transcript

"...Athens, including Zeus. Which is what he did in the plague clouds, okay? The second is corrupting the youth of Athens. okay, basically miseducating..."

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