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Greek civilization's greatness comes from an oral public culture constantly probing the mysteries of the human heart through theater, debate, symposia, trials, and recitation.
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Socrates
The Allegory of the Cave and the crucifixion are treated as one story about a truth teller who reveals reality and is killed by people who cannot bear being told they are wrong.
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The Allegory of the Cave and the crucifixion are treated as one story about a truth teller who reveals reality and is killed by people who cannot bear being told they are wrong.
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The Jesus narrative is constructed to conflate Jesus with Socrates and Julius Caesar: a persecuted truth-teller and a betrayed political founder.
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Socrates opposes democracy because democratic practice requires access to truth, access to truth requires reason, and most people are not capable of exercising reason in their thinking.
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Jiang argues that Socrates exposes language as a convention for communication rather than a system that reliably captures reality or truth.
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Athenians are said to have viewed Socrates as an intellectual bully, clown, or trickster because he trapped people in illogical statements.
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In Jiang's summary of The Clouds, the thinkery teaches reason, logic, and truth as tools for manipulating juries and escaping debts.
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Jiang says The Clouds shows that Athenians viewed Socrates as a fraud, manipulator, and liar who made things out of thin air.
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"what the idea tells us is that the real struggle is not for power the real struggle is within our heart the real struggle..."
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"...marketplace where people come together and just debate they talk so socrates was famous for being in the agora the marketplace and just finding..."
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"...what they do for fun guys this is a trial of socrates um so if there's if if you're charged with a crime you..."
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"...it's interesting because it's really Plato's reimagining of the trial of Socrates. For him, his mentor Socrates, who was forced to drink hemlock by..."
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"crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, it's interesting because it is actually a reimagining of Plato's Allegory of the Cave because Jesus was this truth..."
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"...caused his death? You guys remember? Which truth teller? Exactly. Okay? Socrates, right? So this story reminds us of Socrates. Right? The persecution of..."
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"...perspective and one of the most famous opponents of democracy is Socrates. Socrates lived during the time of the golden age of Pericles in..."
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"...flaws in your reasoning and obviously if you get an argument Socrates you come out as a very mad person okay so the reputation..."
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"...Pericles as the leader of Athens he also made fun of Socrates okay and the play was produced in 423 BCE and the play..."
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"named Socrates the thinkery proposes to teach you reason logic truth so that you can go and deceive jurors okay you can basically go..."
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"...up with all these brilliant ideas okay so the man of Socrates has they have a very long conversation and he's completely convinced Socrates..."
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"...play of Greece but it tells you what Athenians thought of Socrates at this time okay um and it shows us that Athenians didn't..."
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