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Peter Turchin

Jiang uses Peter Turchin's elite overproduction to describe the growth of too many elites competing for too little status in an unequal Rome.

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Concept imported into Jiang's 2025 collapse model.

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Elite overproduction is Jiang's Turchin-linked concept for collapse caused by too many elites fighting over limited positions of status and power.

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Jiang uses Peter Turchin's elite overproduction to describe the growth of too many elites competing for too little status in an unequal Rome.

Theoretical framing introduced for class use on 2024-10-08.

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Peter Turchin's elite overproduction is introduced as a theory that argues against the usual Marx-derived model of collapse by bottom-up worker rebellion.

General historical model stated on 2024-10-08.

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Turchin's elite-overproduction model, as Jiang presents it, says the number of rich people only rises over time, so societies collapse unless they choose revolution, civil war, or invasion, each of which creates instability.

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Too Many Rich People, Too Little Power

2024-10-08, day precision · Civilization #6: Elite Overproduction and the Bronze Age Collapse

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"...Okay? But it comes from, a historian, by the name of, Peter Turchin. Peter Turchin. Who's a historian. He's American, but he, came over..."

Too Many Rich People, Too Little Power

2024-10-08, day precision · Civilization #6: Elite Overproduction and the Bronze Age Collapse

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"...rebel. A worker revolution. Okay? That's what Karl Marx, argues. And, Peter Turchin says, okay, that's a really interesting theory, but if you look..."

Too Many Rich People, Too Little Power

2024-10-08, day precision · Civilization #6: Elite Overproduction and the Bronze Age Collapse

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"Those are your three options. But, if you did that, that creates, more instability. So, over time, no matter how, you structure your society,..."

The Nearest War Wins

2026-03-19, day precision · Game Theory #14: The Law of Proximity

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"This is the Peter Turchin idea. And he argues that what leads to the election is the election. What leads to civil war is..."

The Borderland Becomes the Empire

2025-11-20, day precision · Secret History #20: The Hellenistic World

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"...okay and this is idea of elite overproduction so the historian Peter Turchin he looked at the father Roman Republic the French Revolution he..."

Collapse Is Sudden

2025-08-22, day precision · Secret History #2: How Societies Collapse

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"...called elite overproduction. And this was proposed by a historian named Peter Turchin. And Peter Turchin spent decades looking at why societies rise and..."

Collapse Is Sudden

2025-08-22, day precision · Secret History #2: How Societies Collapse

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"Okay? And that's the idea of elite overproduction. And that's what Peter Turchin says. The elite, the children of the elite, are always fighting..."

Kill The God, Take The Empire

2025-04-08, day precision · Civilization #44: The Spanish Conquest of the New World

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"...happen. The first is the idea of elite overproduction, right? The Peter Turchin argument, which is that over time, you have too many nobles,..."

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