Achilles' status injury after Agamemnon's insult. Jiang says Odysseus knows Achilles' refusal is 'really about face,' because Achilles has lost face before the others and wants apology.
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Achilles' status injury after Agamemnon's insult.
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Status recognition before relatives, friends, and colleagues, here achieved through a child's elite-school label.
Odysseus' rhetorical challenge is to solve Achilles' loss of face without requiring Agamemnon to apologize, by creating a new reality Achilles can inhabit.
Agamemnon demands Achilles' prize because Achilles made him lose face, and Agamemnon needs to make Achilles lose face in return to preserve respect among the other generals.
Jiang argues that many parents treat education as a status good: Ivy League names and expensive international schools matter because they provide face before relatives, friends, and colleagues.
Jiang says America loses little materially if China takes Taiwan; the core issue for America is imperial face and hubris.
Jiang says Churchill refused repeated peace efforts from Hitler because Germany's defeat of the British army was a loss of face for the British Empire.
Jiang says U.S. leaders continued Vietnam for credibility and fear of humiliation rather than for a strategic objective.
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"...is doing. He knows that Achilles, for him, it's really about face. Right? He's lost face in front of Achilles. He's lost the others...."
"...response to Achilles. He feels as though Achilles made him lose face. So now he wants to make Achilles lose face as well. Okay?..."
"...make their kid happy. What they really want, of course, is face. Right? They want their kid to go to the Ivy League, and..."
"...schools are more expensive, and most importantly, international schools have white faces. Right? White faces. This is the main marketing tool of international schools,..."
"...that semiconductor industry elsewhere. Okay? For America, it's just one of face. You understand? America doesn't really lose anything if China takes over Taiwan."
"...Germany destroyed the British army, right? It's a complete loss of face for the British Empire. So Churchill was very, very angry at Hitler."
"And Churchill refused to ever negotiate with Hitler. In fact, Hitler sent this emissary called Rudolf Hess to Britain, to Scotland, to negotiate a..."
"...unfortunately, the answer is credibility, okay? We don't want to lose face, guys, okay? We don't want to lose face. If we withdraw"
"...thing is that America's only in this war to avoid losing face. That's it. There was no strategic purpose. There was no strategic objectives..."
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