Achilles' status injury after Agamemnon's insult. Jiang says Odysseus knows Achilles' refusal is 'really about face,' because Achilles has lost face before the others and wants apology.
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Status recognition before relatives, friends, and colleagues, here achieved through a child's elite-school label.
A Confucian prestige logic that intensifies competition for elite status and monopoly-company entry.
Jiang's term for the symbolic recognition and prestige Beijing allegedly values more than immediate military seizure of Taiwan.
Jiang reads Virgil as knowing internally that pagans can reach heaven, even while refusing to admit it openly because face matters to him more than truth.
Odysseus' rhetorical challenge is to solve Achilles' loss of face without requiring Agamemnon to apologize, by creating a new reality Achilles can inhabit.
Agamemnon demands Achilles' prize because Achilles made him lose face, and Agamemnon needs to make Achilles lose face in return to preserve respect among the other generals.
Jiang argues that many parents treat education as a status good: Ivy League names and expensive international schools matter because they provide face before relatives, friends, and colleagues.
Jiang says America loses little materially if China takes Taiwan; the core issue for America is imperial face and hubris.
Jiang says Churchill refused repeated peace efforts from Hitler because Germany's defeat of the British army was a loss of face for the British Empire.
Jiang says U.S. leaders continued Vietnam for credibility and fear of humiliation rather than for a strategic objective.
Teacher prestige in China can block student inquiry because student questions may embarrass the teacher and cause loss of face.
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"...it to dante because he's more he's more concerned about his face than he is about the truth okay doesn't make sense uh yes..."
"...know, because that might embarrass the teacher. The teacher might lose face and the teacher will intentionally, um, lower expectations. He will ask really..."
"...of teachers, I mean, it's very prestigious, but, um, unfortunately, saving face is much more paramount than getting students to think deeply about the..."
"...Korea. And South Korea is very much a Confucian culture where face is everything. So the problem, though, is how do you get into..."
"...is doing. He knows that Achilles, for him, it's really about face. Right? He's lost face in front of Achilles. He's lost the others...."
"...response to Achilles. He feels as though Achilles made him lose face. So now he wants to make Achilles lose face as well. Okay?..."
"...make their kid happy. What they really want, of course, is face. Right? They want their kid to go to the Ivy League, and..."
"...schools are more expensive, and most importantly, international schools have white faces. Right? White faces. This is the main marketing tool of international schools,..."
"...Um, and the third, uh, thing is, um, it's, it's a face issue. I mean, if he seems as though he's going to cower..."
"He's just going to take whatever deal the Americans, uh, take him. He looks like a coward. He looks like a fool. Um, so..."
"So for the Chinese regime, what matters is face. So as long as Trump says, I oppose Taiwan independence, that's what they want. And..."
"...that semiconductor industry elsewhere. Okay? For America, it's just one of face. You understand? America doesn't really lose anything if China takes over Taiwan."
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