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Joab killing Abner without punishment is, for Jiang, evidence that David likely ordered or permitted the killing.
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Abner
Joab killing Abner without punishment is, for Jiang, evidence that David likely ordered or permitted the killing.
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Jiang says the Bible's Abner story contains real elements, such as David feasting with Abner and Joab killing Abner, but its explanation that Joab acted from private anger cannot be true.
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Because Joab controlled the army, Jiang argues David would have had to kill him if Joab truly acted independently against an honored guest; therefore Joab must have killed Abner on David's order.
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Jiang says David feared Abner because Abner betrayed Saul and because David himself had betrayed Saul; David recognized in Abner the same ambition that brought him to power.
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"this okay so job goes and kills abner okay now so if you read the story did nothing wrong okay but if you think..."
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"well okay so this guy needs to be eliminated because he's dangerous okay and it makes sense because remember david betrayed saul so he's..."
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"...to know is that even though Job disobeyed David and killed Abner, Job was never punished, okay? Okay, which tells us that Job was..."
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"comes David gives him a feast and then as Abner leaves he runs into David's general named Joab Joab and Joab and Abner go..."
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"...of or you're most suspicious of who is that person hmm Abner okay yeah he is suspicious of Abner but in general you should..."
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"had to kill Abner because he was ordered to by David right now why would David want Abner to be killed because in his..."
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"...family is still around and saul's family has a general named abner okay but after saul is dead abner feels slighted by the family..."
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"...so job is david's general bringing much spoil with them but abner was not was not with david at hebron for david had dismissed..."
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"...They know what happened with Bathsheba. They know what happened with Abner. They're all gossiping. And that causes problems for the king. Okay? It's..."
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"...about the apology of David, about the Bathsheba story, about the Abner story. And we believe the person who wrote those stories are what..."
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"...a young man comes into the throne. There's a gentleman named Abner okay? Abner who was loyal to Saul but now that Saul is..."
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"...know okay um David uh um you know that Job killed Abner and you were told this story you would believe this story it's..."
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A source-grounded reading of Literary Genesis: Israel begins as a political coalition, David needs legitimacy, and the Bible becomes the technology that turns propaganda into living memory.
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The Bible begins, in this lecture's argument, as political spin for David: a library of collective imagination that turns usurpation, murder, and fear of rivals into legitimacy, identity, and eventually literature.
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