The same speech denounces later French crimes through prophecy, including a Charles who comes with Judas's lance, a ruler who sells his daughter, and the fleur-de-lis making Christ's vicar prisoner at Anagni.
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Betrayal
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Jiang says the million dead are not the decisive moral issue because bodies perish while souls continue; the graver damage is communal betrayal that makes faith, hope, and love harder to live.
Jiang answers that Ulysses is worse than theft because he harms not strangers but his own family and roots, abandoning the people to whom he owes role and care.
Jiang says the frozen lake represents souls immobilized in the exact moment of betrayal and revenge, unable to move beyond that instant.
Jiang says betrayal is punished most severely because the universe is ordered by motion and treachery freezes that living motion in place.
Jiang says Dante accepts that Ugolino himself betrayed Pisa but is morally shaken by the punishment of Ugolino's innocent sons.
Jiang says betrayal of guests violates hospitality so radically that the traitor's soul is sent to the ninth circle before bodily death.
Lucifer's temptation, in Jiang's frame, requires not only erotic or material allure but also a sympathetic backstory in which God appears as the betrayer.
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"Charles came to Italy and for amends made Coradin a victim and then thrusts back Thomas into heaven for amends. I see a time,..."
"The million people die. It's not a big deal. They lose their bodies to come back later on, but there's a thousand people who,..."
"yeah that's your question why well thievery you are hurting those you're hurting you're hurting strangers right but what ulysses is doing you're hurting..."
"you're betraying your own kind and your own roots okay right does that make sense"
"because because your son needs a role model okay your wife needs a husband and your father needs a son and you've just abandoned..."
"...and they're in a frozen lake all the remember is the betrayal and their first for revenge the hatred okay and the punishment is..."
"...have the love the imagination to think beyond this moment of betrayal all they focus on is how to get back at this person..."
"okay so um he thinks that count you i don't just got what he deserved because he did betray pisa and the people the..."
"the sons in prison the sons did nothing wrong first of all why why are the sins sons in prison i believe it's to..."
"so we have met the worst offender okay these are people who betrayed their guests they invite their guests to dinner and now they're..."
"Like, to what extent we can relate with him? Like, can we understand how he got himself there? Or do we just... See him..."
"This is really good. Yes. Sympathy, right? So Lucifer is going to tell us a story of how he was betrayed by God, right?..."
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