The student argues that in Dante the core question is not whether slavery is ethically unjust but whether a social order is oriented toward God, so slavery functions as a fallen condition rather than a sin category that structures the poem.
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Social order
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Jiang says the deepest treacheries are judged by how much they damage love and imagination, the forces that hold the universe and society together.
Jiang contrasts meritocracy with a communal society in which people help one another instead of treating life as total competitive sorting.
Jiang names aristocracy as one concrete alternative to meritocracy: a nobility that stays in charge over time.
Jiang rejects definitional drift and insists the act itself is unchanged, so the real question is why natural law or social order would break down.
Dido's social collapse is total in Jiang's reading: she has lost Aeneas, broken faith with her dead husband, lost public respect, and faces hostile neighboring warlords.
The new kid’s refusal to play along reveals that the cafeteria order rests on belief and compliance, not just raw force.
In Jiang's reading of the Iliad's honor world, losing respect can mean getting killed, so Agamemnon's face-saving display of superiority is not merely vanity but survival logic.
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"...the question isn't is slavery unjust or unethical it's is the social order properly ordained toward God and so slavers people that own slaves..."
"country you're born on but you choose your friends and you invite your guests exactly yes i think i think that's a great idea..."
"is against guests okay great okay yeah so i think everyone's right okay so to summarize it's the idea that um we have responsibility..."
"you'd have less of it right okay and ideally you would live in a society of community right what people are helping each other..."
"possibility is the aristocracy right where you have nobility in charge and they're in charge"
"No, no, no, the definition of homosexuality has not changed, right? It's still sex between two guys. How has that changed? So, yeah, go..."
"But so, so why is there this breakdown of natural law? Why do people not follow natural law? Yeah, go ahead."
"All right, so what he's saying is this. Ditto. If it were up to me, I wouldn't say it would be, I wouldn't say..."
"And now she knows her people don't respect her anymore. And she knows that the neighboring warlords have contempt for her. And they might..."
"have more money because he wants to buy a car, or he wants to go to Paris for the summer. Okay? Does that make..."
"And the new kid is like, I don't care. I'm happy not having any friends. Okay? And so then the bully and his friends..."
"Okay? The first and most important thing is that he's responding to Achilles. Okay? Achilles says, you have to give the girl back. And..."
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