Jiang says the two central Franciscan dilemmas are internal ego-and-fear resistance to true poverty and external social bribery by people who want to share in perceived holiness.
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Holiness
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He says once a poverty order is widely seen as holy, the surrounding world will try to bribe it with money so others can participate in that holiness, and over time the order becomes corrupt like everyone else.
The Holy Roman Empire was holy only as pageantry: pope and king benefited from pretending the church was in charge because the performance conferred legitimacy and unity.
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"...to give you money so that they can share in your holiness and over time that accumulates"
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