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At the spirit level, Penelope is asking whether the war-hero Odysseus will seek adventure and eternal glory again, and Odysseus answers by saying his heart is rooted at home.
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Glory
For Achilles, glory in battle is not one option among many but the only path to eudaimonia, which makes forced inactivity at the ships the worst punishment.
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Achilles represents the heroic choice of fame and early death: he chose to die young at Troy so others would celebrate him.
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The Trojan War is introduced as the event that promises glory and makes mortals into gods, which is why Achilles goes and why Odysseus is tempted despite loving his family.
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Achilles changes the expected course of events by adding glory and divine possibility to Patroclus' mission, exciting his desire to prove himself rather than simply rescue the Greeks.
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Jiang claims Achilles' speech gives Patroclus hubris by implying he can win eternal glory and perhaps surpass Achilles, while omitting the real danger of Hector.
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Achilles' choice of a young heroic death at Troy over old age at home illustrates Jiang's claim that Achilles can flourish only through fighting and glory.
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Jiang says Agamemnon counters Achilles by using memory and experience to recast Achilles as vain, narcissistic, selfish, and motivated by glory rather than sacrifice for others.
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Achilles wants the Greeks to lose badly enough that they beg him to return, so his pursuit of heroic glory is already morally contaminated by resentment.
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"...you know, 20 years ago, you were the one who brought glory in war. How do I know that if we let you back..."
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"for you, and it cannot be moved. And it's something that is the foundation of who I am. So I will never ever leave..."
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"But you, Achilles, there's not a man in the world more blessed than you. There never has been, never will be one. Time was,..."
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"Okay, so this brings us back to the Iliad, right? So remember, in the Iliad, the Iliad is about Achilles, and Achilles tells everyone..."
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"And it happens just in the middle of the plot, okay? In the beginning, Odysseus has been away for 20 years, and he's stuck..."
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"That's why Achilles enters this war, because this is the opportunity for him to prove that he is the greatest warrior in all of..."
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"So, we've known for a long time that we as humans operate at many different levels all at once. And so, we don't really..."
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"...enter the battlefield, Zeus, okay? Zeus is going to give you glory, all right? He's getting Patroclus excited. Patroclus is hoping to win some..."
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"...it tells Patroclus. Patroclus, you have the opportunity to seek eternal glory. You have the opportunity to be better than me. In fact, you're..."
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"...die young in Troy, because only by fighting, only by winning glory, can I achieve eudaimonia. Okay? And that's why he's so unhappy when..."
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"I take a little bit. And now you're stealing that little bit from me as well. Okay? So why is Achilles saying this? Achilles..."
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"...You're a narcissist. You're an asshole. You came here to win glory for yourself. You're just using me as an excuse, as a pretext..."
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