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A major Christian sect Jiang names as insisting on direct connection to God outside church mediation and therefore facing suppression.
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Cathars
A transcript-matched topic anchored by excerpts such as "...a major threat to the Catholic Church, and it's called the Cathars. Okay, the Cathars. The Cathars, the Cathars, okay? And to deal with..."
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A transcript-matched topic anchored by excerpts such as "...a major threat to the Catholic Church, and it's called the Cathars. Okay, the Cathars. The Cathars, the Cathars, okay? And to deal with..."
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Glossary
Divine-spark believers targeted by the Church because they could not be brought back into orthodoxy.
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Jiang says the Dominicans were founded to address the Cathar threat facing the Catholic Church in southern France.
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He characterizes the Cathars as gnostic-like believers in a direct connection to God and in the relative unimportance of the material world compared with spiritual life.
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Jiang says the Cathars were hard to suppress because they were unafraid of death and inspired even ordinary Catholics to protect them and, in extreme cases, to join them in martyrdom.
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Asked about Dante's view of the Cathars, Jiang says Dante probably accepted the official view that they were heretical, but that the poem's deeper concerns were fraternal violence and Church corruption.
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Jiang says poetry is not fully conscious intention but can be a subconscious channeling of the divine, so critics may see historical connections that the poet did not consciously know.
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Jiang says the Cathars and related Christian sects were suppressed because they maintained direct connection to God outside church control, and he links that suppression to the Albigensian Crusade.
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Cathars threaten the Church because they insist the divine spark is within them and cannot be educated out of that knowledge.
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Jiang says the Cathar crusade is not only religious but geopolitical because local lords resent Catholic power and support Cathars.
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"...a major threat to the Catholic Church, and it's called the Cathars. Okay, the Cathars. The Cathars, the Cathars, okay? And to deal with..."
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"And the Cathars are like, fine. I'm happy to burn at the stake, okay? So, the Catholic Church launches these crusades against the Cathars,..."
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"We will become Cathars ourselves. We will die with you, okay? So that's how inspirational they were. So the Catholic Church is like, what..."
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"Okay, so, we will never know what Dante thought of the Cathars, okay? Um, he knows what happened, but he probably believes that they..."
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"Yes, exactly. Okay, yeah. Right. Um, this is a way for him to try to structure the world, um, and also to make sense..."
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"It's also possible that he really didn't know about the Cathars because they were suppressed, okay? We know about the Cathars because of our..."
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"...this and the one major groups of course is called the cathars i'm not sure if you know this history the cathars okay there..."
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"So they're a bank, basically. And then they can use this money to start investing throughout Europe, and so they become a very wealthy..."
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"And these people are called the Cathars. And the church sees them as a threat. And that's why they launch a crusade against these..."
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"Okay, so again, the Catholic Church is, if you disagree with us, it doesn't mean you're a heretic."
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"...first want to educate you in what is right, okay? The Cathars believe that, no, no, the divine spark is in me. I know..."
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"Ultimately, only three women recanted. The 140 who refused were burned at the stake. Some entered the flames voluntarily, not awaiting their executioners."
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Paradise first appears as receptivity rather than rank, then the lecture widens into vows, memory, resurrection, original sin, and Jiang's culminating wager that God created humanity because perfection alone cannot imagine.
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The interview begins with an old historical puzzle and turns it into a present-tense accusation: dead sects do not stay dead when their stories, inversions, and elite habits get embedded in modernity.
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The Protestant Reformation begins as liberation from priest, pope, and ritual.
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