The decisive act of deceit Jiang says grounds Dante's punishment of Ulysses.
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Trojan horse
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Odysseus' cunning trap and the specific memory of victory that becomes the center of his trauma.
The host's phrase for India as a BRICS member that still courts the United States and the West.
Ulysses and Diomedes are punished together because their cunning, especially the Trojan horse, used deception to destroy Troy and redirect history toward Rome.
The stronger version of that argument is that these falsifiers manipulate large social trust, such as money or the destiny of an entire civilization, not just one interpersonal exchange.
Jiang says Dante punishes Ulysses primarily for counseling the Greeks to use the Trojan horse, not for leaving his family or leading his final voyage.
Jiang retells the Trojan horse story as a failed siege overturned by deception, with Sinon as the figure who changes Trojan judgment and lets the trap inside.
Jiang says Sinon's long speech works by poetic sympathy: despite obvious danger, the Trojans let the horse in because his narrative hijacks their judgment.
Aeneas' fall-of-Troy narrative is propaganda designed to make Greek culture itself appear like the real Trojan horse: philosophy, theater, rhetoric, and poetry as deceptive forces that poison Rome from within.
In this Roman lesson, trusting the enemy is foolish because benevolence toward the Greek captive permits the horse to enter Troy and opens the city to slaughter.
The quoted wooden-horse passage presents Troy as doomed once it accepts the horse, with Achaean power hidden inside and death bearing down on the city.
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"...punishment, and there together in their flame they grieve over the horse's fraud that caused a breach, the gait that let Rome's noble seed..."
"...punished is the two came up with the idea of the Trojan horse. This treachery, this deception that allowed the Greeks to destroy the..."
"...it's trust by society, right? Um, what's the other one? The Trojan horse. This is, this is money. This is, you know, you're ending..."
"...uh he sailed away from his family it's because of the trojan horse right so he counseled the greeks uh to devise a trojan..."
"...like, okay, we're kind of stuck. And so Ulysses proposes the Trojan horse. And so they pretend to run away. The Greeks pretend, pretend,..."
"um, you know, about a couple hundred lines, but, but I just want to get you, get you a feel of what's going on...."
"All of it. My King, I'll tell you come what may the whole true story. Greek. I am. I don't deny it. Now that..."
"...elicit sympathy and that convinced the Trojans to let in the Trojan horse, even though the common sense tells them we shouldn't actually take..."
"to go off to the Italian peninsula because the gods have told him that he is fated he is destined to found the Roman..."
"...leave the beaches of Troy and they leave behind a wooden horse. There's a huge debate among the Trojans as to what to do..."
"...you know we can't take a risk let's just destroy this horse throw it into the sea and then what happens is that a..."
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