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Helen and Menelaus are Jiang's negative case of marriage without love: each tells a self-serving Troy story, but neither hears the other's grief or accusation.
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Menelaus
A transcript-matched topic anchored by excerpts such as "...Timarchus visiting Sparta, where Helen of Troy and her husband, King Menelaus, live. We discuss how the two don't actually love each other. We..."
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A transcript-matched topic anchored by excerpts such as "...Timarchus visiting Sparta, where Helen of Troy and her husband, King Menelaus, live. We discuss how the two don't actually love each other. We..."
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"...Timarchus visiting Sparta, where Helen of Troy and her husband, King Menelaus, live. We discuss how the two don't actually love each other. We..."
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"...she tells herself. She doesn't even think about the reaction of Menelaus, who's lost his brother, Agamemnon, and his friend, Achilles, and many other..."
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"So this is not love. They are together because they're stuck together, okay? Now we're going to see a different version, okay? We're going..."
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"...to be a hero, but he gets into a fight with Menelaus. Oh, sorry, not with Menelaus, with Agamemnon. Okay? And again, they say,..."
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"...as a prize. And now her husband, the king of Sparta, Menelaus, and his brother, Agamemnon, the king of kings, are like, we're going..."
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"...stole Helen and therefore the Greeks must avenge the honor of Menelaus, okay? Second is family. Helen should be with her children. Helen should..."
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"...revenge. Another problem is, at this time, Helen is married to Menelaus, who is the king of Sparta, and his brother is Agamemnon, who..."
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"...is the queen of Sparta married to the king of Sparta Menelaus she is"
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"...Paris they fall in love they run off together to Troy Menelaus and his brother Agamemnon they raised an army to rescue Helen or..."
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"...he wants to reunite the family which has been broken. Right? Menelaus and Helen. Just as he wants to return to his wife, Penelope...."
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"...and launch an invasion of Troy, okay? And his brother is Menelaus, who becomes king of Sparta. And they both marry sisters, okay? They..."
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"This is important because, remember, Helen runs away to Troy, and Menelaus tells his brother, Agamemnon, gets upset, and they agree to organize this..."
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