Jiang explicitly calls this complete free will: no one makes the souls do these punishments, because they themselves want the suffering that purifies them before meeting God.
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Self Punishment
A transcript-matched topic anchored by excerpts such as "You, yourself. Excuse me? Yourself. Yourself. You understand the idea here. What this is saying is this. Yes, we have the desire to climb..."
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A transcript-matched topic anchored by excerpts such as "You, yourself. Excuse me? Yourself. Yourself. You understand the idea here. What this is saying is this. Yes, we have the desire to climb..."
Key Notes
A student's proposed solution is that the parent punishes themselves so the child can see that the child's act wounded the parent more deeply and so understand forgiveness through self-suffering.
Jiang’s father-daughter analogy says self-punishment proves love while preventing repetition without choosing between punishment and permissiveness.
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"You, yourself. Excuse me? Yourself. Yourself. You understand the idea here. What this is saying is this. Yes, we have the desire to climb..."
"What do you do? I would... I mean, in the context of Jesus, you punish yourself in a way. So they would see that..."
"By forgiveness we mean, we ask the Lord for forgiveness as it was before Jesus' death. The Holy Spirit, by God's will, he forgives,..."
"So what Eve does is she kills the dog. Okay? And then Eve says to me, hey, do you love me or do you..."
"And second of all, she won't do it again because she doesn't want to see me punished. And that's why Jesus had to kill..."
"...I guess at the end of the day all punishment is self -punishment right it's it's a it's a it's an internal Loop right..."
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