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The ascent can also be read as a dissipation of ego, moving from self-love in pride toward being captured by external things in greed, gluttony, and lust.
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Self Love
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Jiang says Dante's issue with homosexuality is narcissism: in loving the same, one is effectively seeking oneself in the other.
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When asked whether this means same-sex desire is not real love, Jiang answers that loving other men is really a form of loving oneself.
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Jiang says hell does not include narcissism as a standalone sin because Dante is trying to hold onto a version of self-love as good rather than abolish it completely.
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Jiang distinguishes acceptable self-love from self-indulgent same-sex desire, which he says Dante treats as bad because it collapses into indulgence.
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Jiang explicitly rejects the student's proposal that Dante is preaching radical self-love, saying Dante would not preach narcissism.
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Augustine's model makes human pride, self-love, love of others, imagination, and intuition suspect because humans are created from nothing and can fall like Satan.
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"Can we say the ego dissipates as we go up? So, pride, you're loving yourself. And by the end, greed, gluttony, and lust, you're..."
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"The Greek legend of this man, so in love with himself, he looks at himself every single day. Okay. That gives us a clue..."
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"Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Yes. So does he say that it's not real love? No. No. You can't love yourself. Or the other men."
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"No, but, but like what he's saying is like when you love other men, what you're really doing is loving yourself. It's a narcissism,..."
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"...Catholic church is teaching, teaching you that ego is bad self self -love self -love doesn't it's a worse sin with the worst evil,..."
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"...is trying to do. He is trying to tell us that self -love is a good thing, but self -love as expressed with. Okay...."
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"So maybe Dante here is preaching radical self -love because the church tells you to feel guilty for all the sins you have done...."
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"No, no, I don't think Dante would do that. Why not? He would not preach narcissism. I have a hard time believing that."
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"Could anything but pride happen at the start of the evil will? Why did we disobey God? Why did we eat that fruit? Because..."
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"...by two kinds of love. The earthly city was created by self -love, reaching the point of contempt for God. When we love ourselves,..."
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"...not a problem you need a you need a bit of self -love you need a bit of ego if you are if you..."
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