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Achilles and Odysseus are used as the paired paragons of Greek excellence: Achilles as warrior, Odysseus as orator.
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A transcript-matched topic anchored by excerpts such as "...warrior is, of course, Achilles. And the paragon of the great orator, the great speaker, is Odysseus. So, we are reading the Iliad right..."
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"...warrior is, of course, Achilles. And the paragon of the great orator, the great speaker, is Odysseus. So, we are reading the Iliad right..."
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"...in Greek civilization. Achilles, the great warrior, and Odysseus, the great orator. Okay? Eudaimonia means flourishing. And the idea of eudaimonia is that you..."
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"...towards this society that lacks any meaning? It can produce great orators and people with a lot of entertainment value, but not actually"
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"...himself won't apologize. So for Odysseus, because he is the great orator, that is his arete, what he's going to try to do is..."
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"...trotsky organizes the red army and leon trotsky is an incredible orator as well as organizer he is absolutely ruthless he organizes something called..."
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"...others despise you. So Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky were tremendous orators, okay? They were brilliant. The problem, though, is that by making these..."
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"...a name named Cicero. Cicero is considered one of the greatest orators in Roman history. It was very common, it's very common as part..."
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A source-grounded reading of Homer as civilizational engine: the Iliad trains Greeks to fight with speeches, poetry projects movies onto the world, language controls time and space, and the poet becomes the flame through...
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Rome does not hand Octavian power because he is the best general, the most charismatic speaker, or the obvious heir.
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