The student's and Jiang's shared ethical frame for lust: treating a person as an object rather than an individual with dignity.
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objectification
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Marx's idea that production makes individuality visible in an object.
Students argue lust becomes sinful because it can objectify another person and turn them into an instrument for use rather than a human being with dignity.
Jiang summarizes the room's provisional distinction by saying love gives itself to a person's full complexity while lust objectifies, possesses, and seeks control.
Jiang interprets Marx's vase example as material creativity: the object expresses individuality and reflects the maker's existence back to him.
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"not necessarily right yes uh because the last is the original thing or in the same means that it's just not a real thing..."
"...whatever yes because when you lust for someone that is an objectification of that person you objectify them they are no longer an individual..."
"...special connection uh less is physical connection uh less is the objectification of someone um love is the appreciation of someone in that person's..."
"Supposing that we had produced in a human manner, in his production, each of us would have doubly affirmed himself and his fellow men...."
"Okay. So what you're saying here is that before, each of us were craftspeople, so I might make a vase, okay? And when I..."
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