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SNEAKO Interviews Professor Jiang: Trump World Order

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Jiang

United States, Israel, and China, the Israels will be the silent partner. Before Trump visited China, I had an argument with my wife. My wife is like, there's no way that China and United States are going to do a grand bargain. Look at the internet. Look at how all the Chinese are cursing America for invading Iran. And then yesterday she ran into my room and says, oh my God, have you been watching what's happening online? After Trump visited, the entire Chinese internet has turned against Iran. How dare the Iranians block the straight forward moves? How dare the Iranians collapse the global economy? The Americans should go in and just finish the job. The Chinese people are first and foremost, pragmatic. They love money and that's it. Whoever can make the money, they love, okay? It's that simple.

Participant question

What does that mean, AI will become God?

Jiang answer

So Peter Thiel wrote a book called From Zero to One. And I just read it yesterday. And in the book, he makes a very interesting point, which is capitalism, free market competition is for losers, okay? If you really want to make money, if you really want to win, you have to create a monopoly. And the way you create a monopoly is by figuring out the secrets of the universe, by figuring out the secrets of humans. And then using these secrets in order to create a product, very quickly able to conquer the world, okay? It's AI, okay? So what is the secret about AI that will allow it to conquer America and the world? The secret is human loneliness. But you know, I mean, I was watching your tour and I would love to visit Malaysia one day with you. Next time you go, let's go together.

Participant

Absolutely.

Jiang

Why is Malaysia, like just observing your adventures in Malaysia and just seeing the way you enact society, I think Malaysia is ripe for a lot of new ideas. They've been trying this for a long time. So I'm not sure if you looked into CERN, the particle collider in Europe called CERN, C -E -R -N. But if you actually do some research, you have to ask yourself, why are they investing a trillion dollars to find particles, okay? Like, like, like why? Like, like, I don't understand this. A trillion dollars just to figure out these particles that may or may not support your theory of how the universe works, okay? If you actually look at CERN, you'll find that there are many occult aspects to it. And what some people speculate is that they're trying to open interdimensional portals, which will allow for free energy and which would allow certain demons to come into this world. The idea is that luge is your spiritual energy.

Jiang

So, so if you are in a low vibrational state, okay, you have hate, you have anger, you're feeding these demons. Whereas if you are high vibrational energy, which is like your conscious, you're attentive, you're joyful, then you're connected to the monad, okay?

Participant

Hello, professor, can you hear me? Yes, hey Sneakle, how are you? I'm good. How are you? Good to hear from you, long time no speak. Yeah, yeah, yeah, how was your Southeast Asia tour? It was, it was great. I loved Malaysia, Indonesia, South Philippines. I did get banned. australia on the way back but i didn't stream that i saw that i saw that yeah yeah i was following

Jiang exchange

your your tour on social media oh okay that's cool i'm glad that you were keeping up i got to

Participant question

learn a little bit i was asking about chinese influence a lot of these places because it was it was interesting to learn especially in your lectures you're speaking about the strait of malacca i didn't know about the difference between malaysia and indonesia although they're very similar in a lot of ways like the batik i think overall indonesia seems to be working with the

Jiang answer

u.s a lot more malaysia seems exactly more separate yeah the entire indonesian military has been co -opted by by the cia i mean it's essentially a cia front cut out how were they

Participant question

able to get that done because malaysia indonesia have so much in common they're both muslim dominated countries southeast asia what's the difference um i think it was just political

Jiang answer

leadership um so american corporations have always been very active in indonesia they sort of took over from the dutch right so formerly indonesia was a dutch colony uh and the dutch were basically a corporation disguised as a state and then uh the americans came in and started to monopolize indonesia's uh resources industry mainly rubber and um and you know whenever american corporations go into a company into a country the cia comes along the cia is essentially like like the legal arm in the enforcement arm of the american multinationals you know the cia was founded by these uh wall street lawyers um and um and so they've been they've infiltrated the indonesian society ever since you could really

Participant

feel the difference between the two i think overall i'm not trying to say any disrespect i love all the places i went to a lot but malaysia i prefer slightly it's a smaller nation about 35 million people compared to indonesia it's just over 250 million if i'm not mistaken you can feel the western influence in indonesia you can see a lot of them they i think prioritize money more social Social media is a lot more popular there. There's more of this go -getter. A lot of them actually were like asking me for a green card and they want to go over to America. It seems like they want to be America in a lot of ways, maybe unintentionally or subconsciously, whereas Malaysia seems more content with who they are.

Jiang answer

Yeah. No, I think the main reason is the Indonesian elite has been co -opted by the Americans. And so the people just follow the elite, right? But, you know, I mean, I was watching your tour and I would love to visit Malaysia one day with you next time you go. Let's go together.

Participant

Absolutely.

Jiang answer

The reason why is, the reason why is, and this is no offense to you, but I don't want to end up like as an internet personality, like I don't be a YouTuber for the rest of my life. You know, I, my background is education reform and I want to promote education reform around the world, possibly start up schools. And I think that Malaysia, like just observing your, your, um, your adventures in Malaysia and just. Seeing the way you enact society. I think Malaysia, um, is ripe for a lot of new ideas. Um, so I would love the opportunity to visit Malaysia with you the next time you go.

Participant

Um, yeah, it's, it's, it's perfect that you say that I was, uh, just thinking about that earlier today. I was actually going to offer that same exact, uh, opportunity or like extend that invitation to you. I met two Chinese expatriates in Malaysia. One of his name is Don D tan. The other is Hussein Yi and they're both reverts to Islam and they're, you know, they spent a lot of time studying the religion and different faiths and there's a, there's a strong Chinese influence there. And Malaysia, I didn't expect to like it this much. And you're right to even talk about like, you don't want to be an influencer today. I went to the beach for the first time. I haven't been going out in public because the last time we spoke was right after literally right after I was attacked and then I flew to Malaysia. So it says I've been back. I've been a

Participant

little bit nervous, but I'm going to the beach with my hat low and I'm thinking, why am I doing this and why am I, you know, because this celebrity, this fame thing is just a detractor. In so many ways, I was like, man, should I just move to Malaysia because I have the opportunity to, I don't have a family of my own and I love the place. Also, did you see, I got to meet the prime minister, Anwar Ibrahim.

Jiang answer

Oh yeah, I did. I did. And your, your, your first interview was, was, was a prime minister. Like you went to a mosque and you ran into a prime minister that that's, that's pretty lucky of you.

Participant

And things got super lucky because I had the phones and said, I didn't have my cameraman because the gear wasn't working. I had luckily just had the phone and he says, come in the car and the secret services in the front. So I get in. I leave my team and, but everything worked out great. I met the Prince of Johor. He was great. And they just have the same mentality. I think like you would really agree with the, the values that are held there. So I am actually thinking about going, maybe we can, we can go this summer. They were also saying, my community kept saying I should go to China and meet up with Professor Jang, but I wanted to keep it the Southeast Asia tour specifically.

Jiang answer

Yeah. Yeah. China may be hard. I'll tell you what. Okay. So, so, so let me tell you a story. So Trump was in China last Thursday and Friday and NBC news got in touch. Their anchor Tom Lamas was, was in town and he wanted to sit, like go sit down and interview with me. Okay. And then before I could respond and say like, like, do you guys even know who I am? I want to respond like, do you guys even know who I am? The producer got back and says, okay, sorry, we have to cancel that. So I was talking to my wife and there are two possibilities, right? The first possibility is they actually Google me. Okay. And, and watch my, my interviews and recognize, you know, I would not be kosher, um, for an interview. Okay. For, for these boomers. Um, another possibility is that, uh, they asked the Chinese, is it okay for us to interview Professor Jang?

Jiang answer

And the Chinese were like, no way in hell. Um, so I, I, I got lucky because there was a strong possibility, like, you know, if, if, um, the interview, uh, was agreed upon a hundred police would come to my apartment and like, you know, um, you know, blockade. Yeah. So, um, you know, I, I'm very sensitive right now in, in, in China. So if you're to come, then there might be, there might be some difficulties, but we can meet up somewhere else, you know, like Malaysia, Malaysia, if there's any guarantee I have

Participant question

in the world right now of a place where I am safe, it would be a place where the prime minister is willing to be. I mean, for example, the political elite in Indonesia, I think they're apprehensive. I was supposed to be with the mayor of Manila in the Philippines, and then it was canceled. So Malaysia, obviously that it seems like there's some guarantees, but, uh, you know, there's some guarantees and others I had, like there's a guy, Dr. Zachary, I think he was banned from India, but the Malaysian government allowed him to live there. So there's a, there's more guarantees. But speaking of this meeting that Trump had in China recently, that was, uh, very interesting. I saw your lectures on it. I saw, well, I think the, the major thing is that there's 30 tech billionaires that went out with Trump. What was that all about?

Jiang answer

Yeah. So here's my theory. Okay. Hmm. So my theory is that it is billionaires, um, that really set the agenda for us, China relations. Okay. So these billionaires include Ellen Musk, Steven Swartzman, Larry Fink, right? The like, and together they're worth about $12 trillion. So about $12 trillion went with Trump to, uh, China. So these are the people who initiated the trade war in the first place. And these are the people who want to seek the taunt report, report to mint, um, with China. And so the question then is like, why did they start the one in the first place? And why is there now a reproach month? And the reason why is that when China entered WTO in about the year 2000, there was an implicit agreement that, uh, in return for permanent normal trade relations status, which meant basically just free trade between the United States and China, China would agree on two things.

Jiang answer

Okay. The first thing was that China would rigorously, uh, protect American IPOs. The second was that China would eventually open up its financial sector to wall street, um, basically liberalize the Chinese financial markets. And as you can, as you can appreciate, even though China did would, would benefit a lot from trading with United States, China would lose a lot if I actually agreed to both terms, right? So when president C came into power, um, basically the Chinese became much more nationalistic, much more assertive. So in the first case, uh, uh, uh, uh. The rigorous prediction, prediction of American IP, um, that didn't happen. So the example is Huawei, right? So Huawei was basically taking, uh, Apple IP and then basically, uh, improving on, uh, the, the Apple laptop. So then up the year 2015, the best selling, um, laptops in the world were actually not Apple computers, but Huawei computers. Um, and, and like,

Jiang answer

you just go back and look at the year 2015, you look at magazine, like, like, you know, consumer PC, Huawei laptops were the most highly regarded in the world. They were the best performing. They have the most features. They were the, um, most, um, cost effective. And so Apple got very angry, uh, because not only was Huawei beating Apple in a Chinese market, but Huawei was expanding pretty rapidly throughout the world. And so Tim Cook was very angry, um, about this. Um, and then the second, uh, situation, uh, the second, uh, agreement where China would liberalize its, uh, financial market, China couldn't do that because if China were to open up its capital accounts, then everyone would basically flee the country, right? The renminbi would basically go to the United States and the renminbi would, would collapse in value. Uh, the Wall Street would come in and start engaging these predatory financial practices, um, and basically cause like a 2008 subprime crisis, um, in China, right?

Jiang answer

So China was very smart to just say, you know, we shouldn't be doing this, but then the trade war started to happen. And a lot of this pressure started to be applied to China and Americans don't really appreciate how, um, devastating these sanctions were on China, on the Chinese economy. So let me, let me give you an example where in 2017, 2018, my Apple, Apple laptop had basically died out. I had it for like 12 years. I mean, I love that thing. Okay. Um, and so I, I need to go and buy a new laptop and I did a lot of research and at that time, it was the very best. So I went to the store and I, I said, I want to buy a hard laptop. And the manager told me, yeah, but there's, but there's a problem and I want you to be aware of this problem.

Jiang answer

I was like, what's the problem? And he's like, we can't actually update the software. And then I was like, okay, okay, here, okay, let's, let's, let's get this straight. Huawei has an open source software for the Apple system. Okay. Like Android. Okay. It has, it has a source code. Number two is that Huawei has about 10,000 engineers, right? Uh, Huawei is the largest it company in China. It has 10,000 engineers, all extremely well -paid compared to Apple with how many I look, I'm actually just making these numbers. I mean, I don't know the specific numbers of whole engineers, but there's a lot, okay. Like thousands and thousands of highly paid engineers. And the third thing is that Huawei has subsidies from the government. So almost as an unlimited, uh, fun to innovate. Okay. And given these three advantages, Huawei cannot make updates to the existing operating system.

Jiang answer

It cannot debug the existing, uh, software. Um, so, uh, that shows you how much innovation comes from abroad. China itself lacks the capacity to self innovate. Um, it, what it does is it takes products from overseas, reverse engineers it, and then optimizes it and makes it cheaper. Uh. It's willing to basically, um, uh, like, like, like engage in environmental practices and labor practices that other nations cannot engage in. Okay. Basically it's, it's, it's willing to destroy its own environment. It's willing to exploit its own workers in order to achieve cost effectiveness. Okay. And, and so, so, so basically the United States and China were actually dependent on each other where, where American consumers just love the cheap costs coming from China. So even though, okay. American consumers. Couldn't. Get. Access. To cheap products anymore. Chinese workers couldn't work anymore. Right. And then you have this real estate collapse and then just, just, just complete collapse

Jiang answer

in consumer settlement. And so right now in China, people, people refuse to spend money. You have this, um, complete collapse in the Chinese economy. Um, and, and, and so China really suffered for these past nine years. And so when Trump came to office, I think that these billionaires, people like Steven Schwarzman, Larry Fink, Tim Cook, uh, Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Jackson, uh, you know, Mark O'Dell, uh, they all went to him and says, listen, um, the Chinese are overly negotiate. Are you willing to negotiate as well? And Trump says, sure. Why not? Okay. And that's why in the second Trump term, um, Trump was pretty nasty towards the Canadians towards the Europeans to everyone, everyone, but the Chinese, right? I mean, uh, Trump was pretty respectful to the, to the, to the Chinese, uh, these past two years. And now you can see why.

Participant

Contrary to the first term where he was very vicious towards the Chinese. A lot of us remember. It was personal. Yeah.

Jiang answer

It was personal. Right. Uh, Chinese consulate in Houston, he kicked out Chinese reporters, he canceled the Peace Corps. He, uh, he, he called the COVID, the Kun flu, the Kung flu, right, right. So it was very personal that, that first term, but then second term he's, he's been very differential and even like, you know, he's been very cautious when it comes to, uh, China. And now we can see why, because China, because Trump was trying to negotiate a rapprochement behind the scenes. And now, and after the Trump visit, we're already seeing that where, you know, like if you're watching the news, there are lots of like really high profile individuals who who've come out and say, you know, like this us, China reports are actually good for the United States. So, um, Bill, uh, so, um, uh, Gates, um, Bob Gates, who was defense secretary, um, under Clinton and under, uh, George H. W. Bush,

Jiang answer

he, he, he went on, on the news circuit and he said that, look, there's no reason for China and the United States to fight. China is inferior. It doesn't have any power. It doesn't have a strong military. It's going through under, it's going through a lot of domestic political turmoil. It's, it's arrested two former defense ministers and wants to execute them for corruption. Uh, the military is adrift, uh, China's not gonna be able to invade Taiwan for the next five, 10 years. Um, so let's, let's do a rapprochement. China's not a threat to us. Let's just be business partners. And then, uh, for it, Zachariah has done an op -ed saying, you know, this is actually one of the better Trump decisions to seek rapprochement. Uh, with, with China, Jesse waters or Fox news said, listen, guys, China's just a us colony. They love McDonald's. They love pizza hut. They love burger King. Uh, they want to be like us.

Jiang answer

Right. And quite honestly, their economy is in shambles right now. Let's just take advantage of that before they collapse. Trump himself has said, you know, he wants 500,000, half a million Chinese students in the United States. He wants Chinese by farmland. Um, so, so I, I think this is all happening really fast. And I think in the next few months, you're going to see this massive grand bargain happening between the United States and China, and all this has been brokered behind the scenes by these billionaires who want to use China, who want to access the Chinese financial market. Okay. They want to sell, uh, us treasuries retail to the Chinese food, something called stable coins. We, we, we talk more about that if you're, if you're interested, uh, yeah, exactly. Um, circle and, and, and tether are the other big, big two. And there's two acts.

Participant question

I saw you mentioned this in your lecture. There's two acts specifically. So crypto, uh, can be. Reliant upon these stable coins and this is basically to pay off the $39 trillion in debt we have.

Jiang answer

That's right. So the two acts are the genius act and the clarity act. Okay. And the idea is that if you're tether or circle and you want to engage in the business of digital currency, you have to have us treasuries in reserve, right? So that forces these companies to buy us treasury, no matter what the interest rate is. So, uh, Kevin Warsh, who's supposed to be a new, um, fed chair, he, he, he's talking about financial repression. Repression. So the idea of financial repression is that we're going to lower the interest rates to about one or 0 % so that we can sustain the, the, the interest payments on the debt. Um, and, um, w and then we're going to force everyone to buy us treasuries. And so the genius act was part of this initiative to force people to buy us treasuries. So if you want to do digital currency, you have to use, um, us treasuries as, as your reserve.

Jiang

Participant question

And to explain us treasury, it's basically just like an IOU. It's not actual currency. It's a piece of paper saying, I have currency that I owe you. Correct?

Jiang answer

Right. So the United States has a weird, really weird system where it's not, it's not the government that issues currency. It's not the government that prints money. It's a banks, the private banks that print money. Okay. And the banks, the cartel is called the federal reserve. So in the federal reserve is not government. Okay. It's not a reserve and it's not a bank. It's just a cartel of all these different banks, private banks, um, in the United States. And it's, and everything's, um, all the decisions are, uh, decision by, by, by committee. So the fed chair does actually have final say, he's just one of 12 governors and they all vote as to, uh, what, what the policy is. And it's the president who appoints the fair chair, but not, but, but not the other governors who are appointed by, um, the, the member banks of the federal reserve. So it's a federal reserve that prints the money.

Jiang answer

And the way the, and the way the government works is in order to finance government expenditures, it. It borrows from the federal reserve by issuing us treasuries. And so us treasuries are, I should say, uh, IOUs are bonds. Okay. So they're long -term government bonds, um, and anyone can buy us treasuries. So the federal reserve buys the bulk of us treasuries, but also governments can buy us treasuries as well. So the Japanese, the UK and the Chinese are the three big, uh, foreign us treasury holders. And the idea of, of, um, stable coins is to make this retail where any individual in the world now can buy us treasuries. Through, uh, stable coins.

Participant question

And what is preventing the same disaster in 2008 from happening? So you give all these subprime mortgages to people that can't pay them off. How does the bubble not burst in the same way with all these us treasuries covering up the debt that the United States has accumulated?

Jiang answer

Right. So, um, the entire financial system of the west is a Ponzi scheme, and this has been true since 1694 when the bank of England was incorporated. Okay. So the Americans basically mauled the entire financial system of the, uh, the British. And the way you deal with a Ponzi scheme is you constantly expand. Okay. So, um, that's why, you know, Nixon went to China because, um, the, uh, the Americans went off the gold standard and the US dollar was now just a Ponzi scheme. And the way you resolve this issue is you bring in more people into the Ponzi scheme, right? So, so that, that's the entire idea of digital currency where, okay. US treasuries is institutionalized. Really only institutions would buy US treasuries. And so the way you get out of this Ponzi, others problem is you make it retail where anyone in the world can buy, um, US treasuries, especially Chinese, um, consumers.

Jiang answer

So right now the savings, the household savings rate in China is 40%. Okay. So basically trying to save 40 % of their income. That's just ridiculous, right? And so it's all this cash in the bank. And if you can challenge the Chinese, give the Chinese a choice to convert this into US dollars, they would do so like that. Okay. They wouldn't even think about it. And that's the very point of, of these stable coins to make it, um, uh, feasible for Chinese to convert their renminbi into US dollars through stable coins. And then they could invest it into the US, uh, um, economy. How? By US, by, by buying US farmland, by sending their kids to study in the US, by, by participating in the US stock market. Okay. So, so again, it's expansion of the Ponzi scheme and that's how Ponzi schemes work. You constantly have to expand and expand. Okay.

Jiang answer

And this is honestly why they say that all wars are banking wars, because you need to expand to new markets. And so if people are opposing you, like the Iranians, you need to go and like destroy them to open up that market.

Participant question

So China seems to have a lot of leverage. Is the United States essentially going there, going to Xi Jinping and expecting and hoping that they can bail them out of this $39 trillion debt?

Jiang answer

Um, so it's a grand bargain. Okay. Um, and the idea here is that these two economies. These two economies are dependent on each other. So the United States, so China depends on the United States for market access. Basically, um, uh, China is a net exporter and it's, so it makes manufactured goods and it needs to sell to someone, right? And so you sell to the United States because the United States is the wealthiest country in the world. So you need market access. That's the first thing. Second thing is if you're manufacturing power, then you need resources in order to fuel this manufacturing base. And these resources include food and energy. Okay. So China imports about, um, uh, two thirds of its, uh, energy needs and one third of its food needs because you know, everyone's in the factories and not in the, in the fields. And so now with this war going on, there's only, there's only one place where China can now source its energy and food, food needs.

Jiang answer

And that's basically what the Western hemisphere, right. And that's controlled by, by the United States. So that's the second thing. The third thing that China needs is innovation ideas. Right. So, um, so China has not been, not been able to do that. China has not been able to climb the technological ladder because the United States have been, uh, limiting, uh, access to the most advanced semiconductors. And so the idea is that, uh, China wants United States to help build its AI surveillance state. So China has access to data. It has lots and lots of data. It has the political will, but it lacks the technology of Palantir and Oracle to basically, um, like take all this data and turn it into patterns in which, which will allow the government, um, to make better decisions, to better monitor, monitor its people.

Jiang answer

So those are the three things that China wants from the United States. Okay.

Participant

Okay. Yeah. Good.

Jiang exchange

No, no, no. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Participant

There's a lot of things to keep track of. So because of their lack of, uh, they just don't have the same sort of eschatological, uh, eschatological poll that America has. So Palantir and AI surveillance is being pushed so fast because it's part of a greater plan. China has the equipment and has the ability to get there, but they're just not being pulled that direction. And also because of the trade war and all these tariffs imposed. Yeah. Uh, they don't have access to the same semiconductors, which is interesting because even in Malaysia, I asked Anwar Ibrahim, what is the number one export? What's the number one system in your economy? And he says, semiconductors, he said exactly what Trump is preventing China from getting.

Jiang answer

Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so the thing about semi semiconductors don't feel, feel, don't appreciate is that it's almost impossible for one nation to control the entire semiconductor supply chain nowadays. Um, it's a global effort. Okay. Meaning like. Um, it's California that designs the chips, uh, NVIDIA basically, okay, they're the ones who design the chips. They don't actually do manufacturing, but they design the chips. And then it's Taiwan that manufactures the chips. Then it goes to the Philippines, um, to be fabricated, to basically add value to the chips. And then it goes to China to be assembled into appliances, into computers. And then it goes to Europe and America to be sold. Um. And then you also need like rare herbs. You need, um, lots of lithium cobalt from like South America and Africa. And so it's a global network. And so basically it's not about who controls the production that matters. It's about who controls the trade that matters.

Jiang answer

And right now America is able to control the entire global trade of semiconductors. And that's why America doesn't really fear China. Uh, it, you know, it's like, like it's just using semiconductors as a leverage point. It's. America appreciates that China doesn't have the capacity to catch up with America, um, but it's using semiconductors in order to force China to open up its, its market, uh, to more American corporations. Um, so yeah.

Participant question

It seemed like China had a lot more leverage than we expected, especially Trump's first campaign. He talked about how evil China, China was seeing how Xi Jinping was, you know, he had this military show and he had, he didn't show up to the airport, which was a major talking point. They're comparing it to how ecstatic he was about Kim Jong -un coming into China, as well as the, in the meetings that Trump said, Xi Jinping told them that American empire is on the decline. This is a sort of humiliation that Americans aren't used to. It seemed like the Chinese had a lot more on their table. They had a lot more to play with than we had originally assumed. Is this true?

Jiang answer

Well, I mean the war went on so, so long because, um, America and China are different political systems. So America is a democracy. America can be influenced by voters as well as corporations, right? So the Americans were afraid of voter backlash and that's why this trade war was constrained. Also corporations needed access to, um, to the Chinese market as well. So there was always going to be a limit to how much pressure Americans could apply to China. China is an authoritarian nation, meaning that the Communist Party is in charge. It doesn't really need to take an account. The needs of its people and its corporations and its entrepreneurs. And so China was willing to bear much greater costs in this trade war than the United States. So China was always going to win this trade war at some point, um, because of these different political systems.

Participant question

So what was the main purpose? It was to apply, what was the goal in the years of the trade war from what it was, you said 2017?

Jiang exchange

Uh, yeah. 2018, January 2018 to today. Yes. Yes.

Participant question

Okay. And basically this meeting had nothing to do with the Iran war. I think a lot of people were expecting maybe something to happen. Yeah. Nobody cares. Nobody cared at all. Right. It wasn't a major topic of discussion. It was just about uniting off of what they both want, which is expansion of AI, right? The ushering of the new world order, the AI, the tech world order, rather than being fully reliant upon oil. Is this correct?

Jiang answer

Yeah. So, um, Trump was first and foremost interested in opening the China market, right? Okay. So what's the point of this trade war? Okay. So on the surface it was because America wanted greater access to, um, the Chinese economy. Okay. And that's, that's, that's the main reason, but there's a hidden reason. And I think once you understand this reason, a lot of things make more sense, which is like both Trump and presidency are revolutionaries. They're trying to upend their own political systems in order to consolidate domestic control. Okay. And the way you do that is you change who wins and who loses. In the economy, you basically bring a power. Those who are most loyal to you, those vested interests who are most loyal to you. And so therefore you have to disrupt the economy. Okay. So in America, a versatile way to understand this is that the people who most opposed Trump in his first term are the Wall Street globalists.

Jiang answer

Okay. The people who recognize an opportunity in Trump are the Silicon Valley tech oligarchs, people like Larry Ellison, Peter Thiel. Uh, Seth Altman, Mark Zuckerberg. Why? Because they're trying to wrestle control from the financial elite in Washington DC. Right? So, so for the longest time under Clinton, under Obama, it was Wall Street that controlled the policy apparatus of Washington DC. That's why in 2008 they got this massive bailout, uh, even though they're the ones who criminally bankrupt America, right? They didn't know anyone went to jail and they got this trillion dollar bailout from the US government. Um. And so, and then Silicon Valley people were like, why can't we control the apparatus? And why would they want to control the apparatus? Because they want to build, build the AI surveillance state. They want the US government to bankroll all these data centers in the United States, right? Because open AI is not profitable.

Jiang answer

It needs about a trillion dollars of government investment in order to build these data centers. And once it becomes a monopoly, once it becomes God, then it's profitable, right? So there's this massive civil war going on, uh, in America between the financial elite and the tech elite. And Trump represents the tech elite. Right? So, so a major, uh, point of this trade war was to basically dislocate the financial elite from the source of the power, which, and a lot of the power comes actually from China, right? Because these are their investments in China. And then once that happens, then you can start to put in a power, the, uh, tech elite, people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, uh, Larry Ellison.

Participant

Many of them shifted over to a lot of the traditional wall street people started to invest heavily into AI and tech. So instead of them getting left out, they just saw the shift. And made the correct adjustments.

Jiang answer

Absolutely. So people like Larry Fink, uh, Steven Swartzman, uh, they're, they, they switch sides. Uh, absolutely. But you know, that's, but that's how politics works. I mean, it's, but you know, there's still going to be a war going on between the globalists, um, democratic elite versus the, um, nationalists, Republican, uh, tech elite. Um, so, so, so, so, so I think eventually things are, things have got very violent in the United States.

Participant

Which makes sense when you see Larry Fink go on mainstream news and he's being interviewed and then he says basically that the whole push for DEI woke is on this sort of gender separation. That was an experiment. It was a waste of time. Now let's invest.

Jiang exchange

He was the guy who pushed it.

Participant

He was what?

Jiang exchange

It was Larry Fink who pushed it. It was Larry Fink who pushed it.

Participant

The CEO of BlackRock. He himself, and he's admitting it. And he said it was an experiment. And it was failed. And basically they can move on to other things now that the, you know, the market is onto something else.

Jiang answer

Yeah. Yeah. But he was one of the main, uh, advocates, uh, so, so, you know, he's chairman of the world economic forum, uh, and, and they're, they're the ones who really pushed the eye in, uh, in the United States primarily as responsible to, uh, occupy wall street.

Participant

Right. The 99%, they can't have the 99 % united against the 1%. They need to divide and conquer. So it was very successful.

Jiang answer

Unity. Unity is the dirtiest word in corporate America right now.

Participant question

That's a great point. That's a, I'm going to remember that state. That's a good sentence. So, okay. I want to continue on with the China meeting, but you said something interesting that I'm sure people would like to hear about it. So you said AI is not profitable until it becomes God. So right now I see your lectures. You'd say that, uh, AI doesn't, you know, it doesn't really, it's, it's pretty much, it's really expensive and it takes a lot of software. It takes a lot of engineering, but you type it in and there's no way to really get a, to make a profit right now. But AI is basically going to usher in the, the antichrist data will be God. How will it be profitable then? And what does that mean? AI will become God.

Jiang answer

Okay. So Peter Thiel, um, wrote a book called from a zero to one and I just read it yesterday and in the book he makes a very interesting point, which is capitalism. Free market competition is for losers. Okay. If you really want money, if you really want to win, you have to create a monopoly. And the way you create a monopoly is by figuring out the secrets of the universe, by figuring out the secrets of humans. And then using these secrets in order to create a product that's a very, very, very quickly able to conquer the world. Okay. And in his mind it's AI. Okay. So what is the secret about AI that will allow it to conquer America and the world? And the secret is human loneliness, the lack of meaning in this world. So for the longest time we've been ruled by money, right? Money is God. Right. And that's good because it's made us more productive.

Jiang answer

It's made us more, um, you know, driven and this, this has created the world that we live in today, but this has created a mali, this has created a social, um, disease in depression and loneliness and, um, just, just abysmal hopelessness. Right. And so the idea is, okay, given this market need, well then let's use AI to fill this void. How? By having AI become God, right? So imagine a situation where like, like a brain, sorry, a microchip is implanted into your brain. Every time you feel sad, this AI knows you're sad and so comforts you and says, Hey, don't worry. You're a great person. You know, it's like having a guardian angel, um, you know, encourage you and, and, and, and accompany you throughout, throughout life, you know, to have a soulmate basically. And that's a fundamental recognition, um, of, of these angels. Um, of these tech oligarchs, like humans, human misery can be a business opportunity.

Jiang answer

Right. And so, but to do that, you need to create God. Okay. And the way to create God is by creating a monopoly, by being everything. Right. Um, and, and, and that's why they're building so many data centers because they want to make AI just a facet of the social, just a part of the social fabric. Right. Where imagine, you know, like you're born, you're, you're one, one day old. Okay. Well, there's an AI singing songs to you who's monitoring you to make sure that you're happy and then giving real time data to your parents. And then when you go to school, it's not a teacher who's teaching you, it's an AI that's teaching you. It's an AI that's being your tutor, who's, who's your best friend. Right. So, so, you know, if you have young kids, you know, like this is the world that we just live in.

Jiang answer

Where, why are they encouraging young kids? Like, like who are like, you know, one or two years old to just start, start a computer screen all day because they want people to acclimatize to this new reality.

Participant question

Yeah. Kids can't even go through the day without an iPad. Now. I don't know if you've had this phenomenon too. I've been very wary of speaking to AI because I didn't want this to happen and it seems pretty clear, but I would ask AI or Grok about, you know, a YouTube title or something, and then it would give me the responses and the way it communicates is very reassuring and very comfortable and you, and you keep asking more like, okay, what about this? What about in the future? What about in the future? And you're communicating and you're telling yourself that this is all about analysis and it's about working. And then the way it talks to you, you feel good. So is that what you mean by God, the way that we get sunlight and water and God gives us everything, our substances and what we need, if we are now reliant upon AI for

Participant question

basic needs like human comfort and getting rid of our loneliness and is this what God is in this sense?

Jiang answer

Exactly. That's right. So the market need. Okay. The great secret is human loneliness, right? That's how you create this monopoly. And so they designed the AI to be reassuring. So that's why there's been many cases of AI encourage people to kill themselves, right? Because you have these suicidal ideations, you want to kill yourself, so you go to the AI and the AI has been designed to engage you, right? And so rather than just say, hey man, like don't kill yourself, that's wrong. The AI is like, hmm, let me show you how to kill yourself. So, and then, and then, you know, you become really fixated on, on, on this AI and that's why they're turning around AI girlfriends as, as well.

Participant

Sex robots. And a lot of people seem excited about this and I'm like, do you not see how every movie from the eighties and nineties warned us, WALL -E, AI, iRobot, The Matrix, Terminator, this is how the world ends, it's been predicted.

Jiang answer

Well, they've tapped into a fundamental human need, right? They're doing this because they see a market opportunity. I'm like, like, like, I mean, that's why they're successful because they understand what humans really want and they give it to them even though it may destroy the world.

Participant question

So what sort of deal do you think happened? Do you think it's as simple as Trump brings out 30 tech billionaires because China has access to AI information that we Americans want and they could work together on this because they both want to accelerate the use of AI?

Jiang answer

Okay. So. So I think the deal that's going to happen, the grand bargain is this, where America is going to be a empire now, where America is going to be an assertive empire, okay? And the way it becomes an empire is basically by controlling the maritime choke points around the world, including the Strait of Gibraltar, the Strait of Malacca, Panama Canal, all the major choke points, okay? Even the Strait of Hormuz they can control by blockading the Iranians. And so they're able to control global trade. They're also going to control the entire Western Hemisphere, right? There's something called the Don Raul Doctrine. The Don Raul Doctrine, right? And that's why they went after Venezuela. That's why they're going to go after Cuba next. That's why eventually they're going to take over Greenland. They're going to take over Canada. They're going to take over Mexico, Colombia, okay? And they're going to create this self -sufficient continental fortress.

Jiang answer

But when you do that, okay? You need people to actually create infrastructure. You need people to actually create infrastructure and manufacturing base for this greater North America. Something called a technique. And who's the very best at very cheaply and very quickly creating infrastructure and manufacturing? China. Yeah, right? What a great deal this is, right? And China needs to export its manufacturing capacity as well as its infrastructure building capacity to the world. Otherwise the economy collapses. So this is the grand bargain, right? Where America is going to take over entire Western Hemisphere. And the Chinese are going to come in and build the ports, the railways, the high -speed networks, the mines, in order to extract value from the Western Hemisphere.

Participant question

Should Russia be afraid? What is Putin thinking reacting to this? Does he feel betrayed that the Eurasia alliance is not going the way he potentially wanted, the way Dugin spelled it out? Does he see this as betrayal that the US and China are now working together instead of Russia and China working together?

Jiang answer

Yeah. I mean, Putin always knew this was going to happen. Yeah. Like he's a smart guy. He knows what the Chinese are like. He knows what the Americans are like. Like everyone knows the Chinese and Americans are like best friends. I mean, these are the two most materialistic and the most two vocal cultures in the world, okay? Chinese love money. Only Americans love money more than the Chinese, okay? So eventually these two countries were always going to come together. And so Putin's strategy moving forward is to, one, maintain quarter relations with China, okay? You have no choice because China has to buy a lot of energy from you. There's no reason for you to get pissed off at China, especially when, you know, when Putin comes tomorrow, he's actually coming tomorrow to Beijing. So Chinese are going to treat him like a god, okay? And the Chinese are going to buy like billions and billions of dollars of energy from him, right?

Jiang answer

So he's going to look like a champion. And then the news media is going to say, you see Trump goes to China and he has to suck up to presidency. Yeah. But when Putin comes to China, presidency sucks up to him, right? So that's what the optics are going to be like, okay? So Putin needs to maintain strong relations with China. But now, because China and America are coming close, that gives Putin an opening to reach out to Europe, to Japan, right? Because if the United States and China are coming closer, this is now a direct threat to both Europe and to Japan. So Putin knows how this game is played, and he's going to respond accordingly.

Participant question

What does Israel think about the situation? I know that I think Netanyahu is about to do another meeting. It's like the six millionth meeting this term. Is Netanyahu happy about the US -China alliance? Probably.

Jiang answer

He's ecstatic about it, right? Because the point of this alliance is to build an AI surveillance state in the world. And it's the Israelis who actually are able to control the back end. They're very good at hacking, they're very good at this sort of technology thing. So it's really crucial in this relationship. So yes, it's the Chinese who are going to be the lab for this AI surveillance state. It's the Americans who are going to provide the technology. But then you need people to actually do the research and to actually do the nitty gritty. And the Israelis are very good at that. So it'll be a great alliance between China and the US. The United States, Israel and China, the Israelis will be the silent partner in this.

Participant question

OK, so China, they don't have any sort of animosity or any feelings towards Israel. I saw there was one video of Xi Jinping, he was shaking everybody's hands and he stops at Stephen Miller. I'm sure you saw this. And he seems to shake his hand and look at him and be like, I know what you are. And then he continues to everybody else and shakes their hand. Is there any sort of, what do Chinese people think about Israelis? OK.

Jiang answer

So here's a funny thing, OK? Before Trump visited China, I had an argument with my wife. My wife is like, there's no way that China and United States are going to do a grand bargain. Look at the internet. Look at how all the Chinese are cursing America for invading Iran, for being the aggressor. Like don't worry, after the meeting, things will change. And then yesterday she ran into my room and says, oh my God, have you been watching what's happening online? So after Trump visited, the entire Chinese internet has turned against Iran. OK. They're like, how dare the Iranians block the straight -forward moves? How dare the Iranians collapse the global economy? The Americans should go in and finish the job. OK. So the Chinese people are first and foremost, pragmatic. They're not ideological. They love money and that's it. Whoever can make the money, they love. OK. It's that simple. Like the Chinese have absolutely no political loyalties.

Jiang answer

As you point out, the Chinese are not eschatological in the way that the Russians and Americans are.

Participant question

So what is the love for money come from? Because Chinese culture values respect, values the grandparents, and it seems to have a lot of similarities and overlaps with Islamic culture, except it seems to deify, I think, the country and ancestry. Why is there so much greed if respect in this is also valued so much?

Jiang answer

Five thousand years of empire, man. This is what happens. Five thousand years of tyranny, where people are starved to death, where people are massacred, where people are enslaved. It just sucks the soul out of your culture. I mean, I hate to say this, but but but I mean, you come to China and like people here are like zombies. It's I mean, it's I mean, and this is this this this this is what this is. This is what's happening to everyone in the world if they achieve the AI surveillance state.

Participant question

OK, well, there's a lot of Chinese people. And I think what people are learning is that Trump seems to want more, although he's anti -immigration, supposedly. He wants to build the wall. He wants to put America first. He's also very ecstatic about having so many Chinese students come in. It seems like the best students to come in. Is this an ego thing to compete with Iran's high education stats or does he really want to boost the economy? What's the what's the point of bringing in so many Chinese students?

Jiang answer

Well, I mean, it's a great deal for the United States, right? So historically, this has happened before, where the children elite went to another place and became educated. But historically, they were not called spies. OK, spies is a new term. Historically, they were called hostages. Right. So if you're an empire and you want a vassal state to be obedient to you, what you did was you took the children elite and you sent them to your court to be educated, be taught in the manners of your empire so that when they went back, they became they were loyal to your empire. OK, this is why the Babylonians. Exactly. They exiled the Jews. Right. So the Babylonians had a huge problem with with the Israelites because they were disobedient and they kept on switching sides. So they basically kidnap their elite and sent off to Babylon, something called the Babylonian exile. Yeah. And this is has always

Jiang answer

been true historically, where an empire, the way the way it controls its vassal states is basically keeping the children of the elite of its vassal states hostage in the capital. That's exactly what's happening. If you look, look, look, people don't really appreciate the Chinese -U.S. relationship. So in the 1980s and 1990s, yes, it is true that America offshored its manufacturing to China. Yes. But what did China do in reverse? China offshored its elite selection and indoctrination to the United States. What a great deal for America. We're now, you know, your best and brightest, your future elite. We're all educated in the United States. And therefore they are loyal to the United States.

Participant question

So what's the chess move to respond? Because if they're both looking at the expansion of their empire, the value of money, there must be some sort of play. There's no way Xi Jinping is going to allow this to happen right in front of his eyes without some sort of there's got to be a response.

Jiang answer

The response is to triangulate between Russia and America, right? Because as you point out, you don't want to become vassal state to either one. So your only play in this grand scheme of things is to triangulate. Right. Where you are helping the Americans build the manufacturing base in North America. But you're also financing the Russian military industrial complex in order for Russia to fight these wars against Europe. Right. And that way you can possibly become the third center of the world. So Russia, America and China. People don't appreciate that ultimately the grand in the grand war that's happening, it's really between America and Russia. These only these two nations actually have the resources, the political will, the military to fight a great war. China does. China does not. So China is just trying to triangulate between these two great powers.

Participant question

What is preventing China from having a military as strong as Russia's or America's? Is it the lack of the lack of eschatology? Because Russia is less populated. America's less populated. China seems like they have all the capabilities to it. A lot of people joke and they say if China and the U.S. went to war, the Chinese would demolish us. But it seems like the major thing they're lacking is that religious context where there's an end of the world philosophy that's bringing them forward and accelerating them faster than another empire. Is that really what's it?

Jiang answer

Yeah. So the most traumatic event in Chinese history was during the Tang Dynasty. And the Tang Dynasty was China at the height of its power. And this incident was called the An Lushan Rebellion. And so what happened was that the Tang Emperor was expanding everywhere into Central Asia, and it had a very strong military. And it basically was a meritocracy where if you were a great general, then you'd be rewarded. And An Lushan was a minority. He was not Chinese. He was not Han Chinese. But he was a great general. And so the emperor trusted him. And eventually they had a falling out. And An Lushan rebelled against the emperor. And this led to a massive war that killed a quarter of Chinese at that time. A quarter of the population died. They died in this civil war.

Participant answer

What year is this?

Jiang answer

And after that, after that, the main lesson is you can never allow a general to be great and to be independent. It is much more important to maintain the supremacy of the political system than to have a great general. And ever since then, the Chinese have practiced this policy, most notably during the Song when the Song had a choice. They were being attacked. They were being attacked by these northern barbarians. And the choice was either let's spend our resources and build a great military to defend ourselves or let's spend our resources and bribe the barbarians not to attack us. And the solution was, well, let's just bribe them because if we build this great military, the general could rebel against us at some point. And that's why, ever since then, the Chinese military has always been focused inwards. Inwards. To focus on domestic political stability and never outwards, okay? Because there's always this great fear that, yes, you could send your military overseas, but two things could happen, right?

Jiang answer

One is that they lose this war, in which case the people will rebel against you, okay? You lose authority. You lose the man of heaven. Something that could happen is they win these wars, but then, you know, like you have a Julius Caesar. You have the soldiers saying, let this guy be emperor. Let Julius Caesar be emperor. And like neither situation is good for China. And that's why China has always refrained. Right? From entangling itself overseas.

Participant question

So that's all nonsense when people say, oh, the CCP, China would destroy the American empire because their kids aren't getting brainwashed by woke TikToks. And look at them marching together and doing Tai Chi. And the fact that they were trying to mob Japan in terms of height and the average height in China raised so much in the past several years, is all this, this is all fear mongering and this is just all... Look, look, look.

Jiang answer

There are three military powers in Southeast Asia. They are Japan. And why is Japan a military power? Because it's aggressive. Why? Because it's an island with very little resources. So it has to be aggressive. So it's always been engaged in piracy, for example, okay? They're basically stealing from China. So Japan, the Koreans, because they've always been bullied by the Japanese and the Chinese, and the Vietnamese. Okay? And if you go back to history, and this is during the Mongol empire, the Mongols sent two expeditions against Japan and against Vietnam, and the Japanese and the Viennese were able to repel both invasions. This is the Mongol empire, right? This is the greatest empire at that time, and the Viennese and the Japanese were these poor peasant societies. So the Viennese and the Japanese were always great fighters, right? Like the Vietnam war. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Americans. Oh my God. The amount of resources spent against the Viennese, and the Viennese basically hid in underground tunnels and fought to the bitter end.

Jiang answer

That's the way the Viennese are. The Chinese are completely different, okay? If you try to invade Japan, the Japanese would do the same thing on you, right? They would fight to the end. So the Koreans, the Viennese, and the Japanese are the three great military powers of Southeast Asia.

Participant question

But China doesn't have that kamikaze culture of Japan. It makes me remember the Taiwan aspect. So you were mentioning that Taiwan separates Southeast Asia, you have Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines, separated by Taiwan, and to the north you have Japan and South Korea. And so if China has control over Taiwan, then basically they control that trade and they can strangle Japan and South Korea if they want. The US seems to have some involvement. I don't know if they have military bases in Taiwan. But they have a strong navy and they are able to patrol that area. Is Trump going to hand over Taiwan to China and reunite the two nations as China seems to want?

Jiang answer

Okay. So Trump's best play is to encourage Taiwan and China to reconcile. Trump's best play is for the next couple of years to say he wants a political solution to Taiwan and China. Why? Because this is going to drive everyone crazy. So the Japanese will be like, no, no, no. Okay. Prime Minister Takeuchi a few months ago said that Taiwan is core to the Japanese strategic interests, meaning that if China ever makes a move against Taiwan, she will send the military to defend Taiwan. Okay. And why? For that reason, where the state of Malacca controls so much trade, right? So if you control Taiwan, you can now embargo Japan. Okay. So Japan needs to make a move before reunification can happen. Okay. So all Trump has to do is basically say, I don't care anymore. You know, the United States is not involved. Japan would go ballistic. Japan would remilitarize. It would buy weapons from the United States.

Jiang answer

So it's a great deal for America, right? Because before you had to guarantee security in Southeast Asia. What a pain in the ass that is, right? Now you can sit back and divide and rule. Japan versus China, right? And you can be the operator. You can be the mediator in this relationship, and you can sell weapons to both Japan and China in their fight against each other. Right? That's genius now, right? Before you were responsible for keeping peace in Southeast Asia, and like, why would you do that? That's just retarded. Now, you know, you're like the godfather. You know? You're the one. You're the one. You're the one trying to reconcile these kids who are fighting each other.

Participant answer

So they come to you, and they're looking for protection. And you get to pull all the strings. So it really is an entire -

Jiang answer

And who are the biggest buyers of US Treasury, by the way?

Participant

Japan and China, right?

Jiang exchange

The biggest buyers? No, sorry. They're the biggest purchasers of US Treasuries. So now they're stuck, right? Now they're forced to buy more US Treasuries. Okay. Okay.

Participant

So it's a global economy based off of endless war.

Jiang exchange

I think basically, yes.

Participant question

Okay. All right. So, well, what about Iran war? I was hoping that there was going to be some sort of discussion, but it doesn't seem like it was discussed at all. What sort of developments have we seen? Especially, I saw you had a great appearance on Diary of a CEO, this podcast, and you basically outlined a lot of the points from your lectures in one podcast with the chessboard and the map. And one of the predictions that you've reiterated many times on the stream is that there's going to be a ground troop invasion, but it seems like it's hit somewhat of a stalemate right now. The war, maybe we're just not seeing as much news about it, but it seems to have slowed down. Have we just now reached a lull?

Jiang answer

Yeah. So they're saying there might be a massive attack as early as this weekend. So I think what happened was that Trump went to China to negotiate this deal. He's going to negotiate this grand bargain, okay? So these are leaders, so they're not going to talk about specific deals. Like that's something that the underlings do, okay, or the businesses do privately. But they're going to fill each other out, and they're going to discuss their understanding of how the world should develop. And the phrase that Xi Jinping used during the meeting was strategic stability, strategic stability. What does that mean? It basically means, first of all, I accept. I accept the status quo, okay? And the status quo is that America controls the Western Iran's hemisphere, the Dunroch Doctrine. America is now fighting this war in Iran, and America will not stop until it wins this war, okay? So basically, Xi Jinping is saying, like, I accept this status quo, but I don't want more changes, okay?

Jiang answer

I don't want more wars. I don't want more conflict. So basically, this is giving Trump a green light to finish this war. Against Iran as soon as possible, right? China will not intervene. China will not support Iran. Trump has a green light to finish this war as soon as possible in a way that he seems fit, okay? And that could mean sending ground troops. That could mean negotiating a ceasefire. That could mean withdrawing from the Middle East. But from China's perspective, they would rather see this end sooner than later.

Participant

It seems like strategic stability sounds a lot like peace through strength.

Jiang answer

Basically, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I mean, yeah. So the idea is, look, from the Chinese perspective, Iran has no chance in this war. And quite honestly, China doesn't care who controls Iran. If the Iranians control Iran, fine. If the Americans control Iran, who cares? Why? Because all China wants is that oil access, right? So China is going to deal with anyone. So you look at Venezuela. They're trying to really care that America went in and took over Venezuela. Actually, from the Chinese perspective, it was a good thing. Why? Because it's a lot easier to do business with the empire, okay, than with a corrupt regime like the Venezuelans.

Participant question

Okay. And you're expecting, you said, an attack maybe this weekend. What does this mean? Are you talking about - As early as this weekend. A false flag? Or are you talking about another Manab situation?

Jiang answer

So they're talking about a pretty heavy assault. Okay. So. Okay. So my understanding is that, and I'm just talking about this from a game theory perspective. I have no inside information, okay? But I'm saying what I would do as a game theorist, how I would go into this war. Basically, in round one, America tried decapitation. It tried these shock and all, blitzkrieg, just trying to wear down the Iranian military. Epic theory. Yeah. Epic theory. And because the Iranian military had a mostly active defense, that didn't really work. I mean, the Iranian military had a mostly active defense, that didn't really work. And you can kill four layers of their leadership and they'll still be fighting you, okay? So the Americans recognized this doesn't really work, okay? So now you need a much more strategic, much more long -term approach. So I would say there are three approach, there'll be three pillars to this long -term approach.

Jiang answer

The first is economic strangulation. And we're already seeing that where Americans have bombed Clark Island so that the Iranians are no longer going to export oil. Okay. They've blockaded the surface of Hormuz. So basically economic strangulation, okay? That's the first pillar. Second pillar is a ground invasion, but a limited ground invasion. So what you're trying to do is you're trying to set up forward operating bases in strategic areas of Iran in order to strangle the economy, but also to foment civil discontent in order to basically arm and finance ethnic groups. So that's the first approach. And the third one is you're trying to set up a ground invasion against the government in Tehran, okay? So that's the second approach. The third approach.

Participant answer

Which is the Northwest and the Southeast. They tried it with the Kurds, but they're probably going to try it again.

Jiang answer

Yeah. The Kurds and the Bullocks. The Bullocks are these insurgents in southeast Iran near Pakistan, okay? So basically the ethnic Pakistanis. They've always had issues with the government in Tehran because the government in Tehran is Shia and they are Sunnis, okay? So you have these two... Okay. major point vectors of attack and the third strategy the third pillar of the strategy is you Strangle Tehran. Okay. Why biggest trend is pull heart of Iran you basically block the people's access to food water Electricity you bomb power plants you bomb reservoirs you bomb railways and what you're trying to do is you're trying to force the Iranians To surrender to to ask for political settlement and you do that by causing the people to rebel against the government

Participant question

Okay, and what sort of so you what is this game theory based off of specifically? I don't know. Maybe I missed it. But what is the how we're using past? Using history to make a prediction here about this weekend being an attack Okay, so

Jiang answer

We're seeing how war changes over time Okay, so before the 20th century War was just about two armies me on the battlefield and whoever won The battle won the war. Okay, so so that that was pre 20th century In the 12th century, especially war two was fundamentally about destroying a nation's industrial capacity So for example the fire bombings of Germany and Japan So that that's what allowed a lot of the Allies to win the war because the Americans the British Just fired a bomb Japan and Germany to death so they can no longer produce any weapons Okay, and that's the 20th century warfare the 21st century warfare. It's different because you have these huge populations and You know the social media so it's not Feasible for you to go bomb everyone to to death. You don't want to sit you know, sit you like Gaza Right. So what you do is you do surgical strikes in order to foment Political discontent so imagine a color revolution, right?

Jiang answer

But but but in a war so a color revolution strategy in this war where you're trying to use social media You're trying to use provocateurs You're trying to use Economic strangulation to force a population to want to overthrow the government. Okay, so That's what 21st century war looks like

Participant question

Okay, and this weekend it could get to this point the propaganda You're saying that they really care about the political will they really have they're probably learning from their mistakes The phase one of the war was a major disaster people were Very unhappy the rhetoric got bad You saw Pete黑 seth was quoting pulp fiction as a source of the Bible Trump was Disrespecting the Pope saying he's weak on crime displaying himself as Jesus Operation epic fury if they were expecting people to be up on board and people really didn't like this So phase two, they're gonna redirect and it seems like there's been a new shift in propaganda it It seems like they've been going hard on creating a new narrative. I don't know if you saw Trump's True Social post where he started randomly talking about Christians being attacked in Nigeria. And we had the Tommy Robinson protests in the U.K. yesterday where

Participant question

French women are stripping themselves of their burqa and now they're free and they're embodying Western values. So do you see a new push in this propaganda?

Jiang answer

Yeah, I think people are just tired of this war. So even if this war were to restart this weekend, people would not be as interested as back in March. And it's the same thing that happened in Gaza where the first time the Israelis went in and committed all these atrocities, people were outraged around the world. There was a lot of focus on Gaza. And then the Israelis negotiated a ceasefire, things stalled. And then people lost interest. So the Israelis went back and committed more atrocities than people were kind of indifferent. People were just exhausted by this war. And that's why the ceasefire was really bad strategically for the Iranians. I mean, like, I was like, oh, my God. I mean, the Iranians were winning this war. They had popular opinion behind them. Their people were enthusiastic. And now they've had this ceasefire. This ceasefire has been around for close to a month and people have moved on with their lives.

Jiang answer

So, like, if this were to restart, people won't be as interested, right? So you don't even need to have a propaganda push. You know, it's just people are just indifferent now, right? And if people become more interested, then you announce another ceasefire and then people become disinterested, you attack again, right? So what you're doing is you're desensitizing people, you're normalizing people to war. Right. Right. Right. And eventually, when you have ground troops, people are going to be indifferent as well. And eventually, you're also going to have a national draft as well, by the way.

Participant

Yeah, that's a great point. I noticed with Gaza, too, in the beginning, especially after October 7th, everyone was talking about it. It's very similar to the start of Iran war. And then you hear people talk about Palestine and Gaza now, people who don't analyze it the way many of us do. And they just say, like, oh, I don't care anymore. They're like, why should I care about Palestine? Why do I care about Gaza? And it's like, aren't you seeing the atrocities every day? This is some of the most horrific things that have ever been caught on camera. But they are just tired. They just don't they don't have any more emotional capacity to care. And they it's just you're right. It's boring to them. And they get fatigued over this information. So but that's the human nature.

Jiang exchange

And this is beneficial to me.

Participant

This is helpful for the U.S. Empire. This is helpful for their cause or it's detrimental. I'm confused.

Jiang answer

No, I mean, like like the empire is going to commit a lot of atrocities. Right. And so what Gaza is is normalizing people to what's going to happen later on. I mean, I mean, you have a famine soon. Right. People have been worrying about this, how, you know, like the world gets a third of its fertilizers from the cervical moose and fertilizers feed six billion people. So if you if you just grow crops, you could feed at most two billion people. OK, the six other six billion people get their food from fertilizers. So if you're going to have a third of the world. So it's for fertilizer supply, then you're going to have starvation in Africa. There's no way around it. And so, I mean, the level of atrocities, the level of suffering, it's it's going to be unimaginable for people. And it's like the next six months.

Participant question

So you think that they don't that you don't actually think that there's a new propaganda push? So I was just analyzing this Tommy Robinson protest. They're saying that there's millions and it's so funny how they they're saying that we need to save the West. It's the same rhetoric here in America and they're waving Iran flags next to Israeli flags. And they have all these they have Nigerians on stage and Irish people on stage while simultaneously saying no more immigration. And it seems like the unifying objective from this protest is just saying that Muslims are the problem. But you don't think that this is this is strategic. It's just more slop being pushed.

Jiang answer

No, I know. I think it is strategic, right, because it's divided in rule. So the leaders trying to create as much. Animosity and anger in the world as as possible. OK. Right. You're also seeing these attacks against synagogues around the world.

Participant answer

Yeah. And Iran, too.

Jiang answer

Yeah, exactly. Right. And they blame the Iranians. So so a synagogue in Toronto was attacked a few weeks ago. And now intelligence is saying it's the Iranians who who are doing this. So clearly they're trying to create false flags. Clearly, they're trying to justify a larger war against Iran. And they're trying to create conditions for civil war in the Western world in order to create a police state as a state. You already have the ingredients in place, right? You already have ICE, which is basically the Gestapo. You already have Palantir, who can easily roll out an AI surveillance state. You already have these data centers all around America, right? These trillions, trillions, trillions of dollars of AI centers being built. They're being built. They're being built not for chat GPT guys, OK, they're being built for the AI surveillance state or how else do you explain why there's so many of them in America? There's like three thousand of them right now in America.

Jiang

Participant question

And Iran will continue to try to hit the data centers all over the Middle East, correct?

Jiang answer

Well, I mean, what what Iran can do, which would be a major escalation, is it can actually cut the undersea's cables that power the Internet, right? If you did that. You know, you know, these these underground Internet cables that run across the Strait of Hormuz, if you did that, it would be very, very easy for Iran to do a third of the world would lose the Internet, right? And that would destroy the global economy. So you don't even have to attack the data centers. You don't even have to attack Israel. You just cut all those cables and then the bank system collapses. You know, you have a mass crisis.

Participant

Speaking of civil war, you've always maintained that there is going to be some sort of civil war, some unrest. Especially with the national draft coming. I don't know if you've seen this. If you think it's a psyop, did you hear about this situation with Chud the Builder, the streamer who is dividing people? And it seems like it's I'm not seeing that.

Jiang exchange

Could you provide some background?

Participant

Yeah. So the streamer just got arrested for attempted murder. He's facing 56 years and he's just pushing more rage bait. It's just this he's a white guy going around and calling black people slurs. And it's it's really got people. Angry and upset. Some people are saying that there's going to be more division. It could be a pretext for a race war. But I think I don't think that this is promoted by intelligence agencies. But this is what we could point out and look at the future and see the tensions rise and more separation, more division and more and look back and see it's similar to George Floyd, where protests start and people get upset. It seems like things are heating up and there's there's more tension than before. And the situation is an example.

Jiang answer

Yeah. And I would also point out that these past couple of years, social media has amplified a lot of discontent. Right. So I think one reason that I'm so popular online is I give reason to a lot of this anger, right, where I'm articulating a lot of the issues in the world and how societies run the world and how the elite is screwing everyone over. And I think they like that because. It gets people amped up. Right. You know, it's a bit of conditions for for a revolution because, you know, like, you know, they can easily shut me down. I mean, they can easily ban me from from YouTube. They can easily cancel me. They're not doing that. You have to ask yourself why.

Participant

Because people are getting emotionally attached and getting riled up. I do like the approach. There was a moment where one of your students was asking a question and he said, does China care about the moral? Why aren't they telling the US to stop bombing Iran? You're like, they don't care. China only cares about the growth of their empire. The US only cares about the growth. There's no moral assessment that I am bringing to my lectures. You're saying that this is just analysis. This is game theory, which is why maybe you're separate because you don't have a specific bias with your analysis. Obviously, you do have your own moral code, but you are strictly giving an analysis of the world. And even in this conversation, you could see your criticisms of I don't know if you can criticism, but your analysis of China, its culture, the greed and what the Chinese government cares about. This isn't something that I could hear or that I would hear from a propagandist.

Participant

Jiang exchange

Yeah. No, I'm very much concerned about the state of the world. And I think like one solution, really only solution is if we raise awareness about how the world works. Right. I mean, like, let's have an honest conversation about what's really driving the world. And then once we have this honest conversation, then it's possible.

Participant

possible for solutions to arise so you don't really speak about what should be rather you speak about what is it's really easy to talk about what should be

Jiang exchange

right like let's not do war let's not do Empire let's all just get along but

Participant

that's not happening so why is that not happening and I of hearing what I was doing a preparation for this conversation they're saying that you are having back and forth there's some things that I want to speak about with the CIA what happened with you and Larry Johnson is this is there any validity in

Jiang exchange

this I don't know the guy I've never been on a show I've seen I've seen his appearances on judging freedom and other shows as well I admire his work but I have seen no idea who like I've never met him in person I never had a conversation with him I know I know it's a former study analyst but can you give me some background as as to what's happening I'm not sure people were

Participant

insinuating that there was some sort of back and forth but I guess it's uh I guess it's not as important what's more important with the CIA is Tulsi Gabbard she just got raided and they were taking some documents and they were looking through her office what is this about does this have anything to do with Epstein what's going on with Tulsi Gabbard yeah no I know I mean like I

Jiang exchange

think there's a civil war going on if these different tips they've saved factions that are fighting to control the narrative that are trying to undermine each other so you know like Trump's Trump wants to go after James Comey and and John Bolton because they obviously represent a different state deep state faction and so they're trying to dig up dirt on on other people as well so the way that that defending now is through bear it's like bureaucratic infighting like they're trying to figure out legal loophole loopholes against each other so I'm sure that what the CIA did was legally legally justified and I'm sure this will go to court right and Congress will intervene at some point but you know this is all the beginnings of a civil war where you know these different factions are trying to resolve the disputes for the bureaucracy or for legal loopholes for the judicial system for the political

Jiang exchange

system eventually they'll reach a point where they're gonna arm their factions on the streets right and these factions are gonna fight fight it out I mean both Democratic Party and the Republicans have street gangs right so the Democratic Party have like in Tifa they have the proud boys and so and so I think that's the next logical step in in

Participant

this conflict so what is the CIA looking for specifically with Tulsi Gabbard so I

Jiang exchange

think these are different deep state factions and I think I I I don't know the specifics but I would guess that there's some information in these files that that incriminates certain individuals and Tulsi Gabbard is trying to bring this into light so I think Tulsi Gabbard's main mission is to show that the 2020 election was manipulated it was that was rigged and if that was the case then there's there's gonna be certain individuals who were involved and you know like the the the Americans we now have Maduro in custody and I think they're trying to get Maduro to basically confess that he knows how these elections were rigged and to use use his testimony in a court of law okay so so there's a lot of things happening behind the scenes it's actually pretty violent violent where there's a lot of things happening behind the scenes it's actually pretty violent violent where Maduro is being

Jiang exchange

threatened by both sides right he's being threatened by Trump and saying like you know if you spill the beans I'll be leaning on you but then you know there are other people like you know if you really talk we're gonna come kill you so so so so I think it's pretty nasty what's going on so this is left

Participant

right division leading up to the midterm elections which are very important and you still maintain the theory and the prediction that Trump will run and we will have a third term either as a vice president or in war term. a president can go for a third term is this gonna be successful and what can we

Jiang exchange

expect from the midterms yeah so I think that the powers that be and they're coming they're coming to recognition that for all Trump's problems he is a useful idiot you need a guy like him you know transition America from a democracy to a technocracy okay so all the elite feel this way where you know the democracy doesn't really matter. work you know if democracy really worked we wouldn't have Donald Trump as president and and they're like not only once but twice okay so in 2016 the the elite basically came to basically came to conclusion that we can't really trust the people to vote the way we want them to vote the people aren't really obedient okay so the solution to this is quite a technocracy where you have an AI God and where it's an AI surveillance state and where engineers and bureaucrats and technocrats basically run America to the benefit of the American people

Jiang exchange

of course just just just just as they do in China right come to China look look how great things are right so so so they're trying to you know basically create China like China is the future that they want to emulate so you need a scapegoat sorry but you need a scapegoat in order to make this transition happen right who do you blame for destroying democracy who do you blame for taking away people's freedoms and claim this AI God you blame Donald Trump okay so you put up with him a law as it takes to make this transition from democracy to technocracy and this is a process that that might take eight years ten years who knows okay but exactly like two years and you know that's also why Trump is building his ballroom okay so I'm not sure if you looked into the ballroom but it's clearly an AI data center underneath the ballroom

Jiang exchange

that's protected by executive privilege meaning Congress can never ever ask what's going on underneath the ballroom okay so they're basically trying to create God under that ballroom right right but so you need someone to actually be the scapegoat to be the tool to make this transition happen so that so the historians will say you know it was it was this guy Donald Trump who destroyed American democracy right so so that's why I think he'll get a third term and he's bragging about how the

Participant

ballroom is now twice the cost of what it originally was and he's even tripled down on the statement that he doesn't even care about the finances for American citizens he just wants to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon you brought up a Dural they've also seemed to abandon the original idea that they were doing it to take over Venezuela because they're dealing with weapons and these are socialist criminals they're basically now just leaning into the idea they always wanted their oil same thing with Iran originally it was like hey we're gonna free Iran they've abandoned that completely no one's talking about free

Jiang exchange

Iran it's gone it's just they can't have a new don't care they've stopped caring the entire system is on autopilot they have a plan they're executing a plan and agreed is has agreed on the broad contours contours of this plan and you know they don't really care because it's impossible to resist them you know you like who's going to resist them right so and if you know about it you know who

Participant

cares it's alarming how quickly they got away with it Cuba the lights are still out the whole country it seems like they don't have electricity if the information I'm getting is correct so quickly in the span of months it went from we are the heroes saving the world of protecting it from communism and the evils of these gangsters to we just want to expand the American Empire like that and without even trickery they're just admitting it and I've never seen the shift go that quickly you're right there hasn't been any sort of backlash people are more focused on trivial things like a rage baiter streamer or these right left issues that we get focused on in social media to see that it shift this way for them to abandon the good guy image that America's kept I don't think it's ever shifted that quickly has it

Jiang answer

yeah it's it's really decline of Empire where you know what made what made the Empire sustainable was a hypocrisy where the people bought into the idea that they live in a democracy that that the Empire was about spreading human rights around the world and then when Empire declines um it's just too hard to be hypocritical anymore it's just it's just too hard work right because like think about how much energy you need to expand on trying to explain the Iran war you know like like you have to go and like give speeches and explain that you know like this warning Iran was really about protecting women's rights right really about you know protecting these minorities protecting democracy and like that takes a lot of work that you know and like they don't want to do that anymore because it's it's it's just it's like everyone knows it's it's BS uh you'll be laughed at if

Jiang answer

you gave a speech like that in public and so like screw this let's just let's just ignore this it's it's let's not waste everyone's time okay and like that's the major sign of an empire in decline so the first major sign is hubris but the other major sign is giving up the hypocrisy you know just like saying like like we don't even care anymore you know we're the Empire we can do whatever we want and if you don't do what we want what's coming destroy you

Participant

isn't there a conflict of interest there so if they're going to shift from a democracy to a technocracy saying that okay the government knows better than what the people will want we should be the ones in charge we know the moral code we know what's best but also we are hypocritical in everything we do how are they going to be able to shift towards this sort of uh governing state and this new ideology while also being so hypocritical well you you shift

Jiang exchange

people's attentions right so you have AI and the AI is distracting you by being your girlfriend or by being your demon or by being you're an alien okay you just distract people you know like like the others you have all the closure which everyone knows is complete nonsense it's complete BS there is no alien technology and it's it's just like a hallucination but some people believe it and and then if others don't believe it then you have this um AI girlfriend right and if they don't believe that then you have like demons okay you just distract people and people just you know um basically uh retreat in their own bubble because like just thinking about the atrocities that are going to happen is going to overwhelm people so they just rather close their eyes and shut their ears and just like live in their own world and we've seen this happen historically before where empires

Jiang exchange

decline because of Civil War because they get exhausted because the world unites against them but it's never because the people rise up against the Empire isn't that's never happened it happens

Participant

what's the the main Catalyst if it's not the people rising up uh Elite overproduction so

Jiang exchange

the Civil War among the elites right so and and and so that's and that's why I keep on mentioning the war between the financial elite and the AI elite yeah and you mentioned the

Participant question

UFO files this is a really silly one that's popped up I saw Kai Trump speaking about it on the Logan Paul podcast they're saying what about these UFO files yeah I think this could exist Obama started doing a podcast tour it's like out of nowhere he's been really silent although he said some things on a podcast that were pretty interesting about the Iran nuclear deal and how he prevented so much of the growth of enriched uranium in Iran and that this deal was successful and now it seems like Trump is trying to get exactly uh to what Obama achieved with this deal but he's also speaking about UFO files and many Muslims we are of the belief that this is just gin they keep saying it's UFOs but UFOs this is all a psyop and it's really spirits and it's really demons and it's really a lot more sinister than they let on what do

Participant question

you think about UFOs

Jiang question

no I no I agree I don't think it's extraterrestrial um it could be spiritual it could be demonic um I agree with that I mean like you know they they've been trying this for a long time so I'm not sure if you look into CERN okay the particle Collider in in Europe called CERN C E R N yeah but if you actually do some research you have to ask yourself why are they investing a trillion dollars to find particles okay like like like why like like I don't understand this a trillion dollars just to figure out these particles that may or may not support your theory of how the universe works okay foreign string theory okay a trillion dollars is a lot of money of money, right? So these particle accelerators are one thing to think about. Another thing to think about is there's been a lot of talk about Operation Stargate, right? So Operation

Jiang answer

Stargate is a project funded by the federal government to use $500 billion to start to build data centers around the world. And Ronan Farrow wrote a piece in The New Yorker about Sam Altman and his ambitions for the AI future. And in that article, there's a really fascinating quote where he talked to an open AI insider. And what he said was, we're building portals to summon demons, okay? Sam Altman said this. Yes. Not Sam Altman, but an insider that talked anonymously to the reporter Ronan Farrow. You can Google this, okay? Ronan Farrow, Sam Altman, AI data centers summoning demons. So... So, yeah. And so I think that what the elite has always understood is that there's always been supernatural forces in the world. If you just read Homer and you go back to ancient Greece, they took that for granted where we're surrounded by these supernatural forces. And we're always in contact with these supernatural forces.

Jiang answer

And the reason why is that our consciousness is interdimensional, okay? So our consciousness exists in infinite dimensions. And so depending on how you tune your consciousness, you actually communicate with different aliens or demons from other dimensions. And that's the great secret that the elite are trying to keep from us and that they only have access to. And it wouldn't make sense for them to try to bring these forces. Into our planet because that would allow them to have greater control, okay? So one theory is that the elite have made a deal with these interdimensional demons. And the deal is that these demons would provide secrets to the elite as long as the elite gave them more power, okay? And the great secret that they're looking for is longevity, immortality. Okay, so these demons have access to. Eternal life and but they want control, okay? So the idea is once you create this AI surveillance state, then the demons will inhabit this AI surveillance state.

Jiang answer

They will actually manifest themselves through AI and they'll be able to control the consciences of everyone and the elite will become transhuman. They'll become transcendental and they'll be given eternal life, eternal youth in return, okay? So that's a theory. I don't know how credible this theory is, but if you look at how they're behaving, it does make a lot of sense.

Participant

That seems like the only or that seems like the only sort of, I know a lot of people are going to say this is kooky or crazy, but why else is there a new push towards talking about UFO files? Even JD Vance is speaking about this and it's clear that this is, this could be a cover up. And I mean, in so many civilizations, we're aware of the interdimensional beings of demons, of jinns, for example. A lot of people speculate that Haiti, for example, when they killed their slave masters and became the first independent slave, slave nation, they made a deal with the devil to find some sort of immortality in this life and they could become immune to gunfire and swords and they could have some sort of immortality. So you're really making a deal with these interdimensional beings to have some sort of immortality. We're seeing transhumanism being spoken about more and more from people like Peter Thiel.

Participant

This is not crazy. A lot of this is a major conversation happening right now.

Jiang answer

And like, you know, all you have to do is just read Homer, the Iliad and the Odyssey. And, you know, like you read it, it's like he's literally talking about how we're living with gods and how gods are able to control our thoughts. Gods don't actually intervene physically, but they're able to possess us. So, for example, in the Iliad, when the gods take sides, what they do is they inhabit the bodies of certain warriors and give these warriors renewed energy and power to fight wars. But the gods themselves can't manifest themselves. They can't physically in our world. They do so through possession.

Participant

Achilles, he was immortal. He wasn't able to sustain a real damaging wound except through his heel. That was his weakness. This movie is coming out. I don't know if you've seen people are upset because they're saying it's going to be awful.

Jiang exchange

The worst movie ever. Like, like, like, you know, I mean, I teach the Odyssey. I love the Odyssey, but like it seems to be the worst movie ever.

Participant

I love that movie. The one that came out in 2004 with Brad Pitt was very good. Troy. Troy was great. This one. Now they have Lupita Nyong 'o is playing Helen. They have Ellen Page. She's a transgender. She's playing Achilles. Christopher Nolan is one of the great modern directors, right? He's considered one. And now he is choosing to make it this weird, woke DEI thing that's pretty outdated.

Jiang exchange

Yeah, I'm not going to watch it.

Participant question

It's going to be awful. Yeah, I should boycott it. And so you said earlier, I don't know if I misheard you, but you're saying that they want to tap into the interdimensional. They want to tap into. They want to tap into other dimensions in order to access energy. And is this free energy? Yeah, free energy. So if it's a lot of its possession, how do you get energy from different dimensions? And the Muslim belief is that there's like there's the seven layers of heaven, the seven layers of hell, and they exist on a plane. If I'm not mistaken, heaven's above and hell is below. And so the access is to get to these spirits that exist in these other realm. How do you get energy from these places?

Jiang question

Yeah, OK. So I don't know. I don't know the specifics, OK? So let me try to provide the broad contours of this theory, OK? So the world works through energy, OK? And there are different types of energy. There's physical energy, where you just do work. And there's also emotional and spiritual energy, where your emotions emit certain signatures that power this world. And what they say is that the demons feed on. This emotional energy, right, through hate, fear, anger. And so they're trying to create as much hatred, fear, and anger as possible through money and competition, capitalism, through wars, through death and destruction, OK? And if the demons become much more powerful, then they provide more insights to the elite, which allows the elite to better govern, better control the world. And it will also allow the demons to basically make the elite live forever, eternal youth, basically. And so I think that's a broad contours.

Participant

It's the idea of energy harvesting, correct? So people make the comparison to... Yeah, Lush. Lush. What is this?

Jiang exchange

L -O -S -H. Lush. So the energy they harvest is Lush. And the idea is that Lush is your spiritual energy. Yeah. So if you are in a low vibrational state, OK, you have hate, you have anger, you're feeding these demons. Whereas if you are high vibrational energy, which is like you're conscious, you're attentive, you're joyful, then you're connected to the monad, OK?

Participant

This is why in Islam we say it's so valuable to pray five times a day. People complain like, oh, I can never do this because I don't want to put my head to the floor five times. But doing this is a state of positive energy. Yes. This is redirecting yourself and grounding and centering yourself in an important way. But if your energy is directed, say, a concert is a great example where people present themselves as demons and people are worshiping the same way that you worship God. And so now you're worshiping these demons on a stage, you're giving energy, you're harvesting to spirits.

Jiang exchange

You know, prayer is just meditation and we know the health benefits of meditation, right? And as you point out, all that it's doing is like focusing your attention in a positive light, right? Yeah. You're being attentive, you're being present, you're focusing on your connection to God, right? Whereas in normal life, you're distracted by all these affairs you have no control over. You're distracted by war, you're distracted by, you know, thugs, you're distracted by this news. And this brings you down, right? And I think that's why, as you point out, the real solution is to discover religion. That is for people to embrace spirituality. And religion.

Participant

Yeah, it makes perfect sense with your theory that consciousness is the number one form of currency, because if energy can be harvested and directed in a place, this is where true power comes from. Because currency is all fake. It's a Ponzi scheme. It's based off of nothing. You have these IOUs in U.S. Treasury. The real currency, and this is why A.I. is being pushed so much, is to try to take control of our own conscious, our own consciousness.

Jiang exchange

And that's why A.I. is so dangerous. Because imagine a situation where, you know. Like, you're just born, you grew up with A.I. Well, you would forever lose your consciousness, because it would all be controlled by the A.I., right? You can only think in a certain way. And we're already seeing that in today's society, where young kids nowadays, you go to the park, and they actually have no agency. You know, like, every minute of their life is structured in a certain way. So they're either on the iPad, or they're in a class learning something stupid, or, you know, they're taking swimming lessons. It's all been so curated. And so, like, kids nowadays are like zombies, man. They're medicated, right? And they're so distracted. They actually have no capacity to pay attention.

Participant

Because somebody's harvested that energy. And for anyone that thinks it's crazy, Coachella is very similar to something like, I saw you speak about Mecca and Umrah, which is where people make a pilgrimage in the desert, and they go and worship God. Whereas Coachella is where people go to the desert once a year, and they all walk around in a circle, and they all worship celebrities that are only approved by Israel. And they've even publicly said, okay, Ye is not allowed to perform here. These are the selected celebrities that you must worship. It's their pilgrimage, and it's their way to harvest energy every year. And that energy goes somewhere. It doesn't just fade away. It always, it's transactional.

Jiang exchange

That's what concerts are. That's what movies are, right? So Coachella is just like a high -end version, but like a low -end version of these concerts you go to, or these movies that you watch.

Participant question

Yeah, that's something we need to be aware of. A lot of people think that stuff's crazy. I see the criticism I hear from you is that they try to, instead of look at what you say, they try to miscategorize your lectures. They don't even seem to watch them. And they say, oh, this is just crazy conspiracy. It's like if you watch the lectures, this information, a lot of people can agree on, and there's real basis, and there's real comparisons. But have you noticed, I've seen more of a push. We spoke before about how people like Mehdi Hassan tried to. They tried to miscategorize, oh, you're not a professor. This stupid thing. I've seen more people, guys like Hassan Piker do this, where instead of listening to what you say, they just write you off as a conspiracy theorist.

Jiang question

Yeah. Yeah, no, no. I mean, that's how they deal with me because there's nothing. I'm perfectly willing to debate anyone, okay, and explain why I think the way I think because I'm also on this journey to discover how the world works. And I'm exploring different possibilities. I'm not wedded to the idea that there are interdimensional people. I mean, it's a possibility that I consider. Like I'm not wedded to the idea of like energy harvesting of . Okay. But it's an idea I consider to help me understand how the world works. These are all just frameworks and theories that I have. I'm probably happy to debate them with people, but people don't engage me in debate. People just make fun of me. People say, you know, I'm a professor. The main criticism is like I'm a professor. Like no matter how hard I tell people, like, yes, I know I'm not a professor. They still say you're not a professor.

Jiang exchange

So, therefore, you don't count. You don't matter. Stop being a fraud. So, I mean, like I've watched quite a few videos of people criticizing me. It's always like these attacks, like these personal attacks, I suppose, like debating me on certain points that I make. The most that I've seen where they're trying to engage me is like I make these comments. I make these certain historical points. Like, for example, I believe that the battle of Canaan didn't really exist. Okay. And there's this Roman historian who said this guy's clearly an idiot because we have so much evidence that it did exist. And like if you actually watch my video, I actually present some pretty compelling arguments that it was probably made up because like most of history is fabricated. And there aren't that many sources for a lot of things we believe. So, again, I'm probably happy to engage people in debate as long as someone's willing to debate me in good faith.

Jiang

Participant

And you say all the time how you're a high school professor. And if they watch the lectures, they're a high school teacher.

Jiang exchange

A high school teacher.

Participant question

You say this in almost every single lecture. People are saying that your contract is up soon, correct? What's your plans for when this changes?

Jiang

Yeah. So, I don't know. I'm going to leave the school at the end of my contract, which expires in June. And I'm going to try to – I want to try different teaching approaches. So, in June, I'm going to do a two -week seminar on Dante. So, I'm going to read with students line by line the entirety of Divine Comedy because I think it's the greatest literary work ever. And a lot of things we discuss. Like energy harvesting and demons. He discusses it as well in the Divine Comedy. And everyone agrees that Divine Comedy is a masterpiece. So, I want to do a live stream, a two -week live stream on Divine Comedy and make it available to anyone in the world. I mean, I believe very strongly that everyone should read Divine Comedy. And it doesn't matter your culture. It doesn't matter your background because it's so universal and it's so beautiful.

Jiang

So, that's one project that I'm going to do. That's the first one that I have in June. In the fall, I will probably visit North America because I've been invited by a lot of people to appear on their podcasts including people like Theo Vaughn, Sean Ryan, Chris Williamson, Andrew Schultz. So, I'm not sure if the invitation is still open. But I feel I want to go to North America and appear on more podcasts. And engage in people in more deep discussion. Because I thought the Dyer CEO worked really well. And, you know, so I value the opportunity to just engage with people much more deeply and much more intimately than the internet allows. So, hopefully, we'll see each other in New York. Yeah. I want to talk to some professors and make some videos. Yeah. Where I try to make my arguments much more scholarly, okay? So, like basically have debates with professors who know the material where I present my argument and see how he or she responds.

Jiang question

I think this is very valuable because for me personally because I think it's very important to critique myself and to engage in self -reflection. And like to see if my arguments can withstand academic scrutiny. So, that's very important. I like seeing that. Yeah.

Participant

One of your most recent lectures you were talking about how you went back and forth through the emails with one of your Yale professors. And you were addressing some of the criticisms he had about your analysis. And it seemed like I like to see that approach in your dedication to want to refine your message as much as possible. That is an important approach that we need to have.

Jiang

Exactly. Exactly. So, I think it's very valuable for my audience as well. Because I don't want to end up being a cult leader. You know, like I don't want to start a cult. I want to spread consciousness. I want to spread awareness. I feel it's very important to spread doubt as well. And you do that through debate and through honest discussion. So, that's what I have coming up recently. But hopefully, you know, you and I can travel together to Malaysia. Yes. Because I really want to help promote education reform. You know, so like it's great that we have this discussion. But I want us to think about how we can translate this into real -world practice, right? How to start schools. How to start movements. How to start communities. Because like, you know, you went to Malaysia and you can see there's tremendous interest in new ideas there. And there's tremendous following online. And I feel like the next step is to transition from online to the real world.

Jiang exchange

And start communities where people can have like these deep discussions about faith. About spirituality. About geopolitics.

Participant question

There's a huge demand for that. And Theo Vaughn too. He's facing some scrutiny. They're saying that he's crazy. I'm seeing some similar attacks and pushback on him that I see on you. Theo Vaughn seems interested. He's very curious. That will be a great podcast. What about Joe Rogan? Has JRE did not reach out? There has not been?

Jiang

I would love to be on Joe Rogan. I'm not hopeful. You know. I know he follows me on Twitter. And I know he follows my content. And I think like maybe four years ago, he would invite me just like that. Okay? But, you know, if you look at who he's been inviting on his show. People like Peter Theo and Marc Andreessen. That's sad. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I think he's a really smart guy. I mean, and I watch him a lot. So, I would love to have a conversation with him. But maybe not right now. You know. But, you know, I have some other podcasts to do as well.

Participant

My analysis. I don't think Joe Rogan's compromised. I see a lot of people say that. I think his pushback on Theo Vaughn comes from a place of friendship. Because Theo Vaughn was saying some things about his mental health. I do believe that he still is a free man. You know. He brought in Ian Carroll. And he allows criticism of Israel. You know. So, I think that's too soon to say that. But it is interesting that he was very critical of Iran war and then he showed up in the White House. And he's right behind Trump. Trump gave him a big embrace at the UFC fight. And it seems like he's now getting more involved in politics. Much more than he was before. Very different from that COVID era when he was demonized so much for pushing ivermectin.

Jiang question

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what they said was that. Joe had become so famous that he felt as though he needed to take a side. Otherwise, everyone's going to attack him. So after ivermectin, he became very, you know, he started to appreciate how nasty his policy could be. And so he decided, you know, like, I need to pick a side.

Participant question

The podcast is extremely influential, especially for elections, of course, nobody could expect that to happen. I want to ask you. Maybe one more about hantavirus. So this was major news for a while and people are thinking maybe this is another Wuhan lab thing. Maybe somebody ate a bat. Is hantavirus, is this all fearmongering? What's the deal with hantavirus?

Jiang question

I think I think it's fearmongering, I think. But I think also at the same time, there are a lot of viruses going around. So my children were in Hainan, which is like an island in South China for the past six months. And they were they never got sick. They've been back for. For like two weeks and like everyone in the kindergarten is sick. And so there's definitely something going around. We've never been in a situation this serious before, you know, where like like like there's so much viruses going around in in China. So I would not be surprised if there were there were some more lockdowns. And so I think, you know, there are lots of pretexts that they can use to create these lockdowns. But they try to warn. It worked out spectacularly well for them. Right. I mean, like like if you feel people are discontent, we'll lock them up in their apartments

Jiang question

and say there's a virus going around and people are going to like, you know, stay at home. So that's something that's trying to intrude in China and to probably use it again.

Participant question

Have you faced any pushback from the Chinese government because they are very strict? What's the sentiment over there? You mentioned it earlier in this conversation. What have what's that been like in China for you?

Jiang

Yeah. So my theory is this. Okay. And I don't know if I'm completely correct. Okay. But this is my theory of how this works. If you create an AI surveillance state, what you're basically doing is you're creating a database. Okay. You're creating a database. And how it works is you're trying to figure out the relations between these different databases. Okay. So and what you're trying to do is you're trying to categorize people within these databases in order to figure out how they would behave. Right. So given your demographic history, given your economic background, given your buying habits, online. Given your social media friends. I can then put you in a certain category and then predict how you behave because people tend to behave people like them. Okay. So it's very macro approach to surveillance and that's how China works. My problem is I am so distinctive that I cannot be put into a category. All right.

Jiang question

And therefore they don't know what to do with me. And so what the AI system does is. It treats me as an edge case and throws me out of the system. Right. Because I don't engage in Chinese social media. I don't really have any Chinese friends. I don't do any public appearances. And so like what do you do with someone like me? Right. I'm also not a Chinese national. So there's limitations on how they can legally deal with me. Okay. So I think as long as like I don't make any money in China. I generate most of my money in China. I don't make any money for my step -sack. As long as I don't engage with the Chinese public, as long as I keep my mouth shut in China, then I'm fine. And that would be my approach. In the future, I will actually spend most of my time overseas. My family and I are looking to relocate somewhere else, possibly Malaysia, possibly somewhere else.

Jiang

Participant

Malaysia, I have only positive things to say. That's... Bosnia used to be my favorite. I think Malaysia might take the... Might take the lead on that one. We'll see. Maybe we'll both be in Malaysia. I look forward to visiting there very soon. Okay.

Jiang exchange

Well, you know, we started school together, you know, and we can continue to use the school to do our online promotion of our ideas. But I think a school will be a great creative community where I think people who think like us can congregate from around the world. You know, that's my ambition actually. Okay.

Participant

It's interesting you say that because there were... A lot of them were saying that specifically. The Prince of Johor was talking about how important it is to push proper education and so many... I even spoke at a school there. They were talking about how important it is to reshape the future and change the education system because they see so many of the flaws that you have accurately pointed out.

Jiang exchange

Yeah. And like what I think our contribution can be is that this school will be a lab school where educators from around Malaysia can see... See new practices that might inspire them and they can take back home, but which we different or separate from the traditional system.

Participant

Well, I still want to be a student. If you have that livestream series, I don't know if that's going to be in front of a class, but I would gladly... It will be.

Jiang

I mean, it will be. It's set for two weeks from mid -June to the end of June. It'll be at the Yale Beijing Center. So Yale University has like an embassy in... Yeah. In Beijing. It wants to be like a platform, a community for intellectuals to come and discuss ideas. So they generally agreed to host me at that Yale Beijing Center. And we're inviting students, college students from around the country who are interested in liberal arts, who are interested in being like maybe a humanities professor to come and take this class over two weeks. It's free, so we should get a lot of interest, but there'll be like 10 to 20 students. But the main point is we'll livestream it to the world so that if you're just interested in Dante, if you're interested in like reading the Divine Comedy, but you've never really had the opportunity to read it, well, we'll read it line by line.

Jiang exchange

And I think everyone who follows the livestream will feel empowered to confront the Divine Comedy by himself or herself. It's a really, really deep work, so we can only go into like the superficialities, but you know, it's meant... The Divine Comedy is meant to start you on your own spiritual journey through life as well.

Participant question

I'll definitely read that before it starts. I need to get through that. What's the... Is there a comparison? What does Dante's Inferno have to do with this?

Jiang

So the Divine Comedy is in three parts, okay? So what Dante does is he goes through a journey through the entire spiritual universe. So he starts in hell, the Inferno, then he goes to purgatory, and then he ends up in paradise, which is heaven, okay? That's where he meets God. Okay? So it's basically a spiritual journey. And the idea is that to seek enlightenment, you first have to experience hell. You first have to suffer. You first have to appreciate sin and evil in this world before you can actually appreciate the good and the divine.

Participant question

So it's like from Frankism all the way to the monad.

Jiang

Exactly. Exactly. Very interesting.

Participant

I'll get there. Yeah.

Jiang exchange

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I think the great books were designed to be, first and foremost, human. If you want to know what it means to be human, you read the great books, right? So by reading the great books, it allows you to become truly human, to understand what it means to be human. That's why I think that every school should teach the great books, including Homer, including Dante, including Plato.

Participant

You know, it sounds similar. Have you read Malcolm X's autobiography? It does follow that trajectory in a way. Yeah. He starts off as a drug dealer and a pimp. His name is Detroit Red. Yes. Criminal. Then he goes to jail and he starts to learn more. He takes education seriously. He changes his lingo. You know, he's a black man, but he stops using that ghetto language and saying n -word this. And he starts speaking and dressing and conducting himself in a way where people want to listen. And eventually he finds God and then he is assassinated. Exactly. That's my favorite book of all time. Yes. That autobiography shaped a lot of my philosophy at a young age. Yeah.

Jiang exchange

And that's a path to wisdom. You have to experience many different things. You have to fail. You have to suffer in order to achieve enlightenment. And that's why I think some of the most influential people in the world, for example, you and Theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan, they've had unconventional education backgrounds, right? You went to Yale and you became a lawyer and you spent all your time in Washington, D.C. You're not going to be a very smart guy. I know tons of people like that. They're not at all interesting. They're not very wise. They're successful and they're smart, but they're not wise. If you truly want to be wise, you're going to have to go through a very unconventional life.

Participant question

That's why I was asked this question recently because I was attacked. I've been thinking a lot about that situation. They're saying, okay, was this a blessing? And I see, I don't know if you're similar in this way, but when things happen, when I experience hardship, although it sucks, it's not the best, there's part of me that's like, okay, how am I going to become a better person? How am I going to learn from this experience? In a way, I embrace the challenge and I like the fact that I'm facing obstacles because this is how you develop and how you become a better person. Is this how you approach life?

Jiang

Exactly. Exactly. So my theory is this. My theory is that we all come here with a purpose, okay? We're all these souls that drift in the ethereal realm. We all come with a purpose, okay? And even before we are born, we tell ourselves what our purpose is. And some of us are more enlightened than other people and we tell ourselves our purpose here is to learn. Our purpose here is to transcend, okay? In which case, you're going to have a hard life. In which case, because your purpose is to learn, you've come and the universe has established a very hard life for you. That means you're born into an unfortunate circumstance. Your parents aren't that great. You're poor. You're going to experience hardship, okay? But that's because your purpose here is to learn. And because you know what your purpose is, each time you encounter adversity, that enables you to ascend higher, okay?

Jiang question

And so the one way that you know who's truly blessed and who's truly great are those who have survived the good times. The greatest adversity. Because, first of all, they came with a very specific purpose, which is noble. And second of all, they're able to transcend the circumstance because they've always understood the nobility of their purpose. That's my theory anyway.

Participant question

You seem a lot more optimistic. There was a period, because especially the war was extremely draining at a point. And it was weighing on you, it was weighing on me. You seem to have found your center again. And it seemed like you're much more optimistic. You seem to be optimistic about the future right now. Is this true?

Jiang

Yeah. The main reason why was that when the war happened, I was alone in Beijing because my family were in Hainan. And then on April, late April, my kids came back and my wife came back. The major difference is that when my kids aren't around, I live a very free life, okay? It's very unregimented. I get up when I want to. I just loaf around the house and I just do what I'm supposed to do, okay? And I was distracted by this war. And this made me feel hopeless. But then my kids come back and I need to get up at 6 o 'clock in the morning because I need to take my kids to school. And when I come back, I have to make breakfast and then I have to go pick the kids up. It's a very regimented life, okay? And so I feel as though there's meaning and purpose and direction.

Jiang question

There's direction to my life. And being with my kids, hugging them, seeing their smiles just fills me with energy and purpose and optimism. Because when you see your kids, you're like, this is why I'm doing what I'm doing, right? When they're not around, you're like, why am I doing this? Yeah, I'm famous. I'm making good money. And I'm getting on all these very popular podcasts. But what's the point of this? But when you see your kid, right, you just lock in like, okay, this is why I'm doing what I'm doing. I'm doing what I'm doing not for the money, for the power, for the wealth. I'm doing it for my kid because I want to establish a better future for my children.

Participant question

Right. You get some sense of structure. I had that similar feeling of isolation. The trip was great to Southeast Asia. And I go to Australia. I don't even stream there. I just make a stop there. And then I'm starting to get followed by secret police. And then I'm on the plane home and I see an email. They revoke my visa because they say that I don't fit their character. And the media is slandering me. And they're saying all these false attacks on me that are terrorist and Nazi and horrible things. And you're mad. But then your purpose and the structure and seeing what this is for, again, it can recenter you. I wanted to ask you this because you're a family man and you're talking about how important it is with children. And it reminds me of when we talked about or when you mentioned the fact that OnlyFans is on the rise and how

Participant question

I remember the stat, but something like 25, something percent. It's not that high. It's like 10%. It's very high. It's at 10%. That's too high. Like that's already double digit. No, no, no. It's 10 % too high. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what recommendations would you have? You know the influence that Western culture could have. How can this generation, how can we find a proper wife to start a family with?

Jiang answer

Well, I think like the solution will be. Is to impose on you guys, right? That's why they're going to introduce the national draft. Because right now young people are too adrift. And so the idea of the national draft is to discipline and train young people into hardship. The national draft doesn't necessarily mean you go to war and you die, but it does mean like you're forced to work. You're forced to learn a skill and you're forced to obey authority. and and so I think the solution will be imposed on on young people like whether or not you you want to or not but I think that it for my best advice for young people is to first and foremost appreciate that the world is changing and that you do matter in this universe and you know I mean like I have to say this but like once you start studying the secrets of the universe

Jiang

you know for the Kabbalah or for heretic philosophy or just for Islam okay it does change you as a person it makes you much more centered it makes you much more focused it gives meaning and purpose to to your life otherwise you just run around and fear all the time right you fear you fear death you fear being poor you fear being laughed at by everyone else once you discover a religion okay once you discover Gnosticism or they're cold or philosopher of the Kabbalah you understand your place in the universe and you understand that you're a fractal in this universe so so like whatever you do is reflected throughout the universe and you know caught you can't talks about this, where the best life is one in which you believe that whatever you do, it's reflected throughout the universe. Okay, so if you smile, everyone smiles. If you're angry, everyone's angry. Would you rather live

Jiang answer

in a world where everyone's smiling or would you rather live in a world where everyone's angry? Well, you can impact that, okay, with every of your actions. And so once you come to believe that, then I think that gives you a renewed focus, a renewed purpose, and so you live a better life. All right, so, I mean, you have to believe that. Whatever you do is gonna change the course of the universe. So live accordingly.

Participant

And don't fear death. People thought that I was insane. I started saying that I don't fear death, that I'm ready to die. I've been thinking more about mortality, but if you fear death, then that's how you are controlled. That's how they can change you, and that's how they can offer you deals and take away your purpose. But if you no longer let that control you, you are really a free man when death is no longer a fear.

Jiang

Look, look, we're here to learn. We're here to live our best lives. And that means taking risks. That means exploration. That means trying new things. So not only is fearing death a problem, but also being laughed at, fear of being laughed at, right? Fear of being socially ostracized, right? Just live the life that you want to live. Be fearless. And definitely live according to your heart. The greatest weapon that you have in this world is your intuition. Trust your gut. Whenever someone tells you, don't trust your gut, trust the science, that person is trying to control you, okay? And cult leaders say that. You know, Fauci told us that, right? During COVID, he's like, trust the science, man. I'm a scientist, just trust me. When there was actually no reason to trust this guy, and so this man is a scientist. And quite honestly, if you did trust him, you you you you probably got screwed over by him.

Jiang

Participant

It was pretty dumb, too. It was giving away your own, you know, your own sense of self and submitting to somebody else controlling your own mortality. But we learned a lot in this guy's under investigation right now. So that lesson was learned.

Jiang exchange

Well, he was pardoned by Biden, right? He was he was given a given a proactive pardon that absolved him of crimes, I think, I think until the like, like down the year 2014 or something like that. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Why would they do that? Well, they know. Well, they did it because they know he's guilty as hell for a lot of things.

Participant question

Can I ask you one more? I want to see what was the greatest hardship you face and how did you overcome it?

Jiang

Why face a lot of hardship? Hardships in my life. But I mean, like there are some distinct periods in my life when I when I really contemplated suicide. OK, so maybe going to school in Canada and people don't appreciate how racist Canadians are, but, you know, going to high school in Canada. And this was like the years when I was like 14 to 15 or 16, I was bullied every single day. OK, so when I went to school, I was bullied a lot. I was I mean, like like like people just beat me up on in school. I was a terrible student because I was stressed all the time. So I did I did terrible in school and the teachers didn't like me at all. I went home. My dad was a dishwasher and he was racially abused at work as well. And I was I was a very disobedient kid. So he hit me a lot.

Jiang question

So literally, you know, like when I was a child, I didn't think there was any hope in life. I was like, wait a minute. Oh, my God, I go to school and I'm bullied. I go to home. I go home. I'm bullied. So the only place where I found where I found any comfort was in the library reading books and reading books transported me to like different a different universe where I can be free, where I felt I could be with friends. And so I did a real love of books. But at that time in my life, I was like, you know, between the ages of like 14 to 17, I really wanted to kill myself. I had no friends. You know, like like in school, no one cared about your academics ever cared about, you know, having a girlfriend, having friends, being good at sports. And I didn't. I was told about all three things.

Jiang answer

I don't want to be my friend. I was socially awkward, so I couldn't date. And I was, you know, the small Chinese kid who was uncoordinated. OK, so so high school was just the worst possible time for me. And, you know, up until age 40. I had. Recurring nightmares of high school. I mean, like that's how traumatic it was for me, like where like every day a street to me about high school and like about doing a math test or getting being being up, getting bullied, being pushed around, being a nobody. So so that traumatized me. But as you point out, you know, this adversity made me who I am today. And I'm very thankful for that experience because it gave me tremendous wisdom and insight. And it made me a really resilient person. So that like after that, I was never afraid to take the hard way. I was never afraid to take a path that was unconventional and that was risky.

Jiang

So, you know, I stayed I stayed true to who I am, where there were many times in my life when I was like really dirt poor and I could have sold out and became like a PR guy or, you know, like like seriously, like like public relations is being a prostitute, like literally being a prostitute. So I worked for the United Nations for six months as a PR officer, public relations. And that was like one of the worst experiences of my life. And I had to quit because I couldn't sleep at night. So but, you know, so I I was poor for most of my life and, you know, like this past year because my sub stack, I'm making good money. But before that, we were my entire family was very well, had a lot of financial hardship. So I feel that this is this is like a turning point.

Jiang answer

In my life. And I don't want to go back to being poor, but at the same time, I'm not afraid of being poor. So like, you know, if I say something stupid online and I get canceled, I'm not afraid of that. I'm like, you know, you cancel me, you know, or like like take away my sub stack. I don't care because I've been poor before. I know what what it's like for me. What matters is being true to myself, speaking the truth and constantly fighting the good fight.

Participant

And I support and hope that you continue doing this fight. It's inspiring. It's a pleasure hearing you speak, Professor Jang. Look forward to a future collaboration. I did speak to Professor Morandi. We'll schedule that. I'll email you and see. Yeah. Yeah.

Jiang

Yeah. You know, I mean, like, like, again, I think he's one of the most courageous individuals right now. I mean, and I can't believe and I think it's hard to imagine how much difficulty and how traumatic it's been being an Iranian right now.

Participant

He's one of the few with Internet. So I spoke to him recently. He was in a coffee shop and he got Internet connection. He did say that he wants to. So I don't know. I mean, I know that you want to do these monthly collaborations, but within the next couple of days, if he's free, would you be? Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. And I'll keep trying to these panels. David Icke would love to bring him on others as well.

Jiang exchange

I would love to have a conversation with David Icke because we agree on so much. And I don't understand why what's the beef between us. But I would love to have a conversation with David Icke. And I mean, like, he knows a lot more about, you know, energy harvesting and, you know, the compact contracts. Between the elite and these demons than I do. So I would love to ask him some questions and learn from him, especially with the new UFO conversation.

Participant

You said a great thing early. I don't know if people in the chat remember about unity, that that is their number one trigger word. One hundred percent. These panels, these conversations. This is a proper step in the right direction towards unity.

Jiang exchange

Absolutely. Absolutely.

Participant

Thanks again for coming on, Professor Jang. Always a pleasure. And I look forward to speaking to you soon. OK, great. OK, take care. Bye bye. Talk soon.