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# SNEAKO X Professor Jiang X Dave Smith | Unity Amidst Chaos - Full Panel Discussion transcript

- Source: [SNEAKO X Professor Jiang X Dave Smith | Unity Amidst Chaos - Full Panel Discussion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgazlaA5oZA)
- Published: 2026-04-15, day precision
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## Transcript

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how are you good to hear from you that was a great call yesterday yeah yeah i know it was a lot of fun perfect um i'm gonna send the link to dave smith right now sure i don't know if you saw i just got attacked on the street yeah yeah i i i did um and how are you man no i'm great it's fine

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no issues they're trying to say that like i got knocked out that's not true trying to say my tooth got knocked out it's chipped and it was a it was a filling from an attack from several years ago so wow yeah people are trying to click bait it and stuff that's that's not true that made this just happened two hours ago so i'm okay um yeah just glad that we were able to do this call today

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i appreciate your time no i mean i was actually thinking of going united states sometime in the fall and uh my wife is against it just because she feels that the um temperature united states is like really high right now i mean like the same it could happen to me when i'm walking the streets right i'm in new york city walking around and someone's like you know i recognize you you're the ass who will start this war and then suddenly you know uh i'm being attacked it's

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so funny i saw you say that on the jack neil podcast word forward you're like i don't know

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if i should go to the states i might get punched in the face yeah yeah you know you know my my wife is really worried another issue is like they might they might let me in you know i might be at the border and i'm on a watch list and they you know you can't come in so um understandable i mean i yeah i've been invited on quite a few podcasts um and i would like to go because um i want to do the podcast circuit but um right now the situation is so tense and it doesn't seem as though the temperature will uh you know go lower i mean it just seems that the situation is just becoming more and more tense as time goes by absolutely and

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yeah there's a lot of people that are very pro -war or against your political beliefs or my political beliefs i'm of the belief that that attack was a setup he maced me right after i got pepper sprayed and he had it ready to go yeah he pulled that out of his front pocket so yeah i don't think anybody like a random homeless guy or some crazy person would do that especially if you see it i wasn't you know saying anything to him i was just reading my chat so i 100 think that yeah i think that's a very important thing to say that if you're not going to protest your rhetoric and say that they want to shut you out this is their method they're not going to try to debate and this is why these panels are good it shows unity and even if we have disagreements i think you have a lot of

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disagreements with dugan and i think you have a lot of disagreements potentially with dave smith it's important to have conversations like this and show that we could be civil and speak

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yeah yeah no i mean i do have a lot of disagreements with dugan but it's very interesting to hear his perspective um and And and I think it's really important to try to have honest conversations with as many people as possible, especially of different different political beliefs.

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Absolutely. He just got the Zoom call. He liked the messages. I wonder if he's joining. Want to make sure. Yeah. So with Dugan, it was it was pretty late for you. You seemed you were a little tired. I looked it up. It was around 1030 or 11 o 'clock when we finished.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was a bit tired. But, you know, like one question I would have had for him is how does he reconcile the fact that for the longest time, Rome was considered the Antichrist. Right. So early Christians saw Rome as the beast system, as the Antichrist. And so Moscow wants to be a third Rome. How would you go about reconcile? That difference, because for a lot of Protestants and possibly even for Catholics, the idea of an ascendant Orthodox system, they would find extremely morally repulsive. So how would he go about reconciling the differences between the Orthodox and the Catholic traditions that I think is doable? But then the differences between the Protestants and the Orthodox is something that is actually a lot harder to reconcile. Oh, there he is. Hey, what's up, guys?

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Oh, everything good. You sound loud and clear.

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OK, cool. Just making sure. Hey, hey, man, I'm glad you're OK.

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Yeah, everything's fine. Everything's good. Thanks for asking earlier. Dave Smith did text me. But this conversation is extremely important. I'm glad you guys made the time to come on here.

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It seems like you guys we don't have to do it. It's over. Trump just said we won. So this is. Oh, yeah. Let's get out of here. Yeah, I think I think the eighth time you declare victory and it's over. That means it's officially over. So we're good, guys.

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Well, what do you say? Next time, because he's declared victory time and time again over the last several weeks.

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Well, it's not. So he recorded an interview with Maria Bartiromo from Fox News. And I think it's supposed to air, I believe, at 6 a.m. tomorrow. But then she gave like the she announced that he has declared the war is over. And she's just it's the most Trumpian thing ever. Yeah, I guess if you just say it, then it's real.

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So was this a true social post? What I saw from yesterday? Trump was saying that he was not actually portraying himself as Jesus, that he was it was being a Red Cross doctor. Did you see this? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Yes. No, it's an it's an honest mistake, of course.

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So I'm not sure how much you two know about each other. I think this is going to be an interesting conversation. Well, I think the major similarities and what's most important is that you're both anti Iran war, correct?

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Yeah, we're both anti war. Yeah. OK. I mean, I know I've been following Dave for a long time. I'm a huge fan of his and I am mostly aligned with his libertarian beliefs.

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Oh, well, that's I appreciate that. And that's good to know. I know I saw your I've seen I saw your interview on breaking points and then I've seen a couple other things that were just going viral of your your predicting the war and stuff like that. And yeah, that prediction certainly came true. A lot of them came true.

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Trump winning this around war happening, the desalination plants. But yeah, Dave, you texted me earlier because I think you were you know. You did well on those Piers Morgan debates. The first one was pretty funny. The memo, the second debate was an actual debate, which is so I think the purpose of these conversations is maybe having more dialog rather than the screaming matches you see on Piers Morgan. Do you have any? Well, maybe let's just see what are the major points of contention that you two have seen from each other's rhetoric?

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Oh, I don't know that the professor would have to, you know, say I'm not sure if there are points of contention. But by the way, I will just say even on those Piers Morgan debates. I'm I always go in to just like, you know, let's talk about these issues. That's what I really care about. And I'd like to have a conversation and persuade people. And my general rule is always like, if people are respectful, that's who I am. I'm I'm like naturally kind of a polite, pleasant person. But then I guess I'm also very ready to be vicious at the drop of a dime if someone else is vicious to me. So even on Piers Morgan, I've had some really good ones. The last two just happened to be kind of goofy and, you know, went off the rails. But maybe the professor could say what, if anything, he thinks maybe. I'm getting wrong or I'm missing or something like that.

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There's nothing. Right. So, yeah, no, no. I think one point of contention that we could discuss is I think there's a lot of belief that this war is personality driven or it's interest driven. Meaning, you know, it's either Trump being an imperialist or being crazy or it's Israel and the Yahoo controlling things behind the scenes. And the argument I would make is that it's much more structural. That if you study. History, macro history, we have seen this pattern before. Whereas an empire declines, it starts these employers wars overseas that do not benefit itself in the long term. But it's driven by hubris. It's driven by structural forces as well. So I think that's one area of contention that we can discuss.

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That's interesting. I mean, there certainly is a lot of truth to that. And there's even when you study like like in the fall of the Roman Empire, when they were just like diluting. Their gold coins, there's like almost like a one to one metaphor for like money printing. You know what I mean? Even if we're doing ours on computers and stuff, and certainly the dynamics of like, you know, crushing debt, expanded military, cultural decay, like there's a lot for sure. I guess I would just say I don't think those things are necessarily in conflict. Like, I think there are all of those structural issues and then there are also the personalities involved. And there are also the financial incentives. Right. And so I'm certainly not opposed to like, I think I think that's kind of that's true, basically, that we are in this kind of like collapsing empire mode that has happened before in human history.

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Also, look, I mean, the Israel lobby is essentially their sole purpose for the last 25 years has been to get this war. I mean, a few others along the way, but they've been pushing for this one forever. And this of all the wars, it's almost like the most open and shut slam dunk. Like, I mean, if you were prosecuting a trial for murder, we'd have more than enough to put every Likud member, you know, in jail for the rest of their lives. And so, you know, that does tend to be my focus. And maybe that is a little bit more narrow than looking at the broader kind of cyclical, you know, history rhyming patterns. Right. Right.

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Well, Dave, don't you hate America? I saw Ben Shapiro just responded to the conversation I had with Professor Jang and Alexander Dugan yesterday. And he said he's exposing Sneako. There's the title. And I haven't got the chance to watch the video yet. But the narrative is that I hate America, which I saw he said about you. You know, you publicly said that you'll debate him. I'll debate Ben Shapiro as well. Do you not hate America by opposing the Israeli lobby, Dave?

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Oh, it's all so ridiculous, man. It's like the whole all of my opposition to all of these foreign conflicts is out of a love for America and particularly out of a love for America. The America that I grew up in. In. The 1980s and 90s, which is, you know, is a much different country and I believe a much better country than the one we live in today. And not that this is the entire reason for that, but a huge part of it of what degraded this country was the global war on terrorism. It totally bankrupted us, not just financially, but I believe like spiritually. I think there's a real spiritual aspect to these things. And, you know, even like let's say from the perspective of, say, like a real truth. Like, you know, you're a traditional conservative, let's say you're an American conservative. When did you when did you lose the culture in the 1960s when we were fighting the war in Vietnam for for specific reasons?

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Like you you start doing these your government starts doing these type of evil things. It affects like the even the ability of conservatives to have a voice in the room to say, like, hey, no, we want to keep Americanism in this whole tradition, like when that whole tradition is. What like slaughtering babies? It just like it leads to this moral decay in a country. Obviously, it bankrupts the country financially. And no, it's just ridiculous. Like if I didn't if I hated America, I would support all of these wars. And if I really hated America and really wanted to destroy it, I would be the biggest cheerleader of Benjamin Netanyahu. So, again, these are these are like infantile, childish arguments and they it's the same ones that the war hawks always throw out. Oh, if you don't support them. This you hate America and then it's we started this.

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So now we got to finish it. It's all this, you know, it's I always thought neoconservatives were fundamentally unserious people.

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Well, Professor Zhang, what would you respond to that criticism if they're going to say that you're a pro Chinese, anti -American commentator? You hate this country, especially I think people start to believe that when Dave says something like the American empire is collapsing. But accurately. I mean, you know, we're talking about a country where we're looking at the state of finances, for example, we are thirty nine trillion dollars in debt, Trump and his rhetoric. He's alienating everybody. He's attacking the pope. This seems like it's repeating patterns within history where empires have fallen. So how do we talk about this without being anti -America?

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Right. So I'm probably I'm probably interested in game theory and the capacity of game theory to make predictions about the future. Right. So I'm I'm interested in having a discussion about what drives human events and why do we do what we do. And if we have a serious discussion about this, I think this gives us a better understanding of who we are and it allows us to better control our future and develop a future that is more fit, more healthy for our children. So that's my primary purpose. And I make predictions as a way to validate my understanding of how the world works. These theoretical models. So that's why I'm interested in having these discussions primarily as a way for myself to doubt and debate my own models and to explore different possibilities. So I don't find myself I don't see myself as having a political leaning. I'm probably libertarian if I were to classify myself, but I can see the perspective of like different sides.

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I'm completely sympathetic to the viewpoint of people like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levine, even though. Some people will find their views abhorrent. So, for example, one argument that they would make in private that they could not make that they can not make in public is an empire in its nature is an evil thing. But an empire brings tremendous status, tremendous prosperity to the people within the imperium. And so the question is, are Americans happy with Russia or Russia? Or China in a top dog in the world, meaning that Russia and China can control the United Nations, control terms of trade, control the WTO and basically set the agenda for humanity. And so for Russia, that can mean a much more orthodox perspective for China, that can mean a much more communist perspective. And so the question is, would Americans be OK with either China or Russia being the empire?

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And why? And basically America retreating back into its continental fortress.

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What are your predictions, Dave? Obviously, Professor Jang's channel is all about using game theory. It's called predictive history. I think one thing that you're definitely vindicated about was Venezuela. So this happened in January and we got a lot of pushback and we did some collabs speaking about how the Venezuela regime change and that whole invasion was just about getting a. Well, my point of view was they were just trying to get oil. So that they could supplement the loss of oil that would happen if they attacked Iran and they would close the Strait of Hormuz. I think you also agreed that that was part of the plan. And we've been vindicated about that. And people are saying that you hate America even back then. What can we predict going forward? Because you got a prediction like this, correct?

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Well, I mean, it's look, I mean, that is not my specialty is, you know, working out models to predict the future that is above my pay grade. And it is tough. It's a tough, you know, there's a lot. There's just so many variables. When it comes to human affairs, and it's hard to account for all of them, I would say, like, with a with a high likelihood right now, it, it seems to me that Donald Trump right now is kind of desperate for a gimmick to get out of this. It seems like he, he, it seems to be the case somehow, even though this is fairly hard to believe that the Israelis convinced him. Like, according to him. I mean, the New York, that New York Times piece, it was that Benjamin Netanyahu and the Mossad convinced him that this was this would this would tank the regime and that they could, they could get

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a regime change with like an easy first strike decapitation, or at least claim they got one as they did in Venezuela. And obviously, none of that is true. But I would say at this point, right, if you just kind of like, look at the stated goals of the war. So it would be what, like, destroying Iran's nuclear. So it would be what, like, destroying Iran's nuclear. So it would be what, like, destroying Iran's nuclear. So it would be what, like, destroying Iran's nuclear. So it would be what, like, destroying Iran's nuclear. So it would be what, like, destroying Iran's nuclear. So it would be what, like, destroying Iran's nuclear. So it would be what, like, destroying Iran's nuclear. So it would be what, like, destroying Iran's nuclear. So it would be what, like, destroying Iran's nuclear. So it would be what, like, destroying Iran's nuclear. So it would be what, like, destroying Iran's nuclear. opened.

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The prospect of any of those things happening seems pretty slim. The perhaps the Strait of Hormuz, you could work out a deal where like, if you quit right now, the Iranians would go, all right, we'll take that opportunity. We flexed, let us try to recover a little bit. Obviously, they have taken a lot of damage, and they're dealing with those issues. But that it was the only one that seems plausible. And that was the status quo before the war. So there's no way you know, so essentially, what you're looking at here is just an unquestionable loss. Like however you you want to phrase it, I think it's the best case scenario is that somehow Donald Trump can get out of this. And it's just clearly a loss, in which case, I think he's destroyed his presidency, handed the country back over to the Democrats. And we're all right back at square one of essentially having to oppose the insane progressives.

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And then of course, the worst case scenario is that he's not able to get out of this. And that there is, I would, I'm not going to make a prediction one way or the other. I think both of them have there's a strong chance of either of those outcomes, especially when you got the Israelis in there who are going to continue to do everything they can to keep the Americans in as long as they can tolerate what they're getting back from Iran.

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He's like that his his only support base now are hardcore Zionists. He's alienated everybody else. He alienated Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Megyn Kelly, Alex Jones, now Catholics, he's attacked the Pope, saying that the Pope is weak on crime. So because there's a very strong negative sentiment with the current administration, because he is alienating so many people, there's a lack of leadership. And a lot of people if they look at what's happening and seeing how ridiculous the parameters of this war are, how can we move forward the correct way without more acts of borderline civil war, which we saw in Minnesota, with the ice attacks? How do we keep the people here in this country correct to elect the right people and get the sentiment here and prevent massive protests like Vietnam and get people to distrust this country? I want to start with Professor Jang as a over there from China.

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How do you think we can fix this?

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Right. So again, I look at macro history. And the reality is that America is addicted to the petrodollar. It's addicted to money. Printing. It's addicted to the world consuming US Treasuries, buying up US Treasuries, which allows Americans basically finance their pretty luxurious lifestyle. If you're an average American, you basically live better than Roman Emperor. I mean, America is really in a privileged position. And the question is, are Americans willing to make the sacrifices necessary in order to ensure world peace? Yesterday, I had a conversation with my wife. And we did a thought experiment. Because right now, the baby boomer generation has the most power, the most wealth of any generation in America. So it's ultimately up to them what they want to do. And I asked my wife, let's just say, we talk to the baby boomers and say, for the sake of world peace, for the sake of your children, for the sake of your grandchildren, for the sake of America, we need to charge you 50 % taxes.

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And it's not ridiculous, a 50 % tax on baby boomers. But by paying for the 50 % tax, this will ensure world peace. This will ensure American prosperity. This will ensure a brighter future for your children. And my wife played the role of baby boomers. And she told me, there's absolutely no way that I, as a baby boomer, would agree to this deal, because I've got another 10, 20 years ahead of me. And I want to ensure that my life is stable, that it's prosperous. And I worked really hard for to have all this wealth in my bank account. And so that's a structural issue that I don't think can be resolved. Because the baby boomers have all the power. They have all the wealth. They control the political apparatus. There is one demographic that actually supports this war in Iran.

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There's only one demographic. And it's the baby boomers. And this demographic is also the only demographic that supported Israel's actions in Gaza. So that's my concern right now.

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Yeah. No, that's a really good point. And also, I mean, because to your point before Sneaker, when you're like, who's possibly supporting Donald Trump, except the Israel lobby at this point. But that's the answer. It's the baby boomers. Who's still watching Mark Levin's show? Who's still watching Sean Hannity? It is your Fox News watching father -in -law. Okay. Well, for Sneaker, maybe grandfather. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Jordan, put your microphone on there. Yeah. Okay. horn was me and in fact, that's very, very nice. So put that on there. And it's actually part of the, it's not a movie. It's actually a comedy thing where we do, you know? that because like the alternative to you believing that is that you believe that you are a baby serial murderer out of

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a nightmare so like yeah you you're and in a similar way the boomers are so invested in the idea that they earned it honestly that they did you know like even when it was just that the house they bought for eighty thousand dollars became worth six hundred thousand dollars and they took out a home equity line of credit and then invested that in the stock market which happened to go up because they were inflating the currency they still and they're so invested in that that the apps the the psychological like incentive structure there for them to accept that this was all a big con and that we were all kind of like that we were in this privileged position and you know the the tragic thing in to me in american history economically is that we really did transition from being the greatest experiment in laissez -faire free market capitalism ever to being the biggest

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experiment in big big government central banking fiat currency insanity and so the like the the americans we were only in the position to be the second because we were the first the the whole reason why we even got the reason why america won the first world war in the second world war well aside from getting into it late and having a huge advantage in that sense that all these other powers were exhausted a bit by the time we got it particularly world war one totally exhausted but but then it was because we had built up the biggest production of the world and we had built up the biggest production of the world and we had built up the biggest production of the world and we were able to transition that into military productive capacity and so we just dominate it you know that you if you read about world war one and world war two

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in many cases the germans had like superior machinery but we would churn out 2 000 pieces of arm you know before they could churn out five you know like they had the better subs they had the but it didn't matter because this was america we mcdonald's our way into winning two world wars yes and then because it was a mac and then they had the better subs which we were in that position we got to call the shots on the entire global order and so we became the global superpower hegemon in a bipolar world but even then i mean the losses that communist russia had taken after world war ii they just simply were not in the same position that america was all the only damage on our shores we suffered was pearl harbor and that ain't even really on our shores russia had been destroyed you know and so lost you know casualties in

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the tens of millions you know um and so then the new system became okay well i mean we had already at the right at the beginning of world war one created the income tax created the central bank we had laid the groundwork for this this new order and then essentially it became right like as you said it went from first the bretton woods agreement where okay essentially will be the gold standard of the world which tied every currency to our currency then we're going to bail on that and switch over to the petro status because we've been printing too much money to redeem anything in gold and so now we have this system where essentially right we we don't get our wealth the good old -fashioned honest way that we used to which is which did make us the wealthiest country in the world even at that time you know like it's still we still

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could have just continued to build on our productive capacity and had an honest economy and instead the way we get our wealth now is all like you could look at all the wealthiest counties in america they're all outside of washington dc and new york city it's like either you're in finance and you're just trading speculating a spending economy or you're in finance and you're just trading speculating a spending economy essentially just extracting wealth out of the real economy or you're in the suburbs of washington dc because you're you have some government contract or you work for a weapons company or something like that you know an ngo something attached to the government and and if you do zoom out on this and i'll wrap up here but just just to disclaim because i i don't want to be accused of nothing i've got nothing against talking to any chinese person or middle eastern person or

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anything i'm an individualist i don't but just to be clear i'm a libertarian i do not support any form of communism whether it's the quality of life i'm a libertarian i do not support any form of communism i fascistic form of the ccp or any other system i believe i'm an american for americanism and free market capitalism but look i mean it's hard not to say someone could accuse me i hate my country just calling balls and strikes here essentially the deal between just say like america and china spanning decades now has been you make all of our stuff and we will buy it from you that's the working relationship you do the production and we'll do the consumption and oh by the way we're going to need you to lend us some money to do the consumption because we're dead broken we can't afford it and it is the truth is just that it

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is a totally just unfair deal for the world on behalf of the uh on behalf of america and but i would add the caveat to that being that the boomers were the last generation that really benefited from that whole system yes none of it none of the rest of the generations are benefiting from this and so it's not just that like we have this unfair system but it does help america actually it's destroying america it's helping the banking sector it's helping the weapons manufacturers and it helped the baby boomers and i so i agree with you they're not going to change their minds but the thing they are going to do is die and that's coming up in the next few decades i mean that's already starting baby boomers are starting to go down and so i'm just saying that is you know unless we got some real breakthroughs in medicine uh coming up here

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so anyway i would say that what what at least has happened is that if back to your analogy of like would you take this deal the baby boomers would not but the 50 and under crowd is radically aware of all of this stuff in a way that the american people have never been before and so perhaps i'm hopeful that if we can make it till then we will be looking at a new political reality okay so that was a great um

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you know um dialogue so thanks so much dave so i want to make two points okay to further our discussion so let's talk about the china u.s relationship so you say that the u.s maybe the baby boomers benefited but the united states overall lost in this relationship with china and i i i want to um explain the chinese perspective because it is true that america did offshore its manufacturing capacity to china that is true and that built the chinese middle class but what people don't discuss is that china offshore its elite selection and indoctrination to america okay and this is very important this is something that americans don't really discuss meaning that china sent all its top students all the like the the wealthiest brightest students to america to be indoctrinated in the ivy league and universities and then they came back to control china and so what this means is that um

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over these past few decades china's civilization capacity its intellectual capacity has been severely downgraded so even though um china has become much more prosperous you can make the argument that china has been intellectually colonized by america so the chinese elite right now have this very neoliberal um very pro -american slant which i think is going to hinder china's development and civilization for the next few hundred years okay so so so so so so i so i will put this cabinet out there okay like like it's not a just china has benefited everything from this relationship um china has lost a lot as well um so so that's one point i'll make second point second point that i will make is that once we um point out that it's a baby boomers who benefit a great deal from from american empire we can now make certain predictions about how baby boomers will behave before they die

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okay we all agree they will die in 20 years 30 years who knows but they but there will be drastic political changes before they die off all right yeah so if you just look look at the like look at the periods of american history which we would you discuss right so so maybe in the 60s and 70s it was a great society period where america was heavily invested in growing a family you had medicare you had the pension system social security all being developed at this time so the baby boomers grew up in a very idyllic time when their mothers were at home taking care of them uh the schools were great uh you had great public universities okay so they were they had to receive the best education they had the best opportunities i'm going to say i'm talking about like white middle class americans right obviously i'm talking about minorities and and then

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in the 80s you had the reagan revolution the reagan revolution was opportunity for people with talent with ability to make as much money as they wanted okay so you have this massive um um growth in wealth among among the baby boomers and then in starting about the year in the 90s under clinton you have the unipolar moment when american power extended overseas and baby boomers could go and vacation anywhere in the world and feel privileged it felt it felt as though um the entire world became colonized by america and then you had this you had this breaking point in 2016 when donald trump came to power and um and then we saw america become much more authoritarian okay so an example of course is covert and you and i you and i both agree that the lockdowns were inappropriate um it shattered the mental health of young people who need to socialize it destroyed uh

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staring at a screen for eight hours a day um it destroyed the economy right if you were poor you became even more poor but it benefited the baby boomers because first of all um they they they had assets in the stock market and so market boom at that time second of all they were actually afraid of catching this is this disease so that's that's why they were in favor of lockdown and then you had um the um you you had october 7th happen and then you had these university protests happen rightfully because these young people were disgusted by what's happening in in gaza and then you have this massive crackdown um in the indian universities and so what this is telling us is that the baby boomers are politically active and they're able to warp the american political system in a way that matches their worldview that matches their political priorities and so the argument

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i would make is yes they will die off but before they die off they will make sure that america becomes an a much more authoritarian nation before they die off so that they can live peacefully in their gated communities and they can continue to be parasites on the American Republic before they die off. Right. And that's a prediction I would make. And that's very worrying that that is the case. But given the past behavior, I mean, they are extremely selfish people who who believe that the world should revolve around them.

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Yeah. Listen, I mean, I can't I can't really disagree with anything you said. There. I thought that was all very interesting about the point with the Chinese students coming to our elite universities and going back, I really just had not really considered the effect that that has on China. And it is very interesting. I mean, look, there's there's you know, I guess I would just add that for people, especially because I know, you know, a lot of your audience, Nico, is like younger. And that's part of the reason why I like doing your show. But I don't know if you you know, if you weren't there, you haven't extensively read about it. But it's hard to overstate how much American culture really had dominated the world leading up to the unipolar moment, which, of course, the collapse of the Soviet Union and for anybody, if you if you want to go watch Metallica played a concert in Moscow right after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

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And dude, it's the craziest thing to watch. There's like I mean, there might be a million people in the crowd just losing their minds. Loving American heavy metal is just that they really did look like there was this thing of like, we love you for your blue jeans and your rock and roll music. And people kind of wanted that they wanted to aspire to this like, oh, look how wealthy this country seems to be. And it was really after the unipolar moment. And then after, oh, did we lose a professor there?

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He's back to CCP did not get him. They didn't like they didn't like that last part.

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He's back. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

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I got cut off. Sorry.

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No, no problem. But so essentially, it was like all that goodwill got blown really in the with George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. And then, of course, with George W. Bush, where it all just really fell apart. But you know, I mean, to the selfishness of the baby boomers it and again, there are exceptions to this. My mom's cool. And I like, you know, there are some baby boomers who I like very much, but it is really hard to over. State how selfish of a generation they were that this is the generation that like literally their slogan was don't trust anyone over 30 until they turned 30. And then by by the time you get to COVID, my friend Jeff Dice like did a whole thing on this. But by the time you get to COVID, yeah, they supported the lockdowns because they were the ones at risk. Yeah. Shut down the kids, which

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I just yeah, I got to tell you someone who has little kids who hopes to have grandkids someday. I cannot fathom being in my 60s or my 70s. And ever thinking like, to prevent some risk to me, I would harm one hair on my grandchildren's head is just like, it's, it is profoundly and they're the they're the generation that normalize no fault divorce and self actualization. And this idea that you could just like, not take care of your kids or not stay with the woman you had children with for the rest of your life that you don't have an obligation to like God to do that. I mean, it's just it's it's. I don't know. It's it's really shocking when you think about it. And so look, I don't I don't disagree with you. Of course, another big factor in there is that baby boomers have been in charge, not just you know, the the generation that supports these policies, but the actual politicians themselves for my entire life.

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Like this. It's so bizarre, man. Like, dude, sneaker, I was, you know, the 1990s were 30 years ago, right? And I was I was a teenager in the 1990s. And we had these policies. We had these politicians like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and and like, OK, the Clintons are out of power, but she was trying to be president just within the last decade. Donald Trump was a figure. Joe Biden was like all these guys, these Mitch McConnell's and Chuck Schumer's. They're all the same guys. They were all in there when I was younger than you. And I got a lot of gray in my beard now, you know, like I'm a grown man and the same people who were in charge. They were in charge when I was a teenager are still in charge.

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It's really it's fascinating. That being said, I do think maybe what I would just you're certainly right about the concentration of wealth that's in the baby boomers and perhaps my, you know, I guess if in the game of making predictions, you want to really remove emotion from the table and maybe this is just kind of wishful thinking on my part. But I do think that there is the baby boomers on almost all of these positions are severely in the minority. Of the American people right now, it's not quite the dynamic that it was when they controlled so much more of a share of the population. And like, even if you look at the issues that we're talking about, whether support for Israel, support for this war, support for Donald Trump, support for it, they're like it's them on the wrong side of like a 70 30 issue. And so, you know, I guess we'll we'll see where all of this goes.

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The you know, the. The. Right. There is a very scary dynamic that's emerging, which rate is that you have a smaller and smaller group of elites who are an elite, you know, generation who support the regime and then super majorities of people suffering from a lot of discontent. And if you look at that model, most nations that have that dynamic deal with problems. And so certainly it's hard to argue that there's not the potential for major problems with this dynamic going on. And so, you know, I think we're going to have to move forward.

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Oh, God. So sorry. Sorry. Go ahead. Please. Please. No, no, no. So just to show you how much damage the boomers can do before they die off. Let's look at Canada. I'm not sure you've been following situation in Canada. Okay. But I will list certain events in Canada. So during the COVID lockdowns, if you thought that it was bad in America, it was 100 times worse in Canada. Right. You get the trucker trucker protest. These are guys who were concerned about the vaccine mandate, as they should be. And all they wanted was a conversation with Justin Trudeau. So they staged this peaceful protest in Ottawa. And they were debanked. But not only were they debanked, but if you support them in any way, like you give a dollar to these guys, you are debanked as well. That was pretty authoritarian. Then after COVID, you have this massive influx of immigrants to Canada that drove property prices like, you know, to the sky.

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That made it impossible to find a job if you're a young person. That made this cost of living like sky high in the major cities. And most of them were coming from India. You had millions of Indians coming to Canada. And this was causing a lot of discontent. And so you would think that, you know, after a few years of this, when clearly this was a dumpster fire, that the Canadians would be like, let's do a moratorium, you know, let's just stop immigration. And let Canada, give Canada some time to absorb these immigrants, right? You think that's a reasonable course of action. Instead, Mark Carney goes to India and says, we want more Indians. In fact, we will give scholarships to Indian students to come to our country. And then this guy, Mark Carney, who before becoming prime minister of Canada, never had an elected office, okay?

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Before he became prime minister, he never had... He was never voted into office by the people. And quite honestly, for most of his adult life, he was not even a resident of Canada. He spent most of his time either in New York or London working for Goldman Sachs. And then the leadership race for the Liberals was completely staged. And that election, you could argue, was rigged as well. And then when it comes to power, rather than try to win his majority for democracy by letting people vote, he is bribing opposition members to join him. He joined his party, and now he has a majority, okay? So clearly, Canada is moving towards a more authoritarian system. And so this is the damage that baby boomers can do, because you ask yourself, who is benefiting from all this, from all this, from immigration, from sky -high property prices, from an increased standard of living? And the answer is baby boomers, okay?

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So Canada could be America's savior. It's Canada's future. So I would say pay close attention to what Mark Carney is doing in Canada, because people complain that Donald Trump is a tyrant. Look at what's happening in Canada. And Mark Carney is fully supported by baby boomers.

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Yeah, well, so I get your point there. And then what I've been sounding the alarm about, which I think, not that I'm the only one, but that, you know, at this point, like, I'm concerned about the authoritarianism coming out of the Trump administration. I'm very concerned about what the next step is going to be here, because I do think there's this one element about where we are in America today, and this is true, I guess, in Canada too, but I just know America better, is that really, for the first time, perhaps in modern history, like, governments, modern propaganda apparatuses have been broken. And so they don't really have the same... They don't have the same controlled corporate media that they used to have. And this is what allows conversations like this to happen, because they just weren't going to happen under the old controlled model. And so you have this dynamic where, like, people are waking up to the corruption and to the lies of the propaganda.

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And at this point, Donald Trump is just snapping back at Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly and Alex Jones and Candace Owens and all these people. But how long can they continue this? And does that require an authoritarian crackdown? But then the other angle, which I'm equally concerned about, is that, you know, for whatever we rolled back, as I kind of alluded to earlier, for whatever we rolled back in the culture and in terms of political power of the woke leftist insanity that we've seen over the last 15 years, well, Donald Trump just found, like, the only way to hand political power right back over to that same group. And it was some of the stuff... We maybe didn't do... We didn't do as much as Canada did. We weren't as viciously authoritarian during the COVID stuff, but we flirted with every bit of

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it, and really not just flirted with it, but, like, keep in mind, like, Joe Biden passed an executive order essentially banning the unvaccinated from working nationwide, that any company with over 100 employees, I believe was the rule, had to fire all of their unvaccinated workers. Now, the Trump Supreme Court, which was still... On the bench during Biden's years, they struck that down as unconstitutional, but, like, the president tried to do that and not... But a couple old Supreme Court justices die in five years later or earlier or whatever, and that gets through, and that is the law of the land in America. So central bank digital currency, they flirted with a lot, and they really flirted with the national vaccine passport, the idea that, like, we were gonna federally enforce essentially a caste system in America. So, like, those guys coming in after being so punished by the voters, I really worry that they'd be coming back in with a vengeance this time, and that this time they would...

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That this time... If we see President AOC or President Gavin Newsom, that they're gonna understand that they can't just wait around to see if they get voted out or possibly publicly hung by the American people at some point. They gotta be like, well, now's the time that we have to implement. What... I think for... They always pretended that China had, which I've never exactly understood what the evidence for how real the Chinese social credit score system is. Like, I've heard politicians allege that this is the grid that totally controls China, but then I've also just talked to lots of people who are like, no, I ran a business in China for 10 years, and I don't even know what you're talking about, and that's not a thing. And so I don't know what's real there. I know the way they lied about the whole Uyghur genocide numbers and that...

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What was the guy, Adrian Benz or whatever? Just didn't carry the one when he was supposed to and made all the numbers completely wrong. So I don't know what about that. But I know that our democratic establishment politicians have openly flirted with the ideas of carbon scores and all this crazy stuff. And so, look, I agree with you that the biggest... I agree that the biggest danger is that you find one of the... Because the boomer generation in America, and I could speak to... I know there's... Some people have had great quotes like this, like, but if true authoritarianism ever comes to America, it will come in the language of liberalism, but that is always the case. For the boomers, it'll always have to be in the language of liberalism because that's the only language they speak. That's why they even have to call... Everything is draped

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in libertarianism in America, even though we're the biggest government in the world in all this debt and print all this money and bomb all these countries. But even when they bomb... When the war in Iraq, what was it called? They called it... They called it Operation Iraqi Freedom. They call your income tax voluntary compliance. That's what the IRS calls you paying your taxes. Voluntary compliance. Now, if you don't voluntarily comply, yes, they will throw you in a cage, but it's voluntary, you see. So, I'm just saying, if you could find a narrative around climate change or around hate speech or the rise of fascism in America, then it's quite possible you could get the boomers on board with some wildly terrific...

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I completely agree. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Go ahead, Sonequa. I want to hear your response. No. So, I completely agree about the Democrats. So, I think that from the perspective of the Democrats, these liberal boomers, the disease, the plague in America are conservative white men. America must do all that it can to destroy conservative white men because that is the ultimate threat to their way of life. Right? And that's why they come back in office, they will target conservative white men with digital currency, with carbon tax, with more cancel culture, with DEI, with more illegal immigration. You can bet that when they come to office, that's what they will target. It's what Hillary Clinton said, the deplorables, right? Who do we hate the most in the world? These conservative white men who are mad at us. They're playing hide and seek.

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Yeah. No, 100%. Sonequa, why don't you jump in because you...

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Yeah, I just wanted to see what the solution is. I think you rightly pointed out how the boomer voting class, which is still the majority voting block, they keep voting for their own interests and they don't seem to care at all about future generations. So, what do we do in Gen Z and for Gen Alpha? Do we vote left in the midterms?

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Well, I don't... I don't know. When it comes to voting, right, like there's... Again, voting is... is like a strategic thing that's that's what voting is about it's like it's you have this little bit of a tiny little shred of authority over one election and then nothing else that's just the hand you're dealt and so what's your strategy there now there are arguments all around i mean look there is an argument that we'd be better off if kamala harris was president today at this point that's not that tough of an argument and part at least for me of the best strongest argument that we'd be better off with kamala harris is just that the whole resistance would still be the resistance and you would you know the in a kind of i don't know uh maybe counterintuitive way sometimes the best thing if you're a right winger is for a democrat to be the president

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and sometimes the best thing if you're a left winger is for a republican to be the president because if they really blow it and they really mess up it gives all of the like cultural energy back to you and the the best case of that is like just look at from a cultural perspective the right lost everything through the first four years of donald trump if you remember this was the rise of the craziest wokeism in in america was all in donald trump's first term and they only finally had some cultural victories when it was joe biden and he was in there and then all of a sudden you started having things like the the bud light boycott and the target boycott and i mean elon musk bought twitter in those years like there were a few major factors that happened but anyway look i think there is an argument that the best thing right

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now is that the democrats win the midterm elections because the republicans just have to be punished for this like it's there there's got to be a message that like you do this there is a cost to it even if that means we have to give ourselves the democrats in congress but giving giving ourselves the democrats in congress is a different thing than say like giving the democrats the white house and both chambers of congress where now they can go crazy with their agenda so like but i just kind of think the democrats are going to win anyway i don't really i'm not signing up to vote for no democrats you know what i mean like i just i i don't know if i'll ever put my name like if i'll ever vote for a major party candidate again unless like thomas massey or someone like that runs i just don't i'm too disgusted by the

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fact that i supported donald trump but i just don't want that filthy smell on me again um not that i really care voting is stupid but like it's just i don't know i don't want to i don't think i'll be voting democrat but um i i would say that i think the democrats are going to win the midterm elections and i think that's the only thing that's going to happen and so after that my thing is just if you're talking about on national politics level no one from this administration can be supported uh except joe kent if you want to throw some support to joe kent i got no problem with that but anybody else who's attached to this should just be that should be our absolute standard but there has to be like some type of line here no supporting jd vance no supporting marco rubio no supporting tulsi gabbard no supporting any of

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them for the rest no supporting bobby kelly uh uh bobby kennedy uh there's just no sorry even if you're just at the health department resign in disgust i don't care you said you were the guy who was against the neocons and all their wars and stuff and specifically spoke out against what a nightmare war in iran would be get away from the i don't think that's too much for me to ask like your president starts lying you into war and committing war crimes get away and so i don't know maybe thomas massey will run maybe there'll be some some outsider candidate who we can't think of right now who would actually be something someone who we should be supporting but to me the bigger thing is like i i'm like look the baby boomers whether slowly or or quicker are gonna die they're gonna age out i'm still gonna be alive hopefully you you guys

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are still gonna be alive hopefully i got children who are very invested in still being alive after that and so my thing is just like what we can do in the meantime is wake up as many people as we can and really demonstrate that like we have the correct argument here and then the other thing i would say is if you're going to join the say just very briefly because i'm sorry i'm rambling too much but that i do think one of the real dangers we have right now and this is part of the reason why you know i i like talking to guys like you i like talking to guys like nick fuentes i like talking to like a lot of these guys because and and i know to some degree there are some in the audience who will like almost think that this is kind of like hopeless naivete or or i'm a

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jew and i'm being subversive or something like that but it's like the thing is this right the establishment in america that has just like destroyed this country let alone all the other countries that it's literally destroyed it as i said before it wears this liberal skin it wears this libertarian language everything is operation freedom and voluntary compliance and all these like which is not our system it's the opposite of our system it's the system that we once had that built us all of the wealth to allow us to have this corrupt crazy system but like when when people especially young people are understandably reacting against this system which calls itself liberalism the natural tendency is to split into illiberalism and to go yeah we reject liberalism and that's why you see so i i i believe that's why you see so many young kids on the left openly supporting communism socialism and why you see

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so many people on the right openly supporting fascism because it just becomes the knee -jerk reaction that like yo we screw this like it we're against what you say you know we're we're what you say the worst thing in the world is but the truth is that there's just disaster behind both of those paths they've both been tried they've both led to absolute disaster i mean like real deal disasters and it might be like kind of like niche and and kind of like badass to be like no i'm the revisionist who says you know stalin was really cool or i'm the revisionist who says hitler was really cool and by the way that's not what stalin says i don't even mean to say cool because he i get the point he's making when he says it i just mean like the people who are actually going like no these guys were actually great misunderstood leaders

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and they they were did really good by their people like no they didn't no they did not the people who lived under them suffered fates that you literally anyone in america is incapable of even wrapping their head around and that's what that stuff brings but we have this other option a third way if you will ironically where we could just remember what was really great about america like we don't have to turn to any of those things we can just do the american model which at its best is freedom the bill of rights the declaration of independence like there there is no there are a lot of dynamics that prevent us from being there but there's nothing against the laws of physics that say we can't just at some point go hey the constitution is still the law of the land screw all of this we're enforcing it now and if we can get to

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a point where we wake up super majorities of the american people to believe in that then i think we got a fighting shot at maybe things being much better off than they are now so that's the strategy for me just keep saying this stuff and hoping to

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resonate with as many people as you can professor chang what do you think and we started off saying oh you were even apprehensive to come to america because you could have been a victim of some sort of political violence i think the temperature has been raised and we could still feel it since the assassination of charlie kirk we do i speak to so many people in gen z and when you bring up the subject they don't even want to say whether or not they're pro or anti -war in iran right now because they don't want to get fired from their job so it is important to wake up as many people but so many people understand the limitations of free speech even in a country where we pride ourselves in having that free speech so

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what does the youth do look i completely agree with dave i think first of all the best thing about america the thing that makes america great is the first amendment no other nation in the world has this and it must be protected at all costs um and so you have to support people who support the first amendment uh that's the first point second point is that you're absolutely right in that young people have been brainwashed too much in schools especially with this dei nonsense uh this liberal woke nonsense so um educating them you know which which which which which is what you're doing right now with your channel that's also very key um to you know make make sure that they have the intellectual intelligence uh that's point number two point number three is i am very very skeptical skeptical about the democrats and so let me tell you why in 2016 when trump won

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i had tds and the reason why is that you know um i went to yale i said at yale and so i have this very liberal mindset okay like you go to yale and you can't help but come out as late like this program liberal robot and so my instant reaction was this is all wrong uh trump is pure evil he's gonna be next hitler and so we're we need to do whatever is possible to get rid of this guy and so i close i i'm not american uh i'm i'm a canadian citizen but i i follow the 2020 democratic primaries very very closely and i was i became convinced that uh kamala harris pete budaj jets these are all just program uh mk ultra people like like you know they're useless so the only only viable candidate in my opinion was bernie sanders and at this point okay we're talking we're talking like spring

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2020 no one thought joe biden was going to win the democratic primaries and he was going to win the democratic primaries and beating trump in in november so i i sort of like you know forgot about about biden and i focused on bernie sanders and you know when he won nevada there's a real hope and real energy that this guy would win uh the democratic primary and if he did so then he would have certainly beaten trump in in november but then of course what happened was super tuesday and then obama and his people came out full in support of um of spying i was like what is this crap well this is this is a second time this has happened to bernie sanders okay because in 2016 he was railroaded by the democratic party um and it was basically stolen from him and given to hillary clinton regardless of what you have to say

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about trump he did win democratically in 2016 in the republican um primary okay the the republicans ran a democracy whereas the democrats did not and then and then in 2020 it was rigged as well in 2024 there was not there was not even a primary so i'd be very concerned about the democrats because if you go to schools like yale if you go to schools like harvard it's clear like they graduate ask ass kissers right they graduate people who do anything to suck up to authority um these are people who believe that the ends justify the means these are people who actually know moral conviction at all so um yes i understand that the democrats will probably win the midterms and i understand that the republicans donald trump they need to be taught a lesson but i would be very wary of the democrats yeah can i that's that's a great point

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and that's that's almost why i was saying like what i would hope would almost be like some outsider republican not attached to this administration you know prevails because we really don't want to give control back and just like a couple more things on that because even as as you said it it wasn't just when the obamas came out after super tuesday what they did was they orchestrated the whole thing including those mk robots you're talking about so they had buddha judge kamala harris and amy klobuchar all drop out of the united states and they're out and endorse uh joe biden and then elizabeth warren stayed in to the bitter end splitting leftist votes with bernie sanders like they completely they look we who knows what they did the only reason we know about how much they rigged the 2016 election was because the greatest journalist in modern history julian assange leaked the podesta uh emails

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and we saw the emails with the dnc we got a dnc hack and a podesta or not hack i think leak actually is what happened but we got the emails of the dnc and we got the the emails that so we found out that donna brazil was given hillary clinton the questions before the debate and we found out that the dnc was colluding on how to smear bernie sanders with this group or this group when they're supposed to be a neutral organization and so but who knows we never got an email dump on 2020. i'm sure they were doing all types of dirty stuff like that too but even just what we have in broad daylight they rigged the thing against him but so one of the the huge dynamics in america that's going on right now because even bernie sanders right bernie sanders himself is a fraud and himself is all an op it's

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you know look bernie sanders at least in effect what he did every single time was rally up a bunch of young leftists and then do his best to funnel them into the clinton campaign or the biden campaign that's that's literally the function that he served but what happens in that dynamic is what's happening with trump right now is then that huge base of people is still there for the taking like no one's speaking to them now you know but like someone else could come along and talk to them but also you know just on your your point about the fear of the democrats which we also in this moment cannot forget because it's very easy to get sucked up with the newest thing which is donald trump lying us into a disastrous war and this war is a catastrophe already so we have to be talking about that but like it is hard to overstate

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how much within the realm of american government right like what we do how much of an escalation in authoritarian behavior the democrats played not just in the dnc rigging these elections against uh bernie sanders but in a much more profound way the way they absolutely rigged the system against donald trump for both the uh the i mean we listen obviously jfk happened in america richard nixon was also framed like presidents have been brought down by the deep state before but for there to just be a cia op that is to frame the sitting president of the united states of america for the crime of treason totally made up fabricated an absolute deep state i mean it started as hillary clinton opposition research but that's not really the story the story is that the deep state ran with that and prosecute the candidate the leading candidate and then the sitting president of the united states of

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america for three years they framed him for being a russian spy before they had to admit they had nothing on him and then of course in the 2020 election i mean i don't believe any of the theories with the voting machines i've never been convinced of any of that but the freaking the biden laptop thing was an absolute they stole the election i mean like they literally took an election that would have at least swung a few points to donald trump in a razor -thin election and just stole the thing from him put this letter out with 50 intelligence officers saying this was a russian op again after prime in the country for three years to believe that and that is that is a you know i don't know i read a lot about the history of american politics and i've lived in america my entire life and i know we do a lot of

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stuff but that really was kind of unique in scale level of like no we are exerting total control and this came right on the heels of the obama administration which had essentially the obama doctrine was what really made the imperial presidency naked for the world and obama the obama doctrine the george bush doctrine was we will kill the terrorists and all the nations who harbor the terrorists and he got to define who are the nations who harbored what terrorists and he could just lie and make it up the obama doctrine was the pres the war is everywhere the global war on terrorism is everywhere and i can touch anywhere in any country anytime i want and i don't even need to pretend to get an authorization of use of military force from congress that was the obama doctrine bush went to congress for both iraq and afghanistan say whatever you will about him obama never

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even bothered never even bothered and like that stuff these are major groundbreaking precedents they should not be you know in in today's world where there's so much news every single day it's easy to forget you know the bigger picture but this is yes we should never under any situation support giving control of the three -letter agencies and the executive branch back to the democratic establishment absolutely another point sorry sorry sorry sorry another

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point that i will make is that in trump's first term you had a massive collusion between the mainstream press new york times cnn yeah and the deep state they became stenographers from the three agency agency um three letter agencies and that was surprising and i i i think very worrying as well sorry sorry sorry guys single no no i want you to

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finish your point i'm not trying to this is a good back and forth no no that was my point you you now

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have this massive collusion between the deep state and and the media and this is this this you know is a direct threat to american democracy right i was going to point out on on your point why

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i support outsiders like dan balzerian you know brian mcginnis the veteran who stood up and got his arm broken by the senator you also have people like james fishback running in florida i think mom donnie's doing a great job in new york city i think it's important to not just have complete you know allegiance to one party i think that's that's going to trap people these isms are always subverted by different federal agencies so it's better to just vote in somebody who you fully believe in but also to never trust somebody completely blindly again because again i was a trump supporter in 2016 you know you're going to drain the swamp and when he was against the globalism and against all the super pac money and he completely switched up and i agree with dave i'm i'm disgusted by that

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so well you know it's interesting just that you bring that up because you know it is the whole the whole story of donald trump from 2016 to being here in this around war is a really a fascinating story and you know just even as you said if you remember the original 2016 and i think for a lot of people like around your age sneak oh this was like a real like the coming of age moment was the 2016 donald trump presidential campaign that shook up the world and changed everything and a big huge part of his appeal was donald trump's initial message people forget all that build the wall and all this stuff that just never happened that people just forget about but one of his big things was i'm not taking money from anyone this was a incredibly popular message with the american people who had never heard this message from a presidential candidate

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and they were like well you because the earning presumably yes okay but this was happening at the same time as bernie so i guess they were both saying it at the same time but in general even bernie was going i'm raising a whole bernie would say most of my donations come in 37 or whatever you know but he wasn't exactly saying what donald trump goes anyone who's really going to possibly win to be president has to take all of the dirty money and i'm not taking a cent of it because i'm a billionaire i don't have to take any of their money so you know what i can come here and tell everyone whatever i want to it doesn't matter there was like this freedom with it and i don't know this is a real forgotten chapter in history but i always remember this because it was the first time i took donald trump politically

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serious um like i was like oh i have to treat this like there's a serious thing because he was doing really good he was ranting and raving he was he was winning in the polls but it just was kind of like yeah he's a showman um so anyway he made a lot of money and he's a showman and he's a showman someone asked him about israel palestine and where he stood on that issue and this is just donald trump in 2016 letting it rip like he i don't know he's making it up on the spot like he always does so donald trump he does the thing donald trump does where you know when he pauses when they ask you a question and you can tell he's thinking right there and then like what like he doesn't have his answer ready for this he's going i'll tell you this and like almost anything could come out

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and he goes because he's donald trump he goes i think we should be neutral we should just be neutral with israel and palestine now you guys know saying america should be neutral with israel and palestine is like to the israel lobby you might as well say we should start eating jewish babies like you you are the a monster caricature of adolf hitler if you would dare think that we don't have unconditional support for israel and we're always on their side and so he got the lobby totally turned on donald trump they were furious with him and if you can remember at this time donald trump was saying things like he was going you can't vote for rubio because he'll be a puppet of sheldon adelson like whether he knew it or not he was publicly going he'll be a tool of the lobby if you vote for him and then so in the midst of

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this controversy which may have squashed donald trump if he had not handled it he goes and gives a speech at apac and i remember being like whoa what's gonna happen here and donald trump goes up on stage and the first thing he says or damn near first thing he says is he goes i'm gonna make great deals nobody else makes great deals like me and the worst deal ever made was the jcpoa obama's around deal and they they are standing ovation for him now and i remember in that moment being like oh dude not only can this guy work up the plebs but like he can tangle and grapple with the israel lobby like he's a legit political threat like he might win and just like that's the that's the story of how they first got him in was that he went oh i know this will be the thing i say that gets the

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lakudniks in the lobby off my back this will be the thing i'll promise him and i don't know exactly where along the line he decided to also take the adelson money and also be everything he claimed marco rubio was going to be and also publicly tell us that he's that just tell us that they gave him the money and they demand this and this is what i do but it is crazy that from that pledge to here that was how the whole thing initially started and none of this happens none of this if he didn't tear up the jcpoa that was the first step to this whole conflict or the the last step to this conflict i guess there's been

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several i want to see uh is there any final thoughts or any anything you that uh the guests on the panel would like to ask each other or some concluding message that we can wrap this up with

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let's start with professor jang yeah no i mean this has been a great conversation like i love you know i i think we think alike on many many issues um and i think it's very important to have have these conversations to show how different people of different political allegiances can can align um on certain um political topics and i have to emphasize you know the best thing about america because we don't have it in canada or china or anywhere else in the world is the first amendment so whichever politician whoever says that you know we have to protect the first amendment i think we should all support

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absolutely yeah it's great a great point man and like for his for as bad as so many things are then you certainly don't want to downplay any of of it because we're we're in a dangerous spot right now as as a country but we really do still have this ability to a large extent and even some of the censorship from just the last few years has tremendously been rolled back or made much less effective than it was and you know it's it's just we we still do you know the president can be out there trashing tucker carlson and megan kelly and alex jones and candace owens and everything but like they still have the ability to snap back at him the next day on their podcast and you know like as long as we have that we really should focus on preserving it because we've lost so much else and you know that is really

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the when you lose that as the professor says there's really no getting it back the this is it's kind of an unprecedented thing that we have this enshrined as the very first um amendment to the constitution and the you know there's really never been anything quite like it before and there isn't another example of it in the world today and so the idea that you think you lose that you know the odds of you getting it back are slim to none so that is i completely agree with that whoever's on the side of free speech here always is the good guy in in my book and whoever's opposing it is the bad guy that's the people who are and i even uh you know include like the people like whining about platforming and stuff like that in there too like i don't know it's just it's a there's a crazy discrepancy you could almost divide

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the american like um commentating podcasting streaming class or whatever into two distinct categories there is one category is like you know the people who will be like joe rogan had daryl cooper on his show and why would he do that he had daryl cooper and then he had whoever you know and then oh my gosh he had this guy who was saying this horrible thing and oh my god he had tucker carlson on a show and then tucker carlson talked to nick fuentes and you know whatever it's like and then there's the people like us who like it would never even dawn on us to have that attitude you know what i mean like it's never like if you just think about it from the opposite perspective right like joe rogan has had on like douglas murray and ben shapiro and all these guys who used to go on joe rogan's show are like why

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are you having dave smith on oh my god it joe rogan has on so many people whose views i completely disagree with and it just would never even dawn on me to go why is joe having this guy on like yeah just have him on i don't know have everybody on what's the problem here like anybody who's not on the side of just like dude we got to bring the temperature down here we got to find solutions to these problems we got to be allowed to talk this through if we can't do that then we have no chance and i think it's more important than ever

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i mean literally three years ago i think that that was a an act of political violence we saw that ramp up especially after charlie kirk during this conversation i'm looking at my hands it's like i have yeah you literally i literally just now went through it like there's blood on my fingers from and on my knuckles here from something that happened literally three hours ago more people in gen z are afraid to have these conversations because they know the outcome so it's more important than ever to support these conversations and i look forward to having more panels and reaching out to more people and i think it's more important than ever to support people having this sort of dialogue and let's encourage this more because although we do have these rights they're trying everything they can to to stop us from using them oh and can i just say

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and i apologize to the professor who's i really have enjoyed this conversation and uh you're clearly a incredibly intelligent guy um so i apologize for dragging this down to the gutter for a second but i just gotta say while i'm on here what a fucking pussy bitch move man like what type of man how do you like go home and look in the mirror like you shouldn't you should be you get that shit your head and you sit down to pee for the rest of your life like just swinging a random sucker punch at a guy looking at his phone i i don't know like maybe it's my age or like the way i grew up man but where i grew up in the 80s in brooklyn and stuff there were a lot of fist fights but there was like there was a code of honor to some degree that i don't know what is

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going on in this country where it's like you wouldn't just i feel like your friends would beat you up if you did something like that just randomly sucker attack like if you wanted to go up and you were like enjoy your life bro like you're like okay let's just you know i'm like i don't in my he goes oh you're sneaker i fucking hate you and like challenge you to a fight or something or say something and then start a fight with you that's one thing but what a just weak pathetic

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move man i got maced like that he maced me right afterwards as soon as i got up he stood up and i

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got pepper sprayed all over my eyes and i don't think it was a woman's weapon it's a weapon for women i don't think it was a random guy men do not fight with mace what is wrong with you young men i'm sorry i've never felt like more of a father but like you know that's i think if it was

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something if it was a personal grievance he had i think he would have said it there that's usually what happens when people are angry i think somebody paid him to do that so i wouldn't even say that that's you know he's responsible completely for that but thank you so much for coming on professor jang and you encouraged me to have these panels i am going to asia tomorrow so uh but i will be back soon and maybe we can have more of these conversations where these panels open invitation to people watching this and i'm coming to your continent uh tomorrow okay man thanks so much guys god bless everybody and i appreciate it

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appreciate you having this conversation absolutely thanks to both of you really enjoyed it bye

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great bye