--- title: "Game Theory, Prophecy, and WW3 with Professor Jiang @PredictiveHistory transcript" description: "Source-synced transcript archive for Game Theory, Prophecy, and WW3 with Professor Jiang @PredictiveHistory." source_title: "Game Theory, Prophecy, and WW3 with Professor Jiang @PredictiveHistory" published_at: "2026-01-17" source_class: "interview" public_url: "https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/" markdown_url: "https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript.md" text_url: "https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript.txt" source_url: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY" data_url: "https://jianglens.com/data/lens/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy.json" --- # Game Theory, Prophecy, and WW3 with Professor Jiang @PredictiveHistory transcript - Source: [Game Theory, Prophecy, and WW3 with Professor Jiang @PredictiveHistory](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY) - Published: 2026-01-17, day precision - Human transcript page: [/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/) - Interview page: [/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/) - Transcript Markdown: [/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript.md](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript.md) - Transcript text: [/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript.txt](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript.txt) - Interview JSON: [/data/lens/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy.json](https://jianglens.com/data/lens/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy.json) ## Transcript ### 0:26 seg-0001 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0001` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0001](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0001) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=26s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=26s) right welcome back ladies and gentlemen this is dr david patrick carey with church of the eternal logos and i have the privilege and honor today to be joined by professor jiang shui qin how are you ### 0:38 seg-0002 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0002` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0002](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0002) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=38s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=38s) doing today i'm doing very well thanks so much for having me david well thank you for coming on ### 0:42 seg-0003 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0003` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0003](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0003) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=42s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=42s) uh i'm really excited for today's convo because as i was telling you backstage and i've discussed with jonathan over at the eschaton vigil is your political geopolitical analysis using game theory and and even using eschatology obviously um our perspective on is a little bit more spiritual but you're using eschatological narratives as a way to analyze the unfolding of geopolitical events i found incredibly fascinating and your world view aligns the closest to what our elders and what the church is actually telling the faithful right now to prepare for so that's kind of what we're going to be getting in today i have a handful of topics uh professor has a lot of things to do so we're going to try to keep it very much succinct and then he's offered to answer some questions from the audience once we get towards the end of the the conversation after the first hour so um before we get ### 1:37 seg-0004 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0004` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0004](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0004) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=97s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=97s) into everything if you wouldn't mind for anybody who maybe is not familiar with your work although you've been going all over the internet as of late who are you and why is everybody fascinated with your geopolitical analysis as of late yeah so uh thanks so much for ### 1:55 seg-0005 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0005` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0005](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0005) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=115s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=115s) you know i'm a big fan of your show and as you said um what i've been doing is doing some game theory analysis and having watched your show i'm surprised by how my game theory analysis just aligns so well with your um orthodox eschatology so is an echo in the um i'm not hearing an echo okay okay okay that's fine okay yeah so um for the past two years of a youtube and my ambition is to use historical patterns analyze historical patterns to develop a framework that allows us to make predictions about the future and i've been doing this for the past two years and i blew up on the internet six months ago because i made a correct prediction that trump in 2027 would launch a war against iran and we're seeing events unfold um and reach that climatic and so um there's been a lot of interest in my work but basically i ### 2:59 seg-0006 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0006` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0006](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0006) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=179s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=179s) just use game theory to analyze why nation states do what they do and i test these theories by making predictions that validate these theories and based on whether i'm correct or not i then refine these models ### 3:17 seg-0007 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0007` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0007](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0007) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=197s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=197s) so uh that's my approach well i've recently watched some of your interviews over with professor glenn and you and the first one the very first one of the year uh said this is the year of world war iii or that are talking about the potential conflicts that are are brewing and and i mentioned to you backstage uh metropolitan yo fatos of morfu who is a bishop in cyprus he's he is very familiar with some of the more recent saints that have reposed and passed away and so he's kind of been the leading voice in the orthodox world talking about prophecies and these eschological unfoldings uh whether it be the khazar who's ruling uh ukraine right now or various stuff like that but recently he just made a comment uh telling the faithful that prepare 2026 seems to be a potential year of tumultuous events things that have been prophesized and so um from that framework ### 4:13 seg-0008 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0008` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0008](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0008) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=253s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=253s) can you give us our macro perspective your macro perspective on the year of 2026 and then we'll get into specific events that are unfolding right now and how they relate yeah so 2026 appears to be the next year of world war iii ### 4:25 seg-0009 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0009` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0009](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0009) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=265s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=265s) is the middle of the year uh so that means that this year is going to be the next year of world war of trends that we saw previously last year so these trends include uh the larger macro economic picture where the world is headed towards economic collapse who consume and you have very few people who produce. You have the over -financialization of the global economy. It's all just a Ponzi scheme. So we're seeing this sort of like great macroeconomic picture where this Ponzi scheme seems to be imploding in 2026. We'll probably have an AI bubble burst at some point because right now you have these companies, seven I believe, that spent $200 producing these data centers and there's really no product. There's really no way to monetize these data centers. So that's very dim. But then you have the larger geopolitical picture where nations now believe that in the future, because of economic collapse, they have to consolidate trade access. ### 5:46 seg-0010 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0010` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0010](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0010) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=346s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=346s) They have to consolidate resources. And that's where we're seeing America right now, extending its empire militarily throughout the world. And that's where it's going to be in the Western Hemisphere. Recently, Trump announced a national security strategy which called for the consolidation of the Western Hemisphere under American rule, what he calls a corollary to the Monroe Doctrine. That's the Western Hemisphere. But now you also have China and Japan in East Asia. They have conflict over Taiwan Strait. And the reason why is Taiwan Strait guarantees access to the Strait of Malacca, which then guarantees access to the Middle East oil. You're seeing flare -ups in the Middle East. So Trump seems to, he basically green -lighted an attack on Iran, but he canceled it at the last minute. There are protests in Iran. So the Middle East is important because of all the oil and the trade access in the Middle East. ### 6:41 seg-0011 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0011` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0011](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0011) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=401s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=401s) And the third thing we're seeing is just the breakdown of nation -state. So you look at America, where in Minnesota, you have a lot of these ingredients for civil conflict. Right? There was this recent shooting of this model of three by this ICE officer. And now you're seeing this massive protest converge in Minnesota, which is conveniently also where the George Floyd protest happened in 2020, right? So we're seeing almost a replay of the Black Lives Matter protest. Europe right now is under siege. There is a lot of civil conflict. So European citizens feel as though they're under siege from these Islamic refugees who are escaping. They're escaping war in the Middle East, right? A lot of these refugees are from Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya. And they're also victims of America's war on terror. But the Europeans feel as though their cultural cohesion is under threat from these refugees. And response is European governments have passed these social media laws that restrict the citizens' ability to express themselves online. ### 7:44 seg-0012 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0012` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0012](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0012) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=464s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=464s) This is causing a lot of social conflict in Europe. Right. There's talk of Europe remilitarization in order to deal with the Russian threat in Ukraine. And this is very popular in Germany, very popular in Romania, and a lot of places. But it seems as though the Europeans are committed to war. And I would say another thing that's happening is just the breakdown in faith in the system, right? So right now, and you probably know this, but in America, the largest growing faith is orthodox. Right. Right. People are leaving these mainstream churches and embracing more alternatives. People are embracing more psychedelics, individual spiritual exploration. So I mean, just look at all the side. It really seems as though it's the end of days. Yes. So that's a larger macro picture. And I don't think things will come to a head in 2026. ### 8:43 seg-0013 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0013` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0013](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0013) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=523s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=523s) I think they will come to a head later on. But what we're seeing right now is an acceleration of all events that lead us to the end of days. Right. ### 8:51 seg-0014 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0014` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0014](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0014) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=531s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=531s) And Metropolitan Iofitos made a comment when the Russian -Ukraine war first began. He said this was the sort of beginning momentum of what he considered the Great World War and this coming conflict. And videos just a couple of years ago, he kept saying, you know, beloved, when Israel attacks the nuclear facilities of Iran, the now global situation, that's the first domino that's actually fallen, and it has begun. It may. It may take years. It may take months. We don't know the time or the day. But the process has begun. And so that was before June of 2025, when Israel and the US supposedly knocked out the nuclear facilities of Iran. Seems like some type of a negotiation between the powers to both avoid some type of humiliation. But now the rhetoric is getting much more intense. Trump has moved the goalposts from nuclear programs to ballistic missiles, and Mossad, MI6, and CIA are all involved in causing these protests and these uprisings in northern Iran. ### 9:54 seg-0015 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0015` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0015](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0015) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=594s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=594s) What are your thoughts on this whole Iranian situation? We obviously have the Zionists. We have the Likud. We have Netanyahu, the Greater Israel Project, of which the Trump administration is beholden to. At the same time, Trump calls himself the peace president and then is causing and instigating potential conflicts further. Now, what are your thoughts on where this Iranian conflict is? Because it seems like if you listen to many commentators right now, it could pop off any day or any week in the very near future. ### 10:25 seg-0016 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0016` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0016](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0016) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=625s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=625s) Right. Just for some context and background, if you remember about in Trump's first term, he's very much a pro -Israel president. Yes. Meaning that he moved the embassy from Tel Aviv, the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which is a no -go. The Israel lobby for decades has pressured American presidents to do so, but American presidents appreciated that this would be an act of provocation in the Middle East. So they avoid doing that. Trump did do so. Trump initiated something called the Abraham Accords, which is to create this pro -Israel alliance against Iran. And the most dramatic event, of course, is that when in January 2020, Trump ordered the assassination of General Soleimani, who was the de facto Iranian ambassador in the Middle East. And he was really. The one who was keeping stability in the Middle East. And so by killing him, basically, Trump unleashed a Pandora's box in the Middle East. And ### 11:28 seg-0017 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0017` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0017](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0017) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=688s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=688s) honestly, if he had won re -election in 2020, he would have basically declared war on Iran, because that was just the logical progression of his event. In the Middle East, if you're an ambassador, that's essentially a declaration of war. And the Iranians were now honor bound to seek vengeance on this murder of their envoy. But of course, he did not win re -election. But you know, in 2024, Merriam -Edison spent $100 million to ensure that he would win. So from the very beginning, Trump was very much a pro -Israel president. And if you talk to Israelis, many of them see Trump as the messiah. They really see Trump as the one who would fulfill the prophecy of the coming of the Iranians. And Trump himself has a replica of the Ark of the Covenant in Mar -a -Lago. Yeah, in Mar -a -Lago. ### 12:23 seg-0018 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0018` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0018](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0018) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=743s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=743s) And Israel gifted him, they minted him the Cyrus the Great coin, insinuating he was just like Cyrus allowed the Jews to return to build the Second Temple. Trump is going to then aid in building the Third Temple, which is obviously tied with all these eschological perspectives and, for us, the beginning of the Antichrist reign. Right. ### 12:41 seg-0019 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0019` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0019](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0019) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=761s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=761s) But so in the second term, all this has accelerated. Right. So you mentioned the bombing of the Iranian nuclear facilities. And so once you do that, you've basically committed yourself to war. Right. Now, there's talk among MAGA people that, no, no, no, Trump is just trying to pull off war. Because by bombing nuclear facilities, what he's done is taken the pretext for war away from the Israelis. That's just nonsense. Because if you just look at the events of the 12 -Day War, the Israelis had a plan, a strategy in motion, where they would take a bomb. They would decapitate the regime. They killed dozens of senior officials in the Iranian government. And then they launched these airstrikes. And the plan at that point was they believed that this would cause an overthrow of the regime, because they believed that the regime was a house of cards. They could not possibly expect the regime to be this resilient. ### 13:35 seg-0020 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0020` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0020](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0020) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=815s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=815s) And so Trump basically saved their ass by intervening. Now, this is important in context, because this past week, we're seeing act two, where after Netanyahu visited Trump in Mar -a -Lago, immediately, you have these widespread protests in Iran. And Mike Pompeo, he had a tweet saying, Happy New Year to all these Mossad agents who are helping to spread the protest. So it's clearly a Mossad thing. And courage will be brought in from Iraq to reinforce this. So this is clearly a color revolution playbook. This is what they did in Libya. This is what they did in Syria. So the playbook was there. What they didn't expect was that the Iranians could knock out Starlink. So Starlink was that internet that allowed these protesters to coordinate. But then the Iranians not only just knocked out, jammed the Starlink signal, but they figured out where the Starlink terminals were. So they were able to round up these local assets that were fueling these protests. ### 14:41 seg-0021 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0021` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0021](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0021) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=881s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=881s) And so in the color revolution playbook, Libya playbook, what happens is that once these protests spread to a certain point, you launch airstrikes. And then these airstrikes almost like thunder from God, which tells people, look, the mandate of heaven has shifted. And then people lose faith in the regime. But because these protests dissipated, airstrikes didn't long have any purpose. So Trump had no choice but to cancel these airstrikes. So Act II, this is Act II, it didn't work out either, which is going to lead us to Act III, which is lots of false flags where American military assets in the Middle East are threatened. And America feels its only response is now to threaten Iran. So we're just seeing a play out. But what's interesting is that the Iranian regime, from an American -Israeli perspective, is much more resilient, much more determined, and much more cohesive than they originally imagined. ### 15:39 seg-0022 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0022` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0022](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0022) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=939s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=939s) But from their perspective, this is the end of the eschatology. You know? Right. Right. And they're not going to stop. And Trump is fully bought into the idea that he is Cyrus the Great. Right. He really is. Yes. ### 15:52 seg-0023 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0023` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0023](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0023) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=952s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=952s) So I fully agree with that. Iran, their greatest allies, at least what we're told, is China and Russia, both of which are giving strategic aid regarding this potential conflict. And this is exactly what the saints of the church said, that the global powers, the way that they would divide is Persia, Russia, China, Israel, Europe, America, and so on. And that's exactly what we're seeing unfold right now. My question for you, because it's hard to really get clear insight from the media bubble here in the West of other perspectives globally, what is the Chinese perspective on what's going on with Iran? I'm not even totally sure what the relationship between Israel and China is, because you can find articles stating the opposite on both sides, that there's great relationships, there's antagonistic relationships. What is the Chinese perspective? What is the Chinese perspective on what's going on in the Middle East, specifically with Iran? And then maybe you can touch Israel in there. ### 16:50 seg-0024 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0024` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0024](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0024) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1010s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1010s) And how does Israel play with China? ### 16:54 seg-0025 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0025` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0025](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0025) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1014s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1014s) Right. So China is not eschatological. It doesn't have a religion. It doesn't really perceive the world in eschatological terms, the way that Russia, Israel, Iran, America does. Right. For China, it's a very materialistic, very political perspective in that I get raw resources, and then I have factories that employ my millions of workers to turn them into manufactured goods for export. And this is a model that it's consistently had for the past few years, even though it's proven detrimental to its own economy, because what it's done is that it's really dampened household consumption. And so China is not really a balanced economy. But the Chinese leadership, it's committed to this certain world view, where it extracts resources from the world and then gives the world manufactured goods. And Iran is a very important part of this puzzle, because China imports a lot of oil from Iran. China is Iran's biggest customer. And so basically, the Chinese regime is propping up the Iranian regime. ### 18:09 seg-0026 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0026` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0026](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0026) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1089s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1089s) But look. Look, the Chinese are opportunistic, OK? So another thing is the Chinese have a great relationship with Israel as well. And an example is, OK, I'm not going to go too much into specifics, because it's too long. But look at the Hezbollah pager attacks, right? Right. For Israel to have pulled that off, they needed to have control over the global supply chain, which means that they had to work hand in glove with Chinese manufacturers. That's the only way they could have pulled that off, OK? That shows you the level of penetration of Israel into China. I'll give you another example, OK? And this is an important example. But people say that there's this AI race between America and China. That's nonsense. It's not a race. It's cooperation, OK? And so I'll give you an example where OpenAI spent years and years and tens of billions of dollars to create ChatGPT. ### 19:05 seg-0027 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0027` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0027](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0027) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1145s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1145s) How did they do so? By stripping the internet, right? It was just grunt work. You just saw it. You just covered the entire internet. And you just extract every piece of data that you can in order to create your model, OK? Right. But then what happened a few months later after the announcement of ChatGPT is that this Chinese company called DeepSeek said, oh, we were able to create another chat model using much less money, much less computing power. And that shocked the world, OK? But the only way they were able to do that is take all the data, that ChatGPT had already consolidated, and then optimize that data to create algorithms that were faster, more, which cost less energy, OK? So in other words, they're not in competition with each other. They're working with each other, OK? So in other words, the people behind ChatGPT, OpenAI, and the people behind DeepSeek are the same people. ### 20:06 seg-0028 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0028` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0028](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0028) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1206s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1206s) And where are they based? They're probably based in Israel, OK? Right. So that's the grand geopolitical picture. So this idea of a US -China war, it's all nonsense. And we know, because I'll give you a very clear example. If these two nations are at war, why has Hollywood not produced a movie where China is the antagonist? Right. This is never going to happen. That's kind of strange. It is true, right. You know, in the 1980s, you had this stupid movie called Red Dawn. You don't have that in America. In fact, they tried to make a Red Dawn movie with China as the antagonist, the villain. And they had to cancel it. They had to make North Korea the villain in order to enter the global market. So this talk of this US -China rivalry is overhyped. China is not a threat to the United States. In fact, you can make the argument, OK? ### 20:57 seg-0029 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0029` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0029](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0029) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1257s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1257s) And I would make the argument that, in many ways, China is a colony of the American empire. And so I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it's a very complicated situation, OK? ### 21:11 seg-0030 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0030` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0030](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0030) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1271s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1271s) When you make that argument, are you talking about some of the Western funding behind the Cultural Revolution and Mao all the way from that period forward, or more of the capitalist involvement in the corporation relationships now and the sort of quasi? You know, the CCP, people call it communists. I've been to China. I studied there in two summers. It's very much capitalistic. It's not this communism that people think, the Soviet Union. It's very, very different than that. ### 21:38 seg-0031 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0031` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0031](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0031) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1298s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1298s) Look. Look. I would make it even more simpler. I would just say, the children, families, wealth of the elite in China, the people who control China, where are the children? Where are the families? Where is their wealth based? Oh, right. Where have they transferred their wealth? And that tells you who they work for, OK? I see. Yeah, great point. I would make it even more simpler than that. ### 21:58 seg-0032 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0032` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0032](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0032) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1318s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1318s) Very simple, yet to the point. Right, right. Well, you really kind of blew me away with your discussion there on Deep Sea, because I hadn't thought about the, the backdoor connections between some of these AI. Because looking at it, and some of the rhetoric coming out of these companies, they view themselves in sort of this Manhattan Project -like race for AGI, which I'm totally skeptical of. I don't think it's possible. I think it's all fiction. But they believe it, whether, at least, according to many of these transhumanists, I would include Musk as one of them. And so when you mentioned that there's coordination behind the scenes. That there's this Manhattan Project. Facade really isn't the case that all these corporations are in collaboration with each other to advance the ultimate goal that all of them has is this sort of transhumanist utopia and, you know, sentient AI. That was really inside of I hadn't even thought about that. ### 22:52 seg-0033 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0033` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0033](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0033) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1372s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1372s) But when you mention AI, you know, your video that you did on Pax Judaica, which I thought was fantastic, it really highlighted at least the astrological perspective that orthodoxy has regarding the developments in the Middle East and even the nation state of Israel since 1948. Because we theologically believe that the church is Israel because we follow the second covenant of Christ. And therefore, it supersedes the first covenant as who Israel is. And so Jews, Israel itself is sort of defined by their rejection. And when you're talking in the Pax Judaica video, you're talking about something that just a week and a half ago, Elon Musk came out publicly and said that he had a conversation with Netanyahu about relocating data centers, AI, and robotics. And he said, well, you know, we've been talking about AI and robotics for about three or four years. And now it's like in the news. And I ### 23:47 seg-0034 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0034` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0034](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0034) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1427s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1427s) pulled up multiple articles coming out of, you know, Times of Israel, Jerusalem Post, saying that Jerusalem and Israel is going to be the leader of AI and robotics moving forward. Can you explain how all this fits in the larger perspective? Because that's exactly what is occurring right now in the news, according to the people who are watching this. So even if you look at the investments, on the ground in Israel. ### 24:09 seg-0035 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0035` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0035](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0035) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1449s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1449s) Well, look, at the end of the day, it just makes sense that Israel becomes capital of this global, civilian state powered by AI and transhumanism. Right? OK, and so let's go over some of the reasons. First of all, Israel has tremendous human capital dedicated towards AI, right? So that's something called Unit 8200, which is part of the Israeli military intelligence. that unit and they start out start these companies around the world so a lot of vpns are controlled by by israelis a lot of the infrastructure are controlled by um israelis and so they're able to um really understand your dark your darkest needs okay they they they have like like they're able to pull behind a curtain and see who you really are uh and and they're doing that for like decades okay so that's number one number two is gaza right so gaza was this experiment to test out their surveillance state and it's ### 25:09 seg-0036 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0036` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0036](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0036) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1509s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1509s) proven very um effective okay that's number two number three is growth potential so libya syria um are iraq they're all destroyed right if you're destroyed what you can now do is build a utopia how by importing filipino chinese indian labor and because these are imported labor what you can do then is microchip them and control them and make them into these obedient slaves right and that and that and like and so you're transnational capital you're salivating at that prospect where oh my god this is like cheap effective labor this is virgin territory we can build as much as we want um and and we can build this um surveillance state which will allow us to control the world why because the entire world is in complete chaos if you just look at the next 10 years what's going to happen europe's gonna be on fire because of all the civil war america's gonna fire because ### 26:05 seg-0037 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0037` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0037](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0037) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1565s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1565s) of civil war uh in these days uh japan and china are gonna duke it out north korea is unstable um and and so that so the middle east ironically is going to be probably the most stable place for the next 20 years another another thing is that like okay where's the fastest growing region in the world what's africa and how do you access africa you access africa through israel right so you have russia and you you have control one third of the world's carbohydrates and you want to access the african market you have to go through israel for trade purposes is okay so so so so it makes perfect sense for israel to dominate the world actually judaica to dominate the world because of its location uh the levant has has of course historically been the most geographically uh strategic area in the world uh because of its resources all of its oil because of ### 26:54 seg-0038 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0038` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0038](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0038) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1614s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1614s) its technology because it's human capital because it's growth potential like there ### 26:58 seg-0039 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0039` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0039](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0039) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1618s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1618s) are lots of reasons right and you mentioned in that video that if u.s does go to war with iran one of the fallouts is going to be that all the u.s military equipment who do you think is going ### 27:09 seg-0040 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0040` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0040](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0040) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1629s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1629s) to get all that stuff exactly i mean it goes so you have the first situation where there's a civil war in america and if you attack iran the civil war is going to flare up okay and also america is kind of distracted by the western hemisphere as well because this venezuela thing is going to go sideways right i mean like trump has committed to controlling venezuela the venezuelan people are going to like that eventually have boots on the ground which will create a vietnam situation and then this is going to spread like wildfire throughout south america right because trump also wants cuba he wants honduras he wants um he wants everything basically um so then america's distracted over there america that fights iraq it doesn't have the resources to win this war outright so it gets bogged down and loses war stand calm then sort of that gets transferred over to israel okay and then ### 27:55 seg-0041 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0041` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0041](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0041) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1675s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1675s) america gets distracted in in the western hemisphere uh and and america is no longer the global hegemon right well let's turn our focus ### 28:02 seg-0042 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0042` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0042](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0042) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1682s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1682s) to america because one of the things i wanted to get your perspective of is the venezuela maduro kidnapping and obviously it's caused massive fallout in south america and central america and the the reactions of attending on which news source you're listening to is it's caused fear and that maybe these central american south american powers are going to capitulate more to trump due to fear of what they're able to do militarily others say that there may be a strong resistance against trump and this is going to backfire and kind of be another fiasco of military violence but i think it's going to be a big one because of course there's a lot of military involvement and taxpayer money being funneled to projects that go nowhere but what are your thoughts on the kidnapping itself uh i think it did blow people away the effectiveness of the kidnap whether you think it's good or bad or whatever ### 28:49 seg-0043 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0043` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0043](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0043) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1729s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1729s) the fact that they were able to accomplish this in one night uh supposedly to many sources kill over 300 people and not a single of the 20 u.s soldiers get injured in the thing what do you what do you see is this as the bigger perspective because one of my take aways is that this whole uh constitutional republic that america's founded on this enlightenment experiment for the last 250 years ironically in the celebration the 250 year celebration this year it seems like uh the the executive power has usurped the congressional power and you know the support for congress is so low in the united states that it really does seem like a transitional period in how the executive power functions in the united states and what the role the pre which is then whoever gets in power is going to have more and more power whether it be a democrat or republican but you ### 29:42 seg-0044 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0044` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0044](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0044) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1782s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1782s) know there's people like curtis yarvin the political analyst analyst he argues that monarchy is a superior form to democracy and it almost feels like the difference when you look at russia and putin or xi in china or the ayatollah in iran or even netanyahu in israel they claim a democracy but i mean who are they fooling um they don't have to worry about the turnaround of all these election cycles where i think what's plagued america is that the globalist oligarchs are able to pull the strings because we as the populace are so focused on the four -year election cycle and it never really matters do you feel like there there's a there's a larger ripples and consequences not just to venezuela and us occupying it and basically allowing the regime to continue but now they must be submissive to trump what are your what are your thoughts on the larger tentacles and fallout of this ### 30:31 seg-0045 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0045` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0045](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0045) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1831s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1831s) well okay so my ### 30:33 seg-0046 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0046` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0046](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0046) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1833s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1833s) first comment is is that the greeks okay specifically aristotle um believe that um the dynamic between um oligarchy monarchy democracy um i mean it's just a process so what happens is that you first have an oligarchy in elite but then the uh oligarchy becomes too corrupt so then someone from the our oligarchy like trump emerges to rally the people he can't see the debt he um implements land reform he becomes a monarchy but the problem with the monarchy is that over time becomes to corrupt as well so so the uh elites rally the people to create democracy but then this democracy then becomes too corrupt which creates an oligarchy okay which is what we have now yeah so so basically america is not democracy anymore it's an oligarchy where you know a few people control all the wealth and that's what's led to so much um um dismay and despair in america so it's it's ### 31:31 seg-0047 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0047` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0047](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0047) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1891s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1891s) almost as though people are crying for a monarch, to relieve them of debt, to relieve them of corruption, to provide leadership in this world. And that's what Trump is doing. Trump understands that it's his historical opportunity to be king of America when things are most desperate. And to do that, what he's doing is he's trying to construct a myth of himself as this great leader. And how do you create this myth? Through easy victories, okay? So Venezuela was an easy victory where clearly the elite of Venezuela, the leadership was compromised. Okay? Either Maduro was part of the deal or Delsi Rodriguez was part of the deal. Someone betrayed, there were lots of, it was pretty easy to basically bribe the elite because those 32 Cuban security that were special forces, they weren't killed by the Americans. They were killed by the Venezuelans, okay? So it seemed as though everyone was neutralized. And then Donald Ford just came in to extract money. ### 32:33 seg-0048 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0048` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0048](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0048) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1953s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=1953s) Okay? So I think that's the best explanation for what happened. But this event, from a geopolitical perspective, it was just silly and unnecessary and stupid because Maduro was willing to take a deal, okay? So the Americans went in and they insulted the nation of Israel by kidnapping the president, okay? That's number one. But they also destroyed the mausoleum of Hugo Chavez, who is almost their founder, right? And so the Americans basically engaged all this gratuitous violence. That insulted the Venezuelan people. And then they took Maduro and they paraded him through New York, as though it was a triumph. Right, they did. A Roman triumph, right? And that's just a complete insult to not only the people of Venezuela, but also the people of South America because they remember the times of Yankee imperialism and all this American interference in their internal sphere. ### 33:25 seg-0049 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0049` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0049](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0049) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2005s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2005s) That was the blueprint in the 19th century. ### 33:27 seg-0050 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0050` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0050](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0050) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2007s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2007s) Exactly. And so this cannot lead to any good things. So eventually what's going to happen is that the Venezuelan government is going to have to do something. What's going to happen is, you know, Trump thinks he's won because, you know, he says that Venezuelans must obey him because he's holding their head of state hostage or whatever, okay? But that's not what's going to happen. There'll be a general election in Venezuela. This general election will be heavily contested. And Trump will be forced to send, you know, ground forces in order to maintain the peace. And this will gradually spiral, mission creep. And this is exactly what happened in Vietnam as well. You know, Brazil, Colombia, Mexico. Mexico are all crosshairs of Trump. And look, right now it's politically popular to go against Trump, right? So there'll be more conflict. I think Cuba is next on the top list. Cuba makes the most sense because, you know, by cutting off Venezuela oil to Cuba, you will destroy the economy. ### 34:21 seg-0051 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0051` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0051](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0051) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2061s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2061s) And that makes Cuba vulnerable to an invasion or to a hostile takeover. You know, Trump is engaged in self -engagement. You know, he wants to make himself vulnerable. He wants to make himself look like a Julius Caesar, this great conqueror, but it's causing all sorts of geopolitical problems for America in the Western Hemisphere. So you know, geopolitically, it's stupid. And the problem is that there's no more check and balance on Trump's authority because Congress is dysfunctional. It's designed to be dysfunctional because people in Congress, they're almost like bureaucrats, right? They're there to become lobbyists. They're not there to serve the American people. They're there to do the five years, collect a pension, and then become a lobbyist, which is where the real money is. And the way you don't rock the boat is by doing anything, okay? So Thomas Massey is a really weird bird in Congress because Thomas Massey actually stands for something. ### 35:19 seg-0052 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0052` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0052](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0052) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2119s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2119s) He actually believes in something. But everyone else is just, you know, like a bureaucrat. ### 35:24 seg-0053 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0053` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0053](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0053) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2124s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2124s) Yeah. ### 35:25 seg-0054 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0054` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0054](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0054) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2125s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2125s) Yeah. So you have this terrible situation in America where Trump's trying to be king. But there are no institutional checks and balances on him, okay? Possibly the Supreme Court, but please remember that he appointed, personally, three of the nine justices to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court themselves are beholden to corporate interests. So as long as Trump is launching these wars overseas, as long as he's helping these oligarchs become very wealthy, as long as he's funding AI, there's going to be massive oligarchal support for what he does. Remember what's happening in America right now. Yeah. So Trump is going to become king. But also, much more problematic, there's a civil war going on between the old oligarchs and the new oligarchs. The old oligarchs, of course, are the financial elite, the financial global elite, Wall Street. And then the new oligarchs, of course, are people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, the Silicon Valley types who want to create an AI, civilian state. ### 36:19 seg-0056 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0056` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0056](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0056) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2179s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2179s) Which is why JD Vance was the VP choice because he unites those two power structures, Trump being sort of the old money, JD Vance being part of the new money world of the oligarchal powers. ### 36:30 seg-0057 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0057` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0057](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0057) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2190s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2190s) And we also cannot discount the eschatological factions that are at war with each other, right? The Mormons, the Jesuits, the Catholic Church, right? JD Vance is Opus Dei, and then you have the Freemasons, you have the 17th Frankists. So Washington is a very complicated place. And so I think this internal conflict is what drives a lot of this decision making in Washington, D.C. But I will say that Iran is what everyone agrees on. Destroying Iran is something that all of Washington basically agrees on. Yeah. ### 37:00 seg-0058 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0058` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0058](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0058) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2220s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2220s) Even JD Vance. I mean, he's been very vocal and supportive of everything that Israel's asked for. And that was one of the hopes of some of the younger generations, the millennials and the Gen Zs, is that JD Vance, at least on X, acts like he's part of the meme counterculture. But when it comes to actual policies, I mean, he's a rigmarole politician. It's the same exact thing. ### 37:21 seg-0059 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0059` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0059](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0059) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2241s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2241s) All these politicians are not just manufacturers, right? So look at someone like Obama, JD Vance. They're all curated. They've all been created. They've all been manufactured. Yes. I mean, if you actually look at Obama's memoir, Dreams of My Father, you have to ask yourself, did he actually write this? And then you read JD Vance's memoir, right? Hillebilly Elegy. It was clearly curated. I mean, it was clearly edited in a way that positioned him to be a politician in the future. ### 37:47 seg-0060 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0060` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0060](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0060) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2267s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2267s) Right. And it makes no sense why Netflix would give him a movie deal knowing that he had plans to run for Congress as Republican. That doesn't make any sense unless, to your larger point, which I agree with, this is all crafted. This has been planned for years and years. In regards to America, I want to shift your focus over to Europe. So regarding the Venezuelan fallout, there was the US seizure of a Russian tanker. And then obviously what's happening with Greenland. Denmark was just here, representatives for, well, yesterday, talking about Trump has now argued that Greenland is a necessity for US security, military security. And that it's either going to be taken by China or Russia. And this has then caused the Europeans to all of a sudden get a spine and act like they're going to fight the US over Greenland. Meanwhile, they're also posturing and wanting to fight Russia over on their Eastern front. ### 38:44 seg-0061 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0061` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0061](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0061) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2324s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2324s) So what are your thoughts on this relationship, what appears to be a precarious relationship between Trump, NATO, and the fallout regarding Greenland? Who's going to get it? Because it seems like the energy is that, yeah, we don't have it right now. But America's getting ready to get it. We're going to get Greenland. What are your thoughts on that? ### 39:02 seg-0062 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0062` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0062](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0062) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2342s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2342s) Well, America could have always controlled the Western Hemisphere, right? I mean, there's no peer competitor in the Western Hemisphere to America. So America will eventually get Greenland. I would also say they will eventually get Canada as well. I mean, Trump's real objective is Canada, right? Because Greenland is just this block of ice sitting in the Arctic. And everyone talks about the rare earth minerals and strategic access and all of that. But I... Look, I think Trump, his personality, this is his revenge tour. And what I mean by that is you go back to 2020, okay? He looked at what happened in 2020. From his perspective, they stole the election from him. So who were the conspirators? Okay. Well, a lot of conspirators were the European elite, right? So you remember that Obama visited Europe during the 2020 election and reassured the Europeans that, you know, we've got this, man. So Trump really hates the Europeans. ### 39:58 seg-0063 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0063` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0063](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0063) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2398s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2398s) They laughed at him in his first term. They mocked him. And then they conspired against him to steal that election from his mind, okay? So he really hates the European elite. And so what we're seeing right now is he's trying to destroy the European elite. The National Security Strategy, what it says is that, listen, Europe is not a reliable ally. Why? Because Europe has engaged in these DI politics. It's rejected Western civilization. True. But he's really talking about the Western European elite because he still has partners for Hungary, for Poland, for Austria, right? More government that align with his particular vision. So what he really wants to do is undermine the Western European elite. And the way you do that is by showing how toothless and incompetent they are, right? So Greenland is this showcase where, you know, these Western European countries like Denmark, Germany, England, they get all riled up. They send troops. They send troops. ### 40:57 seg-0064 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0064` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0064](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0064) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2457s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2457s) But Trump's still going to get it, and it just shows how incompetent they are. And at the same time, they're still committed to this stupid war in Ukraine, in which they have absolutely no hope of winning, in which they will sacrifice thousands, possibly tens of thousands of soldiers for no good reason. And it's going to lead eventually to the overflow. That's what Trump wants. Trump is first and foremost concerned about regime change in Western Europe, which he sees as a source of power for the global financial system. He sees it as a source of power for the global financial elite, who he sees as his real enemies, right? So remember, in 2020, $6 billion was spent to defeat Trump. And Trump still thought, I still won. But then you cheated with this mail -in balloting, with these smartmatic machines. So Trump is almost on a revenge tour. ### 41:44 seg-0065 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0065` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0065](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0065) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2504s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2504s) Well, when you mentioned that the US will eventually get Canada too, along with Greenland, what immediately popped in my mind, and something that I speculated, when Trump, after he won the election before the inauguration......is that he was already tweeting about Greenland. And my thought immediately was, this sounds like Agenda 21. This sounds like the doing away with national states and creating essentially regions of the world. And the North American region, region number three, includes Greenland, Canada, and America specifically. And then you have Mexico with the Central American region, and then South America divided up. Well, shoot, this whole thing that is occurring, that we're under the belief that nationalism is on the rise. Look at Putin. Look at Hungary. Look at Poland. Look at America. Look at Brexit when it did happen. Well, it almost seems like this whole nationalism is also being revamped, especially in the American context through the empire, to actually ### 42:38 seg-0066 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0066` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0066](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0066) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2558s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2558s) push forward the agenda of the ultimate globalist, which is doing away with nation states and creating regions for Agenda 21. Yeah. ### 42:46 seg-0067 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0067` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0067](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0067) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2566s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2566s) Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So it seems as though America will take control of the Western Hemisphere, Israel will control the Middle East. Russia will probably get East Asia. Eastern Europe. And when we establish the Soviet Union, East Asia will probably be Japan. ### 43:01 seg-0068 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0068` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0068](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0068) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2581s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2581s) So with what happened with Venezuela and Maduro and Trump, some people have been speculating that this is sort of a green light for Trump waving it at Putin regarding just ending the war with Ukraine. That if Trump is able to just go and take out leaders of nations, well, what's going to stop Russia from doing that in their case or China with Taiwan? What are your thoughts? Well, I'll go ahead and start with my thoughts on the Russia -Ukraine war, because we see still the presidency of Zelenskyy in Ukraine constantly asking for money. They have no chance of winning. They're begging for people to come fight for him, and yet they just launched a drone attack of 90 drones, at least according to Col. Douglas McGregor. He claims that he has sources that know for a fact that the CIA was involved. We know that MI6 and Mossad were probably involved. but he claims explicitly ### 43:56 seg-0069 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0069` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0069](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0069) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2636s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2636s) he knows for a fact the cia so you have this meeting in alaska with trump and putin talking about ending the war global peace and then you have the next week him propping up zielinski saying nice things about him when he was just demeaning him the day before and um then we have the u.s when trump is saying oh putin i yeah we're negotiating the war is going to come to an end soon and then you have a 90 drone attack on his home in novgorod what is going on because it sounds like trump isn't really in control of the intelligence agency which nobody would suspect he is uh it's a sort of false veneer that the trump administration's in control of the deep state it is still the deep state um and so it it appears based on what i've been hearing from putin in the last week that russia is ramping up ### 44:45 seg-0070 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0070` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0070](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0070) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2685s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2685s) for a special military force and i've seen people speculate they're going to take odessa some believe that they're just going to keep going and go all the way to kiev what are your thoughts on where the ukraine russian conflict is going giving everything else that's happening in the world because it seems like russia needs to not only be concerned with the war in ukraine but they need to hurry and get that done because on their southern flank if iran's falls well there's their whole southern underbelly is now exposed yeah and and then you have what appears to be conflicts with china regarding territories in siberia so that's over on the eastern flank so it seems like russia is in a place where they have potential conflicts and in three very different places in their empire right yeah so um i think what's ### 45:31 seg-0071 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0071` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0071](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0071) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2731s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2731s) really important to understand is that there's a civil war going on uh within the western alliance right um so in washington dc you have this massive war going on between the old oligarchs and the new oligarchs oligarchs of course of the global financial elite which is aligned with the european elite and then you have this new uh oligarchy so um like on paper it seems like trump is is in control but you know the deep state um has different factions and the deep does whatever it wants i would also say that look ever since february um uh 2022 when when the special operation uh uh special military operation was launched nato was at war uh with russia with russia right so even those ukrainian forces you just you just look at the overall picture right so when the bridge is blown up in crimea that's not ukrainian man that's nato when the north stream pipeline ### 46:22 seg-0072 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0072` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0072](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0072) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2782s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2782s) is blown up that's not the ukrainians either man okay so just to be clear it's it's always been nato right um and so what couldn't do is doing is and it's very smart it's dragging out this war because the longer you drop this war because of some cost policy the more commit how committed nato is to winning this war and that's what we're seeing nato cannot possibly give up this war and so what you want to do is you want to fight nato on your terms not on their terms okay you don't want you don't want to very quickly run over ukraine you could do that i mean the front lines um have collapsed morale among your korean forces have have collapsed at any point um you know russia could just steamroll into tf it's not that hard but you don't want to do that and the reason why is once you do that the ### 47:05 seg-0073 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0073` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0073](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0073) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2825s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2825s) europeans are able to consolidate uh western ukraine um and um and and then threaten you so you you rather fight the the um the europeans uh on the front lines of of um ukraine the um where you have a battlefield dominance okay put them in a war nutrition exactly exactly that's what you want to do you know and the europeans are you know some cost policies because they're stuck you know so long as you drag this war the more committed they are to winning this war and you know if the europeans were to announce a national draft which is which is what germany wants yeah ### 47:39 seg-0074 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0074` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0074](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0074) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2859s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2859s) mertz just said that but there's no support amongst the pot my wife is german so like nobody that's younger that have to fight wants to go fight the russians and the and the british okay ### 47:49 seg-0075 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0075` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0075](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0075) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2869s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2869s) so that's why i'm saying that you know if you're over 65 and you're a veteran well we may we may have to send you to war okay imagine that you know imagine the stupidity of that statement you know if you're 65 we might still have to send you to war and like what i mean like so so the europeans are just desperate so if you're putin you want to drag this thing out it's a war of attrition the final battle will be odessa you know and i think this is going to be the fulfillment of the third rome prophecy why because turkeys may drag into this war right because odessa you just to see right that's the sort of oscaris you need turkey on your side um and what what might happen actually is that israel and russia split up turkey where issue attacks from the north and russia attacks from the south and so ### 48:33 seg-0076 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0076` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0076](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0076) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2913s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2913s) uh turkey is broken up and that guy erdogan okay i think he's a cia asset if you just look at the way he behaves he's just if you just look at his policies it's like it's like is he working who is he working for is he working he seems like the ultimate fence setter ### 48:49 seg-0077 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0077` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0077](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0077) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2929s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2929s) he's trying to appeal to everyone but why would you do that exactly why would you do that ### 48:54 seg-0078 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0078` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0078](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0078) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2934s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2934s) knowing exactly how dangerous that region is right like you know like pick a side man um so i i think turkey is really screwed in this and and so um if that would happen of course you would have the fulfillment of third rome prophecy which is what you talk right well when you when ### 49:10 seg-0079 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0079` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0079](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0079) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2950s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2950s) you mention turkey because you already brought that up this was an article that came out yesterday who's going to succeed uh erdogan and so for the us orthodox christians this is one of the things that we've been trying to really keep our eyes on is what's going on in turkey and it seems like turkey made some type of negotiation with israel in regards to the divvying up of syria but now you have uh al -jalani the you know al -qaeda now new president of syria um persecuting the kurds and there's there's talks about where the kurds are gonna go we've been allies with the us and all this different stuff but what what do you see is the state of turkey because at one point it seems like all the states in the united states are falling like you know at least like going back five ten years ago they were very friendly with russia ### 49:53 seg-0080 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0080` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0080](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0080) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2993s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=2993s) it appeared and then they were very antagonistic to israel uh people the muslim community the islamic community was was calling on erdogan to do something to defend the palestinians he did nothing um and yet he he kind of plays to his base of the the muslim support in turkey but yeah it really never does anything and so i'm curious what are your what are your thoughts on turkey because it seems like they've made a negotiation with israel regarding syria but now um potential conflict is underway between israel and turkey um so where do you see turkey fitting into all this stuff because i think that's the hardest one for a lot of people to grok is the israel stuff the greater israel project zionism that's so in your face russia ukraine that's on the news all the time where does turkey fit into all this stuff because we're anticipating the kamalists the more pro -western ### 50:45 seg-0081 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0081` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0081](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0081) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3045s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3045s) u.s backed party to take control of the country and they're not going to take control of the country ### 50:47 seg-0082 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0082` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0082](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0082) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3047s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3047s) they're not going to take power that's what we're expecting look look i i think that turkey has always been an anglo -american project okay so what i mean by that is go back to the korean war right when russia was threatening uh the ottoman empire uh the french and the british came in but on the condition that the uh ottomans would subordinate their economy to french and british banking interests and that's what happened right basically the french and the british took over the economy um and the almonds try to rebel by aligning with the um with the germans and so the mechanism uh by which the british and the french banking interests took over uh control of our empire is what people call the dome have you heard of the dome okay so the domain they're interesting people they're the followers of someone called subprime zevi oh yeah yeah yes yes yes yes yes yes ### 51:39 seg-0083 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0083` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0083](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0083) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3099s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3099s) he believed he was the messiah who converted to uh um islam but they're really jews right right and and they work primarily in the industrial finance sector because that's what jews in europe uh do so they were loyal to these british uh and french banking interests and then the um assaulted started to align more of germany so what so what happened these dolmae financed a revolution called the young turks revolution right which brought ataturk into power and these people have always been have been in control ever since and you can argue that partigan is probably domain he probably comes from from from the latin family and they are not only in power in um um turkey but also in power in saudi arabia so um 2003 when the americans steamrolled into baghdad and they and they were able to get all these documents from iraqi intelligence the iraqis were 100 convinced that house of sod ### 52:37 seg-0084 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0084` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0084](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0084) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3157s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3157s) were crypto jews that they were sabbatians that they were uh that and and so if you think about it makes sense because you know who support the rights of the house of assad and wahhabism the right guys so you can argue like you know the the british control the entire middle east and therefore the americans control the entire middle east so um i think it's just logical to assume that if article is replaced and whoever emerges will be extremely pro -american pro -nato which is which is what the third room obviously states right you know and closing the block and closing ### 53:06 seg-0085 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0085` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0085](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0085) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3186s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3186s) the boss for a straight to your point that that's what we believe will be the the event so uh keeping our eyes out regarding that has been a bit a big one um i have a couple questions uh specifically on china that i'd like to to get your your perspective on is the first one you've already mentioned it already which is the rising tensions that appear to be brewing between japan and china oh yeah i was wondering if you could speak a little because obviously from what i'm reading it does have to do with taiwan it has to do with um shipping lanes and the ability for for goods to port in japan um but well i have a follow -up i'll have a follow -up can you explain a bit more about what this rising tension between japan and china and how that's going to settle ### 53:51 seg-0086 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0086` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0086](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0086) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3231s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3231s) itself right okay so um both china and japan are export -oriented economies right okay and they import a lot of resources from the middle east so japan is completely reliant on middle east oil to fuel its economy japan doesn't have that much oil to itself it's traditionally relied on southeast asia for its oil and now it relies on the middle east but regardless if you require southeast asia or or the middle east you have to go for something called malacca right um you and and so um taiwan is key because if china were to unify with taiwan um then china could at any point embargo japan block access to the state of malacca access to the resource of southeast asia and the and the middle east oil which would overnight destroy the entire japanese economy okay right that's the problem number one how many number two is that japan has an aging crisis yes this ### 54:47 seg-0087 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0087` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0087](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0087) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3287s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3287s) aging um nation in the world right and so if you wait too long and you just sit back like maybe 10 20 years time you're not going to be able to fight a war right right um so you need to you need to control trade you need to have control over trade access right now or if you wait too long then you're just going to die out as a nation okay and so um and so japan uh sees taiwan the issue as accidentalist okay as a threat to its very existence right the japanese prime minister takayashi has said this she has articulated this um about a month ago and that caused you know china to explode with anger because uh the uh for china um the belief is the status quo is fine the status quo is like you know like we'll pretend taiwan um is part of china but we'll let china we'll let ### 55:44 seg-0088 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0088` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0088](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0088) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3344s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3344s) taiwan do whatever it's one and they believe that with when partners attack as you said that taiwan is part of japan's vital national security interest meaning that if taiwan's ever threatened then japan will defend taiwan then you're bringing a status quo and you basically declare war so this is this is an inevitable conflict i mean it's gonna flare up at some point japan needs it for it to flare up now because you can't wait too long so this is a long -term conflict between china and japan you won't see you know from full -scale war but you'll see a lot of conflict uh where japan will be more assertive where it's trying to project more soft power throughout southeast asia where it's trying to align more with taiwan where uh japan will build up its military where it will have these local campaigns about like national rejuvenation rally the youth under the flag uh buy ### 56:39 seg-0089 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0089` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0089](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0089) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3399s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3399s) more u.s weapons uh so basically japan's gonna re -militarize which which will be a direct threat to china and and so after ### 56:47 seg-0090 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0090` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0090](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0090) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3407s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3407s) the maduro i saw multiple articles coming out in western media claiming that china is now getting ready to take taiwan how readily is china or how eager are they to take it because it seemed again it doesn't seem like they're on the brink of going and taking taiwan but i just read an article the other day that taiwan was putting out uh dynamic buoys that would blow up in case there were ships that they were coming in so it's like they were taking some type of military precaution um how hot is that potential conflict so i do not see a conflict ### 57:23 seg-0091 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0091` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0091](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0091) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3443s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3443s) with taiwan okay so so let me go over some reasons why okay uh the first major reason is from a military perspective uh planners chinese planners know they can't take taiwan because you take taiwan you need a combined uh joint military operation that combines um air um land and navy okay and chinese don't have any experience doing that americans do uh but but the um chinese don't china's primary land power in fact the most the greatest naval power in southeast is actually japan uh because it doesn't have a choice in the matter okay so so does china have the military capacity to take taiwan and the answer is no okay but let's just say they do okay they land a force in taiwan a problem you do that is now the united states and japan can come and embargo you okay they could surround taiwan you can't resupply your taiwan forces so then your all ### 58:19 seg-0092 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0092` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0092](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0092) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3499s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3499s) your forces are destroyed okay um but but then but then let's just say number two they're able to take taiwan militarily okay what's number three number three is now you force all the nations of south asia including india vietnam japan south korea okay to unite against you because now you are a military threat to the region so for these three specific reasons i don't think that um it's feasible for the united states to take taiwan or taiwan for for trying to take taiwan militarily it's not feasible even if it's ### 58:51 seg-0093 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0093` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0093](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0093) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3531s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3531s) military feasible politically it could be suicide who is china's greatest ally out of all the different nation states it has exactly one north korea north korea okay well then my second question is what is i just was reading an article about uh kim jong -un making some type of an allegiance to putin and and support for the russian military yeah um and obviously south korea you mentioned uh japan's the fastest aging demographic well south korea has the lowest birth rate in the world and so they seem like they're in an existential crisis just regarding reproduction of themselves and then you still have north korea sitting there what is the kind of the the geopolitical perspective on ### 59:36 seg-0094 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0094` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0094](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0094) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3576s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3576s) the koreas look i just say this but in southeast asia from a geo strategic perspective okay from a game theory perspective the nation that has the most disadvantages is china because it's lumbering it's too big it's a poor nation pretending to be rich it has very few resources uh china's a lot of trouble the nation that i think has the most advantages is actually north korea it's a very small unified nation that can play different sides of each other right so um the reason why i don't think in the long term this alliance between russia and china is sustainable is north korea so remember that north korea is the only ally of china but you know a couple years ago put in fluent north korea and signed a mutual defense pact with north korea saying that you know if anyone attacks north korea russia is obligated to come to north korea um uh defense and ### 1:00:30 seg-0095 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0095` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0095](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0095) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3630s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3630s) north korea sending troops over to uh fight in ukraine right about 10 000 troops and kim jong -il has announced that you know um he i mean he he's ready to defend iraq with with north korean troops um so so north korea even though it looks poor it's a dynamic energetic society where because of their because of the brainwashing basically right in our nation they're willing to kill them they're willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good and you don't have that in china where people are extremely individualistic materialistic right and very i would say utilitarian um so so i would say in southeast asia uh china's in a lot of ### 1:01:10 seg-0096 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0096` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0096](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0096) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3670s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3670s) trouble and north korea is on the rise um one more question then we'll get into the super chats because uh uh thank you so much for the hour i appreciate it so i had a question regarding uh the relationship between russia and china because the common narrative in the west is that you know the us should have just played ball with russia handled these you know these talks after the fall of the ussr differently and then we all could have got along and russia could have been embraced by the west and been incorporated into the central banking system all this different stuff but with the conflict in ukraine uh we have driven them out of china that's how a lot of people frame it um but there has been some type of uh allyship that's been established between putin and xi and their respective nations and i was recently coming across an article uh talking ### 1:02:01 seg-0097 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0097` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0097](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0097) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3721s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3721s) about what appears to be conflicts regarding siberia and vladivostok uh being changed on the chinese maps to haishin why uh what can you speak a little bit to um these potential conquests from the northodox perspective we believe that russia china iran will be these uh military forces that are united in the great war but towards the end of the war a relationship between russia and china specifically will fall out uh i'm curious could you speak to a little bit about that potential dynamic and what's already occurring both working together and potential conflict between okay so the china how china's ### 1:02:40 seg-0098 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0098` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0098](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0098) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3760s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3760s) gonna approach uh the coming crisis for the next five years it's very complicated okay uh and the reason why is that uh the demographic picture for china it's very bleak um and china has almost a mixed identity okay so what i mean by that is russia is clearly revisionist well and and and so so i mean russia was isolated from the global economy uh it became poorer because of neoliberal reforms um and so it's revisionist it want it wants to change its place in the world but china's a status whole power meaning that it benefited from globalization became very wealthy uh because of globalization okay now there are some may so even though you know putin and c are are like very close and they there's a lot of um global world view alignment the problem is there are real geopolitical tensions between russia and china i mean the first major tension as you point ### 1:03:38 seg-0099 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0099` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0099](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0099) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3818s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3818s) out is that the share border a lot of the siberian far east used to be chinese land and a lot of chinese are now migrating to the siberian far east for border control and they're not migrating to the and because russia uh the the population is declining they need that um uh resource like like like the manpower to go to go there right um then you look at belden road and how china needs to uh create this quarter through central asia but central asia traditionally has been uh russian sphere of influence okay so so catholicism is is a point of tension as well okay so you have a lot a lot of these points of tension so trump's not visited uh china in in april and i think that when that happens in 2026 you'll see this grand bargain emerge between china and america because these nations are codependent um china needs the export market ### 1:04:31 seg-0100 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0100` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0100](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0100) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3871s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3871s) that america provides it needs the american navy to grant trade access right because uh the national security strategy what it really is saying is it wants to strangle china from all trade so um so china needs to negotiate with america what america wants from china it's very simple it wants china to continue to buy u.s dollars because you know the entire army is a project scheme so i think that's a grand bargain being struck at the same time though um china will become closer to russia how because what america is doing is you know committing piracy uh in the oceans and china can't do anything about it because china doesn't have a blue water navy the russians are just interested in about it so so you know um there's this recent fellow one incident right where um the americans were trying to board fellow one eventually they did bought it okay but the right ### 1:05:23 seg-0101 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0101` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0101](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0101) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3923s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3923s) what surprised everyone was the russians fought back so what we're going to do over the next few years is build a blue water navy with chinese financing because because russia has absolutely no choice in the matter you know like like you just cannot let america control the oceans uncontested right so the three largest blue water navies in the world right now are um america japan penn and britain and so they control the oceans together so what china and and russia want to do is transform the current shuttle fleet about a thousand ships into a blue water navy that at the very least contests the dominance of the american navy and causes a war of attrition in in the seas okay otherwise america will just strangle your economy um china will work with russia to support iran in the conflict because if um iran falls then china can be easily strangled by american power right so ### 1:06:15 seg-0102 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0102` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0102](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0102) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3975s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=3975s) um to the uh east china china is blocked by the first island chain and then if you have american control iran to the west then you're basically strangled and you're completely dependent on on russia for resources but russia doesn't have the capacity to meet all of china's demands and the reality is right now china is importing a third of its food and three quarters of oil from overseas so if um the chinese economy is strangled then you will have to take the same measures as the chinese economy the chinese economy has a very strong and very strong economic structure in china so so it's weird what china is doing but again china is reactive it's passive geopolitically i don't want to be china okay i live in china but i don't be china um it's a very grim outlook for china where it's forced into an alliance with both america and china but it's a ### 1:07:02 seg-0103 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0103` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0103](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0103) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4022s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4022s) reactive alliance to meet its short -term needs you can't think strategically you can't plan ahead and say like more like 20 years time this is where i want to be because like So that's why I think that this policy will play itself out, where in the short term, China is aligned with Russia. In the long term, they'll be falling out because of geopolitical tensions. ### 1:07:29 seg-0104 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0104` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0104](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0104) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4049s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4049s) Interesting. Well, based on what you said, then, it sounds like this monetary nuclear option that's always being discussed in the West, that China is always on the verge of getting ready to sell all the U.S. Treasury bonds, and the U.S. dollar is going to collapse, and this is the sort of Damocles that China's hanging over America's head. It sounds like from your analysis that really that's not even in their interest as well because they're in a position where cooperation is the only way forward for them to survive. ### 1:07:57 seg-0105 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0105` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0105](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0105) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4077s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4077s) Look, there's a popular saying in finance, right? If you owe the bank a million dollars, the bank owns you. But if you owe the bank $500 billion, you own the bank, okay? That's the situation in China right now where because China has so much, U.S. Treasuries, America can dictate Chinese policy. ### 1:08:14 seg-0106 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0106` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0106](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0106) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4094s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4094s) Oh, interesting. Okay, so I said last question. I got one more. I have to ask you just while you're here. India. So India doesn't seem like it's a massive player right now. Obviously, they're part of BRICS, or the BRICS monetary system. I'm sorry. BRICS, they've recently claimed the status of the largest nation in the world from China. I am curious how many people are in China. There's a recent viral video here in the West of some Chinese national claiming that it's much, much smaller than what we're told it is. Curious what your thoughts are on that. But the tensions, we're told that there's these serious tensions in the Himalayas between standoff between China and India. What is the role of India? Because most of the Western world, at least here in America, a lot of people are fed up with the massive amounts of immigration. I mean, India has basically taken over entire cities here in the United States. ### 1:09:10 seg-0107 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0107` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0107](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0107) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4150s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4150s) But what is there? What is their role geopolitically as the nation? They have all these people, but they don't really seem to be a power player with other nations around them. ### 1:09:21 seg-0108 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0108` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0108](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0108) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4161s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4161s) Yeah. So, you know, I don't want to comment too much on India because I know so little about India. But I would say, you know, if I had a choice between India and China, I would take China. And, you know, a lot of it has to do with the fact that India, the population is growing. The governance structure, it's still very weak. OK, so regardless of the problems in China, there are trains run on time. OK, China, the railways. And so, I mean, like I'm just saying long term strategically, it would be China and India, probably China. ### 1:10:02 seg-0109 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0109` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0109](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0109) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4202s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4202s) Yeah, I've I studied at Zhongshan Daxue in Guangzhou. And so and then I travel to Xi 'an, Beijing, Shanghai. So I've seen the infrastructure. That was. That was in 2011, 2012. So I know that China has been built up much further since then. And that's one of the things that we lament here in the West is in America. It's like we just want money for good roads. Why? Why are we building another military base in Romania? Why are we taking out Maduro? Like, we just wanted the U.S. to invest in the U.S., which it seems like the the last place they want their money to go right now. ### 1:10:35 seg-0110 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0110` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0110](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0110) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4235s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4235s) Look, look, look, I hate to say this, but in America, we're not fighting these wars overseas. Every American would have free health care. Free. College education. Yeah, you know, America is the wealthiest nation ever in human history. The amount of money you guys have is just ridiculous. ### 1:10:50 seg-0111 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0111` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0111](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0111) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4250s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4250s) Yeah, no, I think that's exactly the sentiment of everybody. The whole MAGA movement that voted for Trump is that we thought this would make America great again, meant money back to America. But really what it means is Israel foreign policy and then making large transnational agreements around the world to make sure GDP goes up. But GDP going up does not make my life better. So anyways, thank you so much. We have a few questions that people sent in, and then I'll let you get out of here. I appreciate you spending your Saturday morning with me. First question. There are various nonpapers circulating these days showing a division on the planet between the U.S., Russia and China, none unlike in Orwell's 1984. In your opinion, are deals being made behind the scenes to carve up the global zones of interest? ### 1:11:39 seg-0112 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0112` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0112](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0112) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4299s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4299s) Yes, I look, we look at Anchorage, Alaska, right? Putin and Trump met in mid -August, right? They they had a great meeting, but we don't know what they discussed. Right. So what would they possibly I mean, Trump's a dealmaker. What is he going to discuss? Well, I think that if you're Putin, you're Trump, you have a common enemy, which is the global financial elite. Right. So I would not be surprised if there were a certain amount of coordination between Trump and Putin. And I think you're seeing this. So coordination. I think you're seeing this in the United States and being played out around the world right, right, right now, especially in Ukraine and possibly also in the Middle East. ### 1:12:18 seg-0113 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0113` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0113](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0113) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4338s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4338s) Right. Next one, Dr. Jiang, what are your top one or two book recommendations for intros into game theory? ### 1:12:30 seg-0114 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0114` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0114](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0114) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4350s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4350s) Yeah. So my my biggest recommendation is the Peloponnesian War by Fucilides. And the reason why is that, you know, he's a theory in general and he's writing about the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta. What he does, which is amazing, is he sort of steps back and look at the larger structural forces that are forcing Athens and Sparta to fight each other. And even though I disagree with a lot of his analysis, I mean, the rigor of his analysis, the details he provides, it's a great jumping point for for your own game theory analysis. ### 1:13:06 seg-0115 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0115` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0115](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0115) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4386s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4386s) MGM Studio or yeah, studies fantastic content. Huge thank you to you both. Well, thank you, brother, for supporting. Seems like Putin's slow pace in Ukraine and Trump's erratic actions around the Caribbean and Greenland as well as his recent comments regarding Taiwan are designed to weaken or end EU and NATO zone division. ### 1:13:26 seg-0116 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0116` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0116](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0116) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4406s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4406s) I agree. I think both Putin and Trump want to kill NATO. I mean, as I said earlier, Trump hates NATO. And so what you're seeing in Greenland, Ukraine, I mean, the Europeans are just looking like idiots. And then the fact that Stormer had to say that, you know, he's he's at least five years old to find us one. Ukraine. He looks like a complete moron. What leverage does Europe have? It seems like Europe has zero leverage, and yet they bark like an angry dog. ### 1:13:51 seg-0117 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0117` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0117](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0117) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4431s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4431s) They're done. They're done. That's what it is. Yeah, I totally agree. Ironically, still not good. This still does not demonstrate U.S. willingness to sustain losses like Russia has. I'm not sure what that was referred to. Professor Jiang, do you foresee a crossing of the Rubicon for the U.S., a fall of the republic and beginning of empire, so to speak? Thank you. Yeah, it's going to be a 2028 election. ### 1:14:16 seg-0118 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0118` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0118](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0118) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4456s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4456s) So, Aaron Adeson has committed $250 million to finance a Trump third term. And I wouldn't be surprised in 2028, you see a Trump -Obama match, where both are the vice presidents of their respective parties. And it doesn't really matter who's at the top of the ticket. But I'm saying that's a possibility. If that would happen, it would be a crossing of Rubicon, where if Trump were to win, it would be a crossing of the Rubicon. And if Trump were to win, it would be a crossing of the Rubicon. If Trump were to win, it would be a crossing of the Rubicon. And if Trump were to win, it would be a crossing of the Rubicon. And if Trump were to win, it would be a crossing of the Rubicon. And all, you know, political convention, all constitutional checks and balances, it's just blowing out the door. ### 1:14:48 seg-0119 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0119` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0119](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0119) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4488s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4488s) That's what I feel like we're moving towards with, obviously, the Maduro kidnapping, as I was saying. It seems like he's operating on a, you know, just totally disregarding Congress, which I get. Nobody really cares what Congress has to say or does. They're totally ineffective. But it seems like we are sort of in this new era where Trump joking about a third term now seems like really plausible. ### 1:15:09 seg-0120 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0120` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0120](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0120) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4509s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4509s) He's not joking, man. ### 1:15:10 seg-0121 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0121` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0121](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0121) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4510s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4510s) no he's not joking at all it's very go ahead okay and he also said he also told the new york times ### 1:15:17 seg-0122 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0122` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0122](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0122) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4517s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4517s) the only check on me is my own morality he did say that he did say that so no it it definitely ### 1:15:26 seg-0123 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0123` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0123](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0123) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4526s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4526s) feels like it's setting up for uh for a sort of uh monarchical political structure uh which as an orthodox i'm not a disagreeing if they were christian but not a not a zionist first uh monarchy that sounds terrible for the world uh never would have thought i would see you two together a pleasant surprise cheers to you both thank you very much um thank you dph for interviewing professor jiang and thank you professor jiang for agreeing interesting that greater land map is the same as babylon lots of babylon worship in certain areas of the u.s um he was kings um why do people act as if it is a or if okay if donald trump is opposing the dps - side of what he said and he's not right and he's not right and he's like oh come on guys deep state. He was molded and raised by Roy Cohn, the OG blackmailer, and his uncle managed Tesla's tech after he was offed. ### 1:16:16 seg-0124 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0124` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0124](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0124) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4576s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4576s) Each nation state will eat its own people. Yeah, I mean, I think clearly Trump has been involved with the oligarchical elite his entire adult life. And what are your thoughts on the Epstein fallout? Clearly, there's something going on. Now people, the magazine base is saying it has to do with protecting his donor class and some of his friends. The FBI apparently spent a million dollars just marking out Donald Trump's name and all the Epstein files that are potentially going to be released. Seems like he's more implicated in it, whether he was ever interested in children or not. It doesn't seem like he's that kind of guy, but maybe nefarious relationships with younger women or something like that. What are your thoughts on the Epstein stuff? ### 1:17:05 seg-0125 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0125` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0125](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0125) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4625s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4625s) Yeah, the Epstein fallout, it's very interesting. But let's look at what's happened because of certain release. Who's fallen because of the Epstein files? Larry Summers, who's this democratic deep state operative. You can argue he's probably more powerful than Bill Clinton, but Larry Summers has fallen. He's still disgraced at Harvard. Noam Chomsky has fallen because for the longest time, if you've thought about the quintessential left intellectual that everyone admired was Noam Chomsky. Now everyone's like, whoa, man. I think he lost credibility during COVID. Right, right. And I think that eventually Bill Clinton will be implicated as well, right? Because which individual is probably most implicated in the Epstein files? I would argue Bill Clinton. So it's really interesting how things are playing out, right? Trump is definitely trying to protect his donor class. But at the same time, the way that it's been, that it's playing out is that people who are falling happen to be Trump's enemies. ### 1:18:13 seg-0126 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0126` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0126](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0126) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4693s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4693s) So is there a grand strategy here? I don't think people should underestimate Trump. Another thing I will say is that Trump was in fact mentored by Roy Cohn, who is this notorious blackmailer. He was like the OG Jeffrey Epstein of his time, right? And so what happens if you're mentored by someone like that? Well, you basically learn how to get blackmailed, right? So look, Trump, I mean, scandal has followed him his entire life, okay? We have pictures of him going backstage into like this Miss Teen USA pageant, which he owns, when they were naked. Okay, we have pictures of that, okay? I mean, like, is that illegal? No, it's not illegal. Is it wrong? Is it immoral? Yes, but again, he's always checked by his own morality. Right? So nothing implicates Trump, and Trump is just doing this, I think, one, to protect his donor class, two, to sort of blow things out of proportion, and three, to slowly go after his enemies strategically. ### 1:19:12 seg-0127 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0127` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0127](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0127) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4752s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4752s) Right. ### 1:19:14 seg-0128 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0128` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0128](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0128) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4754s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4754s) Jonathan Kelly said, Professor, please consider going on World War Now. It's another Orthodox podcast. Mr. Fist, good stream and interesting guest. Thank you very much. Total Gravity Throwed in 20. Thank you. Thomas says, I'd argue China is too jingoistic for long -term allies. Their belief in Middle Kingdom and how they're the literal center of the universe. ### 1:19:36 seg-0129 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0129` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0129](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0129) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4776s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4776s) This is a great point. I mean, the biggest problem in China is that it doesn't really have a global worldview. China's just like, leave us alone, right? You know, like China built the Great Wall to be left alone. And for most of its history, it didn't really have to interact with the rest of the world. And there were certain periods when basically the emperor closed off China to global trade. It basically banned shipbuilding. So I think that's where China's headed, where, because of, you know, all this geopolitical conflict, eventually China would decide to turtle up in order to protect the regime there. ### 1:20:11 seg-0130 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0130` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0130](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0130) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4811s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4811s) Interesting. Thank you very much for the 10 bucks. How do you see a future conflict between Russia and China playing out step by step? Inferencing prophecies, America gets taken out. I think it meant, for instance, prophecies, America gets taken out by natural disasters. America proposes the invasion of Russia by China. China accepts. What then? ### 1:20:37 seg-0131 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0131` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0131](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0131) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4837s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4837s) Look, I mean, if you look at Chinese history, China, it's very hard to threaten China militarily. China now has nuclear weapons as well. It's too big. But the thing that destroys China is the corruption of the elite. So look, I think China's headed towards a very rough time. I don't think it'll be conquered. But look, famines are very common in China. China, again, is a very poor country, very few resources. And because for these past 20 years, we've pretended to be rich. It's over basically over leveraged itself. It's overextended itself. It doesn't have the capacity to maintain its high speed railway. It doesn't really have capacity to maintain its manufacturing sector. So if there is a global downturn, then you will have starvation in China. ### 1:21:20 seg-0132 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0132` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0132](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0132) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4880s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4880s) Wow. Last question. Do you see China ever converting to Christianity? ### 1:21:28 seg-0133 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0133` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0133](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0133) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4888s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4888s) No. And the reason why is that for Chinese history, it's always been the bureaucrats who control China. And for bureaucrats, religion is a threat because religion, it sort of energizes people and religion creates a higher authority to bureaucrats and bureaucrats hate that. ### 1:21:48 seg-0134 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0134` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0134](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0134) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4908s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4908s) No, no, I totally agree with that. Totally agree with that sentiment. And I mean, in China, Christianity has really never taken a hold. There was a brief period where during the Tang emperor in the seventh century where it had like a real privileged position with the Daqing Pagoda there in Xi 'an. It's just never, I don't ever see Christianity growing like wildfire in China. It just seems like different paradigms, different world views. ### 1:22:14 seg-0135 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0135` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0135](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0135) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4934s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4934s) I hate to say this, but Chinese love capitalism too much, man. Chinese are obsessed with money. ### 1:22:20 seg-0136 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0136` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0136](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0136) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4940s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4940s) And that was my biggest surprise when I went there as a college kid was how capitalistic it is. I mean, when you talk with the average young Chinese person that was my age, they're thinking about how we make money. How do I grow? How do I become more successful? And you walk around, you see the lights, you see the buildings. It's like, wow, this is not the way the West portrays China. It's very much more capitalistic and materialistic. So, okay, last one. What do you think of China's ships are doing in Australian waters? And then I'll let you go. Well, they're probably fishing, right? ### 1:22:55 seg-0137 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0137` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0137](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0137) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4975s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=4975s) I mean, China is just in a situation where it wants to extract as much resources as possible, as quickly as possible. That's why its ships are everywhere. You know, just, you know, basically the place. They're not just trading fishing supplies, but also that's what they're dumping these EVs. They're dumping goods in the European market everywhere around the world. So I think it's just desperation and anxiety. It's not a good long term strategy, but you know. ### 1:23:22 seg-0138 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0138` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0138](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0138) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=5002s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=5002s) Well, Professor Jiang, I want to thank you so much for coming on and sharing your time with me. I really, really appreciate this. A fantastic combo. I know you're very busy. Maybe in the future we could schedule another conversation. I would love that. ### 1:23:35 seg-0139 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0139` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0139](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0139) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=5015s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=5015s) Yeah. No, absolutely. Like, you know. I love what you do. You know, I myself am trying to get a better grasp of like Orthodox religion because I think it's so crucial for geopolitics. So yeah, I think, you know, this year's going to be really bad. And then the year after it's going to be worse. So yeah. ### 1:23:55 seg-0140 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0140` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0140](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0140) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=5035s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=5035s) I imagine there's going to be more events for us to talk about and discuss in the near future. So thank you again. God bless you and your family. Thank you. Appreciate it. And we'll talk again soon. Thanks. Bye bye. ### 1:24:07 seg-0141 - Speaker: UNKNOWN - Source ref: `video:interview-id4whhypcuy@transcript:v1#seg-0141` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0141](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-id4whhypcuy/transcript/#seg-0141) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=5047s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4WHhYPcuY&t=5047s) Bye bye.