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# Jiang Xueqin: Predictions for 2026– Trump, Iran & Empire COLLAPSE transcript

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## Transcript

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welcome everyone good evening welcome back to the show it's your host danny haifang as you can see i am joined by uh jiang sui qin he is the host of predictive history uh professor jiang it is really good to be back with you how are you i'm doing very well happy new year um good to be back yes good uh eve good happy new year to you too professor jiang let's get started uh right away everyone hit the like button uh you can check out professor jiang's work at predictive history the link is in the video description for you to check out after the show but let's get started professor jiang because we have had quite the historic moment and i know that we are just into 2026 and the trump administration the u.s empire has really lit a huge fuse uh in many different flashpoints around the world let's start with iran even

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as the trump administration has said that it has paused strikes we now have lots of news coming out that this could indeed be a very brief pause uh the trump administration told politico donald trump did it's time to look for new leadership in iran this comes as israeli media according to jordanian media citing israeli media saying that a u.s strike against iran is still inevitable and uh that it could only be a matter of timing rather than a possibility according to israel's channel 12. now professor john what's so interesting is we have a situation where the united states got so close to striking iran planes were actually in the air according to many sources and then suddenly there was a pause not going to happen trump says that iran is not going to execute people anymore but i think the truth is a lot deeper than this. Talk about where you see this going in 2026.

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Is the Iran flashpoint for the United States empire going to be what triggers a major cataclysmic global world war that we have been talking about so much on the show with you and with others? Or is there something else going on?

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Right? Yeah. So let's talk about Iran. And let's look at the chain of events that led us to today. So for New Year's, Benjamin Netanyahu met with Trump in Mar -a -Lago. And then right afterwards, what happened was that cursing speculators caused the Iranian real to collapse. And so you have these merchants who legitimately went to protest the corruption, the mismanagement of the economy. But then very quickly, these protests, these protests, these protests, started to spread like wildfire across Iran. And then the information landscape, social media, became dominated by anti -Iranian posts saying that the regime was on the brink of collapse. The mullahs had fled to Moscow. All this is just misinformation. And then you saw some protesters who were clearly provocateurs. They started to kill police officers. And then like Pompeo, who used to be Trump's Secretary of State in his first term, he tweeted out that he wished a Happy New Year to these Iranian protesters.

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He believed that regime change was imminent. And he also wanted to greet those Mossad agents who were working alongside those protesters. So he basically let people know that this is in fact a Mossad -CI operation. And then you had these diplomat families, Russians, who were fleeing. And then you had these diplomat families, Russians, who were fleeing. And then you had these diplomat families, Russians, who were fleeing. And then you had these Israel and the Middle East. And then you had these military assets of Americans start to evacuate the Middle East as well. So it seemed very likely that a military operation was imminent. But then what happened next was that the Iranians were able to jam the Starlink terminals. They basically shut off the internet. And then they were able to locate the Starlink terminals and thus able to locate all the Mossad assets working within Iran and

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prove that negative. And then the Iranians were able to take hold of the center of the Thakir and the Security Service. And for some reason, they were able to get out of the air strikes. strikes right and the airstrikes are are meant to sap morale of the security services they're meant to sway public opinion they're meant to create this merit narrative that the regime is about to implode the problem though of course is that the iranians were able to step out the protesters and um therefore the airstrikes were no longer relevant and that's why trump had to cancel the airstrikes because uh it would have been an active publication without any any without without any significance whatsoever um and and and so that that's what happened but you know the reality is that if they've launched a color revolution playbook it just means that they are committed to regime change so um i expect in

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the next um few weeks there's gonna be a lot of misinformation uh in the social media sphere okay which includes false flags right so remember that um during the syrian civil war uh there was this misinformation this campaign that the syrians had a chemical attack in in syria which swayed public opinion and which justified um american military assistance to the rebels the insurgents in the civil war so we can expect something similar to happen as well in iran these people are not very creative what you saw happen in libya and syria is exactly what's going to happen in iran as well what they are missing is the fact that this government in iran it's much more resilient much more resourceful and um much more determined than either the libyan and the syrian regimes so i think that um you know we're heading we're heading towards a period of massive tension in the middle east and

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as time becomes and as the americans and this will become much more desperate you have false flag attacks um and you have more airstrikes um and the big question is whether or not trump will use ground forces you know i think it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's because um if iran were to close other straightforward moves then trump would have no choice but to send in ground forces and that would basically initiate world war iii because it would draw in china russia into the conflict on the support on the side of of iran and then america would go for would go all in uh into iran so that's so it's a very bad situation i think like not this year but definitely um very soon uh either next year or the year after yeah yeah

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no it definitely seems like there's a big connection between uh what we've been talking about professor john which is the collapsing american empire and this descent into a world war iii scenario which i think you're exactly right iran represents this in a huge way there was a big article in the washington post uh today actually talking about how was confronted with the limits of u.s military power in making this decision and what's so interesting is after he's claimed help was on its way uh what ended up happening was uh that he wasn't going to get this article actually cites he wasn't going to get an operation like venezuela which is what he supposedly really wants he was actually going to get something a lot messier this is according to a u.s official who is briefed on the planning that was going on around the strikes but what's also so interesting is that jd

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vance there is a lot of psyops going on too professor john jd vance said this he said uh he supported strikes on iran according to these officials who were close to what the white house was doing vance reasoned that trump had drawn a red line and had to enforce it now i don't know if you remember professor jung uh it wasn't too long ago that uh vance we were being told was urging trump to deploy diplomacy so this is part of i think the psychological operation that's being done uh to us to uh confuse us but what's the reality here how much did iran in particular its own in terms of game theory its own military capabilities play into this you mentioned starlink that was a huge deal and uh you know i tend to think that when you have planes in the air kind of scouting out the situation and then they don't do

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anything they found they knew something going to happen that wasn't going to go too well for the u.s empire what's your take

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right so first of all trump is first and foremost concerned about optics right so he is a reality tv star um he spent most of his adult life um in the media uh either as a celebrity being reported on by tabloids or himself being a reality tv star he had um you know a hit show called apprentice on nbc for over a decade and it was really the number one uh show on tv for the long longest time so he's really concerned about opinion about cleaning optics that the america is invincible and that's why for him venezuela was such a great success because delta force was able to go in um extract madaro and there were no casualties and that just showed america and the world that america is the uh most powerful military in the world but if you look at um you know the recent past a much more indicative example of american

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military power is operation prosperity guardian that's when the hoofies closed the the red sea uh in protest of the uh genocide in gaza and uh america deployed this massive fleet to um you know strike at the houthis the houthis at this point remember they are poor so their navy consisted of sailboats and fishing vessels and you know if you saw the videos um of operation really impressive you know these warships backed up by helicopters and fighter jets and everyone thought that wow the americans are going to go in and smack the houthis and then you know they tried this for months and months and they got nowhere because the hoofies refused to give up and the americans aren't actually used to fighting a war against an adversary who refuses to give up they used they're used to um shock and awe they're used to scaring people and intimidating people with the with the display of

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their military and the americans refused to take casualties so they didn't send in ground forces and the hoofies were able to i believe even sink an american ship so it was a disaster for the american military and you know there was this huge um debate among the american military as to what to do you actually watch these panels they're all actually on youtube you'll hear these four -star generals and admirals go on and say you know like we recognize the limitations of american power in the red sea we're not willing to make sacrifices we're not willing to accept casualties we want a cheap and easy win um and so we need to reflect on how to improve and then someone in audience asks what are you gonna do and and the response has always been well we'll think about it you know and then the next question is what are you gonna what are you

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gonna do that's gonna be different and the generals and admirals were like nothing well we're gonna keep the course okay so that's the state of the american military the american military is not in a position to win a full -scale war again it's an adversary uh that's willing to fight back okay they definitely can't win a war in russia against russia we know that because of what's happening in ukraine um they can't even win a war against the houthis so um so you know this war against iran will be a disaster and trump knows that so he's trying to hold this off as much as possible at the same time because of the nature of empire you're committed to fighting this war the reason why is that um the way to control public way to control the globe as an empire is through intimidation right for the fact that we can strike at you at

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any place at any time and they were able to do that with um with operation um iraqi um uh freedom into us 2003 you know shock and awe that intimate the entire world but then in 2000 2022 the russians attacked ukraine and the americans were not able to stop them so so now the aura of american invincibility and inability has dissipated and america needs to re -establish this by taking on iran and showing that america still has what it takes okay that's number one number two is that geopolitically iran is the pivot point of the world it always has been um and the great fear is that russia iran and china will link up together and create a trade path um that can negate american sea power right so basically russia iran and china through the breaks is able to trade in themselves they're able to use their own currency called the unit um and

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china is able to build railways connecting uh eurasia with africa and then basically the entire american navy is negated america is blocked out of of this training block the american economy collapses because the american economy is upon this scheme so for a variety of reasons the americans have actually no choice but going to iran if they let iran as it is then china and russia control um basically the entire world and um and and so america is stuck where it is it can't win this war but it has to fight this war anyway

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and how do you see them fighting this war because if we go by game theory it would seem that there are many drawbacks to getting into a major confrontation with iran even minus a full -scale invasion that includes what the u.s political class always calls boots on the ground the telegraph had this piece uh how iran's military power made trump think twice and it shows a map of how it's even just its short -range missiles which it has hundreds if not thousands of these short -range missiles essentially have the ability to cover its periphery all you know from all corners and this includes valuable uh valuable bases that the us keeps in the region for sergeant so how how does this war actually look and is it going to happen in 2026 we are only still in the early period of this year and as of right now the whole the the trump administration

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the israel israelis they're all saying no no this isn't a permanent stop this is just a temporary pause it's a matter of when not if okay yeah

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so uh let's game theory of this war um between the united states and iran how it might play out so Americans, their entire military strategy, regime change, rests on three pillars. These three pillars are propaganda, bombs, and US dollars. Propaganda means that the Americans control the entire information landscape. They're able to create this narrative. Everyone buys into this narrative because the empire controls the medias of authority, including the New York Times, CNN, BBC. It controls YouTube. It controls Facebook. So the Americans are able to inundate the information space with propaganda. We saw this actually with the Ukraine war, where in the first few days, social media was actually convinced that Ukrainians would destroy the Russians. There was this meme called the Ghost of Kiev. I'm not sure if you remember that, but the idea was that there was this one plane, one fighter jet in Kiev knocking down five or six Russian MiGs. It was just complete nonsense, but everyone bought into it.

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That just shows you the power of American propaganda. So that's propaganda. We'll see this a lot where for this entire year, it'll be nothing but propaganda. Basically, you just have to shut off social media because 99 % of what you see on Twitter, on Facebook, on YouTube will just be complete nonsense, right? The media will be focused on how corrupt the regime is in Iran, how popular protests continue to spread throughout Iran, how the Crown Prince, Reza Pahlavi, he's this charismatic man who will restore Iran to its former glory. So it'll be nothing but complete nonsense throughout social media for the next year, okay? I guarantee you, that's propaganda. Then bombs just means that America will use its air supremacy. It has air supremacy throughout the world for some quick strikes, okay? Very similar to Operation Midnight Hammer when they hit a bunker, a military bunker, and it did nothing whatsoever, okay?

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But for propaganda, they were inflated. They will show how the security of American air power, okay? So that's bombs. And last thing that's most important is US dollars. The idea here is that they're going to use US dollars, US dollars to buy out groups in Iran that might be opposed to the regime. This includes dissidents who have always been there. This includes ethnic minorities, like the Baluchs in Iran. This also includes insurgents in Iraq, so the Kurds. So there was a Kurdish incursion into Iran. Turkey provided some intelligence and the Iranians were able to wipe out these Kurdish insurgents. But expect more of that, okay? So basically, America is trying to print as much US dollars as possible and bribe both the security services as well as insurgents to undermine the regime as possible. So this is what I believe how the war will play out over the next year.

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So the war is ongoing. It's already happening. It's a shadow war. We really don't see it, but this is part of America's color revolution playbook, okay? So that's the American side. Now, the thing about Iran is that it's not all like Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Nepal, where the color revolution playbook was employed in a very successful manner, okay? So there are three major advantages that Iran has, okay? The first is faith. These people are Shia and their leadership are clerics. And it's hard for Americans to imagine this, but these clerics who control the country, they can actually sit in a room and meditate for decades, okay? I mean, they're not corruptable. You know, you can't just bribe them and they'll go away. These people have faith, and they're able to inspire millions of their followers. The Shia also are eschatological, meaning that they believe that they have a mission to save the world, and they

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believe that the Rezaa, the 12th Imman, will come back, the Mahdi, and will defeat the Antichrist, which which is America, okay? So these people have faith. They're willing to die for what they believe in. That's hard for Americans to fight. okay that's one faith second problem for america is terrain where iraq um um syria libya they're deserts man so it makes it makes a perfect place for airstrikes okay there's nothing with with with aero supremacy you can destroy uh the opponent's military very quickly iran is a mountain uh it's it's it's a mountain fortress it's always been a mountain fortress and so it's it'll be very hard for america um to intimidate iran militarily basically the airstrikes won't do anything in um in iran so terrain is a huge problem it's also a huge country it's um three times the size of iraq and america doesn't have the logistics uh um capability to actually invade

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uh iran if you talk to any american military experts they'll tell you like like we've never figured out how to actually land forces in uh iran and we supply them okay so so there's gonna be tremendous um descent within the america within the american within the american military they're gonna pose an iranian invasion because they think it's just gonna be the stupidest thing in the world and they're right it'll be suicidal okay so terrain is very important the third thing that's uh very important is just decentralization meaning that in theory the the alatola kamenei is a supreme leader but really the expectation is huge because if you can give the iran people the power或者 being the supreme leader if you can give them the power and they want uh they're going to prop up the empire um of which they're better of um there's a more complicated thing the first thing that came to your

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brain when you look at direction the burayauate uh where do you really want arrive in to iran because you know where are uh you can jump out you can have a long climb you can be in iran it's not when you live in armorany in to very quickly in about two weeks time strike at baghdad shut down the leadership and entire country fail okay you basically cut off the head of the snake you can't do that in iran because it's a decentralized uh regime where local where local molars have control have religious authority so even if you control 90 of the country you still have the 10 that's going to resist you to the bitter end and from american's perspective that we are nightmare situation just like um vietnam now okay so so so so let's summarize okay so the americans have three major advantages they have um bombs propaganda and us dollars but the

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problem is that it's negated by iran's three major advantages which is faith terrain and decentralization and so from a game theory perspective this war that america wants to fight against iran it's not winnable it simply isn't

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yeah and the trump administration uh though uh continues to and donald trump himself continues to focus on this uh decapitation on leadership uh saying literally that now there needs to be new leadership because what uh what is being said right now professor jung is that uh the ayatollah khomeini the supreme leader uh is blaming the us and israel for the violence and the riots that occurred in iran and you just outlined from starlink that's elon musk how did that get into the hands of these rioters uh that was jammed and then of course uh you have uh the fact that you literally uh prominent israeli media journalists quote unquote saying that uh they were arming israel was arming the rioters you had mike pompeo saying that most odd agents should be saluted alongside the rioters all the evidence is there professor john but yet it seems to me that there's a constant need to justify

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uh a coming strike and so i so i this strike is going to happen in 2026 no and and what do you make of these accusations and these claims now you know

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it's this classic color revolution playbook where you where you control the information space okay and so um they're so they're talking to the domestic audience right so these release are talking to their own people and saying you know we have this you know um we're going to win against them um and and so you know you you have propaganda for your domestic audience and your propaganda for everyone else which is like we have nothing to do with this but look this is called revolution playbook everyone will brain knows that um the following script that these protests maybe they were organic to begin with but their spread has been inorganic and the violence against security services you know the killing of dozens of police officers which has been confirmed again by the english security and then obviously the the yahoo the yahoo virus and that type of stuff but i'm just wondering what the playbook is

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and what's happening and are they working on

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behalf of the seo and the cia yeah and uh it's it's just so clear now professor jong uh what the playbook is as you said where does iran fit into this larger picture then because there is uh a situation that the united states is facing that even the media the mainstream media is talking about which is the us military cannot do everything at once talking about the hot spots talking about the hot spots around the globe mean heightened risk that any talking about the hot spots around the globe mean heightened risk that any retaliation succeeds referencing iran but really talking about the whole world and how the u.s military is indeed everywhere professor zhang and uh it just so happens that one of the main reasons why a strike didn't occur was because the israelis supposedly said we don't have enough air defenses rebuilt from the 12 -day war uh provided to us again

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and there aren't aircraft carriers here to support a long -term strike because a lot of them have been moved to the caribbean or remain in the pacific uh so how where does iran ultimately fit because last time i checked the national security strategy professor john said that uh the u.s empire is supposed to be controlling the western hemisphere and moving out of this region and yet here we are talking

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about iran right so i think first and foremost there's this misinterpretation of what the national security strategy says okay i've read it where does it say that america is going to retreat back into the western hemisphere and leave you know asia and europe to other powers okay create create what's what i call spheres of influence no one doesn't say that okay what the national security strategy says is number one that america will no longer abide by these liberal multilateral organizations like united nations which has hampered american power okay so america just thinks that these organizations that basically justify the american empire are useless and now it will just be might is right we will act you know you know unilaterally we will act what is what will be in our best national self -interest okay that's number one number two is that it states explicitly that um the western hemisphere belongs to america okay this

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is what's called the trump corollary the mineral doctrine or the dawn road doctrine okay it states that very clearly uh number three is that um it will strangle china economically all right so um the idea is you can't fight china in southeast asia militarily that'd be suicidal you're fighting you're fighting china on its home front so what you do is you blockade china economically okay so that means basically can you control the western hemisphere and cutting off valuable resources to china which includes oil of course but also includes lithium copper and silver which are crucial for high tech okay including solar panels um ai evs basically you cannot have a high -tech industry without these rare earth minerals and these other critical minerals and most of these actually um mineral supplies comes from the western hemisphere okay so that's number one number two is that um actually united states will contest china in africa as

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well um china is gaining a foothold in africa mainly because china is actually building up the infrastructure of africa and africans like that but what uh the americans say is that no we will not surrender africa to china we will challenge uh china in africa number three is the idea that from an american perspective if you're an ally all your resources all your men power all your wealth belongs to america um it implies that international security strategy which means that essentially japan is a vassal state to america both south korea and west and japan are vassal states it also means that all these like billions of dollars that japan has to invest in is a vassal state to america so that means that all the money that japan has in u.s treasury holdings it actually belongs to america okay it's not japanese it doesn't want the japanese people it belongs to to america so

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so the national security strategy um outlines how to maintain the american empire and how the american empire needs to um transition from one of one focus on soft power on building you know consensus on multi -lateral organizations one of hard power of actually using its military power to project forth by strengthening china maintaining control of actually using its military power to project forth by strengthening china maintaining control supply lines um and the other thing that national security strategy national security strategy says that's very important is it basically gives up on europe um it's saying that europe strategically is not valuable to europe uh to united states why because number one it's an aging population so they don't have much manpower it doesn't have any resources uh it's it's a welfare state dependent on american military protect protection um and the europeans are folks are to focus on to focus on world politics um and and

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and so um the national security strategy um calls for either the betterment of europe or the or the undermining of western europe in favoring the rise of right -wing regimes in uh eastern europe that would be much more amenable to american power which include poland hungary austria okay so so that's what the national security strategy says and once we understand what the national security strategy says then what's going on in the world why uh trump is um you know um doing what he what he's doing in the caribbean why he's doing what he's doing in iraq a lot of it is to maintain the american empire and a lot of it is to strangle china economically uh to basically blockade um china so you know china is blockaded um on its eastern front by the first island chain uh and that's why it doesn't really have blue water navy and if iran were to fall law, then China would be blockaded on its Western front as well.

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So a lot of it is geared towards China. I'm not saying this is the primary reason, but I'm saying that China is a consideration. So this is a strategy. The problem is that it's schizophrenic and it's confusing because why are you sending a third of your naval assets to the Caribbean to bomb fishing vessels and to kidnap Maduro? And at the same time, you are calling for regime change in Iran. From an American perspective, it's insane what America is doing. And a lot of people didn't believe that Trump would actually strike Iran because the naval assets weren't in place yet. They had to get the ships from the Caribbean all the way back to Iran. They had to go back to the Middle East. And if you keep on doing this, you're just going to exhaust the military. The military just can't move back and forth on a whim.

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It takes months of planning. It's extremely expensive. These sailors need rest. Trump is just going to exhaust the American military. Trump is not a planner. Look at it this way. He had the most successful TV show. For the longest time, The Apprentice. So he's very good at creating TV ratings. At the same time, every business he touched, whether it's casinos, whether it's restaurants, he bankrupted it. So this is a guy who's concerned first and foremost about optics, doesn't really care about fundamentals, the fundamentals of business, the fundamentals of military. That's why I think in 2026, it's just going to be exhausting where, okay, we know what he's trying to do. But it doesn't make any military sense. Strategically, militarily, geopolitically, it's just idiotic. Why are you pissing off the Europeans who are your allies? Why are you threatening the Canadians who are your allies? Why are you saying, I'm

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going to go regime change in Iran when you don't actually have the military capacity to do so and your generals tell you we can't do so? Why are you kidnapping Maduro, which is a direct insult to the sovereignty of the South Americans? So none of this makes sense. Okay? But again, the problem is that Trump is first and foremost concerned about optics. Looking like a great conquering hero. So he's interested in cheap, easy wins, okay? Such as Maduro. Greenland will be a cheap, easy win for him, and then Cuba will probably be a cheap, easy win for him. He's not interested in these long protracted conflicts that might backfire on him. But what he's doing is really delaying the inevitable, right? Because eventually, you're going to have to go to war in Iran, and the further you spread yourself out, it's like what we'll call imperial oversight. The weaker you're going to be in this final boss fight with Iran, which is going to happen sooner or later.

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So what's happening in the world, it's just moronic.

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Yeah, well, maybe we can game theory this imperial overstretch because that's exactly what the Atlantic piece that I have here talks about. And Professor Jiang. We talked about the US military. The US military not being able to do everything in these hotspots. How does the entrance of a possible full -scale war with Iran now factor into this? How does it change this? Because it wasn't too long ago where we weren't really talking about, again, a full -scale war with Iran being imminent, and now there's a lot of momentum, a lot of pressure into doing so. But we have talked about the Venezuela situation here, the kidnapping operation. It hasn't led to full regime change and has angered Venezuelans. They are in the streets every single day showing how angry they are about that. There is a large military presence, naval presence in the Caribbean that is very expensive and doesn't really seem sustainable. And then,

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as you have pointed out, isolating China and maybe to an extent Russia, but if we look at China, all of these flashpoints from Greenland to Venezuela. I mean, that's a lot. But if we look at Venezuela to Iran, if the U.S., if the Trump administration only optically succeeds, from my underestimation, China isn't really interested in optics. They're interested in actually doing business and getting things done. Seems like these operations that are so focused on optics could actually serve the opposite purpose, which is to isolate the U.S. more. What do you think? Is the U.S. going to become more isolated, the empire, in 2026 as it pursues this? This chaotic, you know, this chaotic agenda?

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So I think like the best historical analogy for what's happening today is the Peloponnesian War. It's a book written by Fusilides, who is this Athenian general who was trying to analyze this 30 year war between Sparta and Athens that really destroyed the Athenian empire. And he goes on and lists the mistakes that the Athenian empire made in order to doom itself. And it's the same mistakes that the Americans are making as well, okay? So after the Persian Wars, Athens came across as a savior of the Greek diaspora, okay, across the Aegean. And so it's very similar to, you know, how after World War II, the Europeans thanked America for saving Europe from fascism. But the fear among the Europeans is that the Americans would abandon Europe like they did after World War I. So they created NATO. And the idea of NATO was to ensure that America would always have a military presence in Europe and defend Europe against the Soviet Union.

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And you could argue that as part of this deal, they created something called the Bretton Woods. Okay? And the idea of the Bretton Woods agreement is that the U.S. dollar would become the global reserve currency to facilitate global trade and to ensure that the Americans would not abuse this exorbitant privilege, the U.S. dollar would be paid to gold, okay? So that was the agreement after World War II. Probably since 1971, America was bankrupt, okay? America had spent billions on fighting this pointless war in Vietnam. America was funding the Great Society, Lyndon Johnson's Great Society, which was a great program for Americans, but which was also bankrupting America as well. America had spent billions on the space race as well, sending a man to the moon. So by 1971, America was bankrupt. So Nixon basically said, you know what? I know we promised to pay everyone back in gold in exchange for U.S.

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dollars, but you know what? Forget that. Forget that. Where U.S. dollar will not be pegged to anything, okay? So too bad. Just imagine U.S. dollars as a tax you pay in order to be free, okay? And after the Soviet Union fell, everyone had no choice but to buy into the system, right? And this created over -financialization in the U.S. economy. It allowed the rich to get richer and the poor to remain rich. And then basically, America became very lazy and shifted its manufacturing to China. And because of all this, we are in a situation where we are today, where basically America is living off rent it collects from the rest of the world. It basically colonized the entire world, and the mechanism it's able to do this is, of course, through the U.S. dollar. And this doesn't work fine until 2022, when Putin invaded Ukraine and showed that he's willing to challenge America.

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And not only that, but the Americans used their financial system, they weaponized the financial system in order to sanction Russia. And the classic example, of course, is Schiff. It's Swift. Swift. It basically knocked Russia off, Swift, and it sanctioned Russia. But it failed, and it showed that the U.S. financial system isn't as powerful as you imagine. The other thing that America did, though, which was really stupid, was it basically seized $200 billion in Russian assets. So this is money. that the Russian central bank had stored in Europe and America and basically America said nope it belongs, you can't touch it anymore. And this caused massive panic around the world because if you put your money into America you do so because you think it's protected by law and if America can just seize your money for any reason then people are not willing to put their money into America anymore.

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So this caused the Japanese, the Chinese, basically everyone to start buying more gold and exchange their US Treasuries for gold. So basically another way of saying this is that America is this corrupt empire that insists on collecting rent from everyone. People are sick of paying this extortion and they're rebelling against this and so America is using force. Okay? And this is the same thing that the Athenians did back in the Peloponnesian War and it turned these allies into vassal states and eventually into enemies as well and that's what we're seeing happening in Europe today where these former vassal states are now, now have come to see that America is actually a real threat to their peace and prosperity, not Russia. But the other thing that's really interesting about all this and it's really interesting okay is that while this is happening, while America is finally stupid. Sorry, while the Athenians are fighting these stupid wars overseas, the Athenians also engage in a civil war.

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Okay? And the reason why is you have this massive oligarchy that comes into being due to all the corruption and this oligarchy creates like they are fighting amongst themselves for status. And we're actually seeing the same situation in America where if you think about it, what's happening in Washington is actually a civil war between the deep state establishment that's financial. Which is Wall Street and making the power through the Clinton or Obama years. Now what Trump represents is the sort of like the new money, the Silicon Valley, AI, surveillance state elite. Okay? As embodying the people like Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Sam Altman, Palantir, okay? So that's the conflict that's happening and I think that a lot of this domestic business, this conflict in America, it's driven by this deeper divide within the oligarchy. So this pattern we've seen before, okay?

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And it leads ultimately what? It leads ultimately to one, revolution in Athens. It leads to two, the entire world unifying against Athens. And three, it ultimately leads to the defeat of Athens. So I think a similar pattern will play out today. Where there's a civil war or revolution in America, where the entire world unifies against America because they see America as a greatest threat to world peace. Number three is that this will lead ultimately to the demise of the American empire.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we are now, we already have two flashpoints in 2026 that have already exploded in many ways. We have Venezuela and then Iran and Iran is not done. Neither is Venezuela. Venezuela, which from my estimation, Professor Jiang, the Trump administration essentially conducted a kidnapping operation, left the same government in power and has now millions upon millions of people who support the current government in Venezuela, very angry that their leader was taken from them. And in a context of a regional situation, which I've said this on the show, Professor Jiang, the regional situation in Latin America and South America was not necessarily unfavorable to the United States. And that's because the government was heavily influenced by the West. about what you think it will look like before this? And I know that you have opinions on where that's going to go. So in terms of the future of the American empire, this is a major focus now between Iran and Venezuela.

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How do these two contexts then you know, kind of build the future of the American empire or lay the foundations for the future of the American empire in 2026?

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Okay, well, let's give Trump the benefit of the doubt. Okay. and let's say like there's actually a strategy here and and like the end game of course is iran okay america has to go invade iran at some point now if you invade iran there's a huge problem because iran's going to cut off the street of hummus and it's going to collapse the east asian economies of south korea uh japan china china depends on 50 of its oil imports from the middle east um so so if if there's a war going on and this war could last for years and years right how do you compensate for the fact that these southeast asian economies their economy is going to collapse and they'll be dragging the war as well well okay you can use venezuela and north america united states canada to compensate uh for the loss of oil in the middle east right so that's why

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you need to secure venezuela um because you're anticipating this massive conflict in the middle east and so you you need to modernize the venezuela oil industry uh in order to ensure that these east asian economies uh don't implode and they're not dragged into the war especially japan and china and and and south korea so that's the uh strategy okay the problem uh with this is that you assume that the people of venezuela are just going to sit back and let you steal their oil and resources and let them in and and um allow uh for trump to impose uh a government a regime that will only obey the um the americans you know it's not americans have a long memory of uh much despised yankee imperialism right like you know thousands tens of thousands of people were killed by these military uh juntas controlled by the cia right so so chile is a classic example

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where the democratically elected government led by uh allende was overthrown uh by general pinochet who was backed by kiss kissinger and the cia so some americans do not like um american interference so what what what this is going to do even though it may make long -term strategic sense um it's going to piss off the south american people it's going to rally the venezuelan people um you know eventually in venezuela in a few months time you're going to have a general election this general election will be heavily contested and america will be forced to send boots on the ground in order to maintain stability in caracas and then and then this will i understand like geopolitically it doesn't make sense what's happening in venezuela right um but but the way that it's being handled uh is that eventually you have mission creep and eventually you'll lead to a situation like vietnam um and and it's

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going to exhaust the american empire so another thing saying this is in a short term in a two -year time frame all this makes sense and americans will feel that you know trump has control and trump is like this great conquering hero who's a great commander the empire now is going to a compromise of verl cewe SCC the empire in a long -term is going to suffer tremendous blowback not only venezuela but throughout the caribbean and throughout latin and south america so it's really the end of empire listen the americans could have done this at any point okay in fact even like in one day america could just go and topple every regime in south america they had that military capacity you don't do that because it's retarded because it's suicidal because you just piss off people you're pissing off hundreds of millions of people you're unifying them you're giving them a reason to fight

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to fight against you

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you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you said there's a long history, Professor Jung, of this kind of behavior pissing off people in South America, Latin America, the Caribbean. Now, the Trump administration, the United States, they're not ones to hide. And I think this is a big problem for the American Empire. They're not ones to hide how exactly they want to do things. And we've heard repeatedly from the Trump administration with regard to Iran, for example, and now Venezuela, too, that they want quick, decisive blows. So they want to kind of have their cake and eat it, too. How do you see this playing out now in the rest of 2020 since? Because if the Trump administration is going to try to move in with overwhelming force or sneak attacks or kidnapping operations, coups, this sort of thing, those have a high risk of nothing. So you're saying that they're not succeeding, as we have now seen twice already in the first month of 2026.

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What does this do then for how does this portend for the rest of even just this year, given that the Trump administration, they want quick, decisive blows? Sounds like they're going to try to land more than a few in the upcoming weeks and months to come.

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Right. So that's exactly Trump's mentality, where he wants quick victory, in order to create the uptake that he is Julius Caesar, that he's just a great conquering hero who will restore the American empire to its greatness. And quite honestly, most Americans actually support his imperial ambitions. I mean, that's just reality on the ground. Poles may say something different, but in their hearts, most Americans aspire to an imperial greatness. It's just human nature. So the reality, though, is that Iran's not going to fall. I mean, yes, it looks unstable. It's been depressed because of American sanctions for decades. But the mullahs are much more resilient, much more resourceful, much more creative than Americans give them credit for. So Iran's not going to fall. So what's going to happen is that Trump's going to get frustrated with the situation in Iran and shift his focus elsewhere, which includes Greenland. Greenland is a quick, easy victory because there's actually nothing the Europeans can do about this.

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If Trump just says, listen, I'm going to annex Greenland, no one can stop him. The Germans and the French and the Swedes and the Norwegians are like, we will military defend Greenland. So what do they do? Well, Germany sent 15 soldiers to Greenland. The French sent 13 soldiers to Greenland. Guess what? There's already 150 American troops in Greenland already. So the idea that the Europeans can actually resist this American annexation of Greenland is just retarded. So that's a quick victory. Another quick victory for Trump would be Canada. So the Canadian housing market has collapsed. There's going to be massive layoffs this year. And you'll have certain areas, like Alberta is the most obvious example, that's going to vote to succeed from Canada. And then maybe 20 % of Albertans who vote to actually join the United States. But Trump doesn't care. For him, it's like 100%. 20

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% equals 100 % in his worldview. And he's going to threaten Canada and say, you either give us Alberta or we're going to come invade you. And this is going to create a lot of TV drama, which is what Trump thrives on. So that's also another quick, easy victory for Trump, Alberta. And then another quick, easy victory is Cuba. Because what's happening is, that Cuba's energy lifeline is Venezuela. Venezuela, basically Cuba goes dark. It cannot have electricity. So Cuba will also be another quick, easy victory. I think these are the three easiest right now. And then eventually, you'll build up. Because the problem with these quick, easy victories is it creates hubris. It creates the hubris. It makes you self -delusional and believe that you're invincible. But I think that Iran will be much more resilient than Trump believes. And he'll get frustrated and move on somewhere else.

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Yeah. Well, look, when it comes to the European or North America theater, I think the United States Trump administration can indeed hand -wring and strangle these countries, politically. Not even in the United States, but in the United States. But I think the United States, in particular, is going to have to do much, even having to do much other than bully, bully, bully, until they accept what their status has been for a long, long time, which is their vassals. They have to obey their master. The problem with Cuba is that Cuba, they went through a special period already. They lost their biggest supplier, their biggest economic lifeline in the past before when the Soviet Union collapsed. And they survived. And the US couldn't even actually wage any successful color revolution campaign or even wage any successful color revolution campaign or a military campaign or a mixture of the two in that time. So the Trump administration

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will have his hands full in Cuba, I believe, too, if he believes that's an easy victory, because people in Cuba are fierce. They love their freedom.

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I agree with your assessment, but Trump does not.

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Yeah, exactly. That's what I said. That's exactly why I bring this up. It's like, you think that's easy, but it might actually be a lot harder despite just being 90 miles away from Florida. But, Professor Jiang, now let's get to Russia because we haven't talked a lot about this. But Russia did launch its second everything. The conflict in Ukraine is still happening, and you have said that this is the entrance, 2022 Feb was entrance of the world into the third world war scenario that's now ongoing. Where do you see this conflict now taking the U.S. Empire and really just if we look at the whole, if we want to say a game theory board, because it's still happening. We know the trajectory of it. We know Russian victory is really where it's going. And even the West is having a hard time denying that these days. But it certainly has a huge role to

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play in shaping all these other flashpoints in theaters of conflict that the empire is looking at. So where do you see this going in 2026 and influencing the larger geopolitical map here? Yeah, so I think the biggest story in 2026 will be the conflict between Russia and the United States in the oceans.

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So, you know, as everyone knows, the United States for these past couple of months have been engaging in piracy. It embarked on a lot of things. It embarked on a lot of things. It embarked on a lot of things. So if you're an oil tanker, part of the shadow fleet that goes into Venezuela, the Americans reserved the right to board you. And they actually commandeered a couple of ships and basically stole tens of millions of dollars of oil in these ships. Now, what's interesting is the story about Bella 1. Bella 1 is a ship that's part of the shadow fleet. And the American Coast Guard tried to board the ship and Bella 1 just ran away. and uh and then bella one uh raised the russian flag meaning that it's not part of the russian fleet and there was this massive standoff actually uh for

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a few days between the american navy and the russian navy uh which came in to protect bella one uh but eventually um i think there's a phone call between trump and putin and the americans were allowed to board um bella one commandeered it uh and sees its cargo um so so but but what's amazing what's surprising is that um you know this tanker was willing to resist the american navy and and this is this is shocking okay so i think what's going to happen in 2026 is you'll see more of these incidents because what the russians understand is okay listen um this war in ukraine it's much more than a land battle basically it's a war for global trade access and for the longest time the americans were able to control the oceans and contest it and that's that's a source of american power okay so if so we need to be able to challenge

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america in the oceans otherwise americans can strangle the economies of everyone including russia including china so right now there's about a thousand ships in the russian shuttle fleet you know that evades sanctions and i i would not be surprised if the shuttle fleet was became became the new blue water navy of russia and i believe that the chinese will finance this because chinese the chinese of course is very concerned about american piracy in the oceans and so um there's no way that russia can defeat america in the oceans um the american american navy is still the greatest navy in the world but the problem for the american navy is it doesn't it cannot actually replenish its ships okay so every ship that america can that america built china can build 250. so china it's manufactured capacity it's shipping capacity so if the american navy is occupied in the oceans fighting against this russian shadow fleet

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slash blue water navy then eventually over time the american navy is going to overstretch itself and this is going to free up um space for other players like the chinese and the japanese okay so so i think that's a big story of 2026 this um this uh war in the oceans between russia and america

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hmm yeah i mean there are uh drills uh ongoing actually i believe south africa china russia iran uh are all participating in with rumors that iran was told to tamp down because trump has now tariffs on anybody who's doing any business with iran 25 um you know on countries doing business with iran uh but uh this is coordination that is happening in the world and uh you know given that it's it's interesting that we talk about the ukraine conflict is has now settled you've you've mentioned uh odessa in the past do you see 2026 as the time where uh russia you know russia is undergoing with the areshnik strike and the um you know ongoing aerial campaign on kiev and and surrounding areas uh it's turning the lights out to a large degree all over the country and odessa happens to be one of the main targets of this campaign do you see russia in

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the next year uh really solidifying its pathway toward taking this and then what does that lead to because europe is rabidly trying to keep this war going the u.s is still tepidly or at least uh while rhetorically changing still has a pretty big skin in the game especially intelligence wise uh we didn't even talk about the attempted assassination of putin there's a lot of there's a lot of elements here for for russia but now you know you can't wait till after the war to professor jiang and how do they play into where this goes uh over the next year right yeah so i

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mean the first thing to mention of course is the assassination of latin putin um and you know right afterwards putin said i've had it with you guys clearly you're not serious about peace we will settle this on the battlefield okay so there's this national commitment now to uh winning the war in ukraine on the battlefield and no more you know peace negotiations because uh it's just a waste of time it'll go nowhere and uh the europeans and europeans will never abide by any agreement anyway okay so so this war will be won on the battlefield now russia and putin have a major advantage and the major advantage is they have strategic initiative meaning that they're able to control the tempo of the battle okay and what i mean by that is look the reality is that the ukrainian army has collapsed uh they are recruiting men they're not really recruiting they're kidnapping men off the

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streets and forcing a fight on the front lines of uh of donbass without any real training without any hope and so you have these massive desertions among the ukrainian military like hundreds of thousands have deserted run away already meanwhile you have millions of ukrainians who have fled overseas and they're never coming back okay so not only um has the american military sorry the ukrainian military collapse but really the nation state of ukraine is no longer viable okay so ukraine is done um you know if if putin said let's go straight to kiev this war can be won within the next year all right so that's a battlefield situation the problem is that even if you do win this war in ukraine you still have to deal with the europeans at some point you should deal with americans at some point so from putin's perspective you're actually better off delaying this war slowing down the tempo

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and drawing in the europeans okay you give time you give time for the europeans to send엔 to send in volunteers to ukraine and they will because so -called jealousy because you're idiots and and so um even though yeah i mean pudding can go straight to odessa can go straight to kiev he really wants to delay this war as much as possible and create this water attrition in ukraine look the reality is that in ukraine russians have battlefield dominance meaning that uh you know they control the skies of their drones allows them to to control the front lines and their soldiers have high morale are pretty enthusiastic and are very energetic and the Europeans are completely confused you know stop um the British there's room that the British are about to raise the retirement age of soldiers from 55 to 65 meaning that then the future 65 year olds will be required to fight in in

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a war um so the Europeans are just completely confused uh they have no strategy and they will just react

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to uh Putin's initiative yeah yeah well uh you know Professor John uh when when it comes to what's going on in Ukraine um and when it comes to this assassination attempt on Putin uh we've had the Russian side say that as you summarize that they're changing their negotiating position so a little more diplomatic than we no longer trust you but I think the message is very clear now uh the Trump administration itself is doing its best to try to ignore what's happening on the ground in Ukraine um the most he'll ever say that especially Donald Trump himself is uh disappointed in Putin uh Zelensky is this and that a fool but not much because there's another theater you know the White House posted this about the whole Greenland situation uh there's a lot of focus on these low -hanging fruit as we have discussed and this is how the White House frames the Trump administration

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after centuries it is time for Denmark to give back world peace is at stake China and Russia won Greenland there's not a thing Denmark can do about it the United States of America is immediately open to a negotiation with Denmark in any of these uh countries and of course I'm not going to read the big big big true social post here but essentially it is a call and Denmark has sent some troops now France and Italy and all the European countries in NATO are kind of freaking out because they have no idea how to respond to the U.S essentially bullying one of its own in order to acquire one of its territories which to be honest was the territory acquired by a a different kind of Imperial uh you know era so talk about this shift you know we see Russia in control in Ukraine and then suddenly you have Greenland and the and

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the White House talking about Russia and China regarding this Russia and China are being talked about regarding the naval blockade there's a lot of Russian China on the mind here uh what's the real ploy what's the what's the reality of the situation okay so let's get into what's going on here okay so let's just start off with China's way.

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So the Arctic passage, the Chinese call this the Polar Silk Road. So the Arctic has become a very important geopolitical frontier. That's number one. Number two is that Greenland has tremendous resources. So it has lots of oil off its shores. It has lots of rare earths. Number three is that it's virgin territory. So there's talk of these AI companies going to Greenland and these data centers in Greenland because apparently the electricity there is a lot cheaper. Geothermal energy is a lot cheaper than elsewhere. And plus, because of the temperature, you don't have to worry so much about cooling. So there are lots and lots of good reasons why you want to take Greenland. I think for Trump, again, it's pure optics where you just look at a map. And you're trying to enforce the Monroe Doctrine, the Don Monroe Doctrine.

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Greenland is important because you just look at a map. Greenland is the edge of the Western Hemisphere. So when you take Greenland, you have Greenland up here. You have Alaska over here. Canada is in between. So now, just like mentally speaking, just look at the map. Canada belongs to America. And this is just in terms of optics, perception, which is really the only thing that Trump cares about. Greenland is important. It just looks good on a map for Trump. He wants to be able to pull the green. He wants to have this map and post it everywhere. And the Canadians will freak out because the Canadians will be like, where next? So Trump wants Greenland. He's going to get Greenland. There's nothing the Europeans can do about it. It's that simple.

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Yeah. Now, let's talk about then, what's the role of China here? Because there's been recent data, Professor Jiang, that Zhejiang University is now the top university in the world. We know the U.S. is really obsessed with this AI. Yeah. And it's a huge push because a lot of these oligarchs in control of the AI industry are so hugely influential in politics. But nonetheless, there is this huge push by the United States to try to stifle China's technological progress, which arguably has dwarfed the U.S. in many areas already. And of course, all of these geopolitical flashpoints, the U.S. so -called strategists, the neocons, the warmongers, they're all talking about China with regard to it. Yeah. The fact of the matter is that if it's not one, it's 1A. So how does China factor into this next year? Because there is a lot, I think a lot of attempts by the Trump administration, Donald

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Trump himself, to make it look like actually now he's not so belligerent towards China, but everything that his administration is doing is in effect targeting China.

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Yeah. So I think the biggest news story of 2026 will be April when Trump visits China. I can go into the larger, you know, geopolitical relationship between China and United States, and it's very complicated, OK, but I just want to focus on Trump and how he thinks. Trump, he's a mafia boss. Right. And so what mafia bosses do is they like to extort weaker people. So so basically what Trump wants to say to China is, listen we control Venezuela, Venezuela uh we can throw it in Iran we control Greenland we control Canada you guys need um resources from the Western Hemisphere we also need trade access and we control this oceans as well okay so you either pay up or you know we we will blockade you and strangle your economy okay and so what does Trump want from China let's listen um I think that geopolitical analysts give maybe United States and Trump too

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much credit okay the United States has become a mafia Empire and Trump is just a mafia boss so what what what they want is money okay and so the idea is the Chinese have the highest household household savings rate in the world about 40 percent okay that's a lot of money and so basically it's very simple Trump is saying to China we want that money okay we want Chinese to buy U.S dollars it's that simple man okay and there are different ways you can do this okay so so let's go over three ways okay the first is buy houses so so the average Chinese consumer is allowed to buy uh property in the Anglo -American Empire which includes Canada Australia New Zealand United States okay that's number one number two is um uh study overseas right so Trump has talked about doubling the number of Chinese students from 200 000 300 000 to 600 000.

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um okay that's number two number three is stable coins and stable coins are basically these this digital currency that you can purchase from Apple or Google but it's backed by U.S Treasuries and so it's a workaround against capital controls in in China okay so so that's what Trump wants and like you know you'll hear a lot about graduate political strategy and you know a new world order and all that but it's not this nonsense at the end of the day it's just a business transaction Trump is a mafia boss and

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it's that simple yeah but the problem may be and you've talked about this Professor John that uh trying to extort a a country that is uh you know has these advantages including a population with a lot of money in its pocket but also a country that uh as I said before is now moving in this Advanced Direction has these top level universities has top level research institutions has a top level of technological advances it's going to be hard to convince uh uh China Chinese people that they should uh blow their money on a market that's extremely exorbitantly uh you know uh completely artificially propped up by a massive uh debt bubble which is and which is very costly in and of itself um leading to a lot of Chinese people actually to leave the West especially the United States they're going back to China because they they'd rather uh spend less on what uh you

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know is affordable in China and then invest of course in property in China as well so it's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out but uh the problem I also think too for us where do the neocons then play into this because I agree with you I think I think Donald Trump sees geopolitics and even war as a major business not just the 1.5 trillion dollar Pentagon budget he wants to see uh he wants to clean up the contractors and make sure they're making as much money as possible as efficiently possible but I agree I think he sees everything as a business transaction where the U.S gets richer and richer and richer but the neocons yeah they care about getting richer their donors getting richer and richer and richer but they really like to destroy things and destroying things makes it really difficult uh to make transactions so this

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is the I think this is a

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big problem isn't it well no there's a solution to this it's called Japan right so um a month ago uh she said something very controversial in China she said that Taiwan is a vital security interest of Japan so so what does she mean by that what she means by that is that Japan is a resource poor country so it depends on trade in order to fuel its manufacturing economy primarily oil from the Middle East um and so what Taiwan is important is that if Taiwan were to be controlled by China okay um then at some point China could choose to embargo Japan and if Japan would be embargoed then the the Japan would starve to death okay so so that's what she meant by that now it's controversial I mean it's a true statement and geopolitically makes sense but it's controversial because for the longest time there was an agreement among all major nations in

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Southeast Asia including United States including South Korea Japan China that you do not discuss the Taiwan issue okay Taiwan is an integral part of China we accept that um and Taiwan is not allowed Independence if you just like maintain the status quo there are no issues and so when she said that hey Taiwan is is a vital security interest and we the Japanese will defend Taiwan if there is ever an invasion of Taiwan then that's basically the declaration of war right and so what we're going to see in 2026 is a drastic a drastic um collapse of uh China Japanese relationship of the China Japanese relationship and it's placing in the neocons because the neocons actually work for the military industrial complex right so now Japanese the Japanese are going to remilitarize um and they're they're going to spend billions of dollars on new weapon systems from the Americans and Japan will be the neocon

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um in in East Asia and into what effect though because uh obviously what we're talking about here then is uh U.S China competition rivalry and even the descent into uh war via a vassal like Japan uh how does this uh end up developing then in 2026 when uh you mentioned China's a potential China trip by the Trump administration by Donald Trump himself um there's a lot of time until then Professor Zhang and it we've had Donald Trump having had having had to cancel trips in the past because of geopolitical tensions uh with all these flashpoints going out of the potential for major disaster does this meeting happen do you think or is there a chance that it doesn't happen because of uh whether it's angering China or just being caught up somewhere else and uh also angering China in the process what's your take on this look I'm surprised this

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meeting took so long you know Trump said when he was inaugurated that he wanted to visit China within the first hundred days I'm really surprised that they had to wait this long to visit China uh from a Trump perspective it's really important to resolve this Chinese uh this relationship with China okay and and we've seen Trump um even though he's been belligerent to many people he's been actually calm and diplomatic when it comes to China he's he keeps on emphasizing the fact that he's good friends with President Xi you know President Xi met his family uh um you know his um you know his Kushner's and even got Trump's uh children or like they take Mandarin class and they recited town poetry to President Xi when he visited them in New York okay so Trump keeps on emphasizing his close relationship with President Xi um so I'm really surprised this meeting took so long I

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think it took so long because Trump needs to put certain pieces into place the reality is that China is an export -oriented economy which means that it depends on trade accesses it depends on markets and if the United States is closing all these markets it's closing all this trade access and China needs to respond both in the short term in the long term okay long term you have to destroy American hegemony okay that means working with Russians but short term you have to play ball because um America has been their new option is just to cut off all trade access to the Chinese because America because America controls the first island chain and if you can do the first island chain then you can cut off all trade uh chinese trade you can close close close off the state of malacca so so china in the short term needs to come to an arrangement with

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america that's the dilemma that china finds itself in yes in the long term china's gonna work with russia uh it's gonna finance russia's blue water navy it's gonna support iran um yes i understand long term but in the short term i'm saying within the next five years you have a huge problem in your hands which is trade access and trade markets and you have to resolve that issue

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or your economy is going to collapse yeah no indeed and uh while donald trump's words cannot be necessarily trusted for anything given that as you called him a mafia boss mafia bosses especially publicly like to talk out of uh various uh forks of the tongue but uh donald trump did say this as canada was uh meeting uh uh professor zhang with um china mr carney the prime minister uh has basically said uh he's opening up to china he wants to have this very solid relationship but many in the western mainstream u.s mainstream media have seen this as a potential problem in the u.s china relationship a a a victory for china so to speak here's how donald trump uh responded to it and i think it and it i think it validates and verifies exactly

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what you've said in terms of trump's posture towards china thus far prime minister carnegie uh you understand he's super scoddy with thomas strong and tvt how do you see the deals canada and china i've just signed trade deals between the two partners well that's okay that's what he should be doing i mean it's a good thing for him to sign a trade deal if you can get a deal with china you should do that

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even just any country that's not the united states uh what do you make of this how do you see uh this changing uh the anything at all with the us china relationship and also how does this fit into now uh where we're going as we close up here soon uh the overall picture when we look at the world situation right now uh how does this kind of development european countries canada moving more towards possibly china because of the way that the trump administration is treating issues like

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greenland for example for whatever reason people in canada believe that carney and trump hate each other carney is his great rival to trump but guys let's go into some history okay mark carney used to work for goldman sachs in new york so we can imagine that uh he knew trump or or they they work they were socialized in the same same circles that mark carney then went on to become governor of the bank of canada and then the first foreign governor of the bank of england okay and then he um became a vice chair of brookfield what is brookfield well brookfield are the people in 2018 who basically bailed out derrick kushner derrick kushner um had it had this white elephant property called 666 fifth avenue in new york city it was costing a lot of money he was about to go bankrupt then brookfield came in and saved his ass okay and people argue

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it was to curry favor with with trump um mark carney has never been elected to any office before he became prime minister of canada and during the um leadership uh race uh when justin trudeau um resigned basically all the other candidates faded away and gave the stage gave gave the the nomination to mark carney evan expected pierre polyve who is the leader of the conservatives to triumph in the election because after 10 years of trudeau everyone was just sick of the liberals they were sick of liberal policy and and there were many who believed that carney was actually the real mastermind the public master behind trudeau and that's that's what explained the housing problem the immigration problem in canada but then what trump did was just fighting canada says we're gonna make you into the 51st state and pierre polivier he's basically imploded he just basically went away and they gave the election to mark

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carney and then you know trump called mark carney uh to congratulate him and um people for whatever reason canadians are are probably among the most stupid people in the world they actually believe that carney um is working for canadians he doesn't he does not work in canada he works for the city of london he works for wall street and right now uh this this transfer capital are aligned in their interest which is to open up the china market for international finance again the last store of wealth in the world that is that is untapped are the chinese household savings every other western nation is overstretched like like canadians have like have maxed out the credit cards canadian household um debt is um over 100 of their income okay so so like these um people in the west are just bankrupt okay the chinese still have savings so what do you do you open up the

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china market and you allow chinese to buy real estate in canada you allow them to send their kids overseas to to study in in canada you allow them to buy canadian dollars okay so that's the grand plan in motion and carne is just the you know it is it's just one of one of these agents that want to open up the china okay so so so that's the game plan here and the idea that carney actually represents canada he doesn't care all his money is united states man his company is an american company essentially right so so so the idea that okay the enemies leaders in the west they represent the people

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it's just complete nonsense yeah it's certainly the model and it's a you know what you just described with canada is uh copying the american model uh financialization indebtedness uh turning the economic economy into a ponzi scheme uh decimating industry and then with china which has a massive industry massive technology and then of course this massive i mean you have a massive quote -unquote middle class with lots and lots of money in their pockets now it seems like there's a big conflict between do we try to talk them into uh going along with our program or do we want to that's the i think that's the big dilemma facing uh especially the u.s empire i i find canada and all these other countries in the west to just they're they're vassals in my opinion even if they even if they even if they deviate temporarily because of trump's uh uh approach at a given

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moment it'll be the same at the end of the day right how stupid canadians are i mean like like like you have canadian conservatives on social media saying like oh my god we are we are now hugging the the dragon we are now hugging the the dragon the dragon we are now hugging the the dragon You know, we're currently surrendering our sovereignty to China. Oh, my God. Like, do you guys not know what's going on? Canada has never been a sovereign nation. It's never been sovereign. It's never been a democracy. It is a resource colony of the Anglo -American Empire. It's a vassal state. Right now, Canada has become a toxic asset because of inflated housing prices that have destroyed the Canadian economy. The entire Canadian economy is based on money laundering, by the way. So now that it's a toxic asset, what do you do? Well, as a banker, right? Mark Carney is a banker.

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You dump it off to foreign investors. That's what you do. That's the entire game plan, guys.

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Yeah. Last time I checked, Canada is still in NAFTA, which means it is still very much an economic vassal of the United States, as you said, a resource.

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80 % of Canadian trade is United States, man. Come on, man.

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Yeah. Yeah. We have one audience question, Professor Zhang, that I definitely want to ask you. This is a very generous donation here. Ask the professor of China, Europe, Japan. What dump U.S. treatment treasuries? What's your opinion on this? Okay.

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So I know this is going to sound counterintuitive, okay? But the U.S. treasury is a trap for these nations, okay? So there's a popular saying in finance. If you owe the bank a million dollars, the bank owns you. But if you owe the bank $500 billion, you own the bank, okay? So U.S. treasuries. You don't, I mean, like, don't perceive it as, you know, America owing money to Europe, Japan, and China. It's really, you know, Europe, China, and Japan paying a bribe to America in order to maintain global peace and global trade, okay? So the idea that they would dump the treasuries is nonsense because, one, who would buy these stupid things, okay? I mean, like, no one's going to buy $500 billion of U.S. treasuries. That's number one. Number two is that this is actually a declaration of war because you are now attacking the U.S. dollar, which is a source of American power.

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So what the American empire is going to do is come attack you to, like, you know, teach you a lesson. It teaches the world a lesson. And number three, and this is the most important, is that there's actually no viable alternative to the U.S. dollar at this point. If you want to engage in global trade and China, Japan, and Europe need to engage in global trade, then you need the U.S. dollar. It's the most liquid, it's the most universally accepted, it's the most transparent. Unfortunately, that's the case.

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Yeah. Yeah. And we do see movement away from U.S. treasuries. China, I believe, major dumping going on over a matter of many years. The concern. But it's still, no, no, no, I was just going to say, but it's still, it's still a slow process. Yeah. Yeah. It takes lots of time, and it probably needs major shifts beyond this.

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The concern is that Europe, Japan, and China are no longer buying as much U.S. dollars as they used to, right? And because it's a Ponzi scheme, they're spreading this entire Ponzi scheme. And then that's why America is behaving the way it is, because it's trying to force Europe, Japan, and China to buy more U.S. dollars, okay? So it's trying to open up the Chinese market and, like, soak up all these household savings. It's trying to get Japan to remilitarize, to force Japan to save its excess savings on U.S. weapons, okay? So that's a game plan. It's really simple, okay? So Kanye's a banker, and Trump is a mafia boss. And this is how they behave, and this is how they think.

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Right. Well, Professor John, we're going to have to see whether they will get the return on their investments that they hoped for, because as we've been talking— It's not. It's going to blow their face. Yeah, exactly, because that's what you've been talking about.

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It's going to blow their face. It's going to blow their face. It's going to blow their face. This is what they're planning, and this is what they want.

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Yeah, exactly, because this world is changing so dramatically, and I think that's what's causing so much of this tension, too. The more that the world changes, the more that we enter a period of U.S., especially U.S. empire, in decline, and the more that that accelerates, the more tense and tight and absolutely desperate it all becomes. And we see an acceleration of a process that, as you said, has heavy possibilities, if not a guarantee for blowback. Right. So we're going to have to keep watching this, Professor Jiang. I have your YouTube channel. I believe I also have your sub -stack in the video description, so people can find you there. Is there anything else you want to say before we head out together here?

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No, no, that's fine. Thanks so much for the conversation, Danny.

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Of course. It was a great conversation, everybody. Thank you to everyone who gave. Thank you to all the members here as well. Many of you gave super chats are already members. That's great. Without further ado, everyone, hit the like button before you go, because that helps keep the conversation going for those who didn't catch the live. It boosts the stream in YouTube's algorithm. Go to the video description to find both Professor Jiang's YouTube and sub -stack, as well as all the places to support this work, Patreon, sub -stack, and much more. I will be back in a couple of days. I'll let you know what's going on. I'm in the process of moving, as you can see. So expect that it will be maybe a little more hectic these days. But nonetheless, you will get the information and the analysis coming to you for the rest of the month. So without further ado, everyone, take care.

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I'll see you again soon. Thanks for coming out on this Martin Luther King Jr. Saturday weekend. And I'll see you again soon. Bye bye.