--- title: "Jiang Xueqin: Great Power Wars Over a New World Order transcript" description: "Source-synced transcript archive for Jiang Xueqin: Great Power Wars Over a New World Order." source_title: "Jiang Xueqin: Great Power Wars Over a New World Order" published_at: "2026-01-26" source_class: "interview" public_url: "https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/" markdown_url: "https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript.md" text_url: "https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript.txt" source_url: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ" data_url: "https://jianglens.com/data/lens/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq.json" --- # Jiang Xueqin: Great Power Wars Over a New World Order transcript - Source: [Jiang Xueqin: Great Power Wars Over a New World Order](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ) - Published: 2026-01-26, day precision - Human transcript page: [/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/) - Interview page: [/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/) - Transcript Markdown: [/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript.md](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript.md) - Transcript text: [/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript.txt](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript.txt) - Interview JSON: [/data/lens/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq.json](https://jianglens.com/data/lens/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq.json) ## Transcript ### 0:00 seg-0001 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0001` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0001](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0001) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=0s) Welcome back. We are very privileged today to be joined by Professor Zhang, who has been spot on in several of his predictions, looking at historical patterns and game theory to predict the direction of geopolitics. So thank you, as always, for coming back on. ### 0:15 seg-0002 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0002` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0002](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0002) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=15s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=15s) Thanks, Kvar. ### 0:16 seg-0003 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0003` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0003](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0003) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=16s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=16s) So we see a massive change now in the international system, but usually the big changes in world order, they tend to come after major wars or sometimes with other major disruptions, such as the collapse of the Soviet Union. But what we're witnessing now is quite remarkable with this spectacular rise of China over the past decades, which has been quite unprecedented in human history, also because it's been peaceful. It has spearheaded this. This massive shift of power from the West to the East, essentially ending 500 years of Western leadership since the age of exploration and in the last centuries, of course, the Western dominance, which has all now come to an end. My concern, though, and the question to you is how likely is it that such a major shift in international distribution can occur without triggering major wars between the great powers? ### 1:17 seg-0004 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0004` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0004](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0004) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=77s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=77s) Right. So let's go to Mark Carney's speech at the World Economic Forum at Davos this past week because it went viral and it got a lot of attention. So there was a direct response to Donald Trump's argument that for the longest time, NATO, Europe, Canada have been free riding off of America's generosity and goodwill. It is America that provides defense for China. And Europe, it's American consumers that have made Europe wealthy. So Europe is just free loading of American generosity. And in his speech, Mark Carney had a counter argument. He had a rebuttal to Trump's viewpoint. Basically, what he said is that this rules based international order, it was established for the benefit of the American empire. And so the longest time it was hypocritical. It was incongruent. It was inconsistent. And the Western allies went along with this because they benefit from it. But now America has changed its attitude. It's no longer focused on consensus. ### 2:31 seg-0005 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0005` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0005](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0005) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=151s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=151s) It doesn't no longer care about multilateralism. And so now if the middle powers like Canada are to survive, they need to really develop a rules based international order. And I think that's a framework to for Europe. To now merge with BRICS, because BRICS, the very idea of BRICS is a win -win corporation where everyone is an equal and there's no dominant power. An example, of course, is the Shanghai Gold Exchange or the Gold Corridor, where gold is distributed amongst different worlds throughout the world in Dubai and Shanghai, wherever. But it's like a blockchain. It's a ledger, open ledger, where gold becomes the basis for a gold exchange. It's a new financial system. And so China is very much focused on multilateralism, on win -win cooperation, on reciprocity. And that's the future that Mark Carney believes the middle powers should strive for. And that's a framework that Mark Carney and the other middle powers, the Europeans, would like to implement. ### 3:40 seg-0006 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0006` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0006](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0006) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=220s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=220s) The problem, as you say, is there is no way that the American empire will just fade away. And that's the future. And let BRICS, this new multilateral system, develop. And so in the national security strategy, it's very explicit in that America will not give up its empire, but it will change the tactics by which it rules the empire. So no more multilateralism, no more liberal order, just pure focus on national best interests. That's number one. Number two is that it will, from now on, perceive its allies as vassals. So all these U.S. treasuries that Europe holds. Japan holds. South Korea holds. It actually belongs to America. It is America that controls the resources and the wealth of its allies. So basically the vassalization of their American empire. That's number two. Number three, and this is the most crucial, is that it will challenge China wherever it can. So ### 4:37 seg-0007 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0007` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0007](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0007) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=277s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=277s) even though America will remove its military from East Asia, it will continue to challenge China in Africa, in Europe, in South America. It claims hegemony over the Western Hemisphere, and it will embargo China's economic development from now on. So we are seeing right now a clash of titans, where on one hand, China is leading a new national order that is multilateral, reciprocal, and win -win. And then the Americans want to maintain their empire. So that's a conflict that we're seeing right now. ### 5:13 seg-0008 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0008` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0008](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0008) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=313s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=313s) Well, since 1945, though. So this system of consensus and multilateralism, it was managed under the clear leadership of the United States. I mean, there was no illusions that it was not the dominant power, the hegemon. So once you're the only game in town, there's no competitors. It's easier to be a benign hegemon because they will naturally gravitate towards the United States. But as the US now has China as the main rival, as you said, it has to use more harder tools. But the harder or more aggressive the US uses economic coercion to both weaken adversaries and ensure the obedience of allies in this system or let's call them vassals, which probably is more correct, the more you incentivize the allies to decouple or diversify and for adversaries to collectively balance. And well, from my impression of the Canadian prime minister, this is part of the thing. that he was communicating as well, that this is why they have to look more to China. ### 6:19 seg-0009 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0009` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0009](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0009) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=379s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=379s) But given, is this a temporary, though, this imperial model of the United States? Because they can't coerce the whole world under their rule if there are rivals out there. And unless they knock out the Chinese, this is my, I guess this is where I'm going at. ### 6:35 seg-0010 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0010` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0010](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0010) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=395s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=395s) Right, so I think that for the longest time, the American empire was able to make an illusion that it is a multilateral consensus because the people in charge were good friends with each other. They went to the same schools, the same universities, where they learned the same manners, the same values, the same ideologies. The children then went to the same schools. They hang out in the same places, like the Davos World Economic Forum. They summer in the Hamptons. Hamptons, they skied in Aspen. So it was a very small, cozy club. And they made a lot of decisions behind the scenes. And they maintained the illusion that it was very multilateral and everyone had consensus. But you're absolutely right. And that was an empire. Only a few people had the privilege of making the major decisions. But they maintained the illusion of this hypocrisy for public consumption. Now, the problem of Trump is that he's an outsider. ### 7:31 seg-0011 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0011` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0011](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0011) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=451s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=451s) He's not part of this club. He went to the wrong schools. He hanged out with the wrong people. And he's like a mafioso. He's come in. He wants to wreck things and make things, um, the way he wants them to be. He's very dictatorial. He doesn't understand the manners, the ideologies, the values of this system. And so everyone feels under threat. And the Davos crowd, led by Mark Carney, they feel as though they need to find a new protector in China. The problem, though, is that, first of all, the system that we have today is extremely fragile because of the economic instability created by China. By empire. And what I mean by that is the inequality where maybe 1 % of the people of the population control most of the wealth. So, you know, a classic anecdote is during New Year's at St. Bart's in the Caribbean. A few dozen yachts, mega yachts, converts for New Year's party. ### 8:31 seg-0012 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0012` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0012](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0012) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=511s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=511s) And these are people like Miriam Adelson, Jeff Bezos. And there's only a few dozen of them, but they control 80 % of the world's wealth. So the massive inequality in this world needs to be addressed. That's number one. Number two is, the corruption of the political system, where in Washington, D.C., in Brussels, the bureaucrats are no longer accountable to the electorate. There's this disconnect between the political class and Main Street. And that's a huge, huge problem. And so there are problems with the empire, with the way the system that needs to be addressed right now. And because these politicians, these leaders, are not able to address these issues, that allows for the rise of Trump. So in theory, yes, if these people were to live with China, then we could have a new world order. The problem is that even though you have the new world order, the problem still persists. ### 9:27 seg-0013 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0013` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0013](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0013) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=567s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=567s) How do you deal with inequality? How do you deal with the corruption? How do you deal with the disconnect, the alienation of the people? And that's a fundamental issue that needs to be addressed and which is not being addressed right now. ### 9:39 seg-0014 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0014` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0014](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0014) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=579s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=579s) Like what you said about the fake consensus, because after the Cold War came to an end, and then two years later, the Soviet Union collapsed. The argument by the, I think it was the US ambassador to NATO was that Russia couldn't become part of NATO because it would not fit into the consensus culture, which we have in NATO, which is a nice way of saying that the allies do as they're told. And well, the main thought was, I guess, the power distribution, that the Russians are simply too big. And also the whole political culture is less likely to subordinate their decisions to the US. So they would want to be partners, not vassals. But this kind of begs the question, if the US wants to be hegemon, it does have to divide and rule. That is, impose this alliance system where you either weaken your adversaries and you make your allies dependent, like the war in Ukraine. ### 10:31 seg-0015 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0015` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0015](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0015) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=631s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=631s) I thought this is a, I would say good, but it's a way of weakening the Russians and making Europeans more obedient. And this is more or less the objective. But how do you make sense then of Trump's seeming desire to just throw away NATO as it is? Because it does seem that you do need this kind of alliance systems if you want to weaken adversaries and make sure that your vassals, you know, toe the line. So why this rejection of such an alliance system when this is what you should be pursuing as a hegemonic instrument? Right. ### 11:08 seg-0016 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0016` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0016](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0016) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=668s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=668s) So Trump's ultimate ambition is to create a Trump world order. And what he means by that is he wants to replace the old elite, the established elite, the global elite, with a new elite. Okay. So what we're seeing right now in America is a civil war between left and right. And this is, and the ground zero for this, of course, is Minneapolis, where a couple of days ago, an American citizen, another American citizen was killed by ICE. Okay. So the first was Renny Goode, who was shot in the face three times by an ICE agent. Who claimed self -defense. But if you look at the video, that's debatable. But the second incident is a man named Alex Pretty. He's 37 years old and he's a nurse. And he was essentially executed by ICE agents in Minneapolis. And there are thousands of people now converging in Minneapolis. Tim Walz, the governor of Minnesota, has called up the National Guard. ### 12:06 seg-0017 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0017` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0017](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0017) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=726s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=726s) So you have the local police, you have ICE agents, and you have the National Guard all converging in Minneapolis. So it sounds, it's almost like a ground zero for a new civil war. Okay. The question then is, why is this happening? It's happening because you have two major factions in America fighting for supreme power. You have the old elite, who is like Wall Street. Okay. This is the global financial elite as represented by Wall Street. But then you have a new elite that's up and coming. They're new money. So Silicon Valley, Palantir, as represented by and Peter Thiel. And they are the ones backing Trump. Okay. So the goal of Trump is to replace the federal bureaucracy in Washington and make it obedient and subservient to him. And that's why you're seeing all this conflict in the United States. But zoom out, and the entire world is like this, where Trump's ambition ### 12:53 seg-0018 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0018` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0018](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0018) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=773s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=773s) is not to replace NATO per se, but to change the leadership of NATO and make NATO much more subservient to him. Right? So in his national security strategy, he's talked about backing politicians in Europe that are more amenable to American values, who believe in free speech, who believe in nationalism, who believe in people. Right? And these states are Poland, Austria, Hungary. Okay? So it's not that Trump is turning away from Europe. It's more that he wants to reshape the political landscape of Europe. And Greenland is a very important point of conflict. Right? Because why is Trump so adamant about taking over Greenland? There are two reasons There are already these agreements in place where Americans can use Greenland for whatever military purpose it deems fit. So there's actually no reason to take over Greenland. Why not maintain the illusion that NATO is still relevant? And the answer is because Trump wants the European leaders to lose face. ### 13:57 seg-0019 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0019` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0019](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0019) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=837s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=837s) He wants to embarrass NATO. He wants to show the European people, look, your leaders are powerless. Your leaders are useless. So overthrow them and elect leaders that can work with me. Okay? So in Germany, that's AFD. Right? In France, that's Le Pen's party. In Spain, that's Vox. Okay? So what Trump envisions is a radical political restructuring of Europe that is more right -leaning, anti -immigration and more nativist. Okay? So to overturn the global order, essentially. And that's the main conflict in the world today. ### 14:38 seg-0020 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0020` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0020](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0020) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=878s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=878s) Yeah, that's the main conflict in the world today. that's an interesting one that is not just the loyalty to the US and power, but also seems to have a civilizational interpretation here because he sees the internal struggle within the West as also being of key importance. As you suggest, this also comes forth in the new national security strategy. So is this a struggle in Trump's mind for reviving, though, Western civilization? Because he talks about more or less saving Europe from the EU. ### 15:14 seg-0021 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0021` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0021](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0021) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=914s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=914s) In his mind, he is the messiah. In his mind, he believes that he's come to save America and to save Western civilization from woke politics, from the corruption of the global elite, from just the inequality in this world. Okay? So he sees himself as a messianic figure. And quite honestly, there are many in the magnet movement who do see him as a prophet and who do see him as someone who can fulfill the prophecy of a renewed America, to make America great again. But ultimately, what this means is that Trump needs to become emperor of America. His ambition is to become king. That means destroying the constitutional values and norms that underpin American society. And we will know this because he plans to run for a third term, which will be unprecedented in the 20th century. And not only does he plan for a third term, he plans on a fourth term. Because in his mind, he needs time in order to revamp American society, to make America great again. ### 16:15 seg-0022 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0022` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0022](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0022) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=975s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=975s) And look, if he were not running for a third term, we cannot possibly explain the speed and the force by which he is revamping American society. Think about ICE, okay? Now, what's interesting about ICE is that it says that ICE exists in order to deport immigrants, right? In order to get rid of illegal immigration, which is destroying the American economy. But if you look at the statistics, Obama actually deported more illegal immigrants than Trump did, even though Obama didn't have the budget and the resources that ICE has. And Obama never created conflict with the states, okay? The states worked with Obama to remove the illegal immigrants. So it was clearly about removing illegal immigrants than ICE is incompetent. that, oh, ICE is actually meant to be a Gestapo, it's meant to be a new secret police that was only loyal to Trump, then that makes a lot of sense, okay? ### 17:12 seg-0023 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0023` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0023](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0023) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1032s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1032s) And that helps us explain the incredible unprecedented violence that is happening in the streets of Minneapolis right now. These are extrajudicial executions, okay? There's no other word for what's happening, meant to incite a civil war, meant to enrage the people. In the streets of Minnesota, okay, it's not illegal immigrants versus ICE, it's white conservative men in white uniforms versus white liberal Americans, okay? That's the conflict right now. And Trump understands that he needs to incite a civil war so he can declare an insurrection, he can have emergency war powers, he can override elections. That is his that is his plan, that's his plan. And look, the evidence is actually pretty clear about what's happening. ### 18:01 seg-0024 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0024` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0024](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0024) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1081s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1081s) Yeah. On the other hand, though, when I read the national security strategy of the United States, the way they refer to Europe, there were some good points there, I thought. That is that Europe is in decline. The demographic, it's an economic decline, it's international relevance, the ability to reproduce its culture, all of the things you would expect from a declining civilization. So how are you assessing this? Because I'm not saying that Trump will rescue or save Europe, as was also suggested in this national security strategy by cultivating an acceptable opposition. But surely things aren't going well for Europe. Right. ### 18:50 seg-0025 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0025` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0025](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0025) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1130s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1130s) So let's look at why Trump is in power, right? He's in power because Biden really screwed up. Biden was in power for four years and in those four years, the world there's a lack of leadership. There's a lack of strategy. There's a lack of decision making. And this is true for the entire global Western elite. You go to Brussels, you go to Washington, D.C. during the Biden years, they had no idea what to do. They were corrupt. They were indifferent. They lived in a bubble. And so people were really angry and people wanted change. And that's what propelled Trump into presidency. That's what's allowing him to implement Project 2025 which is to radically revamp the federal proxy. This is what's drawing the Pentagon to be loyal to Trump. So there are severe problems that need to be addressed. And Trump is using this opportunity. He's using this opportunity of discontentment, disillusionment in order to amass personal power to himself. ### 19:49 seg-0026 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0026` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0026](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0026) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1189s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1189s) And that's and that's the great threat, right? So yeah, look, look, look, look, I mean, I just say this, but Hitler would not have rose to power unless Germany was really suffering and Germany really wanted massive political change. So I completely agree with you. Europe is in a lot of trouble. But the idea that Trump's going to come and become your savior, I think that is a bit deluded. I think Trump's plan is to destroy the world so he can rule over the ashes. I think that's what's going to happen. But you're right in that you can make a legitimate argument that he really believes he wants to save the world. You can also make a legitimate argument that his followers are true believers and they are trying to make the world a better place. But historically, if you look at historical patterns, when a figure like this emerges, and, you know, figures like this include Julius Caesar, they end up destroying the world. ### 20:46 seg-0028 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0028` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0028](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0028) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1246s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1246s) No, of course, all these leaders never appear in a vacuum. And there's, so I do see this being one of the consequences of having horrible leadership. I think Biden definitely fell in that category. But how do you explain this though, the cause of it? Why are there such terrible leaders at the moment, not just in the United States, but across Europe as well? I mean, terrible in terms of there's no vision, there's no strategy. It's very dishonest. It's all about managing narratives. Yeah, well, overall, we don't see any leaders of the past. And again, this is Europe where you began with the Peace of Westphalia. You came up with modern diplomacy. This is, yeah, I don't see any leaders again in Europe today, which seems to be able to get the continent back on track, which, well, then you kind of hand over the mantle to any, well, crazy leader who any strongman coming along, claiming that he can fix the system if he just pushes the old order aside. ### 21:59 seg-0030 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0030` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0030](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0030) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1319s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1319s) I think one of the greatest lies in our lives is that the meritocracy promotes the best leaders. So if you went to Europe, if you went to Yale, if you went to Harvard, if you went to Oxbridge, if you went to the, to the Sorbonne, then you are the best and the brightest. And therefore, you should rule. You know, I went to Yale, okay? And I can tell you right now that if you go to a place like Yale, you're not taught how to think critically. You're not taught how to be imaginative, how to have empathy, how to be resilient. You're taught how to speak in a very nice, articulate manner and to conform to the status quo. Okay? So if you look at the ruling class in America, the vast majority of people in Washington, D.C., of the financial elite in Wall Street, Silicon Valley, the media, okay, the universities, they all went to a few schools. ### 22:50 seg-0031 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0031` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0031](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0031) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1370s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1370s) And as a result, they have a very, they live in a bubble. They see the world in a very jaded manner. And, and, and so they're unable to empathize with the suffering of ordinary people. They, they become disconnected with the ordinary people. They have actually, they can't possibly imagine what life is like for just a blue -collar worker. That's, that's one. Number two is the problem with meritocracy is that if you think that you deserve what you have because you worked hard, then you also believe that other people who are poor deserve what they got because they're lazy. Okay? So the government should not help these people. The government should help immigrants. The government should help minorities. The government should help women because these are historically persecuted groups. But they should, we should not help ordinary white men because they deserve what they got because they're stupid. I worked hard in school and so I got, I got a yield. ### 23:48 seg-0032 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0032` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0032](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0032) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1428s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1428s) You didn't work hard in school and so you should be a guardsman making very little money. You should be unemployed. Okay? So there's just this contempt. There's just this visual discontent for the ordinary people among the elite that drives a lot of their policies. Okay? And then the third thing and this is the most important is that when you go to a place like Yale you've succeeded all your life. And so you're not capable of humility. You're not capable of self -reflection. Okay? So in 2016 when Trump won this was a pivotal moment in Western history. At this point the elite could say listen, why did Trump win? Well, it was probably because of inequality. It was probably because of those you know, we built out Wall Street in 2008, right? We should build up the homeowners but instead we built out Wall Street. So it's our fault that the people elected Trump. ### 24:42 seg-0033 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0033` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0033](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0033) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1482s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1482s) This is a wake -up call for us. It's time for the elite to start working for the masses again. Instead what happened? Instead the elite said oh, it's because Trump's a Putin spy. It's because he's a spy. And Russiagate you know, this hoax will prove that he's a spy. Okay? So it's not our fault. Oh, also Trump cheated. You know, it's because of Facebook. So they found all sorts of pretexts to disguise the fact that Trump won because of mismanagement by the elite. Okay? And so we have this class in America and Europe who are extremely arrogant. They live in their own bubble. They're mediocre but they think that they're superior and they're incapable of any humility any empathy. And that's why we are where we are. ### 25:28 seg-0034 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0034` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0034](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0034) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1528s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1528s) Well, when you said this, I just clicked up a quote by Professor Richard Rorty because he was making a similar point but back in the 90s because when economic liberalism and globalization of the 1990s were gaining speed, he wrote this paragraph in his book which I thought was great. essentially, this was predicting what excessive economic liberalism under globalization would look like and he wrote and it's a quote and members of labor unions and unorganized and unskilled workers will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time they will realize that suburbian white -collar workers themselves desperately afraid of being downsized are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else. At that point something will crack. The suburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for. ### 26:38 seg-0035 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0035` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0035](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0035) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1598s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1598s) Someone willing to assure them that once he is elected the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling their shots. Once the strongman takes office no one can predict what will happen. Unquote. This is a This is 1998. This is Yep. Yep. ### 27:00 seg-0036 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0036` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0036](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0036) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1620s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1620s) You better describe what happened. Yep. This is exactly what happened. Exactly. ### 27:05 seg-0037 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0037` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0037](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0037) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1625s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1625s) So this rooted in globalization and the excessive of economic liberalism is this what caused the problems which introduced the strongman or how? ### 27:15 seg-0038 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0038` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0038](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0038) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1635s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1635s) Yeah, you look I mean look you go back to 1970s and if you were living in the west at that time right? Australia, Canada, Europe, and your wife could just stay at home and be a a you know a just be just look up at the kids. You got three kids. You got two cars. You could vacation in the winter and in the summer. You had a cottage probably. All three of your kids could go to university. Right? And we're talking about like just a factory worker and like you know this is a single household. Okay? But then you got the Reagan Revolution. You had the rise of Margaret Thatcher in Britain and then you had the rise of neoliberalism which allowed for the congregation the consolidation of wealth in the 1%. You also had globalization so wealth was being transferred from the developing world into the developed world to create the speculative financial products like derivatives. ### 28:17 seg-0039 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0039` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0039](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0039) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1697s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1697s) So it went all wrong with the Reagan Revolution and the rise of neoliberalism and that's the root of all the issues that we have today. ### 28:28 seg-0040 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0040` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0040](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0040) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1708s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1708s) So what are we looking at there then? Because I think people are maybe often yeah they get too focused on the whatever Trump says today or this week but what do you see on the wider again take a step back are we looking at the meltdown of the existing international order? They're both economic the security aspect I mean the political system what are you seeing here? ### 28:54 seg-0041 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0041` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0041](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0041) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1734s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1734s) Yeah so the idea that Mark Carney has right like you know we'll just pivot to China it's not going to work and the reason why is that China doesn't want to be the hegemon of the world it doesn't want to be the military superpower it doesn't want to control the seas the way America does okay the American Empire is a unique time in history it was really not sustainable the idea that one country is able to control the entire planet through for technology for the military and for finance that was just not sustainable in the long term it really hurt America it caused America to be overextended to be over leveraged and that caused a lot of economic issues in America which allowed for the rise of Trump so we are just witnessing the breakdown of the multilateral world and there's no replacement okay and what this means is more conflicts around the world specifically ### 29:51 seg-0042 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0042` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0042](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0042) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1791s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1791s) between Russia and America but you know we don't see Central America attacking Iran at any point okay that's one thing we'll see second thing is we will see the breakdown of global trade so you know more countries will retreat onto themselves and impose tariffs to protect their local economies you will also see environmental catastrophes you know so there's this giant snowstorm that engulf America and this is gonna be the new normal you're gonna see radical climate change over the next next few years that are gonna that are going to strain a country's resources which forces them to be more militaristic for example in the case of Japan but also much more protectionist okay so so this is the reality that we're moving towards and it's very similar to basically the world in 1930s you know the Great Depression right before the start of World War II so it seems that all signs are moving towards ### 30:43 seg-0043 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0043` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0043](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0043) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1843s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1843s) a major global conflict and right now there's a lot of who's gonna take which side you have Russia on one side you have America on another side it's really a question of like you know what where will the other powers join and unfortunately I think what's gonna happen is that it's gonna be complete chaos where the sides won't be so clear it's really different countries will will choose different alliances but these will be shifting alliances over time so China will try to play both sides um you UK Europe will try to play both sides so so be a very dynamic geopolitical ### 31:22 seg-0044 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0044` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0044](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0044) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1882s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1882s) struggle well it reminds me about what uh Kennan wrote in this policy planning staff uh memorandum in 1948 he was making the point that the US has about 50 percent of the world's wealth but only only six percent of its population so this would uh well more or less it would require some manipulation of the system because people would be envious and resentful and again it's not not just that they're resentful but maintaining this this skewed distribution of power which was extremely skewed because again the outcome of World War II um yeah it was never meant to to endure but you you did say that China wouldn't simply be in a position to replace the United States and this is something Brzezinski wrote in the 1990s as well that is that the US global hegemon is something the world has never seen and will not likely see after the United States as well it's a ### 32:23 seg-0045 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0045` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0045](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0045) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1943s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1943s) very unique circumstance in history the fact that we built a whole ideology around the idea that it would be permanent is just beyond radical given that it was so unique um however how do you see then the rise now that well not just rise to China the rise of Asia but of course with China spearheading the whole thing how how do you think this Asian economies would would they behave in it differently from the European ones in other words is this uh yeah is this something about Asia that would do things differently or is it every state would behave the same way under the same distribution ### 33:04 seg-0046 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0046` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0046](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0046) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1984s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=1984s) of power yeah I'm not too optimistic that um um the century belongs to East Asia you know I I know there's a lot of talk about the East Asian century because you know South Korea Japan China they have the most dynamic economies they certainly they shouldn't have the best um and most rigorous education systems so everyone um is very jealous of how hard -working how studious East Asian students are but look the prop the reality is that Westerners like to argue Westerners are very open there's a free media and so um people are aware of the issues in the West whereas in East Asia people are much more shy they're much more differential to Authority the media um is East Asians don't like to debate so Westerners are less aware of the issues in East Asia but but let me list some issues facing East Asia that are extremely um dire okay the first is ### 34:05 seg-0047 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0047` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0047](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0047) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2045s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2045s) the demographic issue so you have an aging crisis in East Asia where people are living longer okay in fact East Asians probably have the um longest lifespan of all of all demographic groups okay so so that's one but the other thing is that East Asians aren't having children so the fertility rate in East Asia is the lowest in the world in South Korea it's as low as 0.6 uh it's I think it's gone up okay but it went as low as 0.6 Japan is one um China it's one okay replacement level of course is 2.1 and that and so like in 100 years time 20 years time these countries won't have young people anymore okay so that's a huge huge problem that needs to be addressed but which cannot be addressed think about the amount of money that South Korea has thrown at this problem okay offering tens of thousand dollars of ### 34:55 seg-0048 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0048` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0048](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0048) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2095s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2095s) dollars to young couples to get married and have children and and it's still not solving a problem because young people in South Korea look at society and they see a stagnant family competitive extremely hierarchical hierarchical and extremely unfair and so like you know like okay if I have children uh my children is not gonna have a better life than me so what's the point of having a child okay so that and that's true for for out uh East Asia and I'm sorry but if if young women are not having children that's a vote of no confidence in society so for people to say that East Asia is gonna dominate the world and how explain to me how why and how young women are not having are not getting married and they refuse and have children okay so I say that's number one number two is that is that um these countries um they are where ### 35:50 seg-0049 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0049` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0049](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0049) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2150s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2150s) they are because of a high savings rate okay so South Korea Japan China they export more than they consume but let's just assume that these markets in in the West America Europe can only afford um you know these goods from East Asia what's going to happen to these East Asian economies well they probably won't do very well and you know China has been been talking for a long long time about shifting to a consumption -based economy but look the Chinese say 40 percent of the household savings okay why do they do that these have very little faith in the economy and in the growth of their country um they don't believe in the um you know the the welfare pension system they they think that you know when I go oh when I get old the government's gonna defer me I need to take care of myself it's a very pessimistic attitude and that's why ### 36:41 seg-0050 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0050` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0050](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0050) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2201s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2201s) they don't they don't spend any money but if people aren't spending any money you can't actually grow the economy and and that's an issue that the Chinese government has been trying to solve for a long long time but they can't do it because of cultural values and the political system okay um the third thing I will point out is that in um a war in a world of global conflict and and we can expect in the Middle East will be cut off to East Asia in East Asia the economy depends on oil from the Middle East so um East Asia is not as wealthy as other parts of the world the Americas okay the Western Hemisphere is extremely wealthy but if um their economies were to be embargoed then they would have a lot of issues okay that's point number three and put number four is that South Korea Japan and China have never gone ### 37:35 seg-0051 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0051` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0051](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0051) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2255s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2255s) along historically well okay they've always been in conflict so if America were to retreat from Southeast Asia if there's like no major hegemon to maintain a peace in Southeast Asia then we can expect conflict to arise very quickly between Japan China and South Korea and um so for these reasons I'm not actually not optimistic about uh Southeast Asia um in the next few decades in fact I'm very very pessimistic yeah now the the ### 38:05 seg-0052 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0052` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0052](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0052) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2285s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2285s) divisions between the countries are are quite um interesting it's uh well it seems as if for the Russians for example the most difficult relation to have in Northeast Asia would be Japan but for Japan the relationship with Russia seems to be almost the best one by comparison no just point out the the difference to have to do with the South Koreans North Koreans Chinese um however it is interesting when you look at when you discuss with political economists they often make the point that you shouldn't measure the strength of States only in military power you have to look at the economy but if you draw some sociology there you it also shows that the the GDP and the economic numbers they don't always reflect the health of a country either and I and the that's why South Korea is an interesting example because often hailed as the most modern country in the world if you ### 38:54 seg-0053 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0053` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0053](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0053) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2334s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2334s) do like well measured by robot density in terms of how many robots per individuals and such so well I would put it on number one in terms of modernity but you know we could be at least it's in the top there uh however you look at Society what does this mean it also means they have the lowest birth rates in the world I think they are the one around 0.62 so something horrible rate like this it might have changed of course um they also are a top of suicides uh and um and if I think they still have a minister of uh of loneliness and you see the media every now and then write about the crisis in the meaning and so it does beg the question what does this mean as you thrive the most um you also begin to end your own existence uh it reminds me about the work of people ### 39:46 seg-0054 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0054` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0054](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0054) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2386s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2386s) like Amelia um oh I guess Durkheim who wrote about the the industrialization in France in the 19th century that the the areas would industrialize the most the suicides went up so how do you how do you make peace with this that the more a human being thrived the worse it it does and it goes back a little bit often to the argument whether or not uh the excesses of modernity that human beings aren't only you know rational individuals that we are we have instincts as well we're group animals essentially which aren't being uh which doesn't always do well under this economic liberalism that is society essentially becomes an appendage to Market forces is is this a key issue for Asia because as it also China so just storms ahead from being essentially a peasant country in the years to being the leading economy and the most scale so extremely modern I mean it's quite shocking ### 40:45 seg-0055 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0055` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0055](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0055) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2445s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2445s) when you when you go there to see how where they are now is is it is this the human component that gets lost under I guess so uncontrolled rapid growth um I completely agree ### 40:59 seg-0056 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0056` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0056](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0056) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2459s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2459s) I I think that the future if we are just to survive and thrive as a species we humans need to abandon these neoliberal values that have made us miserable um you know like today we're seen as consumers like the more you consume like the more value the more the more status you have in society and that's completely wrong okay because it's made us miserable it's made us lonely um and it and it's made us disconnected it made us alienated um and it's made us depressed like like think about the mental health crisis consuming the entire world okay especially in China where um you know you talk about suicide in South Korea right the suicide rate in among Chinese students is absurd and um the level of depression among Chinese high school students is is just off the wall okay so clearly the system is not working as you say if we are what we need ### 41:47 seg-0057 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0057` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0057](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0057) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2507s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2507s) to do is to recalibrate our values and find what is meaningful and purposeful in our lives and that means embracing our spirituality it means embracing our community and you know that's also what accounts for the rise of Trump because he is presenting a new vision that gets people excited okay now you can say it's racist you can say it's fascist but ultimately he is addressing fundamental human needs and quite honestly if the if the elite um if the powers that be the one percent refuse to engage the people if the people if the elite refuse to um help people reconnect spiritually as a community um then we're doomed as a species and and that's the reality that we we live in if if things go the way that um um that if things if things just follow current Trends okay and let's just ignore war then eventually we're going to die off a species because ### 42:49 seg-0058 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0058` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0058](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0058) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2569s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2569s) no one's going to have children and we're all going to cure ourselves because of our loneliness okay so we need um as a society as a world as a species to come together and talk about what gives us meaning and happiness in the world and quite quite honestly the answer is children okay how can we control the society around families around um ensuring that children have a happy childhood and become creative individuals who are resilient of empathy okay that's what the conversation we should be having ### 43:20 seg-0059 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0059` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0059](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0059) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2600s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2600s) right now yeah I often think about um solzhenitsyn because he was you've probably seen his Harvard speech in 1978 that is you know it was very critical of communism for very good reasons and he was invited to Harvard to essentially yes just uh to the communist and then he gains that he gave this speech where he made the point well it's you know everything is seen as capitalism versus communism but uh they're both suffering from the same thing which is uh to some extent excesses of the modern and ignoring the pre -modern so he pointed out that both capitalism and communism was hauling out the the spirituality in man and essentially treating it as a well more or less a machine and by doing so you know we were measuring perhaps success in all the roles of capitalism and in the world of capitalism and in the world of the wrong uh with all the ### 44:11 seg-0060 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0060` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0060](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0060) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2651s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2651s) wrong indicators um but as um just as um yeah a last question though once you know if if the US would like to restore its dominance it can of course go after China which it does but also to reorganize the various regions of the world and a key target then appears to be Iran and how are you seeing what is happening there at the moment because it is um it's it's it's quite concerning because if you are if you're in Iran you you see that the United States and Israel they they kind of attacked you it didn't work so then they stopped the war now they're regrouping and they're preparing for another attack the assumption is you know they will just keep coming for you until they can knock you out and the whole idea that this was simply about a nuclear program they kind of the Americans kind of pushed it aside and they're ### 45:08 seg-0061 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0061` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0061](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0061) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2708s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2708s) more open now but if you look at the different political groups they're supporting they're quite contradictory they're not there's no consensus between them which makes me think there's no realistic opposition they can actually put in power so in other words any person have put in place is gonna it will begin to fragment it would be a failed state it would perhaps split up but is this the objective then because if it is the objective to destroy and break up Iran to make it more manageable Iran is facing an existential threat and they should uh respond very differently and more aggressively when the next attack comes because they can't simply push back the Israelis and Americans and then stop the fighting and let them regroup and come back and do it over and over again until they're able to destroy Iran so this is um I think we should be more worried about what's happening now ### 46:00 seg-0062 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0062` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0062](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0062) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2760s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2760s) with Iran yeah so um the intention ### 46:04 seg-0063 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0063` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0063](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0063) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2764s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2764s) of the Israelis and Americans is as you say to destroy Iran uh and break it up into different states because there's a lot of ethnic diversity in Iran anyway so it's pretty easy to do so okay so so that's a plan um what they are underestimating is the resilience the resourcefulness and the unity of the Iranian people so the attitude of the government is vastly different from last year okay so last year I think there were a lot of overtures uh to the Americans and the Israelis they wanted to sit down and negotiate now the attitude coming from uh the Iran is we're gonna fight and if you hit us we're gonna fight to the end okay no more compromise no more reciprocity you attack us we will fight to the end you know um the Isla um Karane recently trolled Trump right because when when these Iranian protests were spreading throughout Iran uh uh ### 47:01 seg-0064 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0064` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0064](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0064) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2821s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2821s) earlier this month Trump tweeted out and said that these protesters we will protect these protesters um because they have the right to to protest for freedom and democracy okay now Kevin a like I think two days ago because what's happened in Minnesota tweeted out um these protests have a right to protest and we will and and we we will defend these protests okay so so he's just showing the hypocrisy of Donald Trump and Americans okay this is trolling um so I think the attitude of the Iranians is you know we had these illusions before that a piece could be negotiated we had these illusions that Americans didn't really want want war now we're fully awake now we know the intentions and now we're clearly unified and we'll fight to the end okay look at the 12 -day war the 12 -day war um um this release really believe that if they decapitate the regime it ### 47:55 seg-0065 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0065` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0065](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0065) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2875s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2875s) would fall it's like a house of cards right so they went after these senior uh leaders in Tehran and they were surprised how resilient the regime is because these senior figures were quickly replaced and the Iranians struck Tel Aviv and Israel really hard so much so that eventually Israel had to beg the Americans to come in and negotiate a a piece okay but in the process Israel basically uh destroyed its own intelligence network in Tehran okay I mean um after the war the Iranians were really quickly really quickly figure out where the intelligence leaks were now you have this um you know these protests that were engineered by Mossad so so what started these protests earlier this month is currency speculation basically the spec leaders um working with foreign intelligence right CIA Mossad they um sunk the Iranian currency which started these organic protests then Mossad agents infiltrated these protests and started to attack security ### 48:53 seg-0066 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0066` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0066](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0066) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2933s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2933s) services like they killed a lot of police officers basically and and Trump was about to go on airstrikes to back up these protests because this is a classic color Revolution playbook but what surprised everyone was that the Iranians were able to shut down the terminals and then arrest all the Mossad agents and basically shatter the the this um network uh that Mossad has spent years and years developing in Iran so um the last step um really the last thing that the Americans can can now do is just stage a false flag to initiate an attack against Iran the Iranians are prepared for this and the Israelis and the Americans are desperate and you'll be surprised I I think everyone's gonna be surprised how forceful the Iranians will be this time everyone believes that after decades of sanctions after decades of embargo the Iranians are pretty weak but you know if you look at the reading ### 49:50 seg-0067 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0067` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0067](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0067) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2990s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=2990s) history the Persians are different people the person are not the Arabs okay the Shia Muslims are different people they are not the Sunni Muslims these are people who believe in modern they believe in self -sacrifice they believe in eschatology they really believe that this is a war against the Great Satan they really believe that this is a war to save the world and so I think that the Americans is really will be really surprised by what happens when they start to attack Iran yeah I was in Iran back in May right before the ### 50:21 seg-0068 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0068` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0068](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0068) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3021s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3021s) Israelis attacked and I was also struck by when you go to different places how much the martyrdom is celebrated that uh and uh this is um and that was something you want to see in an adversary I guess it's uh you would like to see some more weakness so this yeah this could be a problem for us going after Iran uh but overall what you're describing with the around though it is um it's a it's a wider problem I think because I also hear from Moscow that they also no longer believe in any of the peace and efforts by the by the Americans even if they put together a piece the deal to to end the war in Ukraine most likely they will still one of the intelligence agencies will never leave they will still try to build up and they will prepare a just a sea of missiles for whatever comes next so and ### 51:08 seg-0069 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0069` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0069](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0069) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3068s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3068s) this is Because if the United States and the Europeans, for our sake, want peace with Iran, with China, with Russia, you would want to see some diplomatic process where you seek to chart out a new mutually acceptable status quo where we can coexist. So you would have to identify where our competing interests can be harmonized and where interests can't be harmonized, but we can at least manage the competition in a civilized way. I don't see any of this at all. I just see an effort to put a pin in it because we are losing, and then regroup and strike later. Do you know if they're seeing it the same way in Beijing, because in Tehran and Moscow, this is definitely what I'm picking up. ### 51:53 seg-0070 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0070` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0070](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0070) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3113s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3113s) Yeah, because when an empire declines, the defining characteristic is hubris, just blindness to the world as it is, just complete confidence in your own capacity to improve and pose your will on the world, and a disrespect for your opponents, a refusal to engage your opponents in serious discussion, just conquest. So America has become just a blatant mafia state. And everyone says it. Even its own allies said this, right? Like Mark Carney at the World Economic Forum. There's no greater American ally than Canada really in this world because, I mean, like Canada's just a vassal state to America. So for the part of America, it's just a vassal state to America. If you want the prime minister of Canada to criticize America as a mafia state in such a manner, then I think the entire world sees America as hopeless. ### 52:47 seg-0071 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0071` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0071](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0071) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3167s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3167s) It's almost impressive how Canada, the most loyal perhaps of all of America's allies, also due to geography, it makes sense, but they're able to alienate the Canadians. This is extraordinary to me, though. Of course, by threatening to annex their whole country, that seems to be a good approach towards doing so. It does beg the question of if this is deliberate, well, what is being done? Because I have a hard time believing that the US can actually annex Canada. I can't imagine many Canadians being for this. So how exactly is this going to work out if we recognize the appeal of nationalism in human nature? That is, you can't just shift the country under US rule. I don't know. Sorry, just a last question there. You are Canadian. How do you see this? Is this a genuine idea that they can annex Canada, or is this some game I'm not understanding? ### 53:41 seg-0072 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0072` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0072](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0072) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3221s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3221s) Right. So again, for the longest time, the world was run on consensus. It was just based on shared assumptions and values, right? And one shared assumption is the idea of national sovereignty, that if it's a country, then you need to respect that country's sovereignty. And that's the underlying basis of international law. You don't have the idea of sovereignty, you can't have international law. Okay? So for the longest time, that was the idea. But Trump, being Trump, refuses to acknowledge sovereignty, okay? So for example, the kidnap of Maduro, okay? You don't do that because you're violating a country's national sovereignty. And then to take Maduro and then parade him in New York City, and then to charge him with American crimes, okay? This guy is a president of another state. He is head of a nation state. You cannot do this, again, according to international law. But Trump doesn't do that. Trump doesn't care, okay? So Trump doesn't care about international law, he just cares about power. ### 54:36 seg-0073 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0073` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0073](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0073) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3276s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3276s) Now, if he doesn't care about international law, it's probably possible for him to go take Greenland. It's not hard. It's easy for him to take Canada as well, because Canada doesn't really have a military. And the Canadian -US border is the longest border in the world, in place of Alberta, which is the real source of the Canadian economy. So the Canadian economy is about to go bankrupt because of real estate speculation. And for a variety of reasons, okay? So the Canadian economy is in a lot of trouble. Alberta will probably have a referendum for independence. And then maybe 20 % vote for independence, okay? Not to be annexed by the United States, but for independence. Trump will say, ha, you see, the Albertans want to be independent and the Canadians won't let them. So we need to defend Alberta. We need to support the sovereignty and the freedom and democracy of Alberta, okay? ### 55:28 seg-0074 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0074` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0074](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0074) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3328s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3328s) So it's easy for Trump to do this. He can annex Canada any point. This has been true for the past 300 years. The reason why America doesn't do that is because if you were to do that, the very illusion that America is a force for good in the world would shatter, okay? And the entire world will unify against you, right? So South America would start to rebel against you. Europe would start to unite against you. So that's why you don't do it. Because if you were to do this, you would be in a lot of trouble. You would break all national norms, and everyone would see you as the major threat. But at the end of the day, Trump's going to do this, because that's who he is. He wants the facade that he's the emperor, the god emperor, Trump. ### 56:19 seg-0075 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:interview-80juke0blaq@transcript:v1#seg-0075` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0075](https://jianglens.com/interviews/interview-80juke0blaq/transcript/#seg-0075) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3379s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80jUKe0blAQ&t=3379s) So Alberta is the Greenland of the Canadians. This is the weak spot. If you can make them first secede or back to secession, then this is how we're going to do it. You break it up. Well, perhaps. Let's see how this plays out. Anyways, Professor Zhang, as always, thank you so much. I know not just me, but all the viewers as well, always appreciate your analysis. So thank you very much. There's a lot.