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# Political Prophet Predicts the Next Phase in Iran, Trump’s War Plan, & Israel’s Plot to Sabotage It transcript

- Source: [Political Prophet Predicts the Next Phase in Iran, Trump’s War Plan, & Israel’s Plot to Sabotage It](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K2nQsTTjQE)
- Published: 2026-03-20, day precision
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## Transcript

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Professor, thank you very much for doing this. We've never met. I don't know a great deal about you, but I have seen a number of your videos in which you make remarkably accurate predictions. So that's what I know about you. And I'm impressed by that, by your ability to call events before they happen. So with that in mind, let me ask you, where do you think this war in Iran is going? How will it be resolved? And what are the consequences likely to be?

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Well, thanks so much for inviting me, Tucker. I'm a huge fan. I've been admiring your work for a number of years now.

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Thank you.

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So I think that this war in Iran will be very similar to the war in Ukraine, meaning that this will be drawn out, be a war of attrition. Neither side will concede defeat, even though it is in their best interest to reach a ceasefire. And this will have dramatic consequences on the global economy. And this war could drag on for years and years. Already, we're seeing major repercussions on the global economy in that flights are being canceled. In Southeast Asia, they ran out of fuel, so they're asking people to stay at home. And in a few more months, experts are predicting a food shortage, meaning that nations will be forced into food rationing. And today, there's a major escalation in that the Israelis struck. The largest gas field in Iran. And Iran retaliated by attacking energy infrastructure of the GCC. And Iran has stated that its purpose, its goal, its strategy is to move oil

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to $200 a barrel, which will have a really significant impact on the global economy because the entire global economy is based on access to cheap energy. So unfortunately, I think that we can expect this war to drag on for years. And so this war is going to take a lot of years and years. Eventually, America will send in ground troops. Eventually, the state of Hormuz will be contested. Eventually, this will spread all across the world. Eventually, other nations will be drawn in. So Saudi Arabia is thinking about declaring war on Iran. And Saudi Arabia has a neutral defense pact with Pakistan. So Pakistan will be drawn into this war. So things are spiraling out of control. And just recently, Ali Larragini, who is the de facto head of the Iranian war effort, was assassinated. And he was a pragmatic elder statesman in Iran who had the authority to negotiate a ceasefire now that he's gone.

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There really is no more off -ramp. So both sides are committed to a long war of attrition. And the consequences for the entire global economy are quite dire.

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That is, I wouldn't say that's the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario would include a nuclear strike by one or more actors and the destruction of the Aqsa Mosque complex in Jerusalem, which would spark a religious war. So that's as bad as it could get, but you've just described one step before the worst, which is protracted, destructive, impossible to stop. So my question is, because there are so many global players, big global players. The U.S. and China, I think, who would be hurt by this. Why is there not an incentive to get it settled quickly? And why can't that happen?

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Right. So once this war starts, it achieves a momentum and a logic of its own. So the United States doesn't really have an off -ramp. Meaning that if it tries to negotiate a ceasefire. With Iran, Iran would ask for reparations, about $1 trillion, basically, it would ask for the United States to leave the Middle East permanently to ensure its long -term survival. If the United States were to do that, then the GCC nations would collectively become client states of Iran, because only Iran can guarantee their safety, as well as use of the shared Hormuz. The GCC is the basis of the plan. So if the GCC has to abandon the petrol dollar, then the GCC would have severe repercussions on the American economy. So what the GCC does is it sells oil in the U.S. dollars, and then recycles this money back into the American economy. So if the GCC were to abandon the petrol dollar, then this would have severe repercussions on the American economy.

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Also, there'd be a chain reaction in that Japan and South Korea would look at what's happened in the Middle East and decide that the United States can no longer guarantee it's their stability, and that they can't guarantee it, that it's their own sucks, and that we're going to have to keep it out of the system. safety so they would have to remilitarize um and they would have spent all the resources on on adapting to the possible china threat and then you have europe and then europe um would look at what happened in the gcc as well as in southeast asia and they would be like why are we fighting russia want to be in our best interest to negotiate a peace treaty with russia as soon as possible but this would mean the collapse of the uh u.s dollar as a global

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reserve currency remember that america is sitting on 39 trillion dollars in debt and so the american economy is a punchy scheme that relies on um foreign nations to continually buy u.s dollars so the u.s economy would not be able to withstand essentially american withdrawal from the middle east so the americans are stuck where they are right now unfortunately

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what is the chinese perspective on this i mean it seems like china has an interest in peace in the in the persian gulf with those seven oil producing countries why wouldn't china step in

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and try and settle this so both the united states and china benefit from the status quo um and china has invested interest in seeing a very quick solution to uh this war in the middle east china imports about 40 of its uh energy needs from the gcc so not just iranian oil but also qatari natural gas right so as you point out china very much wants to see as soon as possible a ceasefire um unfortunately it is the nature of the chinese government not to interfere in um foreign affairs it's china doesn't really have a geopolitical framework a grand strategy it really believes in global trade and it doesn't really have a framework for how to uh resolve armed conflict and so chinese policy policymakers are really stuck and in fact chinese policymakers have come out publicly saying that they would like uh the carnage the violence in the middle east to stop as soon

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as possible and for the straight who moves to open up um but unfortunately um as i pointed out previously when war a war starts it achieved a momentum and a logic of its own it's very hard to stop a war once it starts so if your prediction is correct

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and i pray that it's not i'm sure you do too i hope that you're wrong but if you're not wrong yes and this continues to grind in the way that it is now destroying energy infrastructure just really destroying the civilizations of the region in iran and the gcc what does that look like in say two years globally what's the effect of it i don't know i don't know i don't know for sure but

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on the global economy right so um this war it will accelerate three major trends um and nations will have to adapt to a new reality in which energy is longer cheap and accessible the first major trend is de -industrialization um meaning that right now you just have too many people living in in cities and you can do that as long as you can import cheap energy and cheap food but when cheap energy and cheap food are gone then you need people to work the fields to grow food for your economy so you have to de -industrialize uh and reduce your energy dependence okay that's one major trend that we should see very soon second major trend we should see is remilitarization in that um before we had tax americana where america basically guaranteed global peace um and america basically prevented nations from going to war against each other so for example trump brokered a ceasefire

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between india and pakistan because these two nations have much hostilities against each other but now that america doesn't no longer has the aura of invincibility and inability now that the american military does that does that come across as almighty then america doesn't have the power to stop kids from attacking each other on the playground anymore so nations have to remilitarize um especially nations like japan which before relied too heavily on american military protection okay so that's number two the remilitarization of the world and the third major trend we should see is mercantilism meaning that now that global trade is disrupted nations especially advanced industrial nations such as japan and germany they need to create their own independent self -sufficient supply chains fortunately america doesn't have this issue because the western hemisphere is extremely wealthy and abundant in natural resources but if you are japan and germany then you have to reach out and expand your

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borders if you are to maintain your industrial might so these are the three major trends we should be seeing very quickly well here's something

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that are japan the historic enemy and south korea and china all the way across the globe Korea, but particularly Japan. And I know that people in your country are very focused on Japan. So is it plausible that China allows Japan to become, say, a nuclear -armed power at this point?

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Right. So from the surface, it seems as though Japan has a lot of structural weaknesses. So, for example, it has an aging population. It has the oldest population in the world. That's a huge constraint on the future growth potential of Japan. Another problem for Japan is that it is resource -dependent. It relies on imports for its resources. And Taiwan blocks off the Strait of Malacca, right? Because Japan requires most of its energy from the GCC for the Strait of Malacca, and Taiwan will be a barrier. So if Taiwan were to reunify with China, then basically Japan can be blockaded, and they could be starved. And the other major issue, with Japan, is its economy, where for the past 30 years, it's in a deflationary spiral because of its excessive debt burden. So there are fundamental weaknesses to Japan. But I'm a historian, and I study historical patterns. And what I've seen is that the Japanese people are incredibly resilient.

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You go back to the 13th century, when the Mongols invaded not once, but twice. And at this time, Japan was very much a feudal nation. And the Mongols were very much a feudal nation. And at this time, Japan was very much a feudal nation. They were divided into different fiefdoms, and they came together, as a people, to defeat the greatest empire in the world at that time, not once, but twice. And then you go to the middle of the 19th century, when China was being carved up by these Western industrial powers. And it seems like Japan was meant to be carved up, as well. But the Japanese engaged in what's called Meiji Restoration. And in 20 to 30 years' time, they went from a feudal, backward nation into a non -feudal nation. And so, Japan is now one of those, an industrial power that ultimately defeated russia in the russian japanese

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war of 1905 right and then you go to world war ii when america devastated japan uh not just nuclear strikes but also the fire bombings yeah so at the end of world war ii japan was completely devastated but in like 20 years time in a generation they became the world's greatest manufacturing power so i would not cut the japanese out there's something about their culture that is extremely resilient um extremely entrepreneurial and i think that given crises they will come together as a people and adapt to these challenges um and so um i if i were to bet if you if you give me like a billion dollars and said in east asia you can invest your money either in china or japan or you could you could invest half and half well tucker i'll be honest

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with you um i would invest all my money in japan that's a fa what a fascinating analysis i i i I agree with you. I just, I mean, intuitively, I agree with you. But I just wonder if China can tolerate that, given the history between the two countries and the focus, and just the growth of China. Can they really allow, right in the middle of East Asia, a competing power?

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Right. So, the major issue with China is that it sells itself the Middle Kingdom, you know, China, the Middle Kingdom. Yes. Which is to say that the Chinese believe that they are a universe unto themselves. What happens outside China doesn't really impact China. So, what's important is to maintain the national sovereignty of China because it is a self -sufficient nation that has absolutely no interest in the outside world. Japan is complete opposite in that it is an island and it requires to, it basically needs to extract resources from other nations in order to survive as a nation. So, these are two very different mentalities where China is very much an agricultural self -sufficient nation. That is insular and conservative. And Japan is an outward -looking seafaring nation.

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Interesting. So, it sounds like they can coexist or, well, you just said it, you're not betting against Japan. What about South Korea, which has the one of the lowest, if not the lowest birth rate in the world in contrast to North Korea, and has basically modeled itself on the United States, I mean, down to the most basic level. The U.S. pulling back from East Asia is, I mean, that's going to be a transformative thing, I would think, for South Korea. What happens?

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Yeah, South Korea is in a very precarious position, primarily because of North Korea. So, once the United States is forced to withdraw from Southeast Asia, then North Korea can take the initiative. And the problem with this conflict is that Seoul, the largest city in South Korea, it's only 30 minutes away from North Korean artillery. So, in like a whole day, North Korea could flatten Seoul. And so, South Korea is in a very precarious position. Also, if you look at the economy of Seoul, of South Korea, it's a very ossified, very corrupt system, where just a few companies control the entire economy. And this is what's led to intense competition in South Korea, which has led to the extremely low birth rate in South Korea. So, South Korea is in a very precarious position. But what I will say about the South Koreans is that they are fanatical workers. They work really, really hard. And they have a long memory of colonial persecution from both the Chinese and the Japanese.

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And these are fiercely independent people. So, I would not be surprised if North Korea and South Korea were to come to a compromise at some point, because both nations aspire for national reunification. And because China, Japan would be in conflict with each other, then the Korean people could actually navigate this conflict to the benefit.

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That's very smart. I sense you're absolutely right about that. Let me just ask you about an observation you made parenthetically a second ago, which is because South Korea's economy is ossified and centralized, it's a monopoly economy, its birth rate is low. What's the connection between economic monopolies and low birth rate?

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Yeah, great question. So when you have a monopoly, what you do is you create a hierarchy, right? Because everyone's trying to get into these companies because these companies are the most prestigious in South Korea. And South Korea is very much a Confucian culture where face is everything. So the problem, though, is how do you get into these companies? It's a very prestigious position where everyone's trying to get in, right? And so you usually get in through the college entrance examination, which allows you to get into prestigious university, right? So if you are a South Korean couple, your strategy is either not to have children because you can't afford to play this game because you need to send your kid to cram schools, get the best tutors, basically force all your resources on ensuring the child does well on the college examination so that he or she can get into Samsung. Or you can choose not to have any children because it's too expensive for you.

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But if you choose to have children, you can only choose to have one kid because it's much more strategic for you to put all your resources into one kid than to spread it over three or four kids. So that's why an economic monopoly would naturally lead to a low birth rate.

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So what you're saying is intense competition for resources, scarce resources produces an incentive that results in low birth rate.

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Exactly. Because everyone sees themselves as competitors against each other. And you're right, you lose a sense of community, right? Because you have a lot of children because you want to contribute to the community and grow as a nation. But when you see your neighbor as your enemy, then that reduces your incentive to have children.

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Interesting. So what will be the economic effects on China and also on the rest of Asia and Southeast Asia, you know, Philippines, Vietnam, if this energy crunch continues in the Middle East?

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The reality is that... Well, this war in the Middle East is having a severe impact already on the entire Southeast Asian economy. So India imports about 6 % of its oil from the GCC. Pakistan also imports a majority of its oil. Japan imports about 75 % of its oil from the GCC. China imports about 40%. Okay, so all these countries are being impacted. And already Thailand, Vietnam are running out of fuel. And you go to a gas station, there's just no more fuel for your motorbike. And now people are being forced to work from home. There's fuel rationing. There's no jet fuel. So this is impacting all of Southeast Asia. So the question isn't who will be impacted because everyone's impacted. The question is, who will be most resilient and the most willing to innovate and adapt to this new reality? Because we're not talking about a short -term war. We're talking about a long

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-term change to the global economy. And I think that China will actually be the least resilient and the least ready to apply testing to this adapt to this new reality because for the past 30 40 years um china has got has gotten very wealthy um because of the global economy where it imports cheap energy and exports manufactured goods and the entire chinese economy is currently based on this model now for the past 20 years china has been moving towards a consumer -based economy and more of an innovation -based economy ai i but unfortunately ai itself is dependent on cheap energy and chinese consumers are refusing to spend money for a variety of reasons primarily because they're not they're not they are not that optimistic about china's um um growth for the in the future so uh chinese household savings is about four percent and unless the government is able to get chinese to spend more

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money then it will be very hard for the chinese economy to move towards a consumer -based economy so um all southeast asia will be impacted and i think china will be impacted uh the most in the long term maybe on the short term because china still has access to iranian oil i mean scott doesn't announce today that they will lift sanctions on iranian oil in order to make sure the global economy is not too impacted by this war in the long term um the chinese economy it is now much too um focused on export um and manufacturing in order to shift to a much more diversified economy right people seem to be more

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Yeah, and I would say, look, the East is going to be much more impacted than the West. Because at the end of the day, the Western Hemisphere, America, I mean, the wealth in the Western Hemisphere is just tremendous. I mean, the Western Hemisphere is self -sufficient, but that's not true for Southeast Asia. Southeast Asia is very dependent on energy from overseas.

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How does this affect Africa?

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Right. So with this war in Ukraine and with this war in the GCC, experts are saying that in the worst case scenario, you could have famine in Africa. Because so much of food and energy sustains the African economy. And so, yeah.

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Okay. Just moving West now. What about the GCC? What does that look like in five years?

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Right. So, unfortunately, the biggest loser of this war, regardless of how it turns out, okay, even if Americans were to win, the biggest loser is the GCC. Because for the past 30, 40 years, the GCC is basically built on a mirage. Because it's essentially a desert with very little access to fresh water. And very little agriculture. And so it couldn't really sustain a large population. But with the petrodollar and with American military protection, then the GCC nations felt free to invest in technology that allowed them to grow their population. Right. So these desalination plants, modern infrastructure. So you sort of saw this massive growth in Dubai, in Qatar, in Riyadh. And what this war has done. Is shattered this mirage and revealed the limitations of the GCC. So, for example, look at Dubai. So Dubai, for many years, has prided itself as this safe, very cosmopolitan, very open tax haven. So a lot of wealthy people immigrated to Dubai.

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But because of this war. And we're talking about like a few drones hitting hotels. It's really shattered the image of Dubai. And once you shatter this mirage, you can never, ever rebuild it again. So the idea of Dubai as like the future New York or London, the financial capital of the GCC. It's this mirage has evaporated.

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Iran in five years.

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So Iran is being devastated right now. So the Israelis and Americans are attacking. Critical. So the Israelis attack the largest gas field in Iran, the desalination plant was destroyed, but we also have to remember what is being hidden from us and what's being hidden from us is the fact that the Israelis and Americans are trying to destroy the capacity of the state to govern the nation, basically destroyed the state's monopoly on violence. And so what we're hearing are attacks. On police officers, on military installations, and there's talk of special forces going into Iran and starting to fund, fund dissonant groups, right, like the Kurds and the Polakis in south east Iran. So no matter what happens in this war, it's going to be very hard for the government to maintain national control, even if they were to survive this war. And also another huge issue. For Iran is that for the past few years, it suffered drought issues.

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Um, so it's agriculture was heavily impacted. They were actually talking about moving, um, terrain, uh, um, like moving these millions of people out of the city of terrain because the capital can no longer sustain this large population. So, um, this war will only exaggerate these environmental issues. Um, especially with the attacks on critical civil infrastructure, for example, dams. Reservoirs. Um, these are, these are, these are nation plants and it's gonna take years and years for Iran to recover from this war. Um, as a nation, you, you have, um, basically the storing of ethnic settlements. Um, you have the destruction of the state's capacity to deliver basic services, but the good news for Iran is that it seems as though they will be able to maintain control over the ship who moves. And that is critical because now they're able to. Charge a toll on anyone who uses a straight of home moves

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and to talk about 10%, which is generally about, about $800 billion a year annually for Iran. So the nation will be destroyed, um, in this war, but, um, it, but if it's able to harness the, uh, Clyde of the Persian people, if it's able to unify the Persian people, uh, and it's, it's able to leverage the resource of this reform was, um, effectively, then, uh, we, we can expect, uh, Iran to rise again. In. The. 10 to 20 years time.

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Where is Israel in a few years from now?

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So if you look at the main beneficiary of this war, it is Israel because Israel has an ambition called the greater Israel project, which is what they believe that their God Yahweh promised to their, um, ancestor Abraham. Um, and so they believe that Yahweh promised, uh, Abraham, Abraham, all the land from the Nile in Egypt to Euphrates in, um, Iraq. If you look at the entire map, it also extends to Anatolia, which is Southern Turkey and even into Saudi Arabia. So if you look at what's happening, well, it's convenient in that the GCC is being destroyed. Saudi Arabia will probably drawn into this war. It is possible Turkey will be drawn into this war as, as well. And this war allows Israel to remake the middle East in its own image. Also, if you think about it, according to game theory. The main constraint to Israel achieving the greater issue of project is actually not

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Iran, but America, because America guarantees the military safety and protection of the GCC, uh, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Iran, uh, UAE, these nations. And so if issue is, is become dominant, uh, it's become the hegemon of the middle East. It needs to figure out how to remove America from the equation. And quite honestly, uh, this war. War has shown the limitations of American power. It's, it's really, um, annoyed the American people. The American people do not want this war and American people haven't, don't even understand why America is in the middle East. And so it's very possible that regardless of what happens in this war, America is forced to withdraw from the middle East, which case Israel is able to achieve its greater Israel project.

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Um, I think the way this war is going, this plan will work. And the reason why is they will, the American military has not fought a real war for decades. 2003, this war in Iraq was not a real war because suddenly Hussein basically gave up. He didn't have air defense because those economic sanctions. Had destroyed his economy and his logic was this, let the Americans invade. They can't possibly invade because if they destroy us, that would make Iran, uh, which has hostilities against America, the regional power. So why would America do this? It is self -defeating. It is not logical. It is not rational. So I'm not worried about them, um, um, attacking me. And he was surprised when they did attack because it was not logical. It was not rational. Um, but they did it. They did attack and it was, it was a cakewalk. It took about two weeks. Um, America achieved, um,

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air supremacy very quickly and they rolled into Baghdad in a very, very quickly and toppled the regime. So that was a very quick and easy war that fit the American military of shock and awe. Um, Iran is simply different and the American military does not want to fight this war because they've war game this countless, countless times and each war game, they discovered that. They, they, they lose because the American military it's, it's too bulky. It's not as nimble and resilient as the Iranian military. And we're seeing that play out right now where you have these devastating, um, carriers, Abraham Lincoln and the Gerald Ford threatening, uh, Iran, but not actually doing anything because they're, they're afraid of getting too close to the coast of Iran because then they become susceptible to drone strikes as well as hypersonics. So the Iranians have been preparing this for 20. Plus years. They know the entire American playbook and they have the perfect strategy to counter, uh, the American playbook.

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So America will have a really tough time when this war, the great problem. Okay. The big question now is will America send in ground troops because once America sends in ground troops, then it becomes pot committed. It's it's mission creep, some cost fallacy. It'll be like Vietnam over. So right now there's talk of 2,500. Marines, uh, who've, um, um, coming in from Okinawa, they'll be in the middle East in about seven days time. Um, and the talk is the rumor is, and I don't know, but the rumor is the intention is for them to take the card Island, which is the main oil depot for Iraq. So Iran exports 9 % of its oil from that facility, the Island. And if the Marines were to take it, it would be great optics. You know, Trump would look good on TV. It would be a great boost.

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It would be a great boost for the, uh, for American morale. The problem is that you can take it, but you can't hold it because it's too close to rain and coast and Iranians can attack with artillery with drones. Okay. Which means that you now have to take up, take on the coast. You have to, you have to occupy the coast and credit for operating base, but then you're exposed to the dagos mountains, right? Which means that you're now forced to occupy the mountains as well. So it's mission creep. It's exactly like Vietnam. We're in 1965. Um, 3,000. Marines went into that nan to, to, um, occupy an air base and like four or five years later, you have, you have a half a million troops, right? So it started off as a very limited, um, self -defined mission, but then it just balloons. Um, so America could find itself in the situation very quickly.

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If you were the commander in chief of the United States, what would you do at this point as of today?

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Commander in chief, meaning Donald Trump.

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Yeah. You get to make the decision. Or what? What? What does America do next? If it's acting in its own interest, if it's trying to preserve its power and wealth at this point, what does it do?

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Well, first of all, I would acknowledge that all these events are interconnected, right? So this trade war of China, this war in Ukraine, this war in the middle East, it's all interconnected because the American empire is, um, too overstretched and it has its fingers on everything. And so it allows its enemies to provoke it into these, um, never. Meaning wars. So what I would do is basically sit down everyone. Okay. Including Russia, China, Iran, and say, it's time for a new world order where we are partners in this relationship, right? Before America was a hegemon before the US dollar was a world reserve currency. Uh, but now what we want to do is open a dialogue where everyone is respected, where, um, America is no longer the bully, but a winning. Partner in creating a new economic order that benefits everyone and not just, and not just a few.

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I, I think that's the, the wisest possible advice and probably the only path that preserves civilization. Um, and, but they're the one country standing in the way of that is Israel, which is the only beneficiary of this war. As you just said, I think that's true. Can you think of another beneficiary other than Israel of this war?

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Well, Russia benefits, right? Because Russia is trying to win this war in Ukraine. That's correct. And, um. And America is forced to lift, uh, oil sanctions. And so now Russia is now able to take all these war profits, right? And then help the Iranians, finance the Iranians in the struggle against the Americans and the Israelis. So the Russians also benefit tremendously from this war.

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Yeah, but fair point. Israel has to be constrained by the United States in order to do what you just recommended it do. Is that possible? Does the American president have the authority to control its client state?

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Um, so if you look at the. Domestic situation in Israel, um, Israel no longer behaves rationally, it is sort of overtaken by eschatological fever, right? So if you look at, uh, videos coming out of Israel, there are rabbis going around saying that this war in the Middle East, even though it's destroying Tel Aviv, um, it's good for us because this will lead to the, to the coming of our Messiah. Um, so they believe that it is when. Israel is under the most strain when Israel, when the very existence of Israel is threatened, then God will intervene because the Jewish people will come together as a nation again and commit themselves, renew their faith in God. And once God sees the, um, blind trusting absolute faith of the Jewish people, then he will save his people by sending his Messiah. Who will then redeem. The, um, uh, Jewish people. So another thing, this is secular. Temporal matters don't really matter.

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This war in the Middle East, not an issue. What matters is divinity. What matters is our relationship with God. Yes. So what matters is faith in nuclear bombs go flying. Doesn't really matter.

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It's what's, what's so interesting is that, you know, 25 years ago at nine 11, whatever you think of how that happened and why there was. I saw it personally, you know, a political Islam, there were Wahhabists, there were a lot of Islamic radicals around the world and for a bunch of reasons over 25 years that hasn't disappeared, there still exist Islamic radicals, but it's not, uh, you know, an important political force anymore at the same time as Islam in general has become much more moderate and the GCC is the most obvious example of this. There has been a rise of Jewish. Wahhabism and evangelical Christian Wahhabism, so to speak. I mean, you've seen this eschatological extremism among some American Protestants, Christians, and some, uh, Israeli and American Jews. What, how did that happen? What is that? Right.

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So, first of all, I, I don't think we can ever overestimate the influence of eschatology in American politics. So I'll give you an example where about a quarter of Americans are evangelicals and, and a lot of them are Christian Zionists. Um, so they believe that Israel is crucial, the linchpin to achieving God's plan and the return of Jesus. And so a very prominent figure that you probably know very well is John Haji who runs something called the Christians United for Israel. It's 7 million, um, uh, members. And these are the people who. Financing a lot of the conflict in, uh, the middle East, um, in Israel, because they're the ones who are funding West bank settlements. And so Christian Zionism, it is an extremely powerful political force in, um, in America. So, um, your question is how did this happen? Um, and yes, the, the issue, the issue is that this is a plan, um, that has been in motion for centuries.

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And it's a very complicated, um, um, uh, history, but it involves, um, uh, different religious groups among the Jews. Something Frankus about Lubavitch, which you've talked about, but also involves the free masons, the Knights Templars, the Rosicrucians, it involves the Jesuits. So you have these different, um, different secret societies, different religious organizations working together for the centuries to achieve this plan. for the end of the world, which heralds the messianic age, okay? And there are different components of this plan, but the basic components are, one is the creation of the nation state of Israel, which happened in 1948. And then you need to have the building of the third temple, which requires the destruction of the Al -Aqsa Mosque, which is actually, which could happen during this war, given what we've seen so far. So the Israelis have closed off the Al -Aqsa Mosque as well as other religious sites like the Church of Holy Sepulchre to tourists these past few days.

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There's rumors that for the past two years, the Israelis have been conducting these archeological digs under the Al -Aqsa Mosque to basically destroy the foundations of the mosque, so that they can conduct a controlled demolition of the mosque and blame it on a miscellaneous social strike from the Iranians. And there's actually talk among the Israelis of using this plan to ignite a war between the Arabs and the Persians. So the Al -Aqsa Mosque needs to be destroyed for the third temple. They also talk about this war of Gog and Magog between Israel and the entire world. Then the coming of the Jewish Messiah, the creation of the greater Israel project, the return of all Jews from the diaspora. So, there are different components. To this plan, if you just observe geopolitical events, we're seeing these events converge together today. I mean, all these events are playing out.

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So it seems as though there are these very powerful shadow forces working behind the scenes. We don't know who they are, but it seems as though they're able to control geopolitics in a certain manner as to fulfill their eschatological script.

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What role do you think Donald Trump plays in this?

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That's a really hard question to answer. So let's look at different possibilities. The first possibility is that he's been employed as an actor and he's just following a script. He doesn't really know where this movie is going. He's just doing his part, but he's manipulated behind the scenes by people around him. And when reporters asked him, why is this war in Iran happening? He did say, it's not a war. He didn't say that his advisors, which includes Sivakov, Jared Kushner, Peter Hegseth, Marco Rubio, told him that the Iranians were so close to getting a nuclear weapon and that the Iranians were going to attack first. And so I was basically misled. And I think that's probably true in that Trump surrounds himself with certain people that have a certain political eschatological agenda. So that's one possibility that he's just an actor. Okay. The other possibility is that he himself has a mezzanine calling. And what

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I mean by that is, if you go back to during 2021, he was politically dead, right? Because during six riots happened, he was impeached twice. And then after he left office, there was lawfare conducted against him and he went bankrupt. So it was also the entire world. Wow. And then he went against him. But now he's president of the United States. And so how would he personally understand this? I think a lot of it is God has asked him to serve. There's a call to serve and he has to fulfill a mission. What this mission is, okay, what this mission is, whether it's to save Israel, whether to save America, whether it's a part of a grander scheme, only he in his heart knows. And I think no one except him knows. Okay. So I think that's another possibility. And the third possibility. And the third possibility is that this is all Israel's doing, Netanyahu is the one who's forced him into this sort of situation because the Israelis attacked first.

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And Marco Rubio said this, where, you know what, we wanted these negotiations, but the Israelis were planning to attack, if they attack, the Iranians would be compelled to attack both the Americans and the Israelis, and we did not want to put our soldiers in harm's way. So we attacked with the Israelis. Okay. So it's possible. This is all Netanyahu and all his machinimations. Okay. And another fourth possibility is they have co -opted him, like there's blackmail on him, and he has no choice but to do what he says because he's compromised in a certain way, and maybe his family is under threat. So all four are possibilities, and quite honestly, I have no idea which possibility is the most correct.

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Yeah, I don't think anybody does, and I've really tried to keep, you know, speculation to a minimum. You always want to believe that people's motives are transparent, that they state why they're doing what they're doing. But of course, you can never know what's inside a man, right? Even in yourself, it's hard to know your own motives very often. So I think that's a wise take. What happens to North America, United States, and I do want to include Mexico and Canada, we don't think a lot about those countries, but they're both massive land masses, and they have big populations, and they're our neighbors. And so if the world is reorienting, I think you need to think in terms of continents rather than just nation states. What does that look like in three or four years?

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Right. So from a geopolitical perspective, if America is forced to retreat back into the Western Hemisphere, it needs to worry about resources. And so it is in the best interest of America to eventually take over and colonize both Canada and Mexico. Yes. Mexico for its labor supply, Canada for its resources, you know, Canada is part of the wealthiest country in the world.

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I know.

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And so from a geopolitical perspective, if the world is retreating into self -sufficiency, if there's mercantilism, if there's trade barriers, then America has absolutely no choice but to ensure its own supply networks. And that means eventually taking over Greenland, Canada, Mexico, Latin America, Cuba, Venezuela. So America doesn't really have much choice in that. At the same time, what we're seeing is that this war as well as other events are causing political fissures in America, especially between left and right. So we just what happened in midapolis in January. Right. Um, and so we can expect that as this war continues and there's a strong possibility that Donald Trump will call a national draft in order to ensure the manpower to fight this war, then you will have riot in the streets. You have massive violence. violence, in which case the National Guard is deployed, there's a plan to deploy the National Guard to all major American cities by April.

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And so unfortunately, America, it's probably gonna suffer a long, many years of sectarian violence, not a full fledged civil war, but maybe something along the lines of the troubles in Ireland. I'm not sure if you've seen this terrible movie called One Battle After Another, it's just a terrible movie by the way, but it gives you insight into what a civil war might look like where you have these insurgent groups fighting against the state. So yeah.

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But you expect the United States to hang together as a coherent nation state.

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Listen, Tucker, the United States is the greatest nation in the world. The people are open, generous, entrepreneurial, energetic. The resources of America are infinite. America is a kind of a fortress. So that... It's protected by two oceans. America doesn't have a peer competitor in North America and South America. And so, I mean, America, regardless of what happens, America will still come out doing pretty well just because of the peer energy and creativity of its people.

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See, you mentioned Canada. Most Americans don't even know the capital of Canada. Canada does not appear on there. Radar doesn't figure it out. They don't figure in their thoughts. But you described it as probably, quote, probably the richest country in the world. I think that's objectively true. And yet Canada is not a rich country. In fact, it's getting poorer. Its life expectancy is declining. Its GDP is declining. And that's on purpose. The nation of Canada has been suppressed on purpose. Its population is being killed off by the state through its assisted suicide program. And its population is changing through mass immigration against the will of the population. So. Yeah. That country is being held down on purpose. And my question is, by whom and why? Sure.

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That's a great question. And it's something that I struggle with all the time because I am a Canadian citizen. I went to school there. So my answer is that Canada was never really a nation state. It's more of a glorified resource colony for the British, the city of London. Yes. And the reality is now that the British are under a lot of strain, the city of London is under a lot of financial pressure. It sees places like Australia, New Zealand, and Canada. And what do you do if you have financial issues? You do corporate restructuring, right? You change the middle management, right? And historically, you know, the British got along very well with the Indians. Right? They went into India and stole trillions of dollars from the Indians. And the elite, the Indian elite, were perfectly happy to help them, right? So why not use the same model for Australia, for Canada? So there are millions of Indians who immigrated to Canada in the past five years.

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And it's put a lot of strain on the Canadian economy because housing prices have exploded. And so ordinary Canadians can no longer afford to buy a house. And it's put tremendous pressure on the Canadian welfare system, on the Canadian economy. And you would think that the proper strategy would have a moratorium where they're like, you know what, we've had too many immigrants and we need to close the borders and absorb these immigrants because we want to ensure that these immigrants have proper housing. They have decent jobs, right? You would think that that'd be the right strategy. Yes. And instead, Mark Carney goes to India and says, we want more. We want more Indians. And also, we'll give you scholarships to come to Canada to study for free. Meanwhile, there are a lot of Canadians who are homeless, who are unemployed and who cannot put food on the table.

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But hey, we want more Indians. So if it's not corporate restructuring, if it's not trying to asset strip Canada, I really don't understand the strategy for this.

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Well, I mean, it's a kind of genocide, right, against Canadians, people whose ancestors built the country. But you wonder what the purpose is. Because it is happening all over the West, all over the English -speaking world in the white countries. And it's not an accident. It's not organic. So it's a big picture that spans from Australia to Ottawa. And what is that? Do you know?

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Right. So let's look at Europe. Because in 2014, this was a major turning point in Europe because you had these tens of millions of refugees. Trying to escape these wars in the Middle East, created by America's wars in the Middle East. And they were trying to reach Europe. And at this point, Europe had a choice. It could choose to close its borders and maintain its cultural identity, or it could open the floodgates. And Angela Merkel, the chancellor of Germany, she said something really, really famous and that stuck in my mind, which is, we can do this. We are Europeans. Somehow. We can take in these millions of refugees and welcome them into our societies and thrive as a people. And the complete opposite has happened. You've got millions of these refugees who fled into Europe, not because of their choice, by the way, but because their nations were devastated, right? Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq were all devastated in these wars against terror in the Middle East.

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So, they go, and these are proud Islamists. They love their religion. They love their family. They love the community. And so, they're not going to absorb themselves and assimilate themselves into Europe. And today, you're looking at population replacement in a lot of cities. You go to certain places in Britain, and you might think you're in Cairo or Baghdad. And this has caused tremendous conflict throughout Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if like two to four million people in the Middle East have been displaced. You have civil war break out, insurgencies break out in places like Britain and France. So the question is, why is this happening throughout the world at the same time? Why is it that these different nations, whether they're European, whether they're Canadian or Australian, why are they adopting the same policies, not just in terms of COVID, right, but also in terms of like immigration?

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And so, that's one of the great questions. That we have to ask about the world we live in today. It seems as though it's almost a controlled demolition of Western civilization, right? The Anglosphere, Western Europe. It seems as though these nations are being destroyed purposely. For what end? I don't know. But I would just say there's a certain pattern that has emerged, and the result can only end up in the controlled demolition of these societies.

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I don't think. I don't. I don't. I don't even think that's up for debate. I mean, of course, just look at the bottom line numbers. You know, of course, the white populations are being killed on purpose. And the question is why? And I don't have the faintest idea. And I know there's a lot of speculation as to who's doing it. I'll just say bluntly, I don't know. I mean, I know who the instruments are, of course, but Keir Starmer is not in charge of Great Britain. Macron isn't in charge of France. I'm not sure how many leaders really do have control. I don't know how many countries actually have sovereignty. I really don't know the answer. But something is going on. Is there any precedent for this in history? Have you ever seen anything like this as a historian?

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Right. So you look at what's happening in Ukraine, where the war is lost. It was lost two years ago. The Ukrainians have lost over a million fighting men. A lot of their people have fled overseas. No matter what happens in this war, Ukraine is finished as a nation state. It is no longer viable as a nation state. And rather than omit defeat and come to a ceasefire with Putin, what the Europeans are doing is just saying that we're going to draft our men and have them fight in the trenches of Ukraine, which would be suicide because the Russians dominate the battlefield with their drones and artillery in trenches in Ukraine. So it's almost like a suicide mission, but not only that, but the Germans have said that we can only draft German men, but not Islamic men, because we're afraid of their loyalty. Which means that you have a situation where local men like British, French, German men are being sent to die in the trenches of Ukraine.

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And back at home, you have these immigrant population that have not assimilated into your culture. Right. So it's a really weird strategy. And I don't know who comes up with this sort of stuff. And look, there's no historical precedent for this. There just isn't. I mean, there's been incidents of mass immigration. You go back to the fall of the Roman Empire and how these hordes of immigrants flooded the Romans. And it's almost impossible to assimilate. So many people eventually there's going there's going to be a cultural takeover eventually with so many people who are insistent on meeting their their cultural identity eventually because because they have more children than you eventually they're going to overwhelm your cultural identity.

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Yeah. And I do think that is the story of history. One population replacing another. There's no such thing as multiculturalism. There's always a dominant culture that, you know, insists on dominance. Of course. I just don't think there's ever been anyone who thought this could happen globally, like a systematic targeting of a race for elimination globally. I mean, it wasn't possible until pretty recently, but it would be interesting to know what the plan is. There's clearly like a plan behind that. There's a plan behind everything. How many Americans do you think understand what's actually happening in the world right now?

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You know, unfortunately, I think. That if you are educated in America, you know, I went to Yale, Yale, and so I know a lot of these Ivy League people. Yes. Unfortunately, we've been indoctrinated to believe certain values and these values are not questionable. So for example, there was a court case that went to the Supreme Court about affirmative action at the University of Michigan. And affirmative action is clearly against American values. Against. The idea of American meritocracy. Right. But the Supreme Court said that affirmative action was good because diversity is an inherent good. Okay. And it's interesting because if you go to a place like Yale or Harvard or any of these Ivy League schools, there's actually very little diversity. I'm talking about intellectual diversity.

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Yes.

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Yeah. I mean, like there's different skin color, but if you actually look at the ideas that they engage with in a classroom, it's a very conformist setting. So it's one of these great ironies where. Yeah. Affirmative action is supposed to bring diversity to the classroom. But if you go to any classroom in an elite setting, it's extremely conformist. You're not allowed to bring up these issues about, you know, population replacement, immigration, because then you'd be called a racist. And that's the worst thing to be called, right? I mean, like you're better off being called a pedophile. Yeah. Pedophiles have more rights now than racists. So unfortunately, it's not just. Right. what's happening in current events. It's also what's happening in the classroom where and in the public culture where people are not even allowed to ask questions that are like blindly obvious if you just walk the streets of any Western city.

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You've lived around the world, I think you're now in China.

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Does the rest of the world see this more clearly?

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Yeah, I mean, if you're not in the West and if you're not subjected to this brainwashing, indoctrination that they feed you in the schools, I mean, it's obvious. Again, it's bloody obvious to anyone if you just walk the streets of any major city in the West. So there's a joke in China, and so Chinese don't actually like to go to Canada for tourism. And someone asked, why doesn't anyone recommend Chinese going to Canada? And the response was, well, would you recommend someone going to India, right? So it's a bit racist. It's very racist, okay? But I mean, it's obvious to people.

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It's just interesting because I'm not defending the whites. I am white, of course, but white people have done a lot of bad things just like people do a lot of bad things. But in general, people like to go on, as you just noted, vacation in white countries because they're pretty nice. So I think you'd have to say if you took the emotion, out of it and just looked at it, net net, whites have been pretty big addition to the world, invented a lot of stuff, created a lot of beauty, created places people like to go on vacation, which really is a good test. So why would you destroy all that?

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Look, so in my school, I teach great books. I teach Western civilization. I teach Homer, the Iliad, the Odyssey. I teach Plato, the Republic. I teach Dante, the Divine Comedy. I teach the Bible, and my students love it. Because Western civilization, it's just not about people being white. It's really about what it means to be human and what it means to be spiritual and to have connections with the divine. So it's unfortunate that just when the world needs Western civilization the most, the West decides to destroy its own civilization. I mean, Homer, Dante, Plato, Shakespeare, the Bible, these are timeless, classics that speak to every human. I know because I teach in China to Chinese students who have absolutely no exposure to Western culture, yet they fall in love with Plato, Dante, Homer, and Shakespeare. And why is that? And it's because there is eternal truth embedded in their words. And so universities, Western universities ought to be the places, the fortresses that are the greatest defenders of Western civilization.

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If you go again to these elite universities, Yale, Harvard, they are the most critical of Western civilization. They don't want to teach Homer and Dante and Plato. It's like, if you don't teach these classics, what's the purpose of university? I always thought the university was the heart and center of civilization. It's like what monasteries were in the medieval age. And for the masters, they would dedicate their lives to promoting the classics, but instead, they now promote complete nonsense like DEI. And yeah.

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And this is my last question, Professor. Thank you. It's been a wonderful conversation, and I hope it won't be our last. And I hope we can have dinner when we're on the same continent. But this is my last question. Since you've traveled so much and lived so many places and speak multiple languages, where would you say you would be the most successful? the part of the world that's most hostile to western civilization as you just described it is trying to understand where this hostility is coming from well i would say

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um canada britain western europe i would say these places are the most hostile towards western civilization uh chinese people have tremendous respect for western civilization uh in fact in china's you know in the process of promoting uh the classics uh plato homer shakespeare in china because chinese recognize the tremendous cultural value and immense eternal truths embedded in these classics so so we're in a very weird situation where um the west is destroying itself by abandoning what makes it great uh which which is you know these classics i think if we talk

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i'm gonna start to cry on camera so i'm gonna i'm gonna take an emotional break here uh professor thank you okay no what i do not mean no no no i'm half kidding no it's it's emotionally resonant for me because i know that you're telling the truth and it comports with everything that i've seen and so it's hard to accept something that's true but i think what you're saying is true unfortunately so uh bless you for this and i hope to see you again soon thank you yeah i really enjoyed it

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