--- title: "Dante #9: Hell Cantos 32-34, Purgatory Cantos 1-4 transcript" description: "Source-synced transcript archive for Dante #9: Hell Cantos 32-34, Purgatory Cantos 1-4." source_title: "Dante #9: Hell Cantos 32-34, Purgatory Cantos 1-4" published_at: "2026-06-24" source_class: "episode" public_url: "https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/" markdown_url: "https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript.md" text_url: "https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript.txt" source_url: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc" data_url: "https://jianglens.com/data/lens/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac.json" --- # Dante #9: Hell Cantos 32-34, Purgatory Cantos 1-4 transcript - Source: [Dante #9: Hell Cantos 32-34, Purgatory Cantos 1-4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc) - Published: 2026-06-24, day precision - Human transcript page: [/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/) - Episode page: [/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/) - Transcript Markdown: [/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript.md](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript.md) - Transcript text: [/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript.txt](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript.txt) - Episode JSON: [/data/lens/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac.json](https://jianglens.com/data/lens/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac.json) ## Transcript ### 0:00 seg-0001 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0001` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0001](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0001) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=0s) okay good morning uh welcome back any questions or comments from uh yesterday uh yes uh yeah i ### 0:12 seg-0002 - Speaker: SPEAKER_12 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0002` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0002](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0002) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12s) i did a i got went down a rabbit hole about ulysses um and it's it's rife in the academic sources about like nobody really agrees on what ulysses is doing in there and why all academics seem to be contingent on this um he's in the he's in the realm of false counselors and he obviously he went on the the boat trip um and convinced his men we need to go to the end of the world and he gave false counselor to them but it's just a boatload of men there's no reason why giving false counselor to 50 people would end him in this level of hell and when the few places that we don't see so remember you know you could have been there two or three times in a fight and the advanced speak sinned because dante has this arrogance that you keep speaking about and so they they find certain points in the ### 1:35 seg-0003 - Speaker: SPEAKER_12 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0003` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0003](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0003) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=95s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=95s) in the canto to to really point that out but i thought it was important because i had a college professor who spoke about lord alfred tennyson's poem on ulysses right and it finishes with uh ulysses is an old man and he's sitting with his his son telemachus and he's like uh oh i'm so sad and the final line is i'm made weak by time and fate but strong in will to strive to seek to find and not to yield and tennyson is essentially doing what homer has done which is like maybe there's some there's some nobility in in both but you're sitting next to your son who you've abandoned your whole life yeah like like appreciate your son and quit quit going on out and um he this college professor brought it up because that final quote would be on uh pictures on students walls with like the moon landing and stuff and they would ### 2:27 seg-0004 - Speaker: SPEAKER_12 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0004` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0004](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0004) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=147s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=147s) and students were like yeah you get it like always go out go beyond your means be victor frankenstein um and he's like humanity's taking the wrong message that everybody has been trying to tell us now and so it's it's effective dante puts him there because he essentially is a false counselor to all of humanity up until today ### 2:46 seg-0005 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0005` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0005](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0005) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=166s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=166s) right okay all right so that's really interesting um so let me make some comments first of all ulysses is there where he has been punished not because uh he sailed away from his family it's because of the trojan horse right so he counseled the greeks uh to devise a trojan horse and that's what he's punished for and that's pretty explicit in the divine comedy uh that's point one okay not not for misleading his man to the devs but for uh advising the greeks to use a trojan horse uh which destroyed troy which is um which and they are the ancestors to the romans that's point one point two is like what we need to remember is that at this time in history dante does not have access to homer uh he knows ulysses through the iniat uh because in the iniat it says explicitly that ulysses advised the greeks on the trojan horse him and ### 3:47 seg-0006 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0006` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0006](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0006) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=227s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=227s) damides and that's why they're shoving together um point three is that if you actually read homer's odyssey it's a very different take on uh odysseus um i've taught the odyssey and the the odyssey is ultimately not about a journey outward but a journey home to his family and he comes home and realizes that what really matters is family and it's a family reunion so it goes counter it's really interesting but it goes counter to the popular western narrative that ulysses he is a romantic wanderer or explorer um so um what i should have done is actually taught homer then taught virgil then taught dante because they're it's a straight legacy okay uh virgil responded to homer and then don is responding to virgil and what's really interesting is that dante never read homer uh because at this time i you can't access the greek but homer and dante agree on everything so it's almost like ### 4:54 seg-0007 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0007` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0007](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0007) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=294s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=294s) dante is the second coming of homer so it's really interesting that that way ### 4:58 seg-0008 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0008` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0008](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0008) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=298s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=298s) yes maybe um virgil intentionally tried to make home and the odyssey look bad because they wanted to or he wanted to kill the greek culture right so he wanted to replace it with the roman culture and so he can like he talks bad about the odyssey and exactly and and this is something we'll go more ### 5:20 seg-0009 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0009` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0009](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0009) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=320s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=320s) into later on but remember from last week you're going to see a lot of the greek culture in this last class, we talked about how the counterfeiter was arguing with Sinon, the man who tricked the Trojans into letting in the Trojan horse. They were arguing who is worse. And it was Virgil who created Sinon, right? So basically, if you think about it, if you just use your imagination, there's a counterfeiting of coin, and then there's a counterfeiting of poetry, right? So what he's really saying is, okay, master, I'm saying to Sinon, hey, maybe I counterfeited coin, but you counterfeited someone's poetry. You plagiarized someone's poetry. Isn't that much worse than counterfeiting coins? Because at this time in history, remember, counterfeiting coins is a really serious crime, especially in Florence, because they're very proud of their currency, which is considered pure gold, right? So we'll go back to that section. But yeah, that's a good point, okay? ### 6:22 seg-0010 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0010` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0010](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0010) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=382s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=382s) Any more points? Yes? ### 6:25 seg-0011 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0011` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0011](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0011) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=385s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=385s) So last night I was reading a journal entry by Manly P. Hall. ### 6:30 seg-0012 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0012` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0012](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0012) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=390s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=390s) Right, yes. ### 6:31 seg-0013 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0013` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0013](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0013) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=391s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=391s) And it's just his commentary on the Divine Comedy. And what I thought was interesting relating to the question we discussed towards the end of class about why is hell frozen and it's not moving, is he separately not related to that question. And I quote, And then a few sentences later says, So if we think of then hell again, if there's no movement and it's all frozen, then surely that implies that it's not moving. And I quote, And it's because we're so deep in the inferno that there is so little will and desire and you're so far from connecting with the divine. ### 7:28 seg-0014 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0014` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0014](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0014) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=448s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=448s) Yeah, exactly. They've basically given up on themselves, right? So it's really interesting. And I'll point out that occultists do read Divine Comedy literally. Like they really believe that Donnie had a near -death experience or he had visions of the afterlife. And they do take him literally. And today we will go into Dramatic Perspective. And I'm going to go into that in a minute. to see how they've put themselves in that position, that deep level of possession, which is something that they're really concerned about, right? Is it possible to be possessed by angels and demons? And Dante refers to this in The Divine Inferno. And we'll discuss this in depth. Okay? But yeah, the occult is really important idea. Occultists love Dante. Yes? ### 8:08 seg-0015 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0015` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0015](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0015) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=488s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=488s) Yeah. So yesterday I thought more about the Dante putting people who hijack our imagination lower than people who murder someone. one and or commit genocide right i accidentally committed genocide and like yes um and so what i don't understand is that does murdering not like kill someone's entire capacity to imagine anything because you can't imagine if you're in hell or in paradise right like you can't because you don't have a body and you don't have like worldly experiences so like you can't imagine at all and like if you hijack the imagination okay but but like you can still like get your imagination back if it's hijacked right but you can't get it back if you're dead yeah so does like a follow -up question would be if dante believes in reincarnation maybe so that's like a solution ### 9:07 seg-0016 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0016` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0016](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0016) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=547s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=547s) okay yeah so donnie does say there's reincarnation um in paradise when beatrice is talking to him and saying look your souls are immortal right that that's explicit in divine comedy your souls are mortal so donnie does believe in the um uh in in the immortality of the soul um but to answer your question what's really important to understand is that for dante hell earth and heaven correspond with each other and what's really important is to maintain the dynamic creativity of the universe basically this is labfilm okay the universe we don't live on earth right because dante he says how japan depends on planet earth well it's the dark side right of the universe right well actually that's life forces our identity right so dante has this concept where he maintains maintain our capacity to imagine okay because that's a life force of the universe and um when you reduce people from the world that that ### 10:03 seg-0017 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0017` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0017](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0017) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=603s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=603s) doesn't actually reduce the massive life force from the world because it's possible that a few people um have the imagination right so dante is very imaginative and he's able to change society it feels the imagination so one person as long as one person maintains our capacity I really like to think about it his capacity for imagination the entire universe still revolves okay it still moves the problem with counterfeiting or hijacking the imagination is that you're reducing the universe's overall capacity to be imaginative does that make sense so so so this is a counterintuitive idea but what matters is not a sum total of life in the universe what matters is a sum total of imagination in the universe and when you counterfeit the imagination and disrupt the connection between humanity and the divine then that reduces the the overall imagination in the universe and therefore it reduces the total life force in the universe yes ### 11:09 seg-0018 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0018` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0018](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0018) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=669s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=669s) so ### 11:10 seg-0019 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0019` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0019](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0019) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=670s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=670s) if Dante would have been killed then there would have been another Dante at some point ### 11:17 seg-0020 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0020` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0020](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0020) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=677s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=677s) um exactly I I think I think that's what Dante would say but at the same time and he's explicit about this right he is on a divine mission right in hell he doesn't have to fear the demons he doesn't have to fear uh anything because God has willed it right so when he wrote the divine comedy it's like I don't fear dying halfway and not completing the divine comedy I don't fear my marriage being burned I don't fear being brought to script because God has willed it you understand you is this complete faith that allows him to access the vine and complete the divine company that's something that Manny Hall would say as well right okay uh yes what was it that ### 11:59 seg-0021 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0021` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0021](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0021) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=719s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=719s) allowed faranata to imagine that his son was dead in that if the Satan frozen in the bottom of the hell cannot imagine anything what mechanism was it that allowed faranata to because I remember that he says that he cannot notice things that are close to them but can sense things that are long past or long to come if in hell imagination is stripped away how could what mechanism did dante leverage to get farinata to believe that guido was dead right that's a really good point ### 12:28 seg-0022 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0022` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0022](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0022) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=748s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=748s) okay so um this is a really hard question and i'll try my best but i think there's a difference between the imagination and the emotion okay the emotion is your connection with other people you're longing for your son you're longing for your wife you're longing for for god okay and the emotion can never be extinguished because it's tied to the soul so um even though farinata doesn't have the capacity to imagine he does have the capacity to long for his son right and that's why when dante said to him your son is burning in hell it's so anguishing for uh farinata because no no it was not for now it's cover conte okay it's cover conte um and he uh lacks imagination to think that donnie could be could be lying okay here in hell it's not possible for the souls to imagine that others could be deceiving them um and so he falls into ### 13:33 seg-0023 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0023` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0023](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0023) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=813s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=813s) tremendous anguish it doesn't make sense it's just different between the imagination and the emotion love right love is unifying force of the universe the imagination is the animating force of the universe and um the imagination is unique to us and the imagination is only is only available to those with a body okay all right so good question and uh again like scholars have been debating these questions for hundreds of years literally okay you're gonna find like hundreds of different commentaries online about dante so all we're doing is we're speculating here okay um any more this is great ### 14:16 seg-0024 - Speaker: SPEAKER_12 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0024` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0024](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0024) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=856s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=856s) by the way uh yes so it's got me thinking because everybody in hell doesn't want to be in hell so there's a there's a difference between imagination and desire they all desire for it to stop or is there like is there something going on there well if you remember ### 14:33 seg-0025 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0025` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0025](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0025) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=873s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=873s) when they are crossing the akron river to come going to hell they desire it i mean donnie's explicitly remember the word desire right uh and donnie's surprised by this like why are people desiring to go to hell and the only reason why is they think they deserve it they think they think it's a release from whatever sin they they've done and something that we'll discuss later on where um if you if you think that the magnetic possession is possible right then you also have to think that inter -dimensional uh travel is possible you have to think that the soul can exists in different dimensions and when you do anything whether it's virtuous or whether it's sinful you your sin can uh trap trespass into other dimensions okay so like so like when you do something sinful your your soul is now locked in hell for in a certain place and and that that's what dante ### 15:32 seg-0026 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0026` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0026](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0026) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=932s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=932s) is suggesting here where if you think about it okay the person commits uh a sin of lust and now he's in the plane of lust are you saying that's the only sin he committed are you saying he did nothing else with his life but but what i think donnie is suggesting is like the sin uh it corrupts a certain way so that the soul is trapped in a certain plane of hell but to understand that you need to also believe in the infinite dimensions of the soul and the fact that the soul across it exists across infinite dimensions and where whatever you do uh the soul becomes more anchored in certain dimension if that makes any sense okay and again if you read many paul in the occultist he does go into this okay okay great yeah okay let's let's ### 16:39 seg-0027 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0027` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0027](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0027) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=999s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=999s) go to line 25 the denny where it flows in austria the dawn beneath its frozen sky have never made for their course to so thick a veil in winter as there was here for had mount to bernick or pietropanus mountain crashed upon it not even at the edge would it have creeped and as the croaking frog sits with its muzzle about the water in the season when the peasant woman often dreams of gleaning so live it in the ice up to the place where shame can show itself were those sad shades whose teeth were chattering with note like storks each kept his face bent downward steadily their mouth bore witness to the cold they felt just as their eyes proclaimed their sorry hearts when i had looked around a while my eyes turned toward my feet and saw two locked so close the hair upon their heads had intermingled do tell me you whose chests ### 17:35 seg-0028 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0028` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0028](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0028) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1055s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1055s) are pressed so tight i said who are you they bent back their necks and when they'd lifted up their faces toward me their eyes which wept upon the ground before shed tears down on their lips until the cold held fast the tears and locked their lids still more no clamp has ever fastened plank to plank so tightly and because of this they butted each other like two rams such was their fury and one from whom the cold had taken both his ears who kept his face bent low then said why do you keep on staring so at us if you would like to know who these two are that valley where vicenzio descends belong to them and to their father alberto they came out of one body and you can search all kaina you'll never find a shade more fit to sit within this ice not him who at one blow had chest and shadow ### 18:31 seg-0029 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0029` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0029](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0029) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1111s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1111s) shattered by arthur's hand and not focaccia and not the sinner here who so impedes my vision with his head i can't see past him his name was macaroni if you're tuscan now you know who he has been unless you keep me talking any longer know that i was commission de Pazziy i'm waiting for carlino to absolve me and after that i saw a thousand faces may dog like by the cold for which i shudder and always will when i face frozen forwards and while we were advancing toward the center to which all weight is drawn eyes shivering in that eternal cold shadow i know no man for whom is the warmest damned radiance divine by his fierce form his not if it was will or destiny or chance but as i walked among the heads i struck my foot hard in the face of one weeping he chided them why trample me if you've not ### 19:24 seg-0030 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0030` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0030](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0030) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1164s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1164s) come to act the revenge of monteparty why do you molest me and i my master now wait here for me that i may clear up just one doubt about him then you can make me hurry as you will my guide stood fast and i went on to ask of him who still was cursing bitterly who are you that rebukes another so and who are you who go through and to nora striking the cheeks of others he replied to roughly even if you were alive i am alive and can be precious to you if you want fame was my reply for i can set your name among my other notes and he to me i want the contrary so go away and do not harass me your flattery is you useless in this valley at that i grabbed him by the scruff and said you'll have to name yourself to me or else you won't have ### 20:20 seg-0031 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0031` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0031](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0031) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1220s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1220s) even one hair left up here and he to me though you should strip me bald i should shall not tell you who i am or show it not if you pound my head a thousand times his hairs were wound around my hand already and i had plucked from him more than one tuft while he was barking and his eyes stared down when someone else cried out what is it baka isn't the music of your jaws enough for you without your bark what devil's at you and now i said you traitor bent on evil i do not need your talk for i shall carry true news of you and that will bring you shame be off he answered tell them who you like but don't be silent if you make it back about the one whose tongue was now so quick here he laments the silver of the frenchman i saw you then can say i'm ### 21:13 seg-0032 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0032` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0032](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0032) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1273s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1273s) not going to tell you who you are but i'm going to tell you him of duera down there where all the sinners are kept cool and if you asked who else was there in ice one of the baccaria and besides you he had his skullet sliced right through by florence johnny does this so the nary i believe lies there with ganelon and tabeldello he who unlocked venza while it slept we had already taken leave of him when i saw two shades frozen in one hole so that one once had served as the other's cap and just as he who's hungry chews his bread one sinner dug his teeth into the other right at the place where brain is joined to nape no differently had tidiest not the temples of nalapas out of indignation than this one chewed the skull and other parts oh you who show with such bestial sign your hatred for the one ### 22:07 seg-0033 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0033` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0033](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0033) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1327s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1327s) on whom you feed tell me the cause i said we can agree that if you quarrel with him is justified then knowing who you are and what's this what's his sin i shall repay you yet on earth above if that with which ### 22:21 seg-0034 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0034` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0034](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0034) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1341s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1341s) i speak does not dry up okay all right so we are in the final circle of hell and it's a completely frozen lake where everyone is submerged in the lake and just freezing they can't move they can only feel pain and um there are also divisions within this lake and their name they're given and they are ranked according to the what they betrayed okay so at the outer layer there's the betrayal of family so basically two brothers who killed each other okay betrayal of family okay then as you go further down there is the betrayal of country okay so the example is baka and who is baka baka is someone who um fought for the florentines with dante but he was not loyal to the florentines and at a battle a crucial battle between the guelphs and the gilabines he betrayed the guelphs by cutting off the hand of the standard bearer okay the standard ### 23:40 seg-0035 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0035` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0035](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0035) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1420s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1420s) bearer if you know your uh medieval battles the standard bearer is essentially like captured a flag or the king in the game of chess right uh the standard bearer is what gives uh direction hope and focus to the army so this caused the guelphs to lose a major battle okay and that's why um baka is being punished and donnie recognizes him and demands that he speak up mark is like no i'd rather be forgotten okay so lower down is the picture of country then you have the betrayal of um friends and then you have the betrayal of guests okay so again the steering wheel divine comedy is it's full of paradoxes if you actually look at this you would think that it would be the opposite right like Beachy of guests would be the least punish and the most punished would be patrol family because family is tied together by blood so what's going on ### 24:45 seg-0036 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0036` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0036](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0036) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1485s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1485s) here why would dante construct his knife Circle of treachery in such a manner okay what's the criteria that he's using to judge the sin uh yes i think it's about how it reflects to the universe ### 25:02 seg-0037 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0037` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0037](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0037) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1502s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1502s) so if you betray a family it only concerns yours whereas a guest can really concern anyone on earth yes so it disrupts trust yes thank you yes i think in the middle east as well like in iran or like in ### 25:17 seg-0038 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0038` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0038](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0038) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1517s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1517s) israel i guess to treat a guest you have to put up the best hospitality it's because it's stranger ### 25:23 seg-0039 - Speaker: SPEAKER_11 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0039` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0039](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0039) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1523s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1523s) i think it's underlying the same principle uh kong well i think you have a great idea but i'm not sure if it was if that was the case i feel like friends would be a smaller circle than country and so those two circles would be the opposite and so maybe we could work that into the new theory ### 25:46 seg-0040 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0040` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0040](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0040) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1546s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1546s) you will right you choose yes because you don't choose your family you might not even choose the ### 25:50 seg-0041 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0041` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0041](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0041) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1550s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1550s) country you're born on but you choose your friends and you invite your guests exactly yes i think i think that's a great idea and i think that's a great reflection idea and it's about what is contrary to the nature of the universe and as humans with bodies we are guests so he's asking what would god really never do of course he would never betray these other groups but they are all subsumed within the group of guests under god so it's really the major violence against god ### 26:16 seg-0042 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0042` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0042](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0042) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1576s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1576s) is against guests okay great okay yeah so i think everyone's right okay so to summarize it's the idea that um we have responsibility to protect love and imagination and that's what we're doing in the universe okay without love there can be no imagination love is based on trust so the more trust you create in the universe the greater the capacity for love in the universe therefore the greater capacity for imagination um again the idea of free will where we all have a choice whether or not to enter in a contract right the idea of a social contract we choose to enter a social contract and what's really important is to honor those social contract the thing about family is you don't choose to enter in a social contract you're just stuck with a family okay you don't choose your country you're stuck with your country but you do choose your friends and you do choose ### 27:12 seg-0043 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0043` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0043](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0043) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1632s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1632s) who to invite into your household okay and and um also what's really important is the idea of guests like the iron law of most society is to treat guests with hospitality this is true for most of human history not just the middle east okay anywhere in the world okay you don't really appreciate this but at this time if a stranger comes from far away you have an urgent responsibility to treat him with the most utmost respect okay nowadays you're like oh immigrants let's kill immigrants no no no immigration for most of human history was really rare and what's much common was just the traveler right and so if you saw a traveler you had to treat that person with you had to treat that person with utmost respect and hospitality and the reason why is well if you kill that person then no one could ever travel right no one could ever never ever explore ### 28:05 seg-0044 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0044` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0044](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0044) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1685s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1685s) and um in in the greek mythology in the greek society what they believe that every guest could potentially be a god in disguise so to kill a guest would be to upset the gods themselves okay and so uh sorry did you have a question or comment ### 28:24 seg-0045 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0045` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0045](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0045) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1704s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1704s) um yeah so what's then even worse probably is that if you're a guest you um disrespect the host because that's what paris for example did when he was he was a guest in greece and then he stole helen or when the greece were basically guests in troy and then they destroyed troy yes exactly yes ### 28:47 seg-0046 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0046` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0046](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0046) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1727s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1727s) um that's a really special case this is something i never really thought about where the gas purposefully uh betrays the host uh but yeah but that's a great question for us to think about and this is something that uh if dante knew about he would definitely put uh paris in here as well yeah that's a really great comment um but does this make sense you guys okay unless you have trust society cannot function at all right i mean think about how um you like like for example the most basic the most basic thing is um you often have self -disputes right if there's a war going on you invite the opposing General for a dinner right and like if you just kill the General like there there could be no reconciliation there could be no no mediation right so this idea of like honoring guests it's an Iron Law throughout all human society okay it's ### 29:45 seg-0047 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0047` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0047](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0047) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1785s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1785s) true in China it's true everywhere right and the reason why is that if you didn't have this law so that society just could not function okay there could be no basis for any contract okay all right so that's what's going on here all right let's keep on going ### 30:10 seg-0048 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0048` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0048](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0048) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1810s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1810s) kanto 33 that sinner raised his mouth from his fierce meal then used the head that he had ripped apart and back he wiped his lips upon its hair then he began you want me to renew despairing pain that presses at my heart even as i think back before i speak but if my words are seed from which the food fruit is infamy for this betrayer whom i know you'll see me speak and weep at once i don't know who you are and what may you've come down here and yet you surely seem for what i hear to be florentine you're to know i was count ugolino and this one here archbishop rubieri and now i'll tell you why i'm his neighbor there's no need to tell you that because of his malicious tricks i first was taken then was killed since i had trusted him him however that which you cannot have heard that is ### 31:05 seg-0049 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0049` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0049](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0049) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1865s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1865s) the cruel death devised for me you now shall hear and know if he has wronged me a narrow window in the eagle's tower which now through me is called the hunger tower a cage in which still others will be locked had through its opening already showed me several moons when i dreamed that bad dream which rent the curtain of the future for me this man appeared to me as lord and master he hunted down the wolf and its young whelps a man appeared to me as lord and master he hunted down the wolf and its young whelps a man appeared to me as lord and master he hunted down the wolf and its young whelps a man appeared to me as lord and master he hunted down the wolf and its young whelps a поn the mountain that prevents the peace is from seeing luca and with lean and keen and practiced hounds he sent ### 31:40 seg-0050 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0050` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0050](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0050) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1900s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1900s) up front before him walandi and sismondi and la franDEY but after a brief course it seemed to me that both the father and the sons were weary i seemed to see their flanks torn by sharp fang when i woke at daybreak i could hear my sons who were together with me there weeping within their sleep asking for bread you'll be cruel indeed if thinking what my heart foresaw you you don't already grieve and if you don't weep now when would you weep they were awake by now the hour drew near at which our food was usually brought and each because of what he dreamed was anxious below i heard them nailing up the door of that appalling tower without a word i looked into the faces of my son i did not weep within i turned to stone they wept and my poor little anthem said father you look so what is wrong with you ### 32:33 seg-0051 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0051` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0051](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0051) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1953s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=1953s) at that i shed no tears and all day long and through the night that followed did not answer until another sun had touched the world as soon as a thin ray had made its way into that sorry prison and i saw reflected in four faces my own gave out of my grief i bit at both my hands and they who thought i'd done that out of hunger immediately rose and told me father it would be a miracle if you would let me die for you father be far less painful for us if you ate of us for you clothed us in this sad flesh it is for you to strip it off then i grew calm to keep them from more sadness through that day in the next we all were silent o hard earth why did you not open up but after we had reached the fourth day gado throwing himself outstretched down at ### 33:22 seg-0052 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0052` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0052](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0052) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2002s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2002s) my feet implored me father why do you not help me and there he died and just as you see me i saw the other three fall one by one between the fifth and the sixth at which now blind now blind i started groping over each and after they were dead i called ### 33:42 seg-0053 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0053` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0053](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0053) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2022s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2022s) them for two days then fasting had more force than grief okay all right so the story is um at this time in history count you you lino is one of the most famous italians he's a great military strategist uh of pisa and um eventually because he is so ambitious he's a very machiavellian figure um he will change alliances always and then he falls in the lines of the archbishop who then betrays him in order to obtain more power for himself what the archbishop does is that he locks him and his and his children his sons into a cell and throws away the key they don't know this but no one's coming to them and giving them food so they're just starving to death and the um urban legend is that uh count you gonna know cannibalize his children in order to keep himself alive um first of all we discussed the idea of symmetry in ### 34:44 seg-0054 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0054` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0054](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0054) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2084s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2084s) the divine comedy okay do you guys know uh and this this is like the second last contour the penultimate contour right what is the penultimate contour in paradise that is the first this do you guys remember and and that's and that's what's uh brilliant about dante he's always doing symmetry in order to excite your imagination so here this is the father cannibalizing his children you guys remember in the panama canto paradise what the issue was there what they were talking about uh in uh the panama candle of paradise basically paradise 32. what did we spend a lot of time discussing babies in heaven yes do you see the symmetry here right and we we back then bernard was telling dante why is it that in the seat of in the in the red rose right beside god you have the greatest uh matriarchs in history eve mary and rachel and ruve but you also had ### 35:55 seg-0055 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0055` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0055](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0055) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2155s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2155s) babies and don is like wait a minute i thought virgil told me babies were all in limbo and but you had these babies and don we'd and and more than that you could change it into a baby and you can write a letter and parents but basically we we decide that it was because of the unconditional love of parents right if a baby died if a parent committed himself to unconditional love praying to god committed to good works that effort would allow the child to ascend to the imperium and here with the complete opposite right it's an opposite it's it's it's the inverse where the father is democratizing his sons in order to um survive okay okay so that's the beauty of the divine comedy you will find the symmetry everywhere okay all right so um what is going on here why is uh count ugandlino biting on the archbishop and why are they forcing ### 36:56 seg-0056 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0056` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0056](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0056) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2216s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2216s) in place and why is this happening for all ### 36:58 seg-0057 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0057` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0057](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0057) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2218s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2218s) eternity yes i guess in the simple sense he's just trying to exact an appropriate revenge and that this desire which is still present in hell will just continue forever why are they in a frozen lake because they have no imagination to move them towards anything other than what they ### 37:21 seg-0058 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0058` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0058](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0058) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2241s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2241s) desire uh yes could it be that they've thrown away their free will because there's i'll find the line but he's basically asking you know father why don't you help me implying that he's looking for that external help rather than earlier on we spoke about how you can through your own free will help yourself ### 37:41 seg-0059 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0059` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0059](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0059) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2261s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2261s) yes any other comments or thoughts yes and also like betrayal kind of freezes your relationship ### 37:50 seg-0060 - Speaker: SPEAKER_06 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0060` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0060](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0060) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2270s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2270s) with the others and then like the others will also like no longer trust anyone because of the source of like betrayal so like you are also freeze in the lake yourself after you betray the ### 38:02 seg-0061 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0061` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0061](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0061) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2282s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2282s) others yes exactly any any more okay yeah exactly right they're in a frozen lake these are frozen literally in time and they're in a frozen lake and they're in a frozen lake and they're in a frozen lake and they're in a frozen lake all the remember is the betrayal and their first for revenge the hatred okay and the punishment is apt because just as um the archbishop shall force the count to betray his sons and cannibalize his sons now the count is cannibalizing uh the archbishop but it's all futile because they're all in hell uh but he doesn't care because he's stuck in that moment okay he's not considering considering the absurdity of the situation he's just stuck in that moment and that's the idea of frozen lake okay that's why hell at the very bottom everyone everyone is a frozen lake because the treachery has frozen them in that moment of treachery and they ### 38:56 seg-0062 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0062` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0062](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0062) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2336s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2336s) can never escape out of it and they they lack the capacity to have free will to have the love the imagination to think beyond this moment of betrayal all they focus on is how to get back at this person for the betrayal okay and that's why uh betrayal is the worst punishment because the universe moves and betrayal treachery freezes the universe in place okay it reduces the capacity for imagination okay does it make sense great all right let's keep on uh going this is the very last oh yeah sorry sorry ### 39:36 seg-0063 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0063` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0063](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0063) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2376s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2376s) keep on going we're not finished yet um line 76 when he had spoken this with eyes of rye again he gripped the sad story skull in his teeth which like a dogs were strung down to the bone ah pisa you the scandal of the peoples of that fair land where sea is heard because your neighbors are so slow to punish you may then kaprar and gorgona move and build a hedge across the arnold's mouth so that you may drown every soul in you for if count ugolino was reputed to have betrayed your fortresses there was no need to have his sons endure such torment oh thieves renewed their years were innocent and young brigada to ubuchoni and the other two my song has named above we passed beyond where frozen water wraps a rugged covering still other sinners who were not who were not bent but flat upon their bags ### 40:27 seg-0064 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0064` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0064](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0064) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2427s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2427s) so tante is moved by the story and he's upset about what what about the story really upsets him and makes him very confused yes that count ugolino was forced to sit and why ### 40:43 seg-0065 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0065` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0065](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0065) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2443s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2443s) why well why would someone be punished in exactly the same way if they didn't instigate the betrayal ### 40:52 seg-0066 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0066` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0066](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0066) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2452s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2452s) okay so um he thinks that count you i don't just got what he deserved because he did betray pisa and the people the peasants were angry at this okay but there's a problem here yes i think maybe ### 41:06 seg-0067 - Speaker: SPEAKER_11 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0067` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0067](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0067) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2466s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2466s) the problem is that uh count ugolino's sons were actually tortured in the same way yeah why are ### 41:13 seg-0068 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0068` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0068](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0068) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2473s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2473s) the sons in prison the sons did nothing wrong first of all why why are the sins sons in prison i believe it's to torture count ugolino but i don't ### 41:22 seg-0069 - Speaker: SPEAKER_11 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0069` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0069](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0069) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2482s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2482s) understand why they were subject to the same torture as ugolino did ### 41:26 seg-0070 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0070` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0070](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0070) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2486s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2486s) but this is just a historical question right why are children being punished ### 41:30 seg-0071 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0071` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0071](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0071) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2490s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2490s) along with the fathers yes presumably they would grow up and try and exact ### 41:35 seg-0072 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0072` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0072](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0072) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2495s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2495s) vengeance exactly right this is true for most cultures at this time you if you kill the father you have to kill the sons as well because now the sons are morally obligated to avenge the enemy sons as well because now the sons are morally obligated to avenge the enemy the father okay and so don is like saying this is unjust okay and what he's saying is like we have to remember we have to have faith that there are higher laws of justice that govern us and to punish the sons with a father yes i understand the logic i understand that it's necessary because you want to avoid wars right because at this time in history family feuds are a real thing okay but he says i understand all this but it's still unjust okay and again at this time in history it's pretty revolutionary you guys know the story of romeo and juliet right well ### 42:27 seg-0073 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0073` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0073](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0073) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2547s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2547s) it's this time okay the montagues and the capulets it is this time these italians city states in verona right these feuds these family feuds that go on for generations okay it is this time in history okay uh let's keep on going ### 42:42 seg-0074 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0074` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0074](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0074) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2562s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2562s) line 94 they're very weeping there won't let them weep and grief that finds a berry in their eyes turns inward to increase their agony because their first tears freeze into a cluster and like a crystal visor fill up all the hull that is underneath the eyebrow and though because of cold my every sense had left its dwelling in my face just as a callous has no feeling nonetheless i seem to feel some wind now and i said my master who has set this gust in motion for isn't every vapor quenching and i said my master who has set this gust in motion for isn't every vapor quenching down here and he to me you soon shall be where your own eye will answer that when you shall see the reason why this wind blasts from above and one of those sad sinners in the cold cross cried to us all souls who are so cruel ### 43:28 seg-0075 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0075` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0075](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0075) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2608s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2608s) that this last place has been assigned to you take off the hard veils from my face so that i can release the suffering that fills my heart before lament freezes again to which i answered if you'd have me help you then tell me who you are if i don't free you master i'll be your master and you'll be my master and you'll be my master and you'll be my master i go to the bottom of the ice he answered then i'm fra alberigo the one who tended fruits in a bad garden and here my figs have been repaid with dates but then i said are you already dead and he to me i have no knowledge of my body's fate within the world above for patola patola mia has this privilege quite frequently the soul falls here before it has been thrust away by atropos and that you may with much more willingness to break ### 44:14 seg-0076 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0076` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0076](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0076) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2654s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2654s) these glazed tears from off my face know this as soon as any soul becomes a traitor as what i was then a demon takes its body away and keeps that body in its power until its ears have run their course completely the soul falls headlong down into the cistern and up above perhaps there still appears the body of the shade that winters here behind me you must know him if you've just come down he is sara broncodoria for many years he has been thus pent up i said to him i think that you deceive me for broncodoria is not yet dead he eats and drinks and sleeps and puts on clothes there in the malibranca stitch above where sticky pitch boils up mikhaili zanke had not had still not come he said to me when this one together with a kinsman who had done the treachery together with him left a devil in his stead ### 45:10 seg-0077 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0077` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0077](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0077) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2710s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2710s) instead his body but now reach out your hand to me and i'll be there for you and open my eyes and yet i did not open them for him and it was courtesy to show him rudeness ah genoese a people strange to every constraint of custom full of all corruption why have you not been driven from the world for with the foulest spirit of romania i found one of you such that for his acts in soul he bathes already in koshitas and up above appears alive in body okay ### 45:41 seg-0078 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0078` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0078](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0078) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2741s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2741s) so we have met the worst offender okay these are people who betrayed their guests they invite their guests to dinner and now they're protected by the laws of hospitality right but they don't care they betray their guests and the moment they do that what happens is their sin is so bad they are they are automatically their souls are taken down to the ninth circle they are trapped in the frozen lake and the demon takes possession of their body okay and they're not going to be able to get out of there and they're not going to be able to get out of there and they're not going to be able to get out of there and uh the example here is branca doria um and donnie actually knows this person and donnie knows this person is alive and he's saying that now a demon took over his body okay so here's a question for you do ### 46:32 seg-0079 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0079` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0079](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0079) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2792s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2792s) you think demonic possession or energetic possession isn't real any thoughts any comments and again there are no right answers but i'm curious as to what you think yes well if you ### 46:44 seg-0080 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0080` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0080](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0080) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2804s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2804s) grow up in southeast asia in malaysia singapore there's voodoo magic as we all know um so then oh in africa like if you grow up in these regions of the world it's impossible for you to conceive that a ghost or demon cannot take ### 46:58 seg-0081 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0081` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0081](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0081) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2818s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2818s) possession of a human being because you see it all the time wow not all the time like okay but but you can elaborate on this because why is it that like in these societies you see ### 47:10 seg-0082 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0082` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0082](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0082) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2830s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2830s) ghosts and demons but we don't uh i recently moved back ### 47:19 seg-0083 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0083` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0083](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0083) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2839s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2839s) but okay so um because i think it's because of the religion of the local people this kind of magical practices is a lot especially in malaysia right like there's a thing like if you dig out that man's body and you take some liquid from his jar and you can make it into love potion the most common one everybody knows in malaysia it's a thing okay like yeah and so like yeah so then then you can make the man fall in love with you or women and then that's common practice and you can do a lot of these how does thematic possession work um so in udu is that you do this spell and then you have this doll and you step in right and then like in in malaysia or you know there are a lot like you you ask this guy to come to your house you pay him and then to cause that ### 48:09 seg-0084 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0084` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0084](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0084) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2889s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2889s) guy and then that yeah there's a whole hospital ### 48:13 seg-0085 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0085` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0085](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0085) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2893s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2893s) so so what you're saying is do you do you know about this i don't know about this but but go ahead ### 48:23 seg-0086 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0086` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0086](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0086) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2903s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2903s) From Catholic worldview, Lydia in the Bible, or whoever, I forgot the lady's name, but like there are people who are possessed by demons and Jesus had to cast it down, but they go to the pigs and the pigs drown themselves. So in Bible it's very common, in Malaysia it's very common, and in Africa. ### 48:43 seg-0087 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0087` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0087](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0087) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2923s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2923s) Actually, speaking of, my husband and I have recently watched a Tucker Carlson podcast with a priest who is an exorcist. And actually, you know, it's an, you know, in many cultures, it's actually an ongoing thing. And even in China, I've heard that, for example, in the Northeast, there are animal spirits. And also growing up in Hong Kong, under certain bridges, there are people doing voodoo stuff. You can pay someone. You can pay someone to, let's say, stab a pin into a doll or hit someone, hit someone's effigy. ### 49:31 seg-0088 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0088` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0088](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0088) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2971s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2971s) Okay. So voodoo is across cultures, basically. ### 49:36 seg-0089 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0089` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0089](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0089) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2976s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2976s) Yeah. If you look at University of Hong Kong, there's a huge tomb, okay, in the library. Have you been to University of Hong Kong? ### 49:42 seg-0090 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0090` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0090](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0090) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2982s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2982s) I have. I don't know about this. ### 49:44 seg-0091 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0091` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0091](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0091) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2984s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=2984s) Yeah. If you think out of all, like Hong Kong is such a epitome, you know, of all these practices, feng shui and all that. But if you go to University of Hong Kong, there's a Li Jiacheng built for his wife, and the library looks like a tomb, literally, to calm her spirit. So there's a lot of this kind of practice where people believe that. ### 50:02 seg-0092 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0092` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0092](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0092) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3002s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3002s) So you guys believe in this stuff. I'm saying, like, if you don't believe in this stuff, what are your objections to it? Who is like, this can't possibly exist? ### 50:10 seg-0093 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0093` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0093](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0093) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3010s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3010s) Yes? I think that when someone commits a sin that seems to have a character that is beyond their normal character, that there's a life force inside of the sin, it's easy and tempting to assume that. There is a vortex of energy that creates consciousness that is separate from their own that has come into them. But it just strikes me that this is cope. This is people who really don't want to accept that maybe someone they know, their friend or their family could do a sin that was so out of character. ### 50:41 seg-0094 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0094` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0094](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0094) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3041s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3041s) Okay. All right. That's very interesting. Okay. Let me ask you this question. Okay. Did we have a... Let me ask you this question. Does anyone want to comment on... Does anyone want to comment on how he or she has changed after reading Divine Comedy? Like, we've spent the past week reading Divine Comedy. We still have a few more days left. But does anyone want to reflect on how he or she has changed after encountering Divine Comedy for the first time? After reading it, after thinking about it? Do you think you've changed as a person? Do you think? Yes? ### 51:20 seg-0095 - Speaker: SPEAKER_10 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0095` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0095](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0095) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3080s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3080s) I don't believe that it can change people. Because before that... Maybe people thought, oh, I just cheat. I do whatever I can. Nobody will, you know, get to know more about me. And I just hide myself. So, but after, you know, Divine Comedy, maybe some people are saying can have confession. Maybe some people think they're guilty, right? Because... ### 51:38 seg-0096 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0096` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0096](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0096) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3098s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3098s) Okay. Yeah. I'm not asking this as a thought experiment. I'm just asking, like, have you personally felt different after reading Divine Comedy? Yes? ### 51:49 seg-0097 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0097` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0097](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0097) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3109s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3109s) Yes. Yes. ### 51:50 seg-0098 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0098` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0098](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0098) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3110s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3110s) Can you explain this? ### 51:52 seg-0099 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0099` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0099](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0099) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3112s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3112s) It's hard to put into words. But for me, especially after Paradiscio, as well as as we go through line by line, the Divine Comedy, for me, I feel like it's alluding to a larger truth. And it's making me more open to the fact that there are things beyond this universe that I don't really understand. Because I'm a scientist, engineer by training. And then later on, I went into business. So, it's quite, you know, framework changing for me. ### 52:31 seg-0100 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0100` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0100](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0100) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3151s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3151s) I don't know how to put it. Have you felt any physical changes to your body? ### 52:36 seg-0101 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0101` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0101](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0101) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3156s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3156s) Like the first night, kind of like the first night, I think I mentioned this to some of our classmates. Like, I found it hard to sleep. So, the first few nights, even Paradiscio, right? Supposedly this good thing. But I found it hard to rest. Rest as per my usual routine, mainly because I find all these imageries and all these things kind of kicking off thoughts in myself, right? Wondering about the nature of good and, you know. ### 53:08 seg-0102 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0102` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0102](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0102) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3188s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3188s) So, these visions were appearing before you, and you're trying to wrestle with these visions. ### 53:13 seg-0103 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0103` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0103](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0103) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3193s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3193s) Okay, that's interesting. Similar to in hell, right? Like, just, you know, you mentioned something about trying to square a circle, right? Like the fact that there is Muhammad in there. And there is things about sodomy and homosexuality. And like, I find myself trying to answer questions that weren't there before. And like, coming up with, oh, should I go talk to different people I know? And so, I don't know. I don't, I do think there is. I just don't know how to, you know. ### 53:46 seg-0104 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0104` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0104](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0104) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3226s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3226s) Okay, yes. I feel like there's way more awareness and consciousness about the people we meet, the people we meet. The people we love, and the people who loved us. And I feel like, first of all, it's very tiring. So, every time, like, even though we have four hours of class, I feel like super tired at the end, often take a nap. And also, I felt in dreams, I thought of people that I forgot. And so, you rethink about certain moments of your life and how it's linked to love, especially. ### 54:21 seg-0105 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0105` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0105](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0105) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3261s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3261s) Wow, that's beautiful. Thank you so much. So, you're expanding your consciousness. Your connection to the cosmos. Right. Okay. Anyone else have? ### 54:32 seg-0106 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0106` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0106](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0106) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3272s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3272s) This will sound extremely strange, but a lot of my lymph nodes started draining when I really studied the Divine Comedy. I think because my nervous system was really relaxing. And genuinely, a lot of, like, waste product from my body was being expelled. ### 54:46 seg-0107 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0107` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0107](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0107) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3286s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3286s) Wow. Okay, so you felt some physical changes. Okay. Anyone else? Yes? ### 54:53 seg-0108 - Speaker: SPEAKER_06 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0108` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0108](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0108) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3293s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3293s) Yeah, kind of. I kind of felt the same, because I dreamed, like, a lot more frequently for these few days. And also, like, I kind of agree with what both of them said. I feel like I kind of reexamined my connection and relationship with the others. And then I kind of see, like, how it is so important to me that I have to cherish them. And also, like, at the same time, I was kind of, like, an atheist before reading the Divine Comedy. Now, I cannot say that I entirely believe that God exists. But I feel like I'm kind of... I'm kind of, like, reexamining what I used to believe. ### 55:27 seg-0109 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0109` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0109](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0109) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3327s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3327s) Okay. Great. Thank you so much. Any other? ### 55:32 seg-0110 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0110` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0110](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0110) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3332s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3332s) Yes? Similar to the other classmates. I think dreams have been a bit different in the last few weeks. Like, I remember on the first day we read the Divine Comedy, I had, like, quite a vivid nightmare. And I don't really have nightmares very often. The only way I can try and understand it, I think, is usually in day -to -day life. We don't really think about morality very much and its effect on us or others. So we're kind of numbed. But obviously, in the last week or so, yeah, it's every day. Yeah, thinking about things we don't usually think about and maybe raising the consciousness. ### 56:14 seg-0111 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0111` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0111](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0111) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3374s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3374s) Okay, let me ask you this. Has anyone tried psychedelics in this class? Yes? Can you talk about your psychedelic experience? Well, first of all, what did you try? Psychedelic mushrooms. ### 56:29 seg-0112 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0112` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0112](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0112) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3389s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3389s) A couple of times last year. So it wasn't, like, extreme, but still, like, enough to feel, like, some extra forces. So it's really about the same thing, like, social awareness. So you feel, like, positive and negative energy when you, like, you feel happy and loved close to your friends. And you feel really insecure in some environment that's, like, negative. ### 56:51 seg-0113 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0113` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0113](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0113) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3411s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3411s) So I want to confirm this, okay? Your psychedelic experience is very similar to you reading the Divine Comedy. ### 57:00 seg-0114 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0114` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0114](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0114) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3420s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3420s) It could be, but, like, it's really hard to compare. And I think, like, you can't reach this level of awareness just by reading or meditation. Like, it's really, like, physical, visual, and about love, like, it's really strong. And you can't, like, there's a hundred percent chance you feel something with this experience. Whereas by reading, it's maybe, like, a couple percent, but a bit, a bit. But it's hard to compare it. ### 57:26 seg-0115 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0115` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0115](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0115) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3446s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3446s) I actually would differ on that because... I've also done transcendental meditation when I was a child. And I had a similar experience with Jay, which is one night I had a vision. I haven't had a vision for a long time since I was younger. So, and I've done other mind -opening things. So I would say they're different in every way. It's just that there's something... Precious or different about the reading and going through this journey. ### 58:05 seg-0116 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0116` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0116](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0116) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3485s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3485s) Yeah. So my argument would be, well, that's because you have not fully read Divine Comedy, right? We're just stretching the surface. If you really commit to it, maybe it'd be similar. But did you want to share your experience? Yeah, I have to agree with, against you. ### 58:22 seg-0117 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0117` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0117](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0117) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3502s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3502s) The end point of a lot of, like, mushroom trips, maybe less for LSD, is basically the message of this. Yes. Where, like, imagine if this is crystal clear, your own revelations at the end of a trip are like slight flaws in a crystal. So it's your personality rewriting the truth that is contained here. And so it's very strange that when you really try to unlock your brain, this is the kind of message that you end up with. ### 58:48 seg-0118 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0118` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0118](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0118) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3528s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3528s) Yeah, this is, like, really strange. Yeah. Let me ask you, guys, let me ask you another question. Has anyone had an intense religious experience? Okay. Yes. Can you explain to us your intense religious experience? Just in your life. Like, if you go to church. ### 59:04 seg-0119 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0119` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0119](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0119) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3544s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3544s) Yeah, yeah. There was definitely one. That's what made me actually converted to Christianity. So I always, so after I went to Malaysia when I was 12, I lived in a pastor's family. And just, like, two years after that, I wasn't convinced about Christianity. I was, oh, that's cool. Bible stories are awesome. And then there was one month where I had nightmares every night where I had this visit from hell, basically. And I'm afraid to go to bed every night. Because I know what's waiting for me in my dreams. And there was nothing traumatic happening in my life. There was no exam stress. There was no, you know. And then I was just terrified. And then my pastor, dad, and mom were like, well, read the Bible verse out loud in your room and recite it. And that was the only night I didn't have a nightmare. And the girl next to me, poor thing, she had a nightmare that was really gruesome. ### 59:55 seg-0120 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0120` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0120](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0120) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3595s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3595s) She said, did you leave your room and come to my room now? I'm like, I'm so sorry. Maybe I shouldn't have read the Bible out loud. My bad. And then so that kind of really convinced me of, like, hell existed. And so I had to scream the name of Jesus to get out of that nightmare. And then from that whole month of torture is over. Like, if anybody swear to me, oh, there's no God in the world. I'm like, fuck you. Like, come to my life. Be in that month. And then, like, explain to me why is there all these crazy things that just make me, yeah, not being able to not believe there's no spiritual world. ### 1:00:30 seg-0121 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0121` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0121](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0121) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3630s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3630s) Let me confirm what you're saying. You're in Malaysia, and there's a lot of voodoo magic in Malaysia. So it's possible there are lots of these spirits roaming around. ### 1:00:38 seg-0122 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0122` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0122](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0122) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3638s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3638s) Yeah. ### 1:00:39 seg-0123 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0123` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0123](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0123) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3639s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3639s) And these spirits were literally, like, knocking on your door. But once you found some incantations, like, you know, some Bible verses, it changed your energy field as so to create a force field around you. ### 1:00:53 seg-0124 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0124` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0124](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0124) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3653s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3653s) Of protection. To protect you. That's really interesting. Yeah, and I went to the next girl's room, and she was like, Anna, I never had a nightmare ever in my life. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, you didn't have the nightmare I do now. I'm so sorry, baby. You know, the ghost left me and went to your room. Sorry. ### 1:01:09 seg-0125 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0125` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0125](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0125) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3669s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3669s) Okay. So then the question is, why does this happen? Why is it, like, when you read the divine comedy, you have these dreams? And why is it, like, even your body physically changes? Why? ### 1:01:23 seg-0126 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0126` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0126](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0126) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3683s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3683s) Yes? I could see this as a priming. So in psychology, there's something called priming where you put something into your mind. And so to have these words by reading about love, will, and hope, it, like, just, so you have these words, and so in every interaction you have, you think of this, and so it really changed what you're talking, because, like, if you just read about love, and then you're talking to your mother, then obviously you're going to think about this, and so this is how it changes, like, the aspect about priming, putting words into your head, and then always associating with this. ### 1:02:00 seg-0127 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0127` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0127](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0127) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3720s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3720s) Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, okay? This is what a psychologist would tell you. It's all priming, right? Because they've done experience where if you, in the morning, what you do is you get some sunlight, and you put on some really nice music, you'll feel better about yourself, and you'll have a nicer day. Whereas if you don't go outside, and you put on some really sad music, you're going to have a really bad day, okay? So a lot of it is priming, a lot of it's self -perception, okay? Yes? ### 1:02:31 seg-0128 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0128` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0128](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0128) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3751s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3751s) I loved having that conversation with her. We actually had a previous conversation in the elevator, which probably primed our later comment about music, but actually when I had the recent vision, it reminded me of previous visions where it felt like a resonance with the universe, where I could see things in just a different dimension and different colors. Yeah. So resonance with the rest of the universe, that doesn't happen all the time for a lot of reasons, but it's resonance, harmony, that concordance that kind of comes when there's a really powerful work of art or mind -opening that's happening. ### 1:03:19 seg-0129 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0129` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0129](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0129) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3799s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3799s) Okay, yes, okay, I understand that, but I'm trying to figure out the psychedelic experience then. Explain to me how psychedelics work then. You explained how divine comedy works, it's priming, yes, but psychedelics? ### 1:03:31 seg-0130 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0130` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0130](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0130) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3811s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3811s) So first of all, like, psychedelics, what's different is that there's, like, 100 % chance that it will change you, like, you will feel different. So it's often seen as a trip where, like, you basically lose your consciousness and everything you know or knew, and it basically makes you wear more close to nature, where you forget the conception of, like, technology, money, possession. And so during a couple of hours... Between, like, four to eight hours, you just feel basically like an animal, where you rethink everything, you basically, like, also you can't use your phone, right, because, like, it's so not human that it changes you. ### 1:04:14 seg-0131 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0131` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0131](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0131) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3854s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3854s) But no, no, I'm trying to figure out the neurological mechanism that allows for... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but just one last question, okay? What's a neurological mechanism? You've explained priming, how do you explain psychedelics? ### 1:04:28 seg-0132 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0132` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0132](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0132) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3868s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3868s) I think it's, like, some molecule, like, psychocybin. Or, like, something like that. ### 1:04:32 seg-0133 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0133` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0133](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0133) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3872s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3872s) Okay, yes? I think you're referring to psilocin, which is the thing that breaks down from the mushrooms, but I think it all comes down to a molecule, I think, called tryptamine, which... So basically in your brain, there's a molecule that constrains your perception. So imagine your eyes are seeing fractals all the time, and that your brain is basically organizing the sense data from those fractals into reality. And then if you boost a certain chemical a lot, you start to see the fractals. You start to see the fractals that your brain is using to perceive reality, and this happens internally as well for your mind and being. ### 1:05:08 seg-0134 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0134` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0134](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0134) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3908s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3908s) So if I extrapolate on what you're saying, you're saying that reality itself is much more complex, much more vibrant, much more colorful than we could ever imagine. Way, way more complex. And then what these psychedelics do is they basically cancel out your filter so you see more of reality, right? But all that's saying is, like, maybe demons and angels actually do exist, right? I mean, is that the possibility? ### 1:05:34 seg-0135 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0135` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0135](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0135) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3934s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3934s) I don't want to say 100%, but you get that sense. ### 1:05:37 seg-0136 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0136` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0136](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0136) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3937s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3937s) And so possession is also possible, right? Because the idea is they exist, they're floating around us, and depending on your mood, depending on your state of mind, they can come into you, they can leave you, right? Is that a possibility? Okay, so let me ask you this really weird question. Do any of you... While we're in the divine comedy, do you feel intuitively as though Dante has entered you? Do you think at some level Dante has taken possession of you? Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. You first, and then... ### 1:06:26 seg-0137 - Speaker: SPEAKER_10 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0137` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0137](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0137) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3986s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=3986s) Yeah, yeah, definitely. Because I think... I don't know why you come here to this classroom, but I do because I think I've just been exiled, you know? I just, you know, I don't know. I think I'm out of the social system. Right now, it's because maybe I do my part -time job, and I don't just always like other people to go to work all day long. So maybe that makes me feel like Dante, you know? I'm just being driven away from the mainstream. ### 1:06:52 seg-0138 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0138` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0138](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0138) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4012s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4012s) I'm thinking like physically, Dante has taken possession. Yes? ### 1:06:56 seg-0139 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0139` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0139](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0139) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4016s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4016s) I think so. But I'm lucky because I studied the Aeneid when I was 18 in Latin, just luckily. Yes. And I, for some reason, have my own Beatrice in my real life. Like a girl who I'm super in love with, who is now dating somebody who knows lots about wine. Yes. So, in a strange sense, this is, I do feel him inside me, in that sense. ### 1:07:20 seg-0140 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0140` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0140](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0140) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4040s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4040s) Okay. And how do you feel it? How do you know he's inside you? ### 1:07:27 seg-0141 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0141` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0141](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0141) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4047s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4047s) Because there seems to be an energy directing me to be kinder to strangers and to spread more love that feels very physical because of how much power and energy it has, but that I've never been able to conjure in myself just from a desire to be good. ### 1:07:43 seg-0142 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0142` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0142](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0142) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4063s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4063s) But how do you know it's Dante, not an angel or another spiritual being? Like, like, like what differentiates this from? ### 1:07:50 seg-0143 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0143` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0143](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0143) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4070s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4070s) Well, I don't want to presume. I think it's dangerous to think that an angel can come into you. ### 1:07:56 seg-0144 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0144` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0144](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0144) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4076s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4076s) But you're presuming Dante, who's dead, can come into you, right? ### 1:08:00 seg-0145 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0145` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0145](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0145) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4080s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4080s) Well, through his work. Yes. Okay. I just don't want to think that an angel has come into me because it's a very slippery slope about what you might think. Okay. ### 1:08:10 seg-0146 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0146` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0146](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0146) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4090s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4090s) Yeah. So, so that's what great art is. Great art becomes part of a universal consciousness. And by reading it, if you read it well, I'm not saying if you read it like, you know, the way we're reading it, but I'm saying like, if you read it over years and years, and you continue to have these visions and you continue to have these spiritual experiences and you continue to practice divine comedy in your life, then eventually, Dante is going to take possession of all of you. And he's going to reveal things to you that were once unimaginable to you before. And it's very similar to a religious experience. It's a very similar to a psychedelic experience. Yes. ### 1:08:50 seg-0147 - Speaker: SPEAKER_06 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0147` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0147](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0147) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4130s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4130s) Actually, professor, I would really appreciate it if you could share the changes that you experienced yourself as well, because like, if we went through like the divine comedy within the week, and we all experienced some changes to a certain extent, and then you spend four years on it, I think you definitely experienced a lot more than we did. Okay. ### 1:09:09 seg-0148 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0148` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0148](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0148) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4149s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4149s) So I'll tell you some of my changes, okay? First of all, what's really obvious to me is, I feel a lot lighter, like physically a lot lighter as though I am almost like floating in the air. Okay? Because, you know, we're in China, like every day, it's a pain in the ass, right? Because, you know, like, we're walking the streets. There are scooters flying around, okay? When you go to the restaurant, often the food is going to be, you know, it's gonna give you food poisoning, okay? And then you might get in an argument with someone on, you know, it's a very common thing in China. So when that happens, what I feel is really heavy, you know, like, just my blood boiling, and just... And just like, you know, like, pure hatred, and just pure anger, right? Just like, just really, I'm just really annoyed, okay, because like, I love walking. And Beijing is not a walking city, and it annoys me, I feel trapped. ### 1:10:22 seg-0149 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0149` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0149](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0149) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4222s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4222s) I feel like I can't go outside, because if I go outside, a scooter might bump into me, and I'll get angry and all that, okay, so... But when I read the Divine Comedy, all that dissipates, right? And that anger... Those memories, for whatever reason, they just float away, and then I feel I'm floating upwards, okay? That's one really obvious thing that I notice, okay? But again, it's something that... And I think it's because I've been reading Divine Comedy for a long time, and I understand it pretty well, okay? But so I'm saying, like, if you do read the Divine Comedy over time, I'm pretty sure you'll feel the same thing, where you feel yourself lighter. It's almost like you're lifting yourself up to the heavens. It's almost like you can actually access the heavens yourself, okay? That's one. Second thing is that I feel much more creative. ### 1:11:14 seg-0150 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0150` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0150](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0150) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4274s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4274s) I feel much more imaginative, right? So when you... In this class, when I teach, you can see I teach with imagination, right? I'm gonna propose ideas to you. I'm gonna propose situations to you that are really imaginative. And I think it's because as I am teaching, as I'm reading Divine Comedy, I have a cosmic connection with Dante. Okay? And Dante and the universe, it's feeding me visions. It's feeding me ideas. The difference between you guys and me is you've just started, so these visions are involuntary, meaning, like, these come to you and you don't actually know what to make of them. But if you practice this for a long time, like I have, you're able to control these visions. You basically say, I need this vision in order to teach this canto well, and the vision comes to you automatically, okay? I know it sounds weird, but I have no idea what I'm teaching, what I will teach, okay? ### 1:12:15 seg-0151 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0151` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0151](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0151) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4335s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4335s) And then on the cab right here, I know, okay? I know what I wanna focus on. I know what I wanna teach. It's all very inspirational, okay? That's the second thing. The third thing is that when you actually read Dante a lot, you feel a profound sense of purpose. Purpose and mission, which is, like, my responsibility is to share Dante with the world, to change the world for the better. You feel as though if I really, I have a special gift for understanding Dante, and I have a mission to spread this. And how do I know? Because I think Dante is smiling at me from the heavens. He's smiling at me, and he's like, you're spreading my vision. You're spreading my message of love, and thank you so much. So you feel a deep sense of mission, but you also feel a deep sense of gratitude, purpose, responsibility. ### 1:13:17 seg-0152 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0152` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0152](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0152) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4397s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4397s) And again, but the ultimate sensation, and I'm not sure if you guys ever had this, is you feel really light. You feel as though you're flying, and you feel as though you're ascending upwards. It's almost like transcendence, okay? Transcendent. You're being transcendent when you read Divine Comedy. Yeah. ### 1:13:37 seg-0153 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0153` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0153](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0153) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4417s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4417s) Transcendent. Psychedelics. I totally agree with the first two, but I think it still has a lack of will and purpose at the end. So you do feel elevated. You care less about small things, about, oh, I'm late, or oh, I don't have enough money or something. It really doesn't matter at all. You're connected to a way higher purpose. Yes. So you do feel lighter and creative, and you can direct your creativeness into, for example, me as a student learning. Yes. So you find new ways of learning, and way more efficiently. But we do like the, actually, motion to actually do things, and yeah. It's really comparable. ### 1:14:20 seg-0154 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0154` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0154](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0154) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4460s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4460s) Well, yeah. That's really interesting. Thank you for that. Any more questions before we continue? Okay. All right. Let's... Okay. So we are going now to the ultimate canto of Inferno, like the last canto, okay? But before we do that... I want us to use our imagination, okay? So imagine we're in Hollywood and writing this movie, and we have the script already, and now we just have to figure out the ending, right? And the ending, of course, is we meet Lucifer. We meet Satan. This is the ending of Inferno, okay? So I want to use our imagination and ask ourselves, if we are writing this movie, okay, first of all... First of all, how would we describe Lucifer? What is Lucifer? And how would we set the scene for the ending, okay? And again, this is the ending, right? So any suggestions? Come on. Let's be creative. Let's channel Dante. Yes? Well... Look, look, look, look. ### 1:15:32 seg-0155 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0155` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0155](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0155) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4532s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4532s) I know we've read the ending, but I'm just saying let's use our imagination, which we have not, okay? Yes? ### 1:15:38 seg-0156 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0156` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0156](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0156) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4538s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4538s) Well, our initial big question is, is he tempting still? Or is he pitiful? Exactly, okay? ### 1:15:43 seg-0157 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0157` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0157](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0157) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4543s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4543s) So the big question is temptation, because that is what Satan does, right? He is going to meet Dante and say to Dante, I know you're going to meet... You want to meet Beatrice, but let me tempt you with other things, right? Let me give you a beautiful woman. Let me give you riches. Let me give you a world kingdom, right? That's the most obvious thing you can do, right? Temptation. Just as Satan tempted Jesus in the desert, Satan will now tempt... Dante in hell, okay? So that's obvious. What... What... What are some other things? ### 1:16:20 seg-0158 - Speaker: SPEAKER_10 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0158` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0158](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0158) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4580s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4580s) Yes? Maybe try to sign a contract, because the devil and the demon, they always want to sign a contract with you. Exactly, yes. To make you... A contract, right? ### 1:16:31 seg-0159 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0159` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0159](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0159) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4591s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4591s) Right? For your soul, right? And this is the plot, of course, for Faust. And this is a very common thing. Yes? ### 1:16:40 seg-0160 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0160` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0160](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0160) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4600s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4600s) Well, we have to show him tethered in some way. Where he is selling a path upwards to all the people he's giving deals to. So... But we know God cast him out of heaven forever. So his desire is to get back there. He's caused mischief on earth. So we need to show him, if it was a Hollywood movie, in some way tied to where he is in a way that he can never escape. ### 1:17:03 seg-0161 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0161` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0161](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0161) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4623s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4623s) Can you describe his appearance for us? ### 1:17:06 seg-0162 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0162` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0162](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0162) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4626s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4626s) In the poem or in general? No, no, no, no, no. ### 1:17:09 seg-0163 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0163` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0163](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0163) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4629s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4629s) I... We know the... We know the poem, okay? But I'm just saying, like, if this were a Hollywood movie, right, what... How would he look like? Who would you cast to play Satan in this movie? ### 1:17:18 seg-0164 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0164` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0164](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0164) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4638s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4638s) An AI character. Most handsome person possible as decreed by AI. ### 1:17:26 seg-0165 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0165` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0165](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0165) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4646s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4646s) I think handsome, right? Like I think, like, really good looking, okay? Like maybe Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise at their prime, okay? Like really hot, really good looking, okay? Because that's part of the temptation, right? So... So beautiful. And, you know, in the Bible, not in the Bible, like, Christianity believes that Lucifer was a beautiful angel, right? The most beautiful of all the angels. So he has to be beautiful, right? And he has to be, like, really handsome and almost like a prince, right? Any other ideas for how this will play out? Yes? ### 1:18:03 seg-0166 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0166` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0166](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0166) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4683s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4683s) Like, to what extent we can relate with him? Like, can we understand how he got himself there? Or do we just... See him very... ### 1:18:11 seg-0167 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0167` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0167](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0167) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4691s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4691s) This is really good. Yes. Sympathy, right? So Lucifer is going to tell us a story of how he was betrayed by God, right? You think I'm the betrayer, but God betrayed me. And this becomes a plot line for Paradise Lost. But yeah, no. We have to sympathize with Satan because it's not just tempting Dante, he has to tempt us as well. He has to seduce us with his story. Yes. Anything else? ### 1:18:40 seg-0168 - Speaker: UNKNOWN - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0168` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0168](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0168) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4720s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4720s) One. ### 1:18:42 seg-0169 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0169` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0169](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0169) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4722s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4722s) I would imagine him as a shapeshifter because... Well, and it's part of temptation because you kind of become whoever is the object of someone's desire. ### 1:18:55 seg-0170 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0170` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0170](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0170) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4735s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4735s) Yeah. Well, I would say he's a poet, right? Because that's what a poet is. A poet is a chameleon. Okay? A poet is always shifting words to please you. Okay? Lyrical. So when he speaks, it is the most beautiful poetry in the divine comedy. It's lyrical. It's poetry. And he's a chameleon. Yes. Thank you. Anyone else? Yes. ### 1:19:21 seg-0171 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0171` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0171](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0171) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4761s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4761s) Like very cunning or like lying like a snake. So like how the temptation happens in the Garden of Eden. Okay. Did God really say this? Or like actually word by word, he didn't really say that. And then kind of debates with you and makes you kind of believe him. ### 1:19:36 seg-0172 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0172` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0172](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0172) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4776s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4776s) Yes. He has to provide logical syllogisms, right? Yeah. He has to convince you. ### 1:19:42 seg-0173 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0173` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0173](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0173) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4782s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4782s) Yes. ### 1:19:42 seg-0174 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0174` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0174](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0174) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4782s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4782s) Logically. And he will be very convincing, right? He'll use logic. Just as, you know, in Paradise Lost where Satan convinced Eve, right? It was a very logical speech. Okay. Anyone else? ### 1:19:59 seg-0175 - Speaker: SPEAKER_12 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0175` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0175](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0175) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4799s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4799s) I'd read Paradise Lost before I read Inferno. And so I was expecting, it's like a paradigm shift or the Germans would call it a Gestalt shift. The Gestalt shift where like my entire worldview changed because of how Satan had expressed his point of view. And so it goes beyond sympathy to empathy for him. And I expect him to use that persuasively. So something beyond temptation would be persuasive and lawyerly. Yes. Like, so every argument that I would have, this is a brother's cameras off. Every argument that I would have would be steel manned by him and then broken down. ### 1:20:38 seg-0176 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0176` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0176](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0176) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4838s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4838s) Yes. That's right. So not only do we have to sympathize with him, we have to be like, feel that we are like him. Yes, exactly. Yes. ### 1:20:45 seg-0177 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0177` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0177](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0177) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4845s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4845s) It makes me think about C.S. Lewis's Screw Type Letters. I think it was basically written about an uncle demon who was trying to teach his young nephew demon to seduce people. So it was all kinds of lectures from demons. So these letters to teach him how to seduce men and be like, so it's really fun. So that whole book was written in a demon's perspective, which is very fun. But it's about all of these mentioned above, deception. ### 1:21:12 seg-0178 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0178` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0178](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0178) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4872s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4872s) Where's Virgil in this movie? What happens to Virgil? Right? Because they went on this long journey together. What happens to Virgil? What would you do with Virgil, this character? You know that Dante's being tempted, right? And Dante represents us. And we know what Satan's doing, but what's Virgil doing? ### 1:21:34 seg-0179 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0179` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0179](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0179) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4894s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4894s) I mean, I guess if it was a movie, he'd be transitioned to like a location where he would be watching over Dante, but not involved in this scene at all. Yeah. ### 1:21:44 seg-0180 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0180` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0180](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0180) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4904s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4904s) Yeah. I think the first thing is that Virgil will be trapped, right? Or he would be frozen, right? He'd be frozen. And Satan would use Virgil as a bargaining chip and says, listen, your friend now is frozen. If you love him, let's make a deal. Right? So you can almost see the scene where Virgil and Dante come in. And the first thing that happens is that Satan just snaps his finger and Virgil is frozen in place. Cannot move. Cannot speak. And Dante is now terrified. Right? And now Satan will begin his temptation, tell his story, elicit sympathy, then use his logic to convince us that, no, actually, the way we understood the universe is wrong. God is evil. Satan is good. That's why there's this rebellion. This basically would be able to applaud Paradise Lost, okay? But yeah. Yes? ### 1:22:43 seg-0181 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0181` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0181](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0181) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4963s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4963s) I think he'd also inspire fear. ### 1:22:47 seg-0182 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0182` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0182](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0182) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4967s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4967s) Yes. Right? He has to inspire fear and anxiety. Right? In the beginning. But then he wants you to love him. Does that make sense? Maybe in the beginning he wants fear and anxiety, but then... Yes? ### 1:23:00 seg-0183 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0183` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0183](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0183) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4980s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4980s) He would also try to cause distrust between maybe him and Virgil. That's interesting. Yes. Okay. So because Virgil is his best friend up to this point, and if he causes distrust between them, it makes him... ### 1:23:14 seg-0184 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0184` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0184](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0184) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4994s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=4994s) That is great. Yeah. So maybe not freeze Virgil, but change Virgil and show certain things, certain flashbacks between Virgil and Don that show that Virgil is not a reliable character. And there's quite a few of these scenes. Yes. ### 1:23:30 seg-0185 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0185` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0185](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0185) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5010s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5010s) Makes me think about Harry Potter, where it's like kind of make you lose all hope or despair or like kind of breaks down of your fundamental belief of the world. Yes. And then where like Harry Potter has to say, expel no Patronus. Yes. To expel all these darkness and despair in your life. Yes. So it's kind of the similar. ### 1:23:49 seg-0186 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0186` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0186](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0186) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5029s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5029s) Yes. Okay. Okay. So this is all great. Okay. And like, this is what a Hollywood movie would look like. This is what most people would write. Okay. And guess what? We are completely and utterly wrong. Okay. None of this happens. In fact, the complete opposite happens. Okay. All right. This is what's shocking about Divine Comedy. So we're going to read, we will now read the last canto. Again, this is what we should expect. To happen. This is what most people would write. In fact, a lot of people have written this in, in, uh, in literature. Got, uh, Gerda with false Milton paradise loss. You have Philip Pullman who wrote his dark materials trilogy. Um, but that's how it happens. Okay. Okay. So let's read kind of 34. And we're trying to figure out why, uh, this does not happen. ### 1:24:40 seg-0187 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0187` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0187](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0187) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5080s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5080s) Okay. Canto 34. Vexilla regis proteunt in fiat. Farni toward us and therefore keep your eyes ahead. My master said to see if you can spy him. ### 1:24:52 seg-0188 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0188` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0188](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0188) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5092s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5092s) Okay. So they're now going to meet Satan or Lucifer. Okay. Whatever name is the devil. Okay. ### 1:25:00 seg-0189 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0189` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0189](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0189) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5100s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5100s) Just as when night falls on our hemisphere or when a heavy fog is blowing thick, a windmill seems to wheel when seen far off. So then I seem to see that sort of structure and next because the wind was strong, I shrank behind my guide. There was no other shelter. And now with fear, I set it down in meter. I was where all the shades were fully covered, but visible as wisps of straw and glass. There's some lie flat. Another stand erect one on his head and one upon his souls. And some Ben face to feet, just like a bow. But after we had made our way ahead, my master felt he now should have me see that creature who was once a handsome presence. He stepped aside and made me stop and said. Look, here is this. ### 1:25:48 seg-0190 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0190` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0190](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0190) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5148s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5148s) And this is just a name for Lucifer or Satan. Okay. ### 1:25:51 seg-0191 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0191` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0191](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0191) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5151s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5151s) And this is the place where you will have to arm yourself with fortitude. Oh, reader, do not ask of me how I grew faint and frozen. Then I cannot write it. All words would fall, fall, fall far short of what it was. I did not die and I was not alive. Think for yourself. If you have any wit, what I became deprived of life and death. The emperor of the despot. The kingdom so towered from the ice up from mid chest that I matched better with a giant's breath than giants match the measure of his arms. Now you can gauge the size of all of him if it is in proportion to such parts. ### 1:26:30 seg-0192 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0192` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0192](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0192) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5190s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5190s) So basically this guy's a skyscraper. Okay. He is huge. Keep on going. ### 1:26:35 seg-0193 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0193` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0193](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0193) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5195s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5195s) If he was once as handsome and he now is ugly and despite that raised his brows against his maker. One can understand how every sorrow has its source in him. I marveled when I saw that on his head he had three faces. One in front, blood red. And then another two that just above the midpoint of each shoulder joined the first. And at the crown, all three were reattached. The right looked somewhat yellow, somewhat white. The left in its appearance was like those who come from where the Nile descending flows. Beneath each face of his two wings spread out. As broad, as suited, so immense a bird. I've never seen a ship with sails so wide. They had no feathers but were fashioned like a bat's. And he was agitating them so that three winds made their way out of him, out from him. And all Cossetus froze before those winds. He wept out of six eyes and down three chins. ### 1:27:38 seg-0194 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0194` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0194](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0194) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5258s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5258s) Tears gushed together with a bloody froth. Within each mouth he used it like a grinder. With gnashing teeth he tore to bits a sinner, so that he brought much pain to three at once. The forward sinner found that biting nothing when matched against the clawing, for at times his back was stripped completely of its hide. That soul up there who has to suffer most, my master said, Judas Iscariot. His head inside, he jerks his legs without. Of those two others with their heads beneath, the one who hangs from that black snout is Brutus. See how he writhes and does not say a word. That other who seems so robust is Cassius. But night has come again, and it is time for us to leave. We have seen everything. Just as he asked, I clasped him around the neck, and he watched for the chance of time and place, and when the wings were open wide enough. ### 1:28:37 seg-0195 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0195` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0195](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0195) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5317s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5317s) He took fast hold upon the shaggy flanks and then descended, down from tuft to tuft between the tangled hair and icy crust. When we had reached the point at which the thigh revolves, just at the swelling of the hip, my guide, with heavy strain and rugged work, reversed his head to where his legs had been and grappled on the hair as one who climbs. I thought that we were going back to hell. Hold tight, my master said. He panted like a man exhausted. It is by such stairs that we must take our leave of so much evil. Then he slipped through a crevice in a rock and placed me on the edge of it to sit. That done, he climbed toward me with steady steps. I raised my eyes, believing I should see the half of Lucifer that I had left. Instead, I saw him with his legs turned up. ### 1:29:27 seg-0196 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0196` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0196](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0196) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5367s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5367s) And if I then became perplexed, do let the ignorant be judges, those who cannot understand what point I had just crossed. Get up, my master said. Be on your feet. The way along the path is difficult. The sun's already back to middle tierce. It was no palace hall, the place in which we found ourselves, but with this rough, hewn floor and scanty light, a dungeon built by nature. Before I free myself from this abyss, master, I said when I stood up straight, tell me enough to see I don't mistake. Where's this ice? And how's he so placed head downward? Tell me, too, how has the sun in so few hours gone from night to morning? And he to me, You still believe you're north of the center? Where I grasped the hair of the damned worm who pierces through the world. And you were there as long as I descended, but when I turned, that's when you passed the point to which from every part all weights are drawn. ### 1:30:28 seg-0197 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0197` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0197](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0197) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5428s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5428s) And now you stand beneath the hemisphere opposing that which cloaks the great dry lands and underneath whose venus died the man whose birth and life were sinless in this world. Your feet are placed upon a little sphere that forms the other face of the Judaica. Here it is morning when it's evening there. And he whose hair has served us as a ladder is still fixed, even as he was before. This was the side on which he fell from heaven for fear of him. The land that once loomed here made of the sea a veil and rose into our hemisphere. And that land, which appears upon this side perhaps to flee from him, left here this hollow space and hurried upward. There's a place below the limit of that cave, its farthest point from Beelzebub, a place one cannot see. ### 1:31:20 seg-0198 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0198` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0198](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0198) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5480s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5480s) It is discovered by ear. There is a sounding stream that flows along the hollow of a rock eroded by winding waters, and the slope is easy. My guide and I came on that hidden road to make our way back into the bright world, and with no care for any rest, we climbed. He first, I following, until I saw, through, around, opening, some of those things of beauty heaven bears. It was from there that we emerged to see once more the stars. ### 1:31:51 seg-0199 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0199` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0199](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0199) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5511s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5511s) Okay, so the word we have for Canal 34 is anticlimactic, okay? This is not at all interesting or what we expected. There's no sense of relief. There's no sense of drama. We built all the way up, all right, to this canto, and it's just like a huge disappointment, right? We're expecting this beautiful Lucifer who would tempt us with poetry, and I don't even know what he is, actually, okay? So this is really paradoxical. Again, the word is paradox. This makes no sense. Dante is not a bad writer. He is a good writer. So how do you guys feel about this? ### 1:32:50 seg-0200 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0200` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0200](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0200) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5570s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5570s) Yes? My initial sense is that he doesn't want to risk priming us in any way bad. So he's, as we've been saying, if his poetry is priming us to put seeds in our brain of interesting thoughts, he doesn't even want to write the tempting words that Satan might have said to him down there in case it infects the reader even slightly. Is Satan capable of speech? I can't remember reading anything in this that says he's not, but... We know he's actually not capable of speech. Why? ### 1:33:22 seg-0201 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0201` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0201](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0201) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5602s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5602s) Yes? Yes, go ahead. ### 1:33:27 seg-0202 - Speaker: SPEAKER_06 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0202` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0202](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0202) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5607s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5607s) He's chewing on a sinner's... ### 1:33:29 seg-0203 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0203` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0203](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0203) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5609s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5609s) Yeah, so his mouth is kind of busy, so he can't actually speak. But what else? Okay, alright. Did you have a comment? Okay. We know he's actually not capable of speech, not just because his mouth is busy, but also because... Why? ### 1:33:47 seg-0204 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0204` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0204](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0204) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5627s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5627s) The lake in which he's frozen flips no matter what aspect you look at him. So he's frozen from the middle, to either extremity of his body, and therefore there's no way his being can communicate. ### 1:34:03 seg-0205 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0205` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0205](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0205) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5643s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5643s) Uh... Yeah, that's interesting, yes, okay. You're right. So is he conscious? Is he conscious? Let me ask you this question. If there's a mosquito on your neck, what do you do? Yeah, you hit it, obviously, right? Is there a mosquito on... Uh... Satan? Is there a mosquito on Satan? It's Virgil, man. What's he doing? Nothing. Do you understand? He's not even conscious. What is he? He's not conscious, right? What is he, really? ### 1:34:54 seg-0206 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0206` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0206](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0206) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5694s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5694s) Uh... NPC? ### 1:34:56 seg-0207 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0207` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0207](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0207) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5696s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5696s) Uh... No, I wouldn't say he's an NPC. I'd say he's even worse than an NPC. What? ### 1:35:08 seg-0208 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0208` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0208](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0208) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5708s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5708s) He's like a zombie? ### 1:35:09 seg-0209 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0209` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0209](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0209) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5709s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5709s) No, he's even worse than a zombie, actually. If you just look at it, look at the words that Donna used to describe him, right? Like robots? He's even worse than a robot. What are the words that Donna used to describe him? He is a what? Hmm? He actually uses certain words to describe the Lucifer. What other words he uses? First of all, what is Lucifer doing? What is he, like, literally doing? ### 1:35:56 seg-0210 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0210` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0210](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0210) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5756s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5756s) It says he's a ship. I've never seen a ship with sails so wide. A ship is one of these words. What are some other words? A bird. He says a bat and a bird. What line? ### 1:36:14 seg-0211 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0211` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0211](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0211) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5774s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5774s) Well, his wings are like that. ### 1:36:16 seg-0212 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0212` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0212](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0212) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5776s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5776s) Yeah, his wings are like bats. But what is he? Read it carefully. What words are being used to describe... Excuse me? A grinder? Yes. What else? There are lots of these. Grinder? What else? ### 1:36:37 seg-0213 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0213` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0213](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0213) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5797s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5797s) I think he said giant. Or, like, really big. At some point. ### 1:36:41 seg-0214 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0214` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0214](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0214) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5801s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5801s) Where? Find me the line. Read the poetry, guys. He's using specific words to describe... It's kind of animalistic. Find me the words. ### 1:36:54 seg-0215 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0215` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0215](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0215) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5814s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5814s) He says, I suited so immense a bird. ### 1:36:57 seg-0216 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0216` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0216](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0216) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5817s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5817s) Bird? This is a simile, right? I'm saying, like, what are the words that directly... ### 1:37:04 seg-0217 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0217` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0217](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0217) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5824s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5824s) Line six. It's blowing thick. A windmill seems to wail and seem far off. ### 1:37:09 seg-0218 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0218` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0218](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0218) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5829s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5829s) So, a windmill. What's the next line? ### 1:37:11 seg-0219 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0219` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0219](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0219) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5831s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5831s) And in seven, he says, So then I seem to see that sort of structure. ### 1:37:16 seg-0220 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0220` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0220](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0220) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5836s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5836s) Structure. Do you understand? Windmill. Structure. Tower. He is a building. Okay? He is a machine. That's all he is. He's not even a... He's not even conscious. Right? He's an air conditioner. That's literally what he is. He's a giant air conditioner. Blowing wind to cool the lake. Yeah. That's all he is. He's an ice blower. Like, what is going on here? Okay? This makes no sense. ### 1:37:57 seg-0221 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0221` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0221](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0221) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5877s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5877s) I think, yeah, it's... He's the paradoxical source of cold. So if cold is molecules vibrating less and less quickly, somehow there has to be a source in this magic universe, and that's him. Right. ### 1:38:10 seg-0222 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0222` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0222](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0222) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5890s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5890s) So his punishment, his betrayal is so great, because he betrayed God, that his punishment is that he's lost all consciousness. Right? Now he's just a machine. That is how low he's sunk. He's just a building. Yes? ### 1:38:26 seg-0223 - Speaker: SPEAKER_06 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0223` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0223](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0223) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5906s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5906s) Like, I was thinking, if he is conscious, but he cannot do anything with his situation, wouldn't that be, like, a worse punishment? Because now he is basically gone, and there's just his, like... It's just his physical being that is in hell, but not his conscious or his soul. Like, wouldn't it be a worse punishment if he knew what he was doing, but then he couldn't do anything about it? ### 1:38:51 seg-0224 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0224` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0224](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0224) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5931s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5931s) So he's comatose? Is that what you're saying? He's comatose? He's a vegetable? Kinda. Okay. Um, I don't... Yeah, I mean, like, I think he's just frozen, right? Because consciousness requires experience. Yes? ### 1:39:09 seg-0225 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0225` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0225](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0225) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5949s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5949s) I would venture to say that's his just punishment. Right. Lucifer's just punishment, because he was anything but, and now seems like this powerless, inert, frozen being. That's just kind of not even at its will or has conscience. ### 1:39:33 seg-0226 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0226` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0226](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0226) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5973s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5973s) Right. Yes. Okay. ### 1:39:35 seg-0227 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0227` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0227](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0227) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5975s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5975s) And it is also funny that if God is the source of light and love and sun and, you know, everything, energy, heat, then Lucifer is the lack of. So, like, going back to Paradiso Canto 1, you know, Stanza 1. ### 1:39:50 seg-0228 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0228` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0228](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0228) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5990s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5990s) Exactly, right? ### 1:39:51 seg-0229 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0229` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0229](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0229) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5991s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5991s) He's the mirror, the opposite. ### 1:39:53 seg-0230 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0230` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0230](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0230) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5993s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=5993s) That's right. Exactly, right? Remember, like, angels, they all, they can never turn away from God, right? The more they turn away from God, they become this. Yes? ### 1:40:02 seg-0231 - Speaker: SPEAKER_12 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0231` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0231](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0231) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6002s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6002s) Yeah, I wonder, not just in an ethical sense, like, if God is all good, but just in a capability sense, like, I'm good at running. Then having that lack of good in the capable sense, Satan, even like Uglino, was good at being clever and locking people into that tower. And Satan is not good. He's not good at anything because he can't do anything. ### 1:40:29 seg-0232 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0232` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0232](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0232) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6029s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6029s) Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, to answer your question, is it possible he's conscious but he can't move? And the answer is, if you're conscious, he would be allowed to speak and talk about his punishment, right? Does that make sense? And the fact that he doesn't speak means he's not actually conscious. Yes? ### 1:40:46 seg-0233 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0233` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0233](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0233) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6046s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6046s) But I think he does have some level of comprehension because it does say that he's crying. ### 1:40:53 seg-0234 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0234` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0234](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0234) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6053s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6053s) Right, that is correct, yes. He feels, he is crying, yes. That's a very interesting comment, yes. And what would he make of this? Because he's clearly not conscious. ### 1:41:04 seg-0235 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0235` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0235](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0235) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6064s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6064s) It's almost like that analogy of the sort of vegetative state. Okay, yeah. ### 1:41:09 seg-0236 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0236` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0236](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0236) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6069s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6069s) So it's possible he's conscious and he's crying, yes. ### 1:41:11 seg-0237 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0237` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0237](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0237) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6071s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6071s) Yes? Yeah, what I still don't really understand is we say Satan or Lucifer was an angel, but angels can never turn away from God. So how did he turn away from God? That's a great question. Yes, okay. ### 1:41:25 seg-0238 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0238` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0238](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0238) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6085s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6085s) That's also a paradox. ### 1:41:27 seg-0239 - Speaker: SPEAKER_03 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0239` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0239](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0239) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6087s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6087s) Yes? I think Lucifer reminds me of a giant data center. It can host all kind of programs, can process information, but ultimately it lacks its own soul. ### 1:41:41 seg-0240 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0240` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0240](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0240) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6101s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6101s) Yeah, exactly. So he's clearly a machine. Okay, but let's try to figure out the question, okay? Because all angels are staring at God. They're turning towards God. And then Lucifer turns, turns away. Yes? ### 1:41:58 seg-0241 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0241` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0241](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0241) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6118s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6118s) I think this is quite a prosaic interpretation, but because he's the God of light, sorry, the angel of light, it is in his essence. Darkness is also essential to his being just by being the angel of light. So he's like the most unlucky angel because of all of the ones that would ever slip up and turn to the darkness. It's going to be him because as the angel of light, that's the only way I can see. ### 1:42:25 seg-0242 - Speaker: SPEAKER_10 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0242` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0242](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0242) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6145s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6145s) Yeah, so what, yes? Because I've heard that the God loved Lucifer mostly. ### 1:42:34 seg-0243 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0243` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0243](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0243) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6154s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6154s) Yeah, so he's supposed to love God, right? ### 1:42:36 seg-0244 - Speaker: SPEAKER_10 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0244` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0244](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0244) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6156s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6156s) He's God's lieutenant. Yeah, the love is not a limitation. Maybe he can, you know. ### 1:42:42 seg-0245 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0245` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0245](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0245) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6162s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6162s) Right, so it's possible that he was the lieutenant and he had free will. He screwed up, okay? ### 1:42:49 seg-0246 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0246` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0246](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0246) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6169s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6169s) But then he wasn't an angel because angels don't have a free will, right? ### 1:42:53 seg-0247 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0247` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0247](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0247) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6173s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6173s) Right, no. But remember, when we were up in Paradiso, there are different levels of angels. There are different categories of angels, right? But we said all angels have no free will, I thought. ### 1:43:03 seg-0248 - Speaker: SPEAKER_11 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0248` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0248](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0248) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6183s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6183s) And consciousness. ### 1:43:04 seg-0249 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0249` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0249](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0249) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6184s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6184s) Or consciousness. ### 1:43:05 seg-0250 - Speaker: SPEAKER_11 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0250` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0250](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0250) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6185s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6185s) No consciousness and no free will. ### 1:43:08 seg-0251 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0251` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0251](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0251) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6188s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6188s) Right, right, right. But think of them as organs in a body, right? They're all different. They all serve a particular function. And this particular organ, Satan chose to become a cancer. And so the body threw him out. But what he didn't recognize is that the body, the larger body, you as an organ have actually no purpose. And so you just decay and become dead. ### 1:43:35 seg-0252 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0252` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0252](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0252) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6215s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6215s) But he could still choose. But he still had a decision. Or he could make a decision. But if you don't have a free will, then how can you make a decision? ### 1:43:45 seg-0253 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0253` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0253](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0253) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6225s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6225s) Yes? I think that he was God's number two. Yes. So that he didn't have free will, but he was about as close as possible that any celestial intelligence could get. I know it's difficult for me as well, but I just think that it's God proving that whoever he gave, like imagine he has to organize his power in a certain way amongst angels to exact his will or whatever. His number two, the one he gives the most power to, is the one most likely to betray him and turn away and have that capacity. ### 1:44:20 seg-0254 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0254` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0254](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0254) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6260s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6260s) So was he always supposed to turn away from him? ### 1:44:23 seg-0255 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0255` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0255](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0255) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6263s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6263s) That's a kind of theme in Paradise Lost, but I'm not sure. It's a question I cannot answer. ### 1:44:27 seg-0256 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0256` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0256](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0256) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6267s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6267s) Okay, alright. So let's first talk about things we know, okay? First of all, we know that God's gift to humanity was free will. And free will is what distinguishes us from other beings, okay? That we know from Paradiso. We have free will, and we can choose whatever path we want. That's number one, okay? Number two is the functions of the angels in the heavens is to basically be organs of a body, right? To maintain the proper functioning of the universe, okay? So they don't actually have free will. They're just basically servants, okay? So Lucifer was a head servant, and he doesn't have free will, and so how does he turn away from God then? He doesn't have free will. How does he turn away from God? ### 1:45:34 seg-0257 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0257` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0257](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0257) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6334s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6334s) I just think it's in the nature of the number two to eventually try to be number one. Yeah, his nature has to be disobedience, okay? ### 1:45:43 seg-0258 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0258` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0258](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0258) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6343s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6343s) That's the only thing that makes sense. Like, it's his nature to be disobedient. It is his will to turn away from God. That is his function, to turn away from God. Why that's the case, I don't really know. Okay? ### 1:45:56 seg-0259 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0259` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0259](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0259) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6356s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6356s) So when God constructed this hierarchy, then he must have willed this, that he would one day turn away. Yeah. So, okay. ### 1:46:06 seg-0260 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0260` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0260](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0260) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6366s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6366s) Right, so the only thing that he cannot will is us. He gave us free will, okay? But everything else, he willed into being. Right? Right? ### 1:46:15 seg-0261 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0261` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0261](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0261) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6375s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6375s) Yes? Sometimes I think this is a little bit funny that it's almost like a father whose son is really good at table tennis, but the school he's sending his son to doesn't play table tennis. So he tries to get the school to play table tennis before his son attends it. So God let Satan destroy the world so that Jesus would be able to have as big of an impact as possible. ### 1:46:38 seg-0262 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0262` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0262](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0262) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6398s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6398s) Yeah, that's, I mean, that's what Christians believe, right? Okay, yeah, that's the idea here. Like, everything happens for a reason. But if that's the case, okay, this creates another paradox, which is there are three betrayers, right? Three people are being punished. And these are the worst offenders in human history. And they are Judas Iscariot. They are Brutus and Cassius. Brutus and Cassius, of course, are the two who assassinated Julius Caesar. But we know for a fact that there is a plan, right? The plan is to create Christianity. Brutus and Cassius were crucial to this plan because by killing Julius Caesar, that enabled the rise of Augustus Caesar and the Roman Empire. And then, and then, Judas Iscariot is crucial to this plan because without him, there'll be no, there'll be no betrayal, right? And so Jesus would not be crucified. So, like, if it's all part of God's plan, why would these three be punished? ### 1:47:39 seg-0263 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0263` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0263](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0263) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6459s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6459s) Uh, yeah? ### 1:47:42 seg-0264 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0264` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0264](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0264) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6462s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6462s) Because it's a vision being shown to Dante, to conscious minds, that if you showed that evil people sometimes are part of God's plan, I don't think that's a good image to spread. ### 1:47:54 seg-0265 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0265` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0265](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0265) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6474s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6474s) Okay, yes. ### 1:47:56 seg-0266 - Speaker: SPEAKER_12 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0266` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0266](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0266) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6476s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6476s) I don't, I don't know if Dante would be a determinist. That he's been harping on free will this whole time. ### 1:48:00 seg-0267 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0267` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0267](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0267) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6480s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6480s) That's right. That's right. So that can't be the answer, okay? Free will is the fundamental law of the universe, okay? So why are these three being punished? ### 1:48:12 seg-0268 - Speaker: UNKNOWN - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0268` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0268](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0268) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6492s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6492s) Okay. ### 1:48:12 seg-0269 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0269` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0269](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0269) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6492s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6492s) So in theology, I think they explain it like this, if I'm not mistaken, is that God has a plan for the world. He sees the ultimate ending of all your choices. He's kind of like AI, right? Like, he can foresee, like, AlphaGo. He can foresee your next step. He gives you free will, right, as the competitor on the other side of the Go game. So he knows, ultimately, as AI can calculate by mathematical formulas, that you are going to end up at this step. So like all the trailers, God can see that they are going to end up doing that. But God doesn't control and make you, like, you have to do that. But God just kind of like silently watch behind the curtain and be like, oh, you're going there? Okay, then there will be Jesus. Or you're going that, then there will be the Holy Roman Empire. So he doesn't interfere. So he's not responsible for your fault. ### 1:48:59 seg-0270 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0270` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0270](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0270) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6539s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6539s) So he's not, he's not willing, planning you, predetermining you to make that fall. But he kind of prepares, like, AI. He prepares, like, options 1 to 12. You know, it depends on your, you know. ### 1:49:10 seg-0271 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0271` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0271](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0271) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6550s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6550s) I understand that. But at the same time, they are contributing to the divine plan, right? Go ahead. ### 1:49:19 seg-0272 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0272` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0272](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0272) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6559s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6559s) I'm speculating. I don't have a conclusion yet. ### 1:49:21 seg-0273 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0273` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0273](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0273) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6561s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6561s) All we're doing is speculating, okay? Because, like, again, if you read all the commentary, the scholarship on Dante, no one knows what's going on. Like, what's going on here, right? ### 1:49:32 seg-0274 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0274` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0274](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0274) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6572s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6572s) I want to follow up on that point of just the perception and how psychedelics alters the filters and the ability for perception. It's almost like God, the Creator, is putting up a play for all us humans to watch. The Matrix, you know, whatever it is, and it's for us to watch and perceive. But even this is not reality. ### 1:50:07 seg-0275 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0275` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0275](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0275) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6607s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6607s) Right, okay. ### 1:50:08 seg-0276 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0276` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0276](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0276) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6608s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6608s) But it's meant to do something to open you up. ### 1:50:13 seg-0277 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0277` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0277](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0277) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6613s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6613s) Okay. Okay. Right. I don't think Dante is that complicated. Let's focus on simple solutions, okay? Okay? So again, like, Occam's razor. We are looking for elegance. So that's a great explanation. All these are great explanations. But I'm looking for, like, a really elegant explanation for what's going on. Okay? Let's move towards elegance, clarity, and simplicity. Let everyone understand. Yes? ### 1:50:38 seg-0278 - Speaker: SPEAKER_00 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0278` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0278](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0278) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6638s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6638s) Online chat. So how Lucifer managed constant adversity for mortals in any and every degree is God's will. ### 1:50:47 seg-0279 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0279` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0279](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0279) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6647s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6647s) Okay. All right. Thank you for that. Yes? ### 1:50:51 seg-0280 - Speaker: SPEAKER_12 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0280` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0280](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0280) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6651s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6651s) So we had said earlier, Augustine claims that God made hell, and hell is good because it's cosmic justice. You cannot have free will without evil. I don't know if Augustine comes to a determination that God made evil, or if evil is a byproduct of free will. But it seems like they go hand in hand. ### 1:51:11 seg-0281 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0281` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0281](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0281) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6671s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6671s) Okay. All right. So we're running out of time, okay? But let me explain what's going on, okay? There may be a divine plan. It doesn't matter, okay? Because we are the divine plan. The imagination is the divine plan. And so what matters is not, is this advancing God's plan. That's not what matters, okay? The results don't matter. It's a process that matters. What matters is what effect does it have on us, okay? Now, Brutus and Cassius are important because how did they assassinate Julius Caesar? Do you guys know sort of Julius Caesar? Who are these people, Brutus and Cassius? Yes? ### 1:51:53 seg-0282 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0282` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0282](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0282) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6713s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6713s) So I think Julius Caesar was about to give a big speech, and in the forum, before they beckoned him in and said, let's have a meeting just prior to your big address to the Senate, and then they killed him. ### 1:52:06 seg-0283 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0283` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0283](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0283) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6726s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6726s) But I'm saying like, ### 1:52:07 seg-0284 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0284` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0284](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0284) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6727s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6727s) how did they get access to Julius Caesar? By being his friend, comrade, helper. ### 1:52:15 seg-0285 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0285` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0285](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0285) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6735s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6735s) Yeah. To Brutus, okay? So you guys don't know this, but there's speculation that Brutus was his son. All right. So remember, this is, when was Julius Caesar assassinated? Like what year? 33? I can't actually remember when he was assassinated, okay? But it's like 10 years after these brutal civil wars, when all these women were trying to kill each other. And then Julius Caesar was the only one left standing, and everyone around him, so 44 BC, okay? But everyone around him were his best friends, his most loyal allies, and these were the people who betrayed him. Do you understand? Okay? So it goes back to the idea of betrayal of guests. But what this is is the betrayal of the host. Does it make sense? They are guests in his house. He is basically emperor now. And they, yes. ### 1:53:08 seg-0286 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0286` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0286](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0286) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6788s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6788s) Is it not even worse? Is it because the Romans then later said that Julius Caesar is God, so it's betrayal of God maybe even. Exactly. ### 1:53:18 seg-0287 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0287` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0287](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0287) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6798s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6798s) Exactly. That's right. After Augustus Caesar comes to power, he elevates Julius Caesar to divinity, okay? So this is why they're in hell. Because Brutus and Cassius, not only did they kill the host, right? But they killed God himself. ### 1:53:35 seg-0288 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0288` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0288](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0288) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6815s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6815s) But that's, but in the Christian, from the Christian view, it wouldn't be, from Dante, it wouldn't be a God. Like, Julius Caesar wouldn't be a God from Dante's view. ### 1:53:43 seg-0289 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0289` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0289](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0289) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6823s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6823s) Yeah. But then the question then is, who is really master of hell? And who put these guys there? ### 1:53:47 seg-0290 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0290` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0290](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0290) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6827s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6827s) Virgil. ### 1:53:48 seg-0291 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0291` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0291](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0291) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6828s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6828s) Virgil. Probably Virgil, okay? Because we know it's not Lucifer. Do you understand? Okay? This is why Divine Comedy, it is so brilliant. Because this is a Hollywood movie, but it's a shock reveal. You understand? It's a shock reveal. We thought Lucifer was the one in charge, but it was Virgil all along. Okay? Because why else are Brutus and Cassius suffering like that? Okay? Does that make sense? This is the shock reveal. All right? But has Dante been tempted by Virgil? Right? We said that Lucifer's job is to tempt Jesus. Has Virgil tempted Dante? Has he succeeded in tempting Dante? ### 1:54:47 seg-0292 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0292` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0292](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0292) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6887s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6887s) Somewhat. Because earlier in the Inferno, it seems fairly clear, even if there are some doubts, that Dante does trust Virgil. ### 1:54:55 seg-0293 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0293` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0293](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0293) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6895s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6895s) Yeah. Yeah. How much does he trust Virgil? Okay. The scene is this, right? What lets him out of hell is Virgil climbs Lucifer. Where's Dante? Virgil is the one climbing Lucifer, right? Where is Dante? Where's Dante? On the back of Virgil. Right? You understand this? Okay? So they're climbing out of hell and they go into sunlight. What does this remind you of? This is an allegory for what? ### 1:55:38 seg-0294 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0294` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0294](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0294) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6938s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6938s) The medieval mythos of saving and abduction or saving the princess. ### 1:55:45 seg-0295 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0295` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0295](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0295) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6945s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6945s) Much more simple than that. ### 1:55:47 seg-0296 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0296` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0296](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0296) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6947s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6947s) Yes? Icar. What? Icar. The one that flew and that got too close to the sun. Oh, Icar. Icarus. Icarus. Yeah. Yes? ### 1:55:57 seg-0297 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0297` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0297](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0297) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6957s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6957s) Oh, just stepping on the shoulders of giants to reach ahead. ### 1:56:02 seg-0298 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0298` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0298](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0298) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6962s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=6962s) Oh yeah. Yeah. That's an interesting, but that's not what I'm thinking about. Okay. Yes. Birth? Yes. It's birth, man. Right? Think about how the mother takes you from the darkness into the light for exertion. Right? It's marrying birth. It's hell. Now it's complete darkness and Virgil is climbing Lucifer with Dante on his back and they go into the light. It's exertion. Right? So has Virgil succeeded? Yeah. He's made Dante into his son. Once we leave inferno, the temptation is complete. It's a journey into temptation. Right? It's a journey into sin, into darkness. And now Dante. Right? Is completely beholden to Virgil as his son. Does that make sense? Yes. ### 1:57:05 seg-0299 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0299` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0299](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0299) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7025s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7025s) Yeah. Because later we see as well that Dante misses Virgil. ### 1:57:09 seg-0300 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0300` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0300](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0300) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7029s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7029s) Yes. That's right. Okay. Do you see how beautiful this is? It's anticlimactic, but it's perfect ending and it's, it is so symbolic, right? Does that make sense to you guys? All right. Any questions or comments about this? Yes. ### 1:57:30 seg-0301 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0301` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0301](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0301) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7050s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7050s) Yeah. So the idea of metaphor kind of makes me think about, oh, it's so evangelical to say, but like so that like our hundred years on earth, it's kind of like this journey of in the mother's womb and growing and learning about the ultimate reality. Like Pluto said that he has seen outside of the cave. And so that after this one hundred years, we are officially entering internal life to live life to the fullest in heaven or whatever place. So it's kind of the same as this ending. I feel like. ### 1:58:04 seg-0302 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0302` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0302](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0302) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7084s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7084s) Exactly. Another comment I'll make is like this, the birth is an allegory for Dante reading the Iliad, right? In Latin. Cause at this time, everyone memorized the Iliad in Latin and it's a really good way to learn Latin by the way. So it's, so it's, it's an allegory for that. Like you reading the Iliad is like Virgil giving birth to you. Okay. So this is, this is again, the beauty of the conversation. There are so many, this now is a cliffhanger, right? Because Lucifer has exceeded in tempting Jesus. But the temptation is complete. And so the, so now what's going to happen is we know we've, we've read paradise. Okay. We know that paradise, it is vision and revelation. It mirrors the book of revelation. Okay. We know that. We also know like infernal is really prophecy. Okay. it is a criticism of italy okay so what purgatory has to be is a pilgrimage or ### 1:59:12 seg-0303 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0303` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0303](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0303) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7152s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7152s) a journey okay it's gonna be literally a journey away from virgil and into beatrice away from hell and into heaven okay and this is this is like the grand scheme of the divine comedy all right so we come back we're we're gonna look at how virgil is really lucifer all right so enjoy your break we'll come back an hour um good afternoon um so a couple of issues from this morning okay the first issue is why is lucifer crying we said he was not conscious uh we said he was just a building why is he crying um this has to do with the idea that all beings aspire to be with god okay the closer you are to god the happier you are the further away from god the the uh unhappier you are and lucifer because of his betrayal he is now permanently away from god and that's why he cries uh he'll cry ### 2:00:20 seg-0304 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0304` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0304](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0304) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7220s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7220s) for all eternity also remember in no limbo is a really nice retirement community it's just like earth a very nice um italy they're all sighing because they can never be with god okay so that's why lucifer is crying that doesn't actually mean he's conscious um but it just means that uh he's sad uh he has the eternal unhappiness because he is forever away from god some question that we discussed this morning that needs to be clarified is why did satan rebel okay and i said something really incorrect this morning which is like angels do not have free will in fact they do have free will but they have perfect free will which means they have perfect obedience to god like once you reach perfection free will is perfect obedience and that's what oxen says in the city of god so imagine a situation where in the beginning uh there were the angels and um this ### 2:01:20 seg-0305 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0305` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0305](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0305) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7280s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7280s) is before god created us and the angels they have free will and some chose to rebel like lucifer and some chose side with god and created the war in heaven right uh and uh that's something that milton writes about in paradise lost but there's this war in heaven and those who started with lucifer they're cast into hell and those who stayed with god um stayed in heaven and because they chose god uh they forever will look towards him and can never look away from him because they already made that choice and as such uh heaven is able to reach perfection okay and this state of affairs also foretells our fate where remember there's a day of judgment and the day of judgment is do you choose god or to choose satan those who change to satan will be forever punished in hell and those who chose um um god will create heaven on heaven on ### 2:02:22 seg-0306 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0306` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0306](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0306) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7342s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7342s) earth okay it will literally be heaven coming on earth so that's the idea of um why satan rebelled he what he had free will and he chose to rebel uh because of his pride he wanted to be like god just as like how adam and eve ate the food in order to be like god and um this caused a war in heaven and after this war um uh heaven became perfect because everyone became completely loyal to god and satan lived or no one of them was able to go to any other land now repentance was un Salem was revealed and the world became accustomed to it and it's just like um um We don't have to go back yet. But in Kennel 30, remember, there's this argument, this fight, and it broke out between Sinon and Master Adam. Master Adam is a counterfeiter. And they're trying to argue who's worse, okay? ### 2:03:37 seg-0307 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0307` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0307](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0307) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7417s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7417s) Master Adam is a counterfeiter who basically diluted gold to make florins. Florins is the currency of florins. And at this point in history, it is the most valuable currency, the most credible currency in the world because it's pure gold. And so when Master Adam, he dilutes the florins, the florins is burning by the stake, okay? That's how seriously they took it. Sinon is the Greek soldier who tricked the Trojans into lending him the Trojan horse, okay? And we're going to read the, the speech by Sinon to the Trojans that convinced them to let in the Trojan horse. And they're trying to argue who's worse, the perjurer who is Sinon, the false witness, or the counterfeiter, Master Adam. And we have to think about why this fight is happening. Remember, whenever Donny creates a paradox, the goal is to make us think much deeper about the underlying message, the underlying text. Okay? So first thing we're going to do is we're going to go and read the Inead. ### 2:04:56 seg-0308 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0308` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0308](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0308) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7496s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7496s) And this is book two, where Ineas is recounting the fall of Troy. And so if you know the history, what happens is the Greeks try for 10 years to breach the walls of Troy. They can't do it. So like, okay, we're kind of stuck. And so Ulysses proposes the Trojan horse. And so they pretend to run away. The Greeks pretend, pretend, pretend to run away and they leave behind a Trojan horse. And of course, inside the Trojan horse are Ulysses, Achilles, Achilles, all the great Greek champions. It's a trap, right? And the Trojans have the debate about what to do with the horse. And everyone's like, well, obviously this is a trap. Let's just like burn it, man. And then what, what turns the tide is Sinon, the Greek soldier comes in and he tricks the, uh, Trojans. Okay. So we're, we're, we're just, we'll read up, ### 2:05:55 seg-0309 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0309` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0309](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0309) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7555s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7555s) um, you know, about a couple hundred lines, but, but I just want to get you, get you a feel of what's going on. Okay. All right. ### 2:06:01 seg-0310 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0310` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0310](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0310) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7561s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7561s) Can you please suddenly in the thick of it all, a young soldier hand shackled behind his back with much shouting Trojan shepherds were hailing him toward the king. They'd come on the man by chance, a total stranger. He'd given himself up with one goal in mind to open Troy to the Greeks and lay her waste. He trusted to come. Courage nerd for either end to weave his lies or face his certain death. Young Trojans recruits keen to have a look, came scurrying up from all sides, crowding round, outdoing each other to make a mockery of the captive. Now here, the treachery of the Greeks and learn from a single crime, the nature of the beast haggard, helpless there in our midst. He stood all eyes riveted on him now and turning a wary glance at the lines of Trojan troops. He groaned and spoke, where can I find some, some refuge where on land on ### 2:06:56 seg-0311 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0311` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0311](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0311) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7616s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7616s) sea what's left for me, a man of so much misery, nothing among the Greeks, no place at all. And worse, I see my Trojan enemies crying for my blood has groans. Convinced me cutting all our show of violence short. We press him. Tell us where you were born, your family. What news do you bring? Tell us what you trust to such a willing captive. Okay. ### 2:07:18 seg-0312 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0312` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0312](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0312) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7638s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7638s) So this morning we talked about Satan, right? How, if Donnie were to meet Satan and Satan would, would with poetry with lyrical poetry, tempt him. And the first thing that's in would do is elicit his sympathy, right? And that's exactly what's seen on is doing here. Keep on going. ### 2:07:38 seg-0313 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0313` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0313](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0313) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7658s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7658s) All of it. My King, I'll tell you come what may the whole true story. Greek. I am. I don't deny it. Now that first fortune may have made me a man of misery, but wicked as she is, she can't make some seen on a lying fraud as well. Now, perhaps you've caught some rumor. I've calamities Bellis his son and his shining fame that rings in song. The Greeks charged him with treason, a trumped up charge and innocent man. And just because he posed the war, they put him to death. But once he's robbed of the light, they mourn him sorely. Now I was his blood kin, a youngster. When my father, a poor man sent me off to the war at choice at Palomitas as Palomitas, his comrade, long as he kept his Royal status holding forth in the councils of the Kings. I had some standing, too some pride of place, but once he ### 2:08:28 seg-0314 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0314` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0314](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0314) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7708s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7708s) left the land of the living, thanks to the jealous forked tongue of our Ulysses, you're no stranger to his story. I was shattered. I dragged out of my life at my, I dropped out my life in the shadows, grieving, seething alone in silence, outraged by my innocent friends, demise until I burst out like a madman swore. If I ever returned and triumph to our native Argos ever got the chance, I take revenge. And my oath provoked a storm of hatred. That was my first step on the slippery road to ruin. From then on Ulysses kept tormenting me, pressing charge on charge. From then on he brooded about this two edged rumors among the rank and file driven by guilt. He looked for ways to kill me. He never rested until making calculus his henchmen, but why now? Like go over that and giving ground again and stop. ### 2:09:23 seg-0315 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0315` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0315](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0315) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7763s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7763s) Okay. Right. So this is a very long speech. But the idea is with his poetry, he's able to elicit sympathy and that convinced the Trojans to let in the Trojan horse, even though the common sense tells them we shouldn't actually take gifts from strangers. Okay. Like we, we shouldn't actually let this thing in. We don't know what it is. And that's really the power of poetry. Okay. So that's sign on. And that's why he's condemned to hell because he hijacked people's imagination in order to feed them a false narrative. That destroyed their city. Okay. Now we're going to canto 30 and I want to reread the argument between master Adam, the counterfeiter and sign on. Okay. So this is line 91, canto 30, infernal, uh, line 91. Okay. And this is after master Adam told Dante his story of how he engaged in counterfeiting. And so the Florentine burner with a stake and I, ### 2:10:27 seg-0316 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0316` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0316](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0316) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7827s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7827s) to him, for those shoe, poor, poor sinners who give off smoke, like wet hands in the, winter and lie so close to you upon the right. I found them here. He answered when I rained down to this rocky slope, they've not stirred since and will not move. I think eternally one is the line woman who blamed Joseph, the other lines seen on Greek from Troy because of raging fever. They reek. So, and one of them who seemed to take offense, perhaps at being named so squalidly struck with his fist at Adam's rigid belly. Okay. ### 2:11:00 seg-0317 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0317` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0317](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0317) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7860s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7860s) So I thought, I was just asking, Adam, who are these other two people being punished here? And Adam's like, well, and so he names them and one of them sign on who for all eternity has not stirred. He just, just lies there in a raging favor that fever, that's his punishment. He hears his name. He gets really angry and he takes, takes offense and punches Adam. Okay. Keep on going. ### 2:11:25 seg-0318 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0318` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0318](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0318) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7885s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7885s) It sounded as if it had been a drum and master Adam struck him in the face using his arm, which did not seem less hard saying to him, although I cannot move my limbs because they're too, too heavy. I still have an arm that's free to serve that need. And he replied, but when you went to burning, your arm was not as quick as it was now, though, when you coined, it was as quick as more. ### 2:11:47 seg-0319 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0319` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0319](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0319) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7907s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7907s) So now they're just insulting each other. Okay. ### 2:11:50 seg-0320 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0320` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0320](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0320) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7910s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7910s) I keep on going to which the drop seed one here, you speak true, but you were not so true witness there when you were asked to tell the truth at Troy. If I spoke false, false, you falsified the coin that seen on I'm here for just one crime, but you've, you've committed more than any demon. ### 2:12:09 seg-0321 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0321` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0321](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0321) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7929s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7929s) So sometimes like, well, I spoke false, but you falsified the corn, right? And in most countries in every country, you would get punished a lot more for counterfeiting than you would for lying. Right? In fact, um, I, I, I think the worst punishment is counterfeiting, right? Oh, sorry. The worst crime is counterfeiting, right? Um, what does a single service do in the United States? It, it looks for counterfeiters. Okay. It's a very serious thing. And when Isaac Newton was head of the mint in, in the UK, in the, in England, if he caught, if he caught you kind of fitting, he would like basically, uh, torture you to death. Okay. It's a very serious thing. And so it sounds like just pointing this out, putting this out. Like you folks on the coins a lot worse than what I did. All I did was just lie. All right. Uh, keep on going, ### 2:13:00 seg-0322 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0322` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0322](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0322) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7980s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7980s) not forget the horse. Your perjurer replied. The one who had the bloated that Valley may you be plagued because the whole world knows it. ### 2:13:08 seg-0323 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0323` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0323](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0323) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7988s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=7988s) And what I'm says is that for your lie, you let the Trojans letting the Trojan horse and that destroy the Trojan civilization. Okay. Uh, so the consequences were much worse. ### 2:13:22 seg-0324 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0324` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0324](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0324) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8002s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8002s) And you'd be plagued by thirst, that cracks your tongue and putrid water that has made your belly such a hedge before your eyes. And then the corner. So as usual, your mouth, because of racking fever gapes for, if I thirst, and if my humor blows me, you have both dryness and a head that aches few words would be sufficient invitation. She have you like the mirror of narcissists. I was intent on listening to them when this was what my master said. If you insist on looking more, I'll quarrel with you. And when I heard him speak so angrily, I turned around to him with shame. So great that it's still stirs within my memory. ### 2:13:58 seg-0325 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0325` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0325](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0325) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8038s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8038s) Okay. So what is strange about this? What's going on? What, what stands out about this story about this passage? What does Virgil do here that he's never done before? And he'll never do it. Yeah. ### 2:14:13 seg-0326 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0326` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0326](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0326) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8053s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8053s) And actually he's stopping the conversation. He's stopping Dante from digging deeper. ### 2:14:20 seg-0327 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0327` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0327](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0327) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8060s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8060s) Okay. But he's done that before, right? He switched topics. He's but, but here he's, he's doing something that he's never done before. And he'll never do it again. ### 2:14:31 seg-0328 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0328` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0328](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0328) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8071s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8071s) He threatened Dante. ### 2:14:33 seg-0329 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0329` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0329](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0329) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8073s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8073s) He's angry with Dante, right? He's never done that before. Okay. So what's he angry about? Why is he angry? All right. So the paradox is this, okay. Virgil is angry at Dante because. Dante is watching a fight between master Adam and Sinon, right? And, and master Adam and Sinon arguing who's worse. Master Adam says, son says you kind of fit at the coin. So you're worse. And then what should master Adam's response be? You kind of, the kind of the coin that's pretty bad, but there's something actually worse than counterfeiting the coin, which is what? ### 2:15:26 seg-0330 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0330` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0330](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0330) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8126s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8126s) Yes. Counterfeiting a gift in the sense that it's a it's a poisoned gift. ### 2:15:35 seg-0331 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0331` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0331](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0331) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8135s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8135s) That's interesting. What's the worst thing you can do in university plagiarism, right? Plagiarism is a lot worse than counterfeiting the coin, right? If you're at university and you started to counterfeit money, yeah, they might put you in prison, but you plagiarized you would be falling out of university forever. But so what is Sinon plagiarizing? Do you guys know? ### 2:16:06 seg-0332 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0332` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0332](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0332) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8166s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8166s) Is it something that somebody says in the Bible? That you read the in the app, right? What is that plagiarizing? I can't remember. I'm sorry. You guys don't learn this at school. It was just for Latin translation. So, okay, so you've got parts of it. The major parts. Yeah. ### 2:16:24 seg-0333 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0333` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0333](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0333) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8184s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8184s) But what does plagiarizing mean? Oh, ### 2:16:28 seg-0334 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0334` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0334](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0334) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8188s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8188s) plagiarism means to steal ideas, mother people and pretend it's your own. ### 2:16:34 seg-0335 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0335` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0335](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0335) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8194s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8194s) Well, he's though poetry, maybe from who Virgil and Homer. ### 2:16:41 seg-0336 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0336` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0336](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0336) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8201s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8201s) Yeah. So Virgil stole from Homer, right? The Iliad stole from the Iliad and the Odyssey, and it corrupted the Iliad in the Odyssey, much the way that a counterfeiter corrupts coin, right? You understand a counterfeiter takes real gold, dilutes it, add some lead and pretend it's real gold. A, what Virgil did was he stole from the Iliad in the Odyssey, polluted it and pretend it's real poetry. Do you understand? Okay. So, so this is drawing attention to the fact that basically Virgil plagiarized Homer and this, and this is why Virgil is angry because what, what does a plagiarizer hate the most to me being found out, right? Being accused of plagiarism, right? Um, and so Virgil's very, very angry. What's the paradox here? Excuse me. ### 2:17:47 seg-0337 - Speaker: SPEAKER_11 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0337` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0337](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0337) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8267s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8267s) Is it that he's the guy? Yeah. ### 2:17:49 seg-0338 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0338` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0338](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0338) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8269s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8269s) Like why is sign on burning here and versus, okay. Right. Because it's Virgil who create the character sign on and allow sign on to lie. It's not sign on. That's a problem. It's the Ineos. That's a problem. Okay. Does that make sense? Yes. ### 2:18:11 seg-0339 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0339` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0339](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0339) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8291s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8291s) Like before he died, he was like, please burn all this stuff. That means that his consciousness knows that what he did was wrong. So he sort of repented before he died. ### 2:18:19 seg-0340 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0340` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0340](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0340) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8299s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8299s) Yeah. But if he repented, then where should he be? ### 2:18:22 seg-0341 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0341` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0341](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0341) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8302s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8302s) Uh, heaven? No, ### 2:18:24 seg-0342 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0342` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0342](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0342) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8304s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8304s) actually. Nimble, ### 2:18:25 seg-0343 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0343` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0343](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0343) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8305s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8305s) but which he is, but no, ### 2:18:27 seg-0344 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0344` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0344](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0344) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8307s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8307s) no, he should be in purgatory. Oh, ### 2:18:29 seg-0345 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0345` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0345](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0345) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8309s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8309s) purgatory. Yeah. ### 2:18:29 seg-0346 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0346` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0346](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0346) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8309s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8309s) Yeah. Okay. So that's not the answer. Okay. It's possible, right? But again, this is raising a paradox, which is like, why is sign on here when the real culprit Virgil, the plagiarist, he's walking free around hell. He's able to control hell. He's able to, to decide that Cassius and Brutus will be tortured by Lucifer. Well, yes. ### 2:19:01 seg-0347 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0347` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0347](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0347) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8341s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8341s) Well, I think because sign on actually believes that he did something wrong and Virgil believes that he did nothing wrong when he stole. So I think Virgil already forgave himself for what he did, but sign on can forgive himself for what he did to the, to the Trojans. ### 2:19:19 seg-0348 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0348` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0348](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0348) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8359s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8359s) Okay. That's interesting. Okay. Yeah. Does sign on think he did anything wrong? He knows he lied, but he, did he do anything wrong? ### 2:19:37 seg-0349 - Speaker: SPEAKER_11 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0349` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0349](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0349) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8377s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8377s) Is it that Virgil admits that he did plagiarism by being angry at being accused of plagiarism? Well, ### 2:19:44 seg-0350 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0350` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0350](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0350) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8384s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8384s) he's angry because he doesn't want to admit it. Right. Okay. So again, this could all, this creates all these paradoxes here. And so I want, I want you guys to keep this at the back of your mind. Why is it that Virgil is not, he's not punished at all for his crimes and why is hell structured the way it is? Yes. ### 2:20:11 seg-0351 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0351` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0351](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0351) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8411s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8411s) But if Virgil is basically like Lucifer, then his main aim is to deceive Dante. So therefore he can't in front of Dante being seen to be punished for his sins. ### 2:20:25 seg-0352 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0352` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0352](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0352) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8425s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8425s) Uh, but I don't understand this. His main aim is to deceive Dante to tempt Dante. I understand that, but why would it be allowed to do that? Okay. Uh, yes. ### 2:20:37 seg-0353 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0353` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0353](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0353) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8437s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8437s) I think that he's made the master of hell. And one of the key things of the Aeneid was about duty and the killing of Tarnas. And I was thinking about this, why it's such a beautiful thing that Virgil is the guide and master of hell that many, many people who sin do so because they feel forced by themselves. And so Virgil is not being punished, but his punishment is that he has to guide everybody around because it's the very force that the Aeneid put into people's hearts that made them sin in years to come. ### 2:21:12 seg-0354 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0354` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0354](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0354) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8472s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8472s) Um, okay. That's interesting. But, but, uh, the fact is that Virgil is not, not the guide of hell. He's got the guy to Dante. He was appointed by Beatrice to be the guide, but he's usually in limbo. Okay. But he can want around hell. He's very, he knows how very well, right? If he's able to climb, uh, Lucifer, then he knows hell like the back of his hand. So, but, but, but again, these are all paradoxes. And as we go into, uh, purgatory, the answers will be revealed to us. Okay. All right. So this is purgatory. ### 2:21:42 seg-0355 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0355` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0355](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0355) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8502s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8502s) One purgatory cantle one, the course across more kindly waters. Now, my talents, little vessel lifts her sails, leaving behind herself a sea. So cool. And what I sing will be that second kingdom in which the human soul is cleansed of sin, becoming worthy of ascent to heaven. But here, since I am yours, Oh, holy muses made this poem rise again from hell's dead realm and make hell. Yeah. I hope he rise somewhat here accompanying my singing with that music whose power struck the poor priorities so forcefully that they despaired of pardon the gentle hue of oriental Sapphire in which the sky serenity was steeped. It's aspect is aspect pure as far as the horizon. Okay. ### 2:22:40 seg-0356 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0356` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0356](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0356) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8560s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8560s) So let me test your memory. Okay. So again, there's parallels, parallelism, I symmetry in the mind comedy. Um, here he's saying, I want, I now want to write about purgatory. I now sing about purgatory. So muses come and give me inspiration. Okay. In paradise. When he was running about the heavens, who did he call to inspire him? Apollo and the muses. Okay. Do you understand? So he's saying here purgatory, uh, the muses inspire me, but in heaven, I need everyone. I'll follow the muses. Everyone to fully inspire me. Okay. I keep on going. ### 2:23:25 seg-0357 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0357` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0357](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0357) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8605s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8605s) Line 16 brought back my joy and seeing justice noon, as I had left behind, the air of death that had afflicted both my sight and breast, the lovely planet that is patron is of love made all the Eastern heavens. Glad veiling the Pisces in the train. She led. Then I turned to the right setting my mind upon the other pole and saw four stars not seen before, except by the first people haven't appeared to revel in their flames. Oh, Northern hemisphere, because you were denied that site. You're a widower. After my eyes took leave of those four stars, turning a little toward the other pole from which the Wayne had disappeared. By now I saw a solitary patriarch near me, his aspect worthy of such reverence that even son to father owes no more. His beard was long and mixed with white as where the hairs upon his head and his hair spread down to his chest and a divided trust. ### 2:24:20 seg-0358 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0358` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0358](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0358) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8660s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8660s) The rays of the four holy stars. So framed his face with light that in my sight, he seemed like one who's confronted by the sun. ### 2:24:27 seg-0359 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0359` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0359](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0359) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8667s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8667s) Okay, stop. Okay. So the solitary patriarch, he is the master purgatory and his name is Kato. Can someone tell me why having Kato as a master purgatory is such a paradox? ### 2:24:41 seg-0360 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0360` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0360](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0360) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8681s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8681s) Yes, because he was born before the time of Jesus. So he should be in limbo. Exactly. Okay. ### 2:24:47 seg-0361 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0361` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0361](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0361) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8687s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8687s) Number one is he is not a Christian. He is not a Christian. Virgil told us explicitly that unless you are baptized, you cannot leave limbo. Uh, yes, ### 2:25:02 seg-0362 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0362` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0362](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0362) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8702s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8702s) I think if my memory serves historically, that Kato was seen to be somebody who was so talented that whenever he did anything, it was like he had done it from birth, like, like he knew how to do it from birth. So for him to be the master of purgatory, that you live, and then this is your journey to heaven. It's ironic because he seemed to have grasped everything very quickly in his life. ### 2:25:25 seg-0363 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0363` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0363](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0363) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8725s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8725s) Okay, sure. Okay. But, but, but, but that's not necessarily a paradox. Like the fact that he, that he is not a Christian, that's a paradox, but there are some other paradoxes as well. Why should Kato not be in purgatory? In fact, he should be infernal. Why? ### 2:25:46 seg-0364 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0364` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0364](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0364) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8746s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8746s) Was he amongst the people who killed Caesar? No, ### 2:25:51 seg-0365 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0365` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0365](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0365) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8751s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8751s) but he rebelled against Caesar, right? He rebelled against Caesar. He was on the side of Pompeii. Um, so if I'm trying to figure this out, if Julius Caesar is in limbo, and if the people who killed Julius Caesar, uh, Brutus and Cassius are the worst people in the world, and Kato fought against Caesar, why is Caesar master of purgatory? Okay. That's, that's another paradox. And there's one more paradox. And it's actually the most, this is actually the biggest paradox. How did he die? Suicide, right? Suicide. In Catholic theology at this time, suicide goes straight to hell. No questions, no doubts straight to hell guys. Okay. So we have three axes against Kato. He's not a Christian. He rebelled against Caesar and he killed himself. Okay. So he should be in a circle of violence with the other people who committed suicide. He should be a tree. And now he's master of purgatory. So something is really weird going on. ### 2:27:04 seg-0366 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0366` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0366](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0366) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8824s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8824s) Okay. Uh, yes. ### 2:27:06 seg-0367 - Speaker: SPEAKER_11 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0367` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0367](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0367) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8826s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8826s) I'm not sure how he, why he committed suicide. But I would guess it's because of his honor for, um, whatever, um, the side that he served for, for Pompey. ### 2:27:16 seg-0368 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0368` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0368](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0368) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8836s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8836s) I would guess maybe he committed suicide because his side was losing and Caesar was offering clemency to everyone. Right. And so what was going to happen is Caesar would have come to Kato and says, Kato, I forgive you. And will you please be a Senator? And Kato was like, I don't want this crap. I'm going to kill myself because that's the honorable thing to do. Right. He did not want to give student Caesar the opportunity to show clemency. So that's pretty bad. I mean, to kill yourself for this, like, like it's kind of petty really. Right. All right. Um, so that's Kato and Kato and Virgil knew each other. Right. They are contemporaries. So Virgil and Dante are not in purgatory. Kato comes up and he sees Virgil. How should he react? I mean, how would you react if you saw someone from like a previous life? Yeah. You'd be pretty happy, right? ### 2:28:29 seg-0369 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0369` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0369](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0369) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8909s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8909s) You'd be pretty happy. Like a childhood best friend who you haven't seen for like 40 years. You're like, Oh my God, I run into you in the streets of Rome. Let's chat. Let's get a coffee. Let's reminisce. Right. ### 2:28:41 seg-0370 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0370` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0370](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0370) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8921s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8921s) Yes. Is this a suspicion that Virgil put Kato there in some way, or that he was responsible for Kato being killed? In purgatory. ### 2:28:50 seg-0371 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0371` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0371](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0371) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8930s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8930s) In purgatory. Okay. Because Virgil, where's Virgil? ### 2:28:57 seg-0372 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0372` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0372](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0372) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8937s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8937s) At this moment or in general? In general. In limbo. ### 2:29:00 seg-0373 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0373` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0373](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0373) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8940s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8940s) In limbo. ### 2:29:00 seg-0374 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0374` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0374](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0374) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8940s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8940s) In limbo. ### 2:29:01 seg-0375 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0375` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0375](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0375) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8941s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8941s) Right. And why is he in limbo? Because he was brought up there as by. There's, there's only one reason why he, he he's in limbo according to, to, to Virgil. He's not a Christian, right? He was not baptized as a Christian. That's the only reason, right? So it doesn't make any sense why he would, uh, tell us this and then put Kato in purgatory. Okay. All right. So yeah, we would imagine that Virgil and Kato are good friends and it would be a happy reunion. Okay. Uh, let's keep on reading. ### 2:29:37 seg-0376 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0376` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0376](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0376) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8977s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=8977s) Line 40. Who are you? Who against the hidden river were able to escape the eternal prison? He said, moving those venerable plumes. Who was your guide? What served you both as lantern? When from the deep night that will always keep the hellish valley dark, you were set free. The lost of the abyss. Have they been broken? Or has a new, a changed decree in heaven let you though damned approach my rocky slope? ### 2:30:03 seg-0377 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0377` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0377](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0377) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9003s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9003s) There's a really ironic sentence here. What is it? What's the really ironic sentence in the speech? It's really ironic. Nope. Where should Kato be? He should be in Limbo at least, right? So, so what does he say that that's kind of ironic? It's like, uh, what? That he knows what hell is like? No, no. I'm saying like, what did he say in the speech? That's ironic. Well, you're able to escape. Yeah. Like, how did you get here? It's like, well, okay, Kato, but how did you get here? Right? That's kind of ironic. All right. How are you able to escape the eternal prison? The eternal prison is like, no one can escape it, but he did. All right. So it's ironic. All right. Uh, keep on going. ### 2:31:13 seg-0378 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0378` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0378](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0378) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9073s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9073s) Line 49. My guide took hold of me decisively by way of words and hands and other signs. He made my knees and brow show reverence. Then he replied, I do not come through my own self. There was a lady sent from heaven. Her, please let me to help and guide this man. But since your will would have a far more full and accurate account of our condition, my will cannot withhold what you request. This man had yet to see his final evening, but through his folly, little time was left before he left. He did. He was so close to it. As I have told you, I was sent to him for his deliverance. The only rule road I could have taken was the road I took. I showed him all the people of perdition. Now I intend to show to him those spirits who in your care are bent on expiation. To tell you how I led him would take, take long. ### 2:32:03 seg-0379 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0379` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0379](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0379) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9123s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9123s) It is a power descending from above that helps me guide him here to see and hear you. Now, may it please you to prove his coming. He goes in search of Liberty. So precious. As he, as he gives his life for it, let's know. You know it, who in Utica found death for freedom was not bitter when you left the garb that will be bright on the great day. Okay. ### 2:32:23 seg-0380 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0380` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0380](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0380) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9143s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9143s) So he's referencing, Virgil is referencing how Cato killed himself in Utica rather than submit to Caesar. Okay. All right. Keep on going. ### 2:32:36 seg-0381 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0381` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0381](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0381) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9156s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9156s) Line 76. Eternal edicts are not broken for us. This man's alive and I'm not bound by Minos, but I'm from the circle where the chaste eyes of your Marsha are. And she still prays to you, a holy breast to keep her as your own for her love, then inclined to us. I'll let, allow our journey through your seven realms. I shall thank her for kindness. You bestow. If you would let your name be named below. ### 2:33:00 seg-0382 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0382` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0382](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0382) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9180s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9180s) Okay. So, um, Virgil is telling, uh, Cato, uh, why they're, they're, they're here. And Virgil explains that Dante is not dead so he can move around. And he, he, he was not, never sentenced to the inner circles of hell. So he's free to move around. And also Cato, hey, uh, your wife, Marcia, she's with me. And if you help us, then I'll go back and help Marcia. Okay. Does it sound like friends to you? All right. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, In between here. Okay. ### 2:33:42 seg-0383 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0383` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0383](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0383) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9222s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9222s) nine, eighty -five while I was there within the other world, Marcia, so pleased my eyes. He then replied each kindness she required I satisfied. Okay, ### 2:33:54 seg-0384 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0384` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0384](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0384) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9234s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9234s) so he's saying before he was in limbo. K, right before I was in limbo with Marcia. Can I going now, ### 2:34:06 seg-0385 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0385` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0385](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0385) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9246s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9246s) not that she dwells beyond the evil river. She has no power to move me any longer. As such with the laira creed when I was freed, but if a lady comes and". from heaven speeds and helps you as you say there's no need of flattery it is enough indeed to ask me for her sake go then but first wind a smooth rush around his waist and bathe his face to wash away all of hell's stains for it would not be seemly to approach with eyes still dimmed by any myths the first custodian angel one from paradise this solitary island all around its very base there where the breakers pound bears rushes on a soft and muddy ground there's no other plant that lives below no plant with leaves or plant that as it grows hardens and breaks beneath the waves harsh blows that done do not return by this same past the sun which rises ### 2:34:56 seg-0386 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0386` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0386](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0386) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9296s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9296s) now will show you how this hillside can be climbed more easily so um virgil says ### 2:35:05 seg-0387 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0387` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0387](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0387) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9305s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9305s) how does kato respond to virgil's speech anyone rather sarcastic ### 2:35:19 seg-0388 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0388` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0388](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0388) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9319s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9319s) or does he like does he like he hates virgil he's like don't mention marcia to me you ### 2:35:26 seg-0389 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0389` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0389](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0389) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9326s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9326s) okay i want to help you because beatrice uh told me to but that's why not because uh you can help marcia okay so they're they're like enemies they don't really like each other and this makes you question who virgil really is right what is kato not like ### 2:35:50 seg-0390 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0390` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0390](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0390) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9350s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9350s) um virgil yes um in in line 95 96 he he tells him um that his face and his body should be washed of hell basically so he he knows that virgil is hell itself or like he he has so much so many like ### 2:36:14 seg-0391 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0391` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0391](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0391) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9374s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9374s) yeah this is a really really interesting reading right so literally just means dante has been through hell and his face is dirty right because hell is like lots of dirt and fire so go wash your face because this is purgatory but you can also say that it's metaphorical in that um virgil has corrupted dante in this journey by feeding him a lot of lies about um about hell so what's important is for dante to begin to cleanse himself of virgil's lies okay right to remove virgil's influence from himself yeah that that's very interesting reading yes ### 2:36:56 seg-0392 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0392` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0392](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0392) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9416s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9416s) okay all right uh let's let's keep on reading 109 with that he vanished and without a word i wrote and drew in closer to my guide and it was on him that i set my eyes and he began son following my step let us go back this is the point at which the plane slopes down to reach its lowest bounds daybreak was vanquishing the dark last hour which fled before it in the distance i could recognize the trembling of the sea we made our way across the lonely plane like one returning to a lost pathway who till he finds it seems to move in vain when we had reached the point where dew contends the sun and undersea winds and the shade wins out because it won't evaporate my master gently placed both of his hands outspread upon the grass therefore aware of what his gesture and intention were i reached and offered him my ### 2:37:51 seg-0393 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0393` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0393](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0393) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9471s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9471s) tear strained cheeks and on my cheeks he totally revealed the color that inferno had concealed then we arrived at the deserted shore which never yet had seen its waters coursed by any man who journeyed back again there just as pleased another he girt me oh wonder where he plucked the humble plant that he had chosen there that plant sprang up again identical immediately okay so we are um in the beaches ### 2:38:19 seg-0394 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0394` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0394](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0394) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9499s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9499s) of purgatory okay so purgatory is a mountain in order to cleanse yourself you climb up this mountain in each terrace of the mountain you have to do an activity to cleanse yourself of the seven um deadly sins um but we are not on the mountain yet we are outside the mountain on the beaches this is a place called anti -purgatory which is people who uh repentant late in life and so they must wait and fully uh serve their penance before they're allowed to enter purgatory once they enter purgatory and they cleanse themselves then they are able to ascend to heaven yes so is there a sense of time in purgatory uh that's a really good question um so what dante is gonna do a lot is talk about the sun rise okay and um one thing that's really important to us to keep in mind is that the rules governing purgatory are different from the ### 2:39:18 seg-0395 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0395` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0395](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0395) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9558s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9558s) rules governing hell hell is like eternal torment there's no time it's all just fire and darkness but in purgatory's there's night and day and you can only climb during the day at night you have to rest and this will be very important for us because during the night you dream right um so the dreams are gonna be very uh important as well okay so there's time but i don't i don't but like i don't know how to tell time because a lot of this is astronomy right reading the stars figure out where the sun is and i i actually don't know how that works okay because you say that the the mind creates ### 2:39:56 seg-0396 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0396` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0396](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0396) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9596s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9596s) time and space to just uh to um see reality or like to percept reality right did we create time and purgatory to accept purgatory or like this time out of ourselves in that sense okay this is ### 2:40:16 seg-0397 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0397` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0397](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0397) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9616s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9616s) a really interesting question because one very important idea in purgatory is that you have to start learning your own knowledge if you're going to learn something new you're going to have to serve your time right it could be a million years and it could be a thousand years and so i think the idea of time in purgatory is it's not physical time right it's not like you know you actually uh keep a clock and you wait 10 000 years it's really about emotional time so basically it's like you're meditating and you made you're meditating and trying to cleanse your soul and um it doesn't we don't actually know physically how much time it takes okay but there there is a time element to it does that make sense okay so so um um i really don't understand time out well in purgatory okay all right uh let's let's keep on reading canto two ### 2:41:18 seg-0398 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0398` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0398](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0398) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9678s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9678s) you by now the sun was crossing the horizon of the meridian whose highest point covered jerusalem and from the ganges night circling opposite the sun was moving together with the scales that when the length of dark defeats the day desert night's hand so that above the shore that i had reached the fair auroras white and scarlet cheeks were as aurora aged becoming orange we still were by the sea like those who think about the journey they will undertake who go in heart but in the body stay and just as the sun was crossing the horizon of the meridian whose highest point covered it as Mars when it is overcome by the invading mists of dawn, glows red above the water's plain, low in the west, so there appeared to me, and may I see it again, a light that crossed the sea. So swift, there's no flight of bird to equal it. When for a ### 2:42:06 seg-0399 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0399` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0399](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0399) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9726s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9726s) moment I'd withdrawn my eyes that I might ask the question of my guide, I saw that light again, larger and more bright. ### 2:42:12 seg-0400 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0400` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0400](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0400) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9732s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9732s) Okay, so to continue your question, clearly there's time here, right? And there was no time in hell. So we discussed how we create time and space with our imagination. So I think the idea here is that in hell, we're just trapped in hell. There is no time and space because we're just trapped there. Whereas in purgatory, there's now motion, meaning there is now free will, meaning there is now agency. There's more, you can now actively participate in life. Does that make sense? ### 2:42:56 seg-0401 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0401` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0401](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0401) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9776s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9776s) Yeah, but Kato was in hell before, right? So how did he escape without a free will if you say there's no free will in hell? ### 2:43:09 seg-0402 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0402` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0402](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0402) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9789s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9789s) Yeah, that is a paradox, okay? And here we will just have to use our imagination. Does anyone know how we can resolve this paradox? ### 2:43:27 seg-0403 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0403` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0403](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0403) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9807s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9807s) Yes? My memory is quite hazy, but I thought that maybe it was Jesus or some redeeming force who is shunting people up, shunted the very best souls up from inferno and that they didn't make it to heaven, but then they were either in limbo or therefore in purgatory. ### 2:43:46 seg-0404 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0404` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0404](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0404) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9826s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9826s) Exactly, yeah. So what we know is that Jesus did take away with him the best souls. But the people he took were like of the Hebrew Bible, right? David, Abraham, Moses. What is Kato doing with them? Okay, so this is hard, okay? But one possible solution is this. So what we learn in paradise is that there are certain people who were born before the time of Jesus. And even though they were not officially Christian and that they were baptized, they were Christian at their heart was in the right place, okay? And they knew that Jesus was coming and so they prepared for the coming of Jesus, even though they did not see Jesus in their lifetime. Does that make sense? And Kato must have been one of these individuals who knew Jesus was coming and he submitted himself before Jesus, even though, and he didn't live long enough for the coming of Jesus. And when ### 2:44:56 seg-0405 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0405` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0405](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0405) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9896s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9896s) Jesus went down to hell, he could see that Kato, even though he was not officially Christian, he was in his heart Christian, okay? Does that make sense, guys? Yes? ### 2:45:13 seg-0406 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0406` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0406](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0406) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9913s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9913s) With the Catholic doctrine as well. That's why Catholic is very well embracing, not really, but I don't know if it's the right word, but yeah, of the people who fundamentally in essence has these doctrines or, you know, live out the life of faith, however you define faith. But yeah. Yeah. ### 2:45:33 seg-0407 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0407` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0407](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0407) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9933s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9933s) Later on, we will discover people who are actually like that, okay? They did not convert to Christianity in their lifetime, but in their hearts, they were Christian, okay? Uh, before Jesus came, they were already Christian and that's why they were able to ascend to purgatory as well as to paradise, okay? We'll learn more about this later on, right? Uh, yes? ### 2:45:55 seg-0408 - Speaker: SPEAKER_10 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0408` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0408](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0408) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9955s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9955s) Yeah. So, but I have a question because as you said, only your heart is not enough for you to go to the heaven, but you have to baptize, right? Or? ### 2:46:03 seg-0409 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0409` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0409](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0409) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9963s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9963s) Yeah, but that's what they're saying here. It's not the act that matters. It's the heart that matters. It's the will and the desire that matters. Okay. Um, okay. Yes. ### 2:46:15 seg-0410 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0410` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0410](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0410) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9975s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=9975s) Jesus also said that greater is the he who has faith before he has seen it. So it's a lot of these people before he was born sort of believed in him or believe in some sort of this idea of redemption on Messiah, then they have greater faith to the disciples like Peter or John, who has seen them put their hands through Jesus, Peter's hands, uh, that, you know, these forefathers, whoever they are in the, uh, yeah, deserves. ### 2:46:40 seg-0411 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0411` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0411](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0411) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10000s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10000s) Yes. Okay. So that, that's a logic. Okay. I, again, we'll never know. It's just, it's a paradox created, uh, by the divine comedy, but this is one way to resolve this paradox. All right. Okay. ### 2:46:54 seg-0412 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0412` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0412](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0412) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10014s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10014s) Line 22, then to each side of it, I saw whiteness though. I did not know what the whiteness was below another whiteness. Lily showed my master did not say a word before the whiteness. His first scene appeared as wings, but then when he had recognized the helmsman, he cried, Ben, bend your knees, behold the angel of God and join your hands from this point on. This is the kind of minister you'll meet. ### 2:47:18 seg-0413 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0413` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0413](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0413) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10038s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10038s) Okay. So it's, this is angels that are guardians of purgatory. Okay. Before in hell, there was these demons. Now they're these angels. So at each major checkpoint, there are these angels. Uh, keep on going. ### 2:47:31 seg-0414 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0414` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0414](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0414) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10051s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10051s) Line 31, see how much scoring he has for human means. He'd have. He'd have no other sale than his own wings and use no, or between such distance shores, see how he holds his wings, pointing to heaven, piercing the air with his eternal opinions, which do not change as mortal plumage does then he, that bird divine, as he drew closer and closer to us seemed to gain in brightness so that my eyes could not endure his nearness and I was forced to lower them and he came on to shore with boats. So light, so quick that nowhere did the water swallow it. The helmsman sent from heaven at the start. So light, so quick that nowhere did the water swallow it. Seemed to have blessedness inscribed upon him more than a hundred spirits sat within in exit to Israel day, Egypt to with what is written after that Psalm of all of the spirits sang as with one voice. ### 2:48:22 seg-0415 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0415` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0415](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0415) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10102s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10102s) Then over them, he made the Holy crosses sign. They flung themselves down on the shore and he moved off as he had come swiftly. The crowd that he had left along the beach seemed not to know the place. They looked about like those whose eyes try out things. New to them upon all sides, the sun shot forth the day and from mid heaven, it's incisive arrows already had chased Capricorn away when those who just arrived looked at their heads toward us and said, do show us, if you know the way by which we can ascend the slope and Virgil answered, you may be convinced that we're quite familiar with this shore, but we're strangers here. Just as you are, we came, but now a little while before you though, by another path, so difficult and dense that this ascent seems sport to us. The souls who noticing my breathing sense that I was still a living being then out of astonishment turned pale. ### 2:49:15 seg-0416 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0416` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0416](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0416) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10155s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10155s) And just as people crowd around a messenger who bears an olive branch to hear his news, and no one hesitates to join that crush. So here are those happy spirits. All of them start hard at my face, just as if they had forgotten to proceed to their perfection. I saw one of those spirits moving forward in order to embrace me. His affection. So great that I was moved to. Mine. I'm his welcome. ### 2:49:39 seg-0417 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0417` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0417](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0417) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10179s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10179s) Okay, stop. Okay. All right. So again, this is mirroring hell. Remember, remember how, um, when Virgil took, uh, Dante into hell, that's across the river Akron, right? And there's all these souls lining up to cross the river. And the same thing is happening here with your souls lining up to cross the river into anti purgatory, uh, the area before the mountain. Can you explain to me? Or just list for me the differences between these two groups, the first group in hell, second group in purgatory, what are the differences you notice it's pretty stark, actually these, these differences, what are they doing here that souls didn't do in hell looking around? ### 2:50:32 seg-0418 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0418` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0418](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0418) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10232s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10232s) Yes, this is very important. ### 2:50:33 seg-0419 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0419` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0419](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0419) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10233s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10233s) Okay. You understand they're curious. Okay. Remember, and like, it's very explicit, uh, the line, right? Um, their eyes try, look, look at that life. 54. Whose eyes trout things new to them. They're curious. They want to learn. Okay. It's pretty stark. That's one. They're curious. What's the other thing? ### 2:51:04 seg-0420 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0420` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0420](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0420) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10264s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10264s) Yes. Uh, asking about the place. ### 2:51:08 seg-0421 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0421` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0421](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0421) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10268s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10268s) They ask, they talk, man. Think about it. How in, how in, uh, in hell the souls just didn't talk, right? They talk, they ask questions. ### 2:51:20 seg-0422 - Speaker: SPEAKER_11 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0422` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0422](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0422) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10280s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10280s) Yes. I feel like in spirit, they feel a lot more optimistic. ### 2:51:25 seg-0423 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0423` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0423](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0423) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10285s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10285s) Yeah. Yeah. They're active, right? Whereas, uh, in infernal, they were passive. They were just indifferent. Nothing could move them. Uh, yes. ### 2:51:37 seg-0424 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0424` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0424](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0424) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10297s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10297s) 73. So here, those happy spirits, all of them stare hard at my face. So it's like, they're really happy. Like people in hell, it's not very happy. ### 2:51:45 seg-0425 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0425` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0425](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0425) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10305s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10305s) That's right. They're happy. They're optimistic. Exactly. Yes. And also what are they doing that that never happens in hell? They're embracing each other. They're touching each other. Uh, what else, what, what are they doing here? That never happens in hell, but happens a lot in heaven seeing, right? Look, look at line 46, right? 46 to 48. Those spirits sang with one voice. Okay. So this is a pretty strict, like the economy, right? That the souls in hell were passive, indifferent. They just accept their fate. Whereas here, the souls are curious. They want to learn. So, so what's this really saying about who's in hell and who, and who's in purgatory? Who, who goes to hell? Who goes to purgatory? Yes. ### 2:52:46 seg-0426 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0426` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0426](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0426) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10366s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10366s) Hell is a place of inactivity or being very passive and no curiosity, no consciousness, no wanting to learn or improve, no agency. And then purgatory is like, we sin a little bit, but we're still happy. We still want to try to get better. We're just people at fault, but we are still trying. ### 2:53:05 seg-0427 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0427` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0427](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0427) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10385s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10385s) Exactly. Yes. Just similar to that, that they have an optimistic mindset, a growth mindset. ### 2:53:12 seg-0428 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0428` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0428](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0428) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10392s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10392s) It's attitude, right? It's they choose. It's like, um, do you guys know Carol Dwight? Right. Carol, Carol Dwight, Dwight. Yeah. You probably know her. Um, but you know, she's a Stanford psychologist and she says that in life, there are those who succeed and those who fail. And the main difference is in attitude, right? Those who succeed. Have a growth. Mindset, which is to say, they're always looking to get better. Okay. They accept adversity. They accept failure as opportunities to improve themselves. Whereas fixed people, fixed mindset. Don't believe they can ever improve. And there's accept things as they are. They're afraid of failure. Okay. And that's the difference between, uh, hell and purgatory. ### 2:54:02 seg-0429 - Speaker: UNKNOWN - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0429` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0429](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0429) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10442s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10442s) Okay. ### 2:54:03 seg-0430 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0430` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0430](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0430) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10443s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10443s) So this is radical because Kato shows us is not necessarily what you do that condemns you to hell or purgatory. It's what your attitude is, what you believe, what you choose to do. That's important. Okay. Your mindset. That's important. Okay. Does that make sense? All right. Uh, let's, let's keep on reading. ### 2:54:28 seg-0431 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0431` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0431](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0431) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10468s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10468s) Line 79. Oh, shades and all except appearance empty. Three times. I clasped my hands behind him and it's often brought them back against my chest. This may, I think was painted on my face at this, that shadow smiled as he withdrew and I still seeking him again. Advanced gently. He said that I could now stand back. Then I knew who he was and I beseeched him to remain a while and talk with me. He answered as I loved you when I was within my mortal flesh, though freed, I love you. Therefore I stay, but you, why do you journey my own casella to return again to where I am? I journeyed thus, but why I said, were you deprived of so much time and he, no injury is done to me if he, who's takes up home. And when he passed. Pleases has kept me from this crossing many times for his own will derives from a just will. ### 2:55:20 seg-0432 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0432` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0432](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0432) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10520s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10520s) And yet for three months now, he has accepted more, most tranquilly, all those who would embark. Therefore I, who had turned then to the shore at which the Tiber's water makes the salt was gathered in by his benevolence straight to that river mouth. He said his wings that always is the place of gathering for those who do not sink to Akron and I, if there's no new law. That. Denies. You memory or practice of the songs of love that used to quiet all my longings, then may it please you with those songs to solace my soul somewhat for having journeyed here together with my body. It is weary love that discourses to me in my mind. He then began to sing and sang so sweetly that I still hear that sweetened sound in me, my master, I, and all that company around the singer seems so satisfied as if no other thing might touch, touch my, our minds. ### 2:56:13 seg-0433 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0433` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0433](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0433) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10573s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10573s) We all were motionless. And fixed upon the notes when all at once the grave old man cried out, what have we here? You laggard spirits. What negligence? What lingering is this quick to the mountain to cast off the slough that will not let you see God show himself. ### 2:56:29 seg-0434 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0434` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0434](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0434) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10589s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10589s) Okay. So, um, Dante sees an old friend from Florence. Uh, this friend has died. Um, and they're very happy to see each other. Okay. This is a contrast between when, uh, Virgil and Kato saw each other. Okay. They, they reminisce. They, they talk about. Uh, their past, um, and then Kato sees him and says like, like, get out of here, stop lingering, right? Move on. Okay. Um, so, uh, there's a contrast here and again, Donnie does this a lot. Okay. Keep on going. ### 2:57:05 seg-0435 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0435` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0435](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0435) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10625s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10625s) If line one, two, four, even as stubs assembled where they feed quietly, gathering their grain or weeds forgetful of their customary strut. Well, if something appears that makes them fear immediately leave their food behind because. They're assailed by greater care. So did I see that new come company, they left the song behind, turned towards the slope, like those who go and yet do not know where, and we were no less hasty in departure. ### 2:57:31 seg-0436 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0436` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0436](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0436) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10651s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10651s) Let's continue. ### 2:57:41 seg-0437 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0437` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0437](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0437) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10661s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10661s) Conto three, but while their sudden flight was scattering, those souls across the plan toward the mountain, where we're racked by rightful punishments, I drew in closer to my true companion for how could I have run ahead without him? Who could have helped me? As I climbed the mountain. He seemed like one who's stung by self -reproved, Oh, pure and noble conscience, you in whom each petty fault becomes a harsh rebuke and when his feet had left off hurrying for haste denies all acts, their dignity, my mind, which was before to focus for more curious and widened his attention. I set my vision toward the slope that rises most deeply up to heaven from the sea behind my back. The sun was flaming red, but they're ahead of me. It's light was shattered because it's raised for resting on my body. And when I saw the ground was dark in front of me and me alone, afraid that I had been abandoned. ### 2:58:32 seg-0438 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0438` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0438](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0438) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10712s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10712s) I turned to my side and he my only comfort as he turned around began. Why must you still mistrust? Don't you believe that I am with and guide you the body from within which I cast shadows is buried where it now is even take taken from Brindisi. It now belongs to Naples. Thus, if no shadow falls in front of me, do not be more amazed than when you see the. heavens not impede each other's race the power has disposed such bodiless bodies to suffer torment heat and cold how this is done he would not have us know foolish is he who hopes our intellect can reach the end of that unending road only one substance and three persons follows confine yourself oh humans to the queer had you been able to see all there would have been no need for mary ### 2:59:23 seg-0439 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0439` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0439](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0439) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10763s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10763s) to give birth okay stop okay all right so this is actually a very important part of um this poem so i want to analyze it uh in depth okay first of all explain to me what the relationship now is between virgil and dante how would you describe the relationship yes like dante's a little bit ### 2:59:48 seg-0440 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0440` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0440](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0440) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10788s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10788s) like a teenager so virgil has given birth to him and now he's looking at he still really trusts him and likes him but he sees that he doesn't have a shadow and that's one of the ways that you know you can climb the mountain because you're walking towards your shadow trying to deal with your yeah sin and so he's thinking how much of a guide is he really going to be if he's clearly not from here and he's not an expert ### 3:00:13 seg-0441 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0441` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0441](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0441) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10813s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10813s) of this place um okay um that's one way to interpret it but i i kind of disagree with that okay i i i like um how does donnie feel about virgil when so so again the idea is that don has a body so he's able to see his own shadow virgil doesn't have a body and uh you can't see a shadow this is not a problem in hell because there are no shadows in hell this is a problem here in purgatory right why is dante upset about ### 3:00:45 seg-0442 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0442` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0442](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0442) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10845s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10845s) not seeing virgil shadow yes dante may be upset that he can feel that he's getting close to overtaking virgil outgrowing him no no uh yes ### 3:01:12 seg-0443 - Speaker: SPEAKER_07 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0443` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0443](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0443) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10872s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10872s) um dante's very insecure and he felt that he's abandoned by version i think so i think it's not ### 3:01:21 seg-0444 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0444` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0444](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0444) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10881s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10881s) i think it's insecurity right it's like like he needs virgil constantly beside him he can't see the shadow he's nervous like where's virgil and virgil like don't worry i'm still with you i'm gonna guide you relax man okay that's exactly what what they're saying here okay does that make sense so it shows you how dependent has become on virgil it is dante it is virgil who lifted out of hell and now donnie is now dependent on virgil to lift him up to purgatory okay and again this is a pilgrimage this is a journey where donnie has to learn to become independent um okay now a really important tercet okay i i want you to focus on this tercet um is no 30 34 39 okay i want to focus on this it's like really important um foolish as he hopes our intellect can reach the end of that unending road only one substance in three ### 3:02:24 seg-0445 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0445` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0445](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0445) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10944s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10944s) persons follows what is this ### 3:02:27 seg-0446 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0446` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0446](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0446) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10947s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10947s) referring to trinity but what is the one substance the monad to me the monad uh no the substance ### 3:02:38 seg-0447 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0447` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0447](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0447) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10958s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=10958s) what's the substance love right who said um the trinity is three persons and they all have the same substance who said that dante when peter was asking him what is faith do you believe in the holy trinity i do i believe that they that the trinity exists they all come from the same essence which is love okay so this is what dante will say in heaven confine yourselves all humans look to equate have not been able to see all there would be have been no need for mary to give birth okay have been no need for mary to give birth what what virgil is saying is um what no need for mary to give birth what should what she what could he say what could he say instead of this or you know something much more appropriate to christian theology if we knew better then there would be no need for what to happen for ### 3:03:57 seg-0448 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0448` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0448](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0448) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11037s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11037s) jesus to come right why is it there'll be no need for mary to give birth who who says this it who says this dante dante as well okay well not actually that donnie bernard says this in paradise right it is mary giving birth that is the true miracle not jesus sacrificing himself this is all coming from the mouth of virgil do you understand and these ideas will be presented to us in paradise ### 3:04:31 seg-0449 - Speaker: SPEAKER_06 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0449` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0449](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0449) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11071s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11071s) what's the paradox here yes where did he get to know these if what he said in paradise was something ### 3:04:44 seg-0450 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0450` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0450](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0450) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11084s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11084s) he's supposed to learn from his journey yeah like this is really confusing for us because we just said virgil is in limbo and virgil could possibly be the master of hell this is our speculation we don't have evidence this is the case how is it suppose never been to paradise how is he able to know this stuff right we'll discover this stuff in paradise but we are in purgatory right now and virgil has spent all of eternity in limbo where is he getting this stuff from this is these are things that donnie will discover once in heaven but already virgil understands this stuff how can we explain this paradox yeah i just guess maybe jesus got two ### 3:05:37 seg-0451 - Speaker: SPEAKER_10 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0451` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0451](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0451) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11137s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11137s) two sides one side is uh jesus another side is lucifer how about is it possible okay so you're ### 3:05:47 seg-0452 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0452` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0452](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0452) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11147s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11147s) saying that virgil is both lucifer and jesus that's it that's interesting yes maybe when he's ### 3:06:02 seg-0453 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0453` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0453](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0453) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11162s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11162s) um with when he sat in the church right now there's a reaction into theם he's in fire and ق именно alsطι youngest one of them is ph��� purple and thiskar contrasted with litmus that the transfiguration ofoya oferminkhe reallyソگرہfully 나bas going to go fruits and você 凡 fandom super 9 and you guys don't uh don't like that at all crime so nice um liu uncertain isso é uma demonstração sobre umGS aso voice need some time to take if you already understood the ### 3:06:23 seg-0454 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0454` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0454](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0454) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11183s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11183s) i'm trying to figure out how he knows two things that are revealed to us in heaven the first is that the holy trinity is has one essence which is love so god is love basically right second thing is like he knows that mary is the one who redeemed us not jesus he knows this so i'm saying how how could he know this he was there he went there he went there he was there he went there and how did he end up in limbo like you said he chose us not to be there he was like ### 3:06:55 seg-0455 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0455` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0455](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0455) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11215s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11215s) oh this place is great but i have to be like a servant to god and i want to do that so i'm coming ### 3:06:59 seg-0456 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0456` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0456](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0456) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11219s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11219s) back you could have gone there because he's explicit right you cannot leave hell unless you can't go to heaven unless you're a christian right uh yes um did beatrice tell him when she ### 3:07:13 seg-0457 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0457` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0457](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0457) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11233s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11233s) assigned him the task why would beatrice tell him this stuff fine like yes dante guesses it and ascribes it to virgil ### 3:07:28 seg-0458 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0458` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0458](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0458) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11248s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11248s) no no no no virgil's a teacher versus a father dante is a student and a son right so dante would never be as presumptuous as to teach this to virgil and donnie does not know this yet right he only knows this when he goes up to heaven so how can virgil know this well technically lucifer ### 3:07:51 seg-0459 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0459` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0459](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0459) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11271s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11271s) was really close to god right keep on going right and therefore he understands the essence the substance the three persons and therefore i don't know a fragment of lucifer is with virgil okay that's a good start okay ### 3:08:14 seg-0460 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0460` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0460](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0460) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11294s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11294s) that's very close keep on going keep going on that logic yes for the devil to distort the truth ### 3:08:23 seg-0461 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0461` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0461](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0461) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11303s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11303s) means that he knows the truth very well in its fabrics to be able to tear it apart deconstruct it cancel it yes so then he probably revealed that to virgil like this is the essence but we are like ### 3:08:36 seg-0462 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0462` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0462](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0462) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11316s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11316s) like try to divert well no no no okay the first part was right the second part is like you're saying lucifer talked to virgil right but he can't talk but lucifer can't talk ### 3:08:45 seg-0463 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0463` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0463](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0463) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11325s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11325s) so how does virgil know this yes it's the opposite of what happens of what he sees of lucifer in hell so it's like three sinners are digested into one substance which is evil and that the opposite it's ### 3:09:05 seg-0464 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0464` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0464](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0464) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11345s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11345s) the opposite of the immaculate conception okay so that's an interesting theory okay and that explains the trinity it doesn't explain mary okay who is virgil what does he do he's a poet and we're poets they're channeling god right you understand this is how dante is able to write this he's channeling god he actually doesn't probably doesn't even know what he's writing okay we probably we're probably better at analyzing this poetry than dante i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i mean like i'm not exaggerating dante's just it's just like seeing the truth of the universe he doesn't really know what he's singing and that's what a poet is a poet is a vessel for the divine fire okay so if virgil knows this truth but he wrote the ennead what is he saying ### 3:10:11 seg-0465 - Speaker: SPEAKER_04 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0465` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0465](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0465) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11411s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11411s) about virgil to me that virgil virgil is uh is more or less a lucifer figure but why is he lucifer because he knows the truth but choose to not to tell the truth ### 3:10:29 seg-0466 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0466` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0466](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0466) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11429s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11429s) no no no yes well i mean in a way he was forced by augustus to like speak poetry but like um use it for a empire way so so so in god's eyes what did you do well he ### 3:10:45 seg-0467 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0467` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0467](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0467) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11445s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11445s) you betrayed god you betrayed god you understand the great betrayer is virgil not lucifer okay so he was a great betrayer but he betrayed god also and now you can just think about this just think about this does that make sense guys because god gave you the greatest gift possible which is poetry which is divine true and you distorted it in order to serve empire that's a great betrayal right who's lucifer lucifer is someone who uh betrayed god and ### 3:11:13 seg-0468 - Speaker: SPEAKER_07 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0468` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0468](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0468) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11473s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11473s) want to seek power uh yes then why is virgil in limbo that's a really good question yes ### 3:11:20 seg-0469 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0469` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0469](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0469) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11480s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11480s) is it because he left an easter egg that is it because he left an easter egg that when enneas is about to get beat up and he is going to die together to get Apply for what? out to kill turnus he debates it a lot and then he sees palace's sword belt on turnus and that's what makes him finally kill him but that's we don't know whether that's fully true or not but at least it's maybe virgil saying that there was another thing which made me make a neos kill turnus in the aeneid and it wasn't just the whole message that it seemed kind of like a red herring that it was palace's sword belt that made him kill turnus when it was his divine destiny to do ### 3:11:55 seg-0470 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0470` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0470](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0470) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11515s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11515s) okay okay that's a good point okay so like try to visualize what's happening okay god give virgil the divine fire okay just as he's he gave um donnie the divine fire just as he gave shakespeare the divine fire okay this is all divine fire this is not yours this is god's okay and then augustus says okay you know what give me that divine fire and we'll craft a weapon together well if you do that if you put the divine light into the weapon someone's gonna leak out does it make sense and that's why there's so many inconsistencies in the in the ad including the one of where india shows mercy or what's so mercy to turn is and then in the end decides to kill me anyway okay so there are a lot of inconsistencies in the in the ad because you're trying to weaponize the divine fire and the divine fire does not want ### 3:12:41 seg-0471 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0471` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0471](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0471) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11561s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11561s) to be weaponized okay it's meant to uh like enlighten the world it's not meant to be directed as a weapon of empire all right but um do you guys do you guys understand this this this idea that virgil is a great betrayer because god gave him divine fire and rather than enlighten the world like what donnie is doing with divine comedy he he chooses to corrupt it in a way that serves empire for his own personal benefit and this is a great betrayal of humanity right imagine if jesus came and he's like screw this mission i'm gonna side with the romans yeah right yeah because like i don't be crucified and the romans are are gonna give me a two hundred dollars screw screw this mission right is that a great betrayal of god and it's also a picture of humanity yes ### 3:13:45 seg-0472 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0472` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0472](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0472) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11625s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11625s) yeah and that's exactly what the jews hated jesus for because they really wanted a real messiah who was a militant leader just like julius caesar they really wanted jesus that's right well not side with the romans or fight against the romans that's why they denied him the title of messiah ### 3:13:58 seg-0473 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0473` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0473](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0473) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11638s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11638s) that's right exactly because jesus was a prophet of peace and they wanted a prophet of war yes okay does that make sense so so again we're speculating but like again it's a huge problem for us how these two ideas where god is love and mary is what redeemed us these are the two main ideas of paradise how are they appearing in the mouth of virgil right and the answer is well because he had access to divine fire but he chose to corrupt it but it doesn't answer the question ### 3:14:28 seg-0474 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0474` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0474](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0474) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11668s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11668s) is like how did virgil end up in limbo as a poet it's where he can be the most creative because heaven is kind of a place you can't touch or manipulate whereas in hell he can create his own story and also put who he wants in it yes and like as we see how is basically created by virgil and he knows the place because he created it exactly okay so one explanation is that virgil ### 3:14:55 seg-0475 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0475` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0475](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0475) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11695s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11695s) created hell and donna created heaven okay so ultimately what's happening is a war between heaven and hell the hell conceptualized by virgil and heaven conceptualized by dante that's one ### 3:15:07 seg-0476 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0476` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0476](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0476) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11707s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11707s) uh yes yeah so that's like a theory i had about hell is that dante is basically entering um virgil's mind but he does enter virgil's mind how how oh yeah that's that's the point i don't ### 3:15:22 seg-0477 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0477` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0477](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0477) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11722s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11722s) understand okay but how does he enter virgil's mind by going into hell no no no how does he enter virgil's mind yeah in fact he becomes virgil's mind because what does he do he read the indian he read the indian right that's what the indian is it's a mind of virgil it is hell you understand it's a blueprint for hell imagine a world in which love is a disease right and you can just kill any woman that you want okay imagine a world about mercy about forgiveness right your enemy you must kill you can never show mercy to your enemy that is hell no forgiveness no mercy no love just pure obedience that's what hell is okay so the inyad is the expression of hell and the body comedy is the expression of heaven but is it possible to read divine comedy without reading the inyad is it possible it's not possible because you don't ### 3:16:29 seg-0478 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0478` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0478](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0478) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11789s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11789s) understand what's going on okay you understand there are lots of characters here and only by reading the inyad can you truly appreciate divine comedy so heaven and hell need each other okay they're at war with each other but actually they also need each other sushi each other called the complementary of each other okay so that that's the other idea here okay but that still doesn't answer so one possibility is okay well virgil created hell and donna created heaven okay but how can we explain another how can we further explain why virgil is in limbo and not being punished for betraying god i'm not sure if we already answered this in the last question ### 3:17:20 seg-0479 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0479` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0479](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0479) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11840s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11840s) but could it just be that dante feels that he couldn't be dante without virgil right so ### 3:17:29 seg-0480 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0480` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0480](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0480) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11849s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11849s) so he appreciates virgil's okay so so that's that's all possibility right dante knows he cannot be done about virgil because and he says this like he grew up being nourished and nursed by the iniad right but why would that lead to virgil in limbo ### 3:17:51 seg-0481 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0481` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0481](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0481) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11871s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11871s) okay yes virgil is still using imagination truth beauty and poetry so it's still god's gift so because he's using that he's not going to be punished still a creator no no no that's even worse right that's even worse i mean if you don't know anything ### 3:18:08 seg-0482 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0482` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0482](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0482) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11888s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11888s) and you you behave like and you behave like virgil does that's one thing but like to know that you're behaving the wrong way and you still choose to do it that's that's you know that's um that's even worse okay all right so let's think about this in the universe of dante um where should ### 3:18:32 seg-0483 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0483` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0483](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0483) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11912s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11912s) virgil be to me in the inferno which part of the inferno the very bottom in one of the mouths of ### 3:18:42 seg-0484 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0484` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0484](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0484) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11922s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11922s) satan yeah right right he's the great betrayer much worse than satan he is a great betrayer and who said instead cassius and buddhas right so what even happened again we're only speculating okay we're using our imagination we're trying to figure out how this system works right because in dante's framework virgil the place where he belongs is in the mouth of lucifer being chewed to death because his betrayal is the same as lucifer's betrayal lucifer betrayed god and virgil betrayed humanity right it's the iniat that has condemned europe to a thousand years of hell just endless war ### 3:19:31 seg-0485 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0485` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0485](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0485) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11971s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11971s) endless suffering okay no mercy no love yes uh divine comedy inferno is not dante's framework but ### 3:19:43 seg-0486 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0486` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0486](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0486) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11983s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=11983s) virgil's framework right right right right so so that's one possibility but i'm saying like let's do another another possibility right let's just say like virgil is master of hell he can he can show hell in any way he wants and there's something that anyone can do about it even god what's another possibility okay and the other possibility is okay let's go with donnie's framework and in donnie's framework um let's go with donnie's framework and in donnie's framework virgil is in the bottom of hell being chewed and tortured by lucifer how ### 3:20:13 seg-0487 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0487` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0487](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0487) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12013s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12013s) would he have gone out of that situation uh yes only through dante himself like dante himself puts virgil into limbo because he loves him so much maybe or he forgives him okay right uh yes ### 3:20:34 seg-0488 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0488` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0488](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0488) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12034s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12034s) he got temporarily moved out by beatrice and the other ladies from heaven and yeah just for this purpose but he really doesn't want dante to know that's the truth so ### 3:20:43 seg-0489 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0489` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0489](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0489) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12043s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12043s) yeah that's a possibility do you guys understand that you understand that because beatrice has a problem right beatrice is like dante is lost in the woods someone has to help him and who's the only guy possible virgil promise virgil is in hell being true to life because of his betrayal of humanity but we're but in the world okay who does dante admire the most who could guide dante out of hell only virgil right because only virgil knows hell that much because he's at the very bottom so he understands the very essence of hell so they might have made a deal right where i i this all speculation okay but you can see how this might work where beatrice says to virgil okay we'll give you a special reprieve you help dante and then dante and and then we'll we'll you know uh move your limbo and then we'll put in put us in cast as ### 3:21:38 seg-0490 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0490` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0490](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0490) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12098s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12098s) you ### 3:21:38 seg-0491 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0491` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0491](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0491) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12098s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12098s) in your in your place it doesn't make sense metaphorically it makes sense because dante probably wouldn't have written the comedy without virgil's influence exactly exactly right so um ### 3:21:53 seg-0492 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0492` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0492](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0492) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12113s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12113s) tomorrow uh we talked to um david bromwich and david bromwich had mentor was harold bloom right and harold bloom wrote a very famous book called anxiety of influence and and very high very idea of anxiety influence is how is how does creation happen how is it possible for people like milton and keats and shakespeare to create great arts of work a quick great great uh artwork and the answer is inside of influence where as a young poet you are so burdened by a higher poet right so milton was burdened by shakespeare and you think that oh it's impossible for me to surpass him and you try your very best to imitate him you try you've got to try your very best to imitate him you you've got to马上 you try your very best to become him but in this process um of trying to become him you recognize the problems in this and then you ### 3:22:52 seg-0493 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0493` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0493](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0493) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12172s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12172s) develop your own creativity it doesn't make sense you can't do it in a vacuum you can't do it in a blank slate you have to fully embrace someone and then defeat that person right it is very similar to the father -son dynamic right where you first become a father then you kill the father to become yourself let's kill the father okay don't kill your father but like you know you leave your father behind this is what's happening right now uh literally between virgil and dante okay donnie has become virgil's son and he's trying to become virgil but in the process he will discover the limitations of um virgil and become his own poet okay does that make sense and it's very similar to the way i teach where you know the first few days i was trying to give you a lot of ideas i was trying to give you a lot of ideas i ### 3:23:39 seg-0494 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0494` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0494](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0494) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12219s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12219s) was trying to give you a lot of ideas but over time um as you have you as you have this framework that i've given you this framework allows you to better analyze the divine comedy and over time if you keep on doing this you'll discover i can build my own favorite i don't need this for grain framework anymore but you first need that framework okay it doesn't make sense all right does that answer answer your question okay all right and again we're only speculating okay we're only using our imagination but you can see how this does explain a lot about the way i think about the divine comedy what's going on right and again what's really confusing right now is these two great truths of paradise um virgil already knows and also shows you the consistency the totality of divine comedy right where all three inferno purgatory and paradise all line up perfectly and i ### 3:24:33 seg-0495 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0495` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0495](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0495) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12273s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12273s) don't know how you could do that as a human being and this is an age before computers this is an age even before like pen and paper right but he's able to do this in his mind and if you're like well it's all him being deliberate and being very careful well that doesn't really get you anywhere but if you're like okay all he's doing is channeling the divine fire well that explains a lot more okay okay does that make sense guys all right uh let's keep on reading line 40 you saw ### 3:25:01 seg-0496 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0496` - 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Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0499` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0499](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0499) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12385s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12385s) i would phrase it differently does anyone else want to try yeah you can try again just that ### 3:26:43 seg-0500 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0500` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0500](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0500) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12403s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12403s) they still have a distance between them and the world of the forms what if you think that's where ### 3:26:49 seg-0501 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0501` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0501](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0501) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12409s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12409s) god was sure we're trying to figure out what causes this distance okay what causes this distance separation between reason and knowledge they didn't think they needed faith it's faith right because explain to me because only with faith do you understand that it's mary redeemed that's not jesus it's only with faith that you understand that god is love okay you can't prove it you can't reason it out plato and aristotle their problem was that they wanted to reason out you can't do that you have to have faith and from this faith comes your imagination which then allows you to access the the truth you understand the logic and again it's amazing because this is what because this is what donning will tell us will reveal to us in paradise you need to you need to live a life of faith hope and love and virgil is already saying this so virgil knows this but he refuses ### 3:27:38 seg-0502 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0502` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0502](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0502) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12458s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12458s) to act it out okay he refuses to align uh will with action okay all right let's keep on ### 3:27:48 seg-0503 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0503` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0503](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0503) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12468s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12468s) reading while he his eyes upon the ground consulted his mind considering what road to take and i looked up around the wall of rock along the left a band of souls appeared to me to be approaching us but so unhurriedly their movements did not show lift up your eyes i told my master here are those who can advise us how to go if you can find no counsel in yourself at this he looked at them and lest the stress replied let us go there their steps are slow and you my gentle son hold fast to me and i will not let you go and i will not let you go and i will not let you go hope the distance from that company to us i mean when we had gone a thousand paces was still as far as the fine hurlers tossed when they all huddled toward the hard rock wall and once they ### 3:28:32 seg-0504 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0504` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0504](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0504) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12512s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12512s) crowded there refused to budge even as men when apprehensive halt oh chosen souls you have ended well virgil began by virtue of that peace which i believe awaits you all please tell us where the slope inclines and can be climbed for he who best discerns the worth of time is most distressed whenever time is lost even as sheep that move first one then two then three out of the fold the others also stand eyes and muzzles lowered timidly and what the first sheep does the others do and if it halts they huddle close behind simple and quiet and not knowing why so then i saw those spirits in the front of that flock flavored favored by good fortune move their looks were modest seemly slow their walk as soon as these souls saw upon my right along the ground a gap in the sun's light where shadows stretched from me to the rock wall they ### 3:29:28 seg-0505 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0505` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0505](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0505) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12568s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12568s) stopped and then drew back somewhat and all who came behind them though they they did not know why those ahead had halted also slowed without your asking i shall tell you plainly that you're looking at a human body that's why the sunlight on the ground is broken don't be astonished rush assured that he would not attempt to huddle close behind them and they did not know why so they did not attempt to cross this wall without a force that have incentive as a thwart these were my master's words that worthy band replied come back and move in our direction and gestured with backhanded motions right and one of them began whoever you may be as you move forward turn and see consider if beyond you've ever seen me i turned to look at him attentively he was fair haired and handsome and his aspect was noble but one eyebrow had been cleft by a sword's ### 3:30:16 seg-0506 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0506` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0506](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0506) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12616s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12616s) stroke when i had humbly noted that i had never seen him he said look now showing me a wound high on his chest then as he smiled he told me i'm manfred the grandson of the empress constance thus i pray that when you reach the world again you may go to my lovely daughter mother kings of sicily and aragon tell her the truth lest she's heard something other after my body had been shattered by two fatal blows and tears i then cried out to god my mother women had freed me i consigned myself to him who willingly forgives. My sins were ghastly, but the infinite goodness has arms so wide that it accepts whoever would return, imploring it. As if Cesenza's bastard, who was sent to hunt me down, alive or dead by Clement, had understood this facet of God's mercy, my body's bones would still be there beneath the custody of the great heap of stones, near Benevento, at the bridgehead. ### 3:31:11 seg-0507 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0507` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0507](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0507) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12671s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12671s) Now rain bathes my bones, the wind has driven them beyond the kingdom, near the Verdi's banks, where he transported them with tapers bent. Despite the church's curse, there's no one so lost that the eternal love cannot return, as long as hope shows something green. But it is true that anyone who dies in contumacy of the Holy Church, though he repented at the end, must wait along the shore for thirty times the span he spent in his presumptuousness, unless that edict is abridged through fitting prayers. Now see, of you by making known to my kind Constance where you saw my soul and why delays decreed for me can make me happy. Those here, through those beyond, advance more quickly. ### 3:31:56 seg-0508 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0508` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0508](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0508) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12716s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12716s) Okay, so they are moving towards Purgatory. They're an empty Purgatory, right? So they're not yet entered the gates of Purgatory, and they're meeting different souls, and one of them is Manfred. Now Manfred is a royal, he is a king, he's a grandson of the Empress Constance, and he's a king of the Empress Constance, and he's a king of the Empress Constance, and he's a king of the Empress Constance, and he's a king of the Empress Constance, and he died in battle. And he was excommunicated by the Church. Why is this a paradox? He was excommunicated by the Church. Why is this a paradox? He's here. Yeah, it's straight, it's like go straight to hell card, right? Yeah. If you're excommunicated, it means that you have been banished from the community of Christians. It doesn't matter if you're baptized, it doesn't matter what you believe, it doesn't matter what you do, you have now been banished from the community of Christianity, and therefore you must now burn in hell. ### 3:32:53 seg-0509 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0509` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0509](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0509) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12773s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12773s) And what does Manfred say? ### 3:32:58 seg-0510 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0510` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0510](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0510) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12778s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12778s) How can we understand this? Yes. He said, as I was dying, basically in tears, I suddenly was like, God, please forgive me. And then I know my sins were terrible, but God, you know, spread his arms to me to return. ### 3:33:11 seg-0511 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0511` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0511](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0511) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12791s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12791s) Yeah. So God is all forgiving. Okay. You have a direct connection to God and, if you get executed by the church that's bad but but that just means you spend more time in purgatory okay right so again this is revolutionary for this time in history where the ex communication doesn't really matter that much okay what matters is your faith in god um how is it possible to reduce your time in purgatory do you guys know yes someone who's alive prays for you exactly okay right this goes back to the idea in heaven where um if an infant dies but the parents are very virtuous and pray for the infant the infant is given access to heaven yes i think it also matters ### 3:33:57 seg-0512 - Speaker: SPEAKER_11 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0512` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0512](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0512) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12837s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12837s) whether the prayer is like a good prayer or just like an off -handed prayer i think there's like a ### 3:34:02 seg-0513 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0513` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0513](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0513) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12842s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12842s) difference between yeah no no commitment right you know if someone's praying for you um eight hours a day and also the number of people also matter as well like if entire community is praying for you and that will reduce your timing imprecatory okay right okay all right so let's keep on going kanto four ### 3:34:34 seg-0514 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0514` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0514](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0514) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12874s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12874s) when any of our faculties retains a strong impression of delight or pain the soul will wholly concentrate on that neglecting any other power it has and this refutes the error that maintains that one above the other several souls can flame in us and thus when something seen or hurt secures the soul in stringent grip time moves and yet we do not notice it the power that perceives the course of time is not the power that captures all the mind the former has no force the latter binds and i confirmed this by experience hearing that spirit and my wonderment for though the sun had fully climbed 50 degrees i had not noticed it and when we came to the point at which in unison those souls cried out to us here's what you want okay so at this this answers your question ### 3:35:18 seg-0515 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0515` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0515](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0515) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12918s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12918s) of time right you have a question about time what does dante say right so but what does he mean right we had a question about time right so what does donnie say about time yes the sun has climbed 50 degrees yeah and that's physical time but what could could you um yeah what's he saying here um ### 3:36:01 seg-0516 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0516` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0516](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0516) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12961s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12961s) well uh verse 10 the power that perceives the course of time is not the power that captures all the mind the former has no force the latter binds so um it's not ### 3:36:13 seg-0517 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0517` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0517](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0517) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12973s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=12973s) your perception is your imagination it's not the perception that matters what matters the perception of time doesn't matter what matters the emotions right right so the power that cap perceives the course of time is that the power that captures all the mind okay the power that perceives the course of time has no force the power that captures all the mind which the emotions that binds okay all right so what matters is the emotional time as opposed to the physical time okay keep on going ### 3:36:55 seg-0518 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0518` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0518](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0518) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13015s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13015s) line 13 and i confirmed this by experience hearing that spirit in my wonderment for though the sun had fully climbed 50 degrees i had not noticed it when we came to the point at which in unison those soul cried out to us here's what you want and then verse 19 the farmer when the grape is darkening will often stuff a wider opening with just a little fork full of his thorns then was the gap through which my guide and i which followed after climbed we too alone after the company of souls ### 3:37:21 seg-0519 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0519` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0519](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0519) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13041s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13041s) had gone why does he notice the passing of time why does he notice the passing of time yes the changing of the sun's degrees well that would tell him the time but he doesn't even notice that i'm saying why doesn't he notice the sun the top the passing of time and like this is just like like why don't you notice time because you're perceiving change uh ### 3:37:56 seg-0520 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0520` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0520](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0520) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13076s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13076s) yes um why would you not notice time not notice time yeah what would you not notice time if ### 3:38:02 seg-0521 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0521` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0521](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0521) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13082s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13082s) nothing changes you know what i'm saying like like when do you not notice time yes you're sleeping that you lost yeah when you're happy okay yeah when you're happy and why are you sounding very happy why are you starting happy what he's on his way to beatrice no there's a better reason he hasn't mentioned features yet he's out of hell right okay he was in hell and now he's finally out of hell there's sun there's people who are happy he just he's just really happy right now okay you feel right so all right uh let's go on right all right uh let's go on ### 3:38:44 seg-0522 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0522` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0522](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0522) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13124s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13124s) am i going verse 25. first 25. san leo can be climbed one can descend to noley and ascend kakuma and bismontova with feet alone but here i had to fly i mean with rapid wings and opinions of immense desire behind the guide who gave me hope and with my life we made our upward way through rifted rock along each side the edges pressed on us the ground beneath required feet and hands when we had reached the upper rim of that steep bank emerging on the open slope i said my master what do you think went well i really didn't expect me to fall here iטill do that for me i way shall we take and he to me don't squander any steps keep climbing up the mountain after me until we find some expert company the summit was so high my sight fell short the slope was far more steep than the line drawn from ### 3:39:25 seg-0523 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0523` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0523](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0523) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13165s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13165s) middle quadrant to the center point i was exhausted when i made this plea oh gentle father turn around and see i will not left alone i will be left alone alone unless you halt my son he said draw yourself up to there while pointing to a somewhat higher terrace which circles all the slope along that side his words incited me my body tried on hands and knees i scrambled after him until the terrace lay beneath my feet there we sat down together facing east in the direction from which we had come what joy to look back at a path we've climbed my eyes were first set on the shorts below and then i raised them toward the sun i was amazed to find it fall upon our left and when the poet saw that i was struck with wonder as i washed the chariot of light passing between the two of us i was amazed ### 3:40:10 seg-0524 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0524` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0524](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0524) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13210s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13210s) to find it fall upon our left the north and us he said to me suppose castor and pollux were in conjunction with that mirror there which shakes the light and guides it north and south then you would see the reddish zodiac still closer to the bears as it revolves unless it has abandoned its old track if you would realize how that should be then concentrate imagining this mountain so placed upon this earth that both mount zion and it although in different hemispheres share one horizon therefore you can see putting your mind to it as if you were in the center of the earth as if you were in the center of the earth ### 3:40:40 seg-0525 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0525` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0525](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0525) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13240s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13240s) attentively where is mount zion you guys know where's mount zion probably in mount zion come on guys in israel egypt jerusalem right zionist come on man zionist right mount zion so what what he's saying is that purgatory and jerusalem are opposite of each other it doesn't make sense okay so um yeah uh yeah what is your relationship between dante and virgil how would you describe the relationship seriously no yes well still a father -son relationship yes can you explain why ### 3:41:36 seg-0526 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0526` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0526](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0526) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13296s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13296s) well like further up he he said virgil said for uh son uh to dante and dante said father to virgil okay so and they and he dante still trusts virgil that he knows the way up ### 3:41:52 seg-0527 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0527` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0527](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0527) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13312s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13312s) so let's imagine you're a father okay you take your son who's like 10 on a hike to a mountain right what's your son doing all the time are we there yet yeah are we there yet okay and what's sonny doing like are we there yet okay and and and the father's like oh like you know just focus on the mountaintop okay so so it's very much a father -son relationship and it's almost like dante has regressed right because he's acting a lot more immaturely than before right before it was one of respect uh one of all at virgil now it's just like are we there yet man this is so exhausting and verse is like come on man move it okay all right let's keep on going ### 3:42:39 seg-0528 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0528` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0528](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0528) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13359s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13359s) line 71 1 71 therefore you can see putting your mind to it attentively how that same path which fethan drove so poorly must pass this mountain on the north whereas it skirts mount zion on the southern side i said what's your持 wu's group home to your group that's my name nine people two master surely surely i have never since my intelligence seemed lacking seen as clearly as i now can comprehend that the mid -circle of the heavens motion one of the sciences call it equator which always lies between the sun and winter as you explained lies as far north of here as it lies southward of the site from which the hebrews looking toward the tropics saw it but if it pleased you i should willingly learn just how far it is we still must journey the slope climbs higher than my eyes can follow and he to me the mountains of such sort that ### 3:43:25 seg-0529 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0529` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0529](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0529) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13405s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13405s) climbing it is hardest at the start but as we rise the slope grows less unkind therefore when this slope seems to you so gentle then climbing farther up will be as restful as traveling downstream by boat you will be where this pathway ends and there you can expect to put your weariness to rest i say no more and this i ### 3:43:43 seg-0530 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0530` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0530](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0530) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13423s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13423s) know is true okay so again don is just bitching throughout this right he's like are we there yet i'm so exhausted can we just rest and then virtual is like come on we're almost there um why uh and i don't actually know the answer to this question why is virgil uh and donny why are they spending so much time on trying to geolocate where they are right like they're very explicit about where they are like okay we have the we are the opposite end of jerusalem the stars are like this why would why would um bonnie spend so much time trying to geolocate mount purgatory and i don't actually know the answer yes to like be more accurate while he's ### 3:44:28 seg-0531 - Speaker: SPEAKER_06 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0531` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0531](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0531) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13468s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13468s) writing the poem because he's gonna like teach all of these to the people uh yes you could know where ### 3:44:37 seg-0532 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0532` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0532](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0532) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13477s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13477s) heaven touches the earth i.e the peak of the mountain would be the closest place ### 3:44:42 seg-0533 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0533` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0533](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0533) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13482s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13482s) on earth to heaven yeah i understand that but like purgatory is made up right so i'm trying to figure out why he's trying to be so exact and detailed ### 3:44:55 seg-0534 - Speaker: SPEAKER_02 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0534` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0534](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0534) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13495s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13495s) about where mount purgatory is yes well you're hiking right so um try to memorize all the signs ### 3:45:02 seg-0535 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0535` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0535](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0535) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13502s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13502s) and where things are so that you don't get lost okay i understand that um yes is it just a metaphor ### 3:45:11 seg-0536 - Speaker: SPEAKER_01 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0536` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0536](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0536) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13511s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13511s) for purgatory because purgatory is quite a meticulous place where you have to clean yourselves ### 3:45:18 seg-0537 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0537` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0537](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0537) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13518s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13518s) right right right but i'm trying to figure this out okay i'm trying to figure out why he's spending so much time being so exact and detailed about where he's spending so much time about where mount purgatory is what it looks like what where is in relation to other places what why would he again i don't actually know the answer i'm just asking you this question ### 3:45:38 seg-0538 - Speaker: SPEAKER_10 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0538` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0538](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0538) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13538s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13538s) uh yes maybe dante just uh distrust distrust virgil he's saying maybe he's trying to treat ### 3:45:45 seg-0539 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0539` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0539](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0539) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13545s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13545s) him or well it's virgil who's doing the talking yes maybe virgil is trying to remember it for later when his task with dante is done he gets shoved back to limbo slash hell and he's trying ### 3:45:58 seg-0540 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0540` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0540](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0540) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13558s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13558s) so that's a very optimistic reading of virgil actually yes the way to measure things so because ### 3:46:05 seg-0541 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0541` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0541](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0541) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13565s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13565s) it's about progress you can only progress in what you measure so they're looking at where they are ### 3:46:09 seg-0542 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0542` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0542](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0542) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13569s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13569s) like start with and then progress with it yeah okay right good right so um maybe a possibility is like they're trying to give people a sense of time so like their progress can be tracked okay that's one really strong possibility yes and i don't really answer i'm just like what are possibilities here just use your use your imagination anyone else yes well maybe just for the reader so you can ### 3:46:34 seg-0543 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0543` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0543](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0543) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13594s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13594s) imagine it as detailed as possible and why would that why would that be important i find this to be ### 3:46:49 seg-0544 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0544` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0544](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0544) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13609s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13609s) a treasure map for imagination right because um back to your point about dante starting ushering in renaissance if you look at renaissance paintings there are lots of perspectives and um it's almost like if you want to imagine to the fullest you need to give details a lot of details yes and this is like a treasure map to hey this is how you do it yes and i guess that's why maybe a cultist and you know later people would find this enlightening because literally this is a map to ### 3:47:30 seg-0545 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0545` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0545](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0545) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13650s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13650s) the ultimate treasures yes yes okay like a hiker you probably know the japanese like ### 3:47:41 seg-0546 - Speaker: SPEAKER_05 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0546` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0546](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0546) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13661s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13661s) those are holding down the station and then you keep keeping the room this is not a shame non - Cover which is one of the pilgrimage roads by unesco saying that it's a privilege so you go through the mountains to you know purify your soul and all that the other one is the one uh the route of san diego the compostela which is another trip to um to pilgrimage through the mountains and stuff and so maybe in his idea that like this idea of purgatory purging yourself as you hike or as you pray you know because it's prailim et verse so in urdu you should put it into a you know go on a journey it's not physically metaphorically it's a way to purify yourself ### 3:48:17 seg-0547 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0547` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0547](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0547) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13697s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13697s) just like muslims also go to you know the same okay so um i think that carol's point is very interesting so let's all drop some paintings okay let's look at um medieval european art okay and then we're going to contrast it with renaissance art and see if we can spot the difference it's actually pretty blatant but but we'll do it okay medieval art we'll we'll look at some images okay okay so this is medieval art guys okay all right do you guys see that uh just put it put it in your mind now we're gonna do renaissance art and again the difference is pretty stark what's the difference guys yes go ahead yes so space and time really matter here yes yeah from from two dimensional to three dimensional yes right it's pretty obvious right they put a lot of focus on space and time on depth perception right before it was 2d now it's ### 3:49:20 seg-0548 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0548` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0548](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0548) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13760s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13760s) 3d and anyone else it's a it's a ### 3:49:26 seg-0549 - Speaker: SPEAKER_03 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0549` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0549](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0549) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13766s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13766s) demonstration of imaginative power uh this um to uh convey the force of divine imaginative power you do have to have uh you know very very uh you know deep knowledge about geography but also ### 3:49:43 seg-0550 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0550` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0550](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0550) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13783s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13783s) imagination yes so let's do mathematics of renaissance art let's see what what happens if we do that mathematics of renaissance art yeah so they're using a lot of mathematics with renaissance art right um the um maybe the last supper okay this is divine comedy okay well i mean this is yeah yeah yeah okay but like do you guys see this okay there's a there's a lot more mathematics in renaissance art than there is in medieval art in fact there's really no mathematics in medieval art but but if you at when you look at renaissance art does geometry really matters the symmetry really matters that perception really matters okay and this started because of dante dante is really concerned about mathematics he's really trying he's really concerned about trying to create as much detail as possible in his poetry so that it excites the imagination okay and it makes us yes and also ### 3:51:01 seg-0551 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0551` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0551](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0551) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13861s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13861s) so pretty much every renaissance painting is like a historical moment in time and the medieval paintings were just like bishops and like just portraits but this is like really yeah this really ignites the imagination like you you can like imagine yourself sitting at ### 3:51:18 seg-0552 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0552` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0552](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0552) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13878s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13878s) the table or like right yeah and and why would it accept the imagination as opposed to uh medieval ### 3:51:24 seg-0553 - Speaker: SPEAKER_14 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0553` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0553](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0553) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13884s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13884s) art yes because you're grounding it in something more naturalistic and you're able to see yourself a little bit more and you're able to see yourself a little bit more and you're able to see yourself more and i think the reason he does it in purgatory is because you can kind of go on purgatory a little ### 3:51:35 seg-0554 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0554` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0554](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0554) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13895s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13895s) bit while you're alive in real life exactly you understand okay right so you can actually imagine yourself taking a hike and looking at stars and then that draws you back to the divine comedy and when you read divine comedy you can also pick your you can also as you read this imagine yourself with virgil and dante climbing up mount purportory that's a power of detail and precision again again again guys this is really it's obvious to us now but this is rather it's it's watching it's ### 3:52:07 seg-0555 - Speaker: SPEAKER_15 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0555` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0555](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0555) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13927s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13927s) literally watching a movie yes well i really feel like purgatory is really similar to just earth in general you know like we have a sun we have you know it's really like earth -like as opposed to ### 3:52:20 seg-0556 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0556` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0556](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0556) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13940s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13940s) inferno right and he's trying to make it as earth -like as possible right by by by geolocating it and says like this is actually a real place on on on earth right and so again we're not transitioning from the medieval period to the renaissance period and this is what sparks it because of its huge um humanistic qualities right it's willingness to draw you into the story it's realism so that you feel like mount purgatory is a real place if it's a real place then um it gives you hope right because before you you believed that there was only hell and in heaven and now like no there's a there's a purgatory place and it's a transition into heaven so even if you screwed up as long as you're willing to repent you will go to purgatory and you'll be there for a million years you'll be there thousands thousand years who knows but hey if ### 3:53:11 seg-0557 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0557` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0557](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0557) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13991s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=13991s) your family really loves you you know it won't be as bad okay so it's getting it's almost incentivizing you to live life to the fullest to live a life of love to show kindness generosity and mercy to others right okay and again this is opposite of the indian right where again you're not supposed to show mercy to your enemies you're not supposed to like fall in love you're just you're just supposed to like obey the gods does that make sense guys all right all right let's see 97 and when his words were done another ### 3:53:47 seg-0558 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0558` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0558](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0558) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14027s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14027s) voice nearby was heard to say perhaps you will have need to sit before you reach that point hearing that voice both of us turned around and to the left we saw a massive boulder which neither he nor i before had noticed we made our way toward it and towards the people who lounged behind that boulder in the shade as meant beset by the light of the sun the sun's so listlessness will rest and one of them who seemed to me exhausted were sitting with his arms around his knees between his knees he kept his head bent down oh my sweet lord i said look carefully at one who shows himself more languid than he would have been where laziness his sister then that shade turned toward us attentively lifting his eyes but just above his thigh and said climb then if you're so vigorous then i knew who he was and the distress that still ### 3:54:33 seg-0559 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0559` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0559](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0559) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14073s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14073s) was quickening my breath somewhat did not prevent my going to him and when i had reached him scarcely lifting up his head he said and have you fathomed how the sun can drive his chariot on your left the slowness of his movements his brief words had stirred my lips a little toward a smile then i began from this time on balakwa i didn't i need not grief for you but tell me why do you sit here do you expect a guide or have you not a guide you've fallen into your old ways and he oh brother what's the use of climbing god's angel he who guards the gate would not let me pass through to meet my punishment outside that gate the skies must circle around as many times as they did when i left since i delayed good size until the end unless before then i am helped by prayer that rises from a ### 3:55:21 seg-0560 - Speaker: SPEAKER_08 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0560` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0560](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0560) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14121s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14121s) heart that lives in grace what use are other prayers ignored by heaven and now the poet climbed ahead before me and said it's time see the meridian touched by the sun elsewhere along the ocean night now has set its foot upon ### 3:55:36 seg-0561 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0561` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0561](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0561) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14136s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14136s) morocco okay all right so um we we will conclude uh um today um a reminder tomorrow morning we start at nine o 'clock exactly okay try to come at 8 50 we're very special uh guests we're very honored to have him professor david bromwich who is studying professor of english at um yale um his mentor was harold bloom of course i didn't mention that um and he will come and talk to us about mcbeth he's joining us live from new haven um and then we will have a discussion uh about shakespeare and daunting how they're similar how they're different uh and it'll be a very interesting conversation um so um yeah it'll go on for about an hour and then we'll continue reading purgatory and we'll try to do about 10 okay we have like three days more we have three days left and we'll try to do 10 10 10 okay um so please ### 3:56:36 seg-0562 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0562` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0562](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0562) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14196s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14196s) review what we've learned any questions about about today before we we end any questions guys ask one question then we'll end okay yes uh very general question but do you ### 3:56:55 seg-0563 - Speaker: SPEAKER_09 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0563` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0563](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0563) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14215s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14215s) think uh open and free imagination is compatible with organize organize organizing a society because it seems like once a society reaches a certain amount of people and a level of organization then you need to force people into imagining that your system works that's a great ### 3:57:13 seg-0564 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0564` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0564](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0564) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14233s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14233s) question okay um and quite honestly if dante were alive today he could not possibly understand why we live the way we do right we live in cities of 10 million people beijing is like what 25 million people but no one knows each other and like you're just like you're just like a little cog in the green and like donald would be like what's the point of this existence right what are you guys trying to accomplish with this sort of as existence um back then in italy whatever the issues were at least people knew each other okay and these people had roots at least people knew why they were they were living and um happiness had a purpose right you wanted your community to thrive and now in our world we're just focused all on just material acquisition and as you point out that's a result of mass society okay once your society reaches a certain ### 3:58:09 seg-0565 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0565` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0565](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0565) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14289s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14289s) point your society has to be organized a certain way um you lose your sense of community you lose your sense of identity you are just a um empty soul um you're basically like you're basically a slave really okay i mean like i hate to say this but like are we not slaves i mean i like just the idea of like sending kids to school to learn to read and write so that they get to get a useless degree so that they can go make uses money right i mean like what exactly is the point all right so um as you point out once society reaches a certain number it could be a million it could be two million who knows okay but you're kind of stuck like this and there's no way out of it because uh with this with this amount of people you need bureaucracy and you need hierarchy and you need inequality ### 3:59:01 seg-0566 - Speaker: SPEAKER_13 - Source ref: `video:predictive-history-ssmjknuosac@transcript:v1#seg-0566` - Transcript segment: [https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0566](https://jianglens.com/episodes/predictive-history-ssmjknuosac/transcript/#seg-0566) - Video timestamp: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14341s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSmJKnUOsAc&t=14341s) in order to make the society function there's really a lot around it but it's an interesting question and it's something that I want to discuss at the end of this class right and the question then is if Dante were to come today first of all how would he feel about us and the answer is he'd be pretty disgusted but also what would Dante recommend that we do okay what are some paths forward given the structure of society today so thanks for the question and we'll come back to it um later on okay