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# Dante Livestream #2 (Tuesday, June 16 10AM) transcript

- Source: [Dante Livestream #2 (Tuesday, June 16 10AM)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PscXuHPRWQ8)
- Published: 2026-06-16, day precision
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## Transcript

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okay uh good morning we are uh live um so uh we read your comments yesterday and um there are three concerns the first the major concern is a sound quality so uh carol and our team are fixing that um second is that there are parts of the video missing because of network issues and so what carol and her team are going to do is upload uh um the complete version uh later today or whenever it's ready um and the third issue is um the quality of the resolution the resolution quality unfortunately because it's a live stream we have to lower the resolution in order to make it more smooth but we will upload a higher quality version later on okay so thanks so much to care on our team for making this possible and um um so we are going to continue for the line comedy today but before i begin are there any questions

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or concerns from yesterday uh yes

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so uh yesterday we got to uh canton four and uh five five five and my point is we were like over four and in four i had this a really big question so in canton four uh they show themselves through here not because this is their sphere but as a sign for you that in the inferior their place is lowest so what i take this section to mean is that even though there's no difference in accommodations so like there's a five -star hotel there's a four star hotel and everyone goes to the five -star hotel however there is a difference in prestige so my question is uh if there is no different difference in accommodations then why does god

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divide them into casts of prestige okay great question okay so um first of all we are beyond time and space so everything is together it's complete unity unison okay doesn't make sense that's point one point two is that everyone is with god period that is what it is in reality but to make it comprehensible to dante and to us beatrice has constructed the heavens visually in a hierarchy okay and then what is this hierarchy this hierarchy is the amount of god that you receive in your soul okay so you are all in heaven you're all with god with a certain souls that are able to receive the light of god greater than other souls and that is what the hierarchy is like the closer you are to god the more you are able to receive his light the more you are in communion with god and what differentiates your ability to absorb god is your

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understanding of your relationship with god okay so ricarda is in the lowest sphere because she thinks that she is unworthy of god she is unequal to god therefore she must obey god but that's not what god wants god is all forgiving all generous he wants to come into you and become you so you must welcome him ricarda is like i'm not worthy god i am just a mortal okay and so what's happened is she's placed herself further from god because she thinks she's not worthy enough to be close to the god okay does that make sense okay so that's what it is in reality um but for us to better understand this uh they've constructed a hierarchy of spears and each spear has its own distinct characteristics as we'll see as we go along all right any more questions or

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yes um okay so i was just re -reading um canto one to four and there was a couple of lines in canto two that caught my attention because at least i found them to be very interesting so i'm going to read it out to you guys um so from line 23 to 25 it should be but in a span perhaps no longer than an arrow takes to strike to fly to leave so ideally i think the right order is first for the arrow to leave and then the arrow takes to strike to fly to leave so ideally i think the right order is first for the arrow to the bow to fly and then to strike so why does dante kind of like intentionally reverse this order

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in during this part of the text okay um so first of all we are beyond time and space meaning that what's happening here in maybe our universe is just one second or less than that okay so everything's happening at once um and so he's trying to show you the speed at which things are happening okay okay can you explain that um i actually need i'm i don't have access to the line oh it's in canto two yes from line 23 to uh 25.

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okay line 23 -25 line 23 to 25. okay can you read it again um but in a span perhaps no longer than an arrow takes to strike to fly fly to leave the boat I reached a place where I could see that something wonderful drew me so I'm just like interested why Dante is reversing the order that typically an arrow shoots out from a bowl because it should be first it leaves the bowl then it flies then finally it strikes

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um okay so this is poetry and there are different uh conceptions okay but I think what he what he's doing is he's collapsing time does that make sense to you because as you say the proper sequence of events is you first leave the bowl then you fly then you hit your target right but then he's saying I first hit my target then I fly then I leave so I take this to mean the collapse of time does that make sense to you yes we are we are in a place where time and space has collapsed altogether yeah so there's no time then there's no space right so so there are there are the most basic interpretation is that this is happening so fast that it's beyond perception you understand because because because what we're seeing it's human perception right it's the human logic and and what what he's saying is that this is happening so

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fast it's even beyond my perception but another way to interpret this is it's happening it's beyond your it's beyond your perception because he's collapsing time and space okay that doesn't make sense guys can I offer like a thought um

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yesterday you put on your board where there's a will there's a way and so in a way this reverse order kind of um enunciates the importance of the aim and the goal first and then goes backwards and um yes chronologically it's different but it's the it you know this is inspired by commentary here too it's um kind of how things actually happen because where there's a will there's a way and you start with the goal first the end first yes and then everything else proceeds okay

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that's that's beautiful thank you yes yes okay so again there are multiple explanations right good

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okay yes so I hope that to add to that because um as I was as I was biking home last night I was reading through um a book on Einstein and the narrator connected it to Dante just coincidentally and Einstein's working with space and time and he had this kind of quip that said time is what prevents everything from happening at once and then they said much like Dante's Paradise where everything can and does happen at once it didn't pull that lineup specifically but I think that's

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the answer that Einstein came up with yes um you know I want to add to this point and point out that the greatest scientists um they were first and foremost poets they were the ones who were willing to imagine a new reality people like Newton and Einstein so this is something that we've forgotten where before science was driven by the imagination by intuition by poetry by the occult by by by a desire to be closer to God and now we've broken science into these logical processes that are com materialized that's why honestly for the past 70 years we've accomplished nothing okay we've had no something breakthroughs for these past 70 years okay so thank you for that any more questions

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before we we begin yes this is more of a conceptual question so yesterday you emphasized to us repeatedly the importance of imagination and intuition now according to my limited understanding one of the criticisms of the Middle Ages is that it relied too much on mysticism and unreason so if like almost a representative or a pioneer of the Renaissance which is characterized in opposition to the Middle Ages which must therefore be comprised of reason and light of reason and rationality why is Dante's work why does Dante's work emphasize intuition and imagination in such a

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way okay um so we'll talk about this today um but Dante is very much a revolutionary he's going to influence all his uh time and period and his major concern is that the Catholic Church is involved in geopolitics meaning that the Catholic Church is trying to be the Empire it isn't like that because it obviously creates a lot of problems it creates a lot of Wars um so Donnie's primary concern is that as an Empire the Catholic Church is not focused enough on spirituality not focused enough on mysticism on their code it's more focused on Temple power on getting people to obey them and that's what's limited the imagination of medieval Europe okay so we'll discuss this more this morning but um but does that answer your question for now okay because our conception of the Middle Ages is uh anachronistic okay we're looking at it from our lens okay but in my comedy we're

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seeing it

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from body's lens all right uh question yeah yeah um so oh this so one like overall question maybe for the book as well is um just I I still don't really understand how he came up with all of this like like did he did it came to him like in a dream was it like multiple dreams and that he put them down or yeah like did he just imagine it on this desk like sitting on his desk or like walking in the park or something like I like how was it so and then so in depth as well like I I

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don't understand that okay so there are two major themes today the first major theme is Dante's Revolution against the Catholic Church okay what are what are his concerns about the Catholic Church and what is he trying to change about the Catholic Church okay that's the first major concern it's like a major concern is how did he write this because this is a time without computers this is a time where pen and paper are not that accessible okay and he published it um he published first the Inferno in the Purgatory and then Paradise but you read the Divine Comedy it is pretty coherent okay it's almost like he first wrote everything down then he uh shaped um the uh all three parts to be coherent to get the flow seamlessly but we know for a fact that's how it happened so the major question is how are you able to even before you write anything down

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how are you able to structure in a way that is mathematically perfect right so something that we will not probably discuss but something that we should discuss more is the mathematics the numerology of the Divine Comedy okay so there are three sections the first section is 34 contours second section is 33 third section is 33. that's a hundred also the number 33 has a lot of occult meaning because 33 is the age when Jesus died okay um 33 has a lot of occult um significance so this is like really weird how is a person able to even before you wrote anything down mathematically concede the entirety of the Divine Comedy and this is something that we will address throughout these two weeks because it's really a question of what really is our connection to the Divine okay so something that I will argue to you today is that Dante could have only written this if

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God exists okay if God doesn't exist and Ren randomness randomness is what rules the universe there's no way he could have written this it makes absolutely no sense only if he is able to channel God the monad the source whatever you call it is he able to write this down okay and um when we really try to understand the Vine Comedy you will see that within it is Divinity itself okay okay so so so this is a question that I'm going to ask you this question that is the fundamental question we're trying to address these next two weeks okay but thank you for that any more questions before we begin okay good okay so yesterday we left off with uh Picarda and the the Picarda presents an extremely complex more dilemma she did nothing wrong right she loved God she married God by being a nun then her brother who is a Duke or Prince

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I forget actually he needs her in order to create a military alliance so he steals her from the convent and marries her off and again she did nothing wrong but she ends up in the low sphere of Paradise okay so she's in heaven but it's a furthest from God and Don is like this makes no sense she definitely right she definitely the Catholic church told you she followed her heart and she ends up the furthest from God and what we said is it's because she did not actually practice her will she did not show her true faith in God right and there are many things she she had done she had ran away she had threatened her cure so she could um and so there were many things she could have done okay now is go deeper into this uh story and show you how complex it is all right and then we I want

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us to use our imagination or intuition to figure out what the proper choice would have been all right so so let me explain the um situation okay all right so so let me set up for you Ricardo has made a vow to God I'm going to marry you God um and what Beatrice tells us is that making a vow is a very serious thing making a promise a very serious thing because the greatest gift God has given you is your free will when you choose to surrender your free will as a gift to God there's really nothing you can do to compensate for breaking this vow okay so Ricardo the issue is that she has a vow to God all right now her brother and again I don't know if this is historically true but I'm going to create a scenario for you guys okay her brother has a friend and the two are trying

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to conquer Italy together and they're in a battle okay and before this battle the brother says to the friend you know the Picardy brother if we win this battle I God that I will give you my sister as a bride okay so it's another vow right and they win the battle so that's that's a situation right Picarda has run off to a nunnery her brother is like oh okay I swore to God that I would give my sister as a bride therefore I'm obligated by God to do whatever I can to get her back okay right because I I made a vow to God so now let us think deeply okay and say let's say for whatever reason both Picarda and her brother have true faith in God meaning they will do whatever they can to ensure they do not break their vow to God what if I can to get her back because I

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made a vow to God I swore to God to God right so here we have Picarda saying you know what I am on the roof if you come and get me from the nunnery I will go jump off the roof and kill myself I don't care what the catholic church says yes I know it is the greatest in the world to commit suicide I understand that but my vow to God is greater than the catholic church okay and then the brother's like well Picarda I also made a vow to God and God has given me victory in battle and therefore I cannot betray God God has already given me the gift of victory in battle so I must give you to my friend okay so now what we're going to do is we're going to use your imagination and intuition to figure out how first of all how this will play out but also what

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is the proper or right choice okay so here Picarda is like you know what if you come and get me I'm

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gonna kill myself what's the brother gonna do personally I think assuming that the brother has true belief in God I think this hypothetical is a little bit weird because as you mentioned before our free will is our most precious gift from God and only the only person you can promise you can surrender your free will to is the person who you love. who gave it to you as in god however the brother here is playing god the brother here is presuming on behalf of another to take away her free will i know that in the catholic church a wife swears obedience to her husband upon marriage but this is the catholic church this is not dante's god so how dare this brother who has true belief in god presume to strip hers his sister of her free

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will um okay okay i understand but like let's just play this game okay let's just first use our imagination and play out this story okay let's imagine we're writing a movie all right and this makes a great movie by the way so ricardo is like i'm gonna kill myself what would the brother do

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well i think definitely his her brother gonna save him because because the brother have a commitment with his friends heading to win the battle so i believe in order to win the win the war the brother will not allow her sister to die that is why his her brother gonna save picardo if she wants to suicide no no no she's

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already dead like oh she's already dying i'm saying like you come into the comment i'm gonna choke myself i'm gonna throw myself off the roof i'm gonna kill myself how how can he possibly he possibly save her okay all right so here what he's gonna do now is say you know what picardo i'm gonna kidnap our mother i'm gonna kill her unless you come on the comrade and then my friend right that's something he

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would do yeah why couldn't he just marry his own daughter or like another sister because he made a

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vow right he said before this battle if we he's saying this to his friend i swear to god if we win this battle i will give you my sister picardo as your bride okay so he's already made this vow so we are now now the situation is the duke presents their mother okay and says hey for carna you rather come down here now i'm gonna cut off her head

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right he he go gets another brother no no um picarda go gets their father and then says

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if you kill our mother i will kill our father okay guys this is not how it works okay so now it seems like ricardo has no choice right because i mean to kill yourself is one thing but to end up killing yourself and your mother is something you cannot possibly do so what she does now is surrender right but if

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she believes in the will of god and if she has will she if she has faith that god is standing on her side she'll have faith that her mother won't die so she'll still be standing on top okay let's

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just say she has complete faith in god the correct choice would be to surrender why okay because it's

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not just her it's her it's her mother so if it's just her it's her choice to make but if it's her mother then okay

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okay so this is hard okay but i want you guys to imagine this it's really hard but what's happened is the brother says you either surrender ricardo i will cut off our mother's head carter's like

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fine i surrender what happens to the friend now i think i think he'll feel really bad about it and maybe just like can he withdraw from the vow and be like i think so you from the vow i think if

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you're that friend it's very hard to go through the marriage right

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yes because what does the friend want to do at first he just wanted to get married but now he's like why do you want to get married uh for alliance yeah for power right yeah okay so so if

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you are a person helping on power and you see the scenario you're like screw this i'm not getting

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married why would you do that because you're not gaining power you're losing you're losing all the power why not just that but it's you're breaking that family apart you're breaking that family apart i guess yeah you're not actually forming the alliance that you want what would the people think

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of you uh the mother slayer yes and what would what your soldiers think of you yeah yeah cool yeah okay so it's really interesting how you use your imagination intuition you just play this out

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okay yeah but does the friend have a moral obligation to not go through with this like is it would it be a moral thing to do right so that

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is a moral dilemma right because they've already made a vow to each other that if we win this battle then i will marry picarda right okay so so this is the point the point is nothing in life is as simple as it seems there's complexity okay and this is a question like given this hard choice what do you believe to be right choice and and how do you come to this choice and what dante is saying is just your faith in god will lead you to the right choice right so ricarda cannot possibly map out what's going to happen so part of this is like i know it is wrong for me to break my vow to god and if i break this vow to god is worse than my own life okay so that's her faith and the brother is like no i've already made this promise to my friend before god i cannot

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break this vow and therefore i have no choice but to up the ante right to gamble basically he's not gonna he's not really gonna kill his mother right and picarda knows in this situation where my mother's life is being threatened i have no choice but to surrender because obviously my brother is so power hungry he's he's willing to destroy the whole world right so this is a very important question because if this happens then god intervenes and implants ideas into people and the friends like screw this this time is crazy i probably don't want to get involved all right you understand so the idea that tante's the idea that this thought experiment shows us is you can never ever truly strategize you can never ever truly map things out okay best guide is your intuition your best guide is your faith and your will and then things will naturally manifest the way you want them

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to manifest okay uh yes um does that mean

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so does that mean that if as long as you have the faith in you uh whatever you do um the god will

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will lead you to the result okay as long as you have faith God will give you what you want as long

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as you have the faith in you um uh the the things you do and the God God will lead you to the right

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answer um okay so in Dante in life there are no easy answers okay if I were to say to you how faith in God everything worked out that's irresponsible that's the wrong way to proceed things okay the major idea is that the world is extremely complex and often in life it's better to trust your intuition than to trust your logic it doesn't make sense your intuition comes from your connection to God which is an expression of your faith in God okay so when you say have faith in God what it's really saying is have faith in yourself have faith in your intuition do what you believe is right okay uh yes since we're on the topic of hypotheticals

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I would like to know if it's possible to be put into a situation where you have to betray a vow you made to God because you love God so for example say there is this monk who swore never to kill and right there there is a man uh who is invincible to everyone except the monk like you know how hypotheticals work by this point and he's about to push a button that would destroy God so what will you do as a monk you love God so much you don't want God to be destroyed so you kill the

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man and you break your route is a situation like this possible okay so the answer to this is what do you think is the right thing to do

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so my question also just like her you know I think our people have their own perspective you can believe your own God I believe my God but it's their possibility that God is Almighty God it means that it is truth everyone just for to looking forward to the one truth or is this people have their own you know imagination so this is my question so is there kind of Almighty God there or just the God which is our existence in individually you know okay so in the Divine

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Harmony um the God that presented is not the God of the Bible it's not the God that you know okay this is it this is in um platonic philosophy what is called a monad the source the center okay the soul of the universe we will go into what this God is later on okay okay so I'm not okay so what's really important is to appreciate that great poetry excites the imagination. It raises questions for us to ponder. And whatever problem arises, ultimately, you can't say, hey, what would, you know, my parent want me to do? What would the Catholic church want me to do? You have to look inside your heart and ask yourself, what does my heart want me to do? And that's often in life, your best guide to the answer. Okay, does that make sense, guys?

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Yeah. So a follow -up question. Since you said in relation to my hypothetical that you should act as what you think to be right, then we assume that the monk acted in what he thinks is right, and he killed the man betraying his vow. However, because he acted in the way that he thinks is right, he still has the right to do what he thinks is right. So what do you say? So what you are saying right now is Picarda's actions don't matter that much. She only has to forgive herself and rationalize her actions. Because if she rationalizes her actions as an act of love to God, then she would be able to ascend beyond her lowest fear. Is that what you're saying?

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Okay, so there is a fundamental error in your logic. And the fundamental error is that it is up to us to be able to rationalize away our sins. Okay. That's what you're assuming. We have the power to think away what we've done, or rationalize away what we've done. Okay. And we don't. And it's hard. It's a hard concept to understand. Okay. Because you think that, okay, these people in history, they're not going to do what they're going to do in history, who killed millions of people, people like Stalin, people like Hitler, people like Genghis Khan, right? Well, logically, they did what they did, because they felt it was right. I have to save my people, I have to make my people happy. And that's why I need to start these wars. Okay. That's what we think they think. But what? So in today's literature, what you recognize is that there are many different dimensions to the soul.

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Okay. And maybe on the surface, you can lie to yourself. But in your heart, in your true self, you know exactly what the truth is. Okay. Okay. So, like, because you're using logic, you're using philosophy. And sometimes it doesn't get you anywhere. So, so, so, I will leave you with this idea, which is, do you know what happens when people take psychedelics, or when they have near -death experiences, or they do meditation? Do you know what happens? Okay. The thing that happens is you are able to ascend to a level where you're able to see yourself from the lens of a person you've hurt. Does that make sense? You're able to see yourself when you die, or you're near -death, the totality of the pain you've caused the world. Okay. It's pretty amazing. But people who do psychedelics, ayahuasca, people who have near -death experiences, they all say this. When this happens

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to you, when you actually ascend, when you leave your corporal body, the first thing that happens is something called a life review, where you're able to see once and for all, all the totality of the pain you've caused other people, even that cat you kicked. Okay. You can see it. And you're like, wait a minute, I don't even remember I kicked the cat. No, you're able to see it. Okay. All right. Does that make sense? So, just because you think something doesn't mean it's all you're able to think. Okay?

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Wait professor. So that, so does, do you mean that like, if I, imitate enough like I'll be able to kind of like foresee the future and see who will win like the 26th World Club Cup or something I don't accept that oh uh Professor uh do you mean that is kind

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of butterfly effects it means that I do something but I don't mean to to do something for other people for example maybe I just fell out with a girl but I don't know there's another girl who

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doesn't love me too so it's it's gotta hurt so let me rephrase it in a way okay um is everything you do is being recorded by the universe there is an eternal memory of what you do in the universe and this eternal memory is stored inside you as well and even though you don't know this even though you don't remember anything when you die after you die this eternal memory will be revealed to you in its totality the question for you is do you want to when you actually see this all this recording of your life and you see all the pain you've caused other people do you want to deal with that okay and this is a truth that's embedded in all religions and this is something that is also uh embedded in the divine comedy all right so this is something that we will discuss later on but I want you to remember

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this idea everything you do you do first of all it's being recorded in by the universe second of all everything you do impacts the universe in a certain way okay so if you live a good life this brings happiness to universe if you live a bad life it brings sadness to universe

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uh sorry I have questions so I'm curious about the relationship between this kind of memories and uh physical materials and matters where's your memory stored uh physical material yeah where's your memory stored sorry in brain are you sure uh uh I I am pretty sure have you talked to the neuroscientist yeah uh yeah actually I choose in philosophy of cognitive science okay someone Google

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for me what evidence do we have that memories are stored inside the human brain we have nothing Google um evidence that the memories are stored inside the brain okay can you just read it Carol no okay

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um memories memories are not video recordings stored in a single file instead they're encoded by altering the physical connections synapses between neurons when you learn something new neurons form stronger or newer connections through a process called long -term potentiation anyway NIH researchers uncover how the human brain separates da da da where are memories stored in the brain memories aren't stored in just one part of the brain different types are stored across different

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we don't know okay this is all Sonic garbage for like we don't know most basic questions like where

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are your memory stored we don't know yeah um technically we do know uh so um so there's this very famous case of this person called HM he had his hippocampus was um damaged and so he no longer had long -term memory and so to some extent through animal psych experiments we can understand that memories at least the function of memory is supported by the hippocampus in relation with the Cortex okay so that example that case study shows us that cannot access long -term memory.

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Does that make sense? It does not prove that he no longer has long -term memory. It just means that he lacks access to his long -term memory, right?

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It's that he was not able to form long -term memories.

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No, but I'm saying like, how do you know for sure he's not able to form long -term memory? It shows us he cannot access long -term memory, and it could be because he cannot form long -term memory, but it could also mean that there's a disconnection between his long -term memory and his consciousness, right?

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So I have further questions. If we assume that the memory is not stored in the brain, so what's the physical realizers of memory? Or if memory doesn't necessarily need just physical realizers, so what's the relationship between memories and physical materials? Okay, so there have been recent neuroscientific studies that argue that our memory, our consciousness is stored inside the universe, okay?

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So think of the internet, and our brains are just smartphones that access the internet. So our memories are stored on the cloud, and what our brains do is it accesses the cloud, yes?

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But how would you possibly explain the fact that, say, a person who can form long -term memory before, but he's getting older and older, and he got a part of his hippocampus degraded, and then he forgot a lot of things. He even forgot who he was. And how could you explain how hippocampus, like a specific region in the brain, is not related to your memory?

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So you have a computer, right? When you buy the computer, the internet connection is very smooth. You can download things really fast, right? Over time, as you use it more and more, the connection becomes worse and worse, because it's an old computer.

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It's the hard, like the hard drive in the computer was broken, or like just with

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war with time. Right, and there are different types of memory, right? There's memory you can store in your computer. There are memories you can store on the cloud. There are memories you can access through other parts, right?

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And I want to add up to the psychedelic question you raised before. So it's a chemical compound that actually, I studied neuroscience in college. It actually hits a certain receptor in your brain that caused like a downward signaling effect that makes you meditate, makes you trip and all that. And this is a very physical or like chemical thing. But now you said the memory is not about this material thing, but rather related to the universe or some more spiritual kind of realms. How would you explain the differences?

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So first of all, they're different psychedelics, right? And what is interesting is depending on a psychedelic, you have different experiences. So for example, if you're on ayahuasca, you'll see like demons and spirits floating around you.

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Like the entities. Yeah, I've heard of that. But the majority of psychedelics, they actually hits the similar regions or like, at least the, like maybe they share 70 % of the same like 5HT2A receptors in your brain. That's the serotonin thing it hits. And yeah, there are lots of different like psilocybin, like LSD and all that. But the effects are more similar than they're different. Would you agree?

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Okay, so again, what's happening is that you're looking at the hardware issues, and you completely ignore the software. Does that make sense? you're like okay okay this connection this fiber optic connection um you are analyzing it and detailing it how it works but who cares what what what matters is the information you're downloading why are you able to download certain information when you take a certain psychedelic and the argument is that our brains exist in order to anchor ourselves to this material world and we have to believe that this material world is what's real because if you just do if your brain just can do whatever it wants and it's able to access all the information on the internet the your computer's going to explode right yeah so your computer has to be strategic about what information it um absorbs in order to navigate the world right ultimately you have to survive you have to

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like get food you have to like get along with other people you have to have sex you don't have children right yeah and this is what yeah so so your brain is strategic in how it absorbs information and then how it actually perceives this information yes or say it filters out a lot of

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information but 99 of all information yeah and when you take psychedelics it actually like reopened the gate of receiving more information so you're now able to see all these different forces

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at work including spiritual forces and also your ego is shut shutting down right exactly and so your ego shut down and so you're able to see it from a more objective lens okay does that make sense so that that you would say is actually more objective okay the point i will make is that the period we're living in today in the year 2026 in china it is a unique period in human history you go back to most of human history okay most cultures were animistic shamanistic meaning it was just assumed that there are ghosts and spirits all around you

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you know like trees have spirits and animals have serbs but now we just use that as resources for our own ease right do you understand it's just weird to me how for

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the vast majority of human history we just assume that the universe is conscious that there is a god that there are spirits all around us they manipulate manipulate us okay and like for the past 50 years we're like no it's just us and that's it and we don't we don't know how consciousness this works we have absolutely no idea where memories are stored uh yes uh i want to add a

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comment so if the brain uh if the memory is stored in the hardware is stored in the brain as a hardware um there should be a upper limit but actually there's not a upper limit exactly so

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we cannot possibly explain how we're able to have these conversations right like if in fact that the brain is like a computer and there are synapses then there should be a limit to the storage of the memory right but we know for a fact that there's certain people who can memorize paradise lost and recite it there are people who can memorize divine comedy and recite it excuse me right yeah right and and then we also know the human brain is able to take tremendous leaps of imagination which if if it were to translate into a computer would require a lot of time and a lot of time and a lot of time and a lot of time and a lot of time and a lot of like entire worlds of computer that processing power in order to make the imaginary leaps that

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we make right that's why i think a full reductionist view of the human brain and that the relationship between the physical and spiritual is um not not ideal because yeah we i i mean i study neuroscience i know uh like the something about the brain but but like we still cannot just um just like give up the the spiritual part about it

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so so again i go back to divine comedy okay if god doesn't exist i have no idea how this was written if god does not exist i don't know how this was written i just don't how could one man over the course of 20 years without any computers by himself okay like literally by himself in his room he's able to conceive all this and then almost a thousand thousand thousand years later we're able to sit down together and read it and understand completely what he's trying to convey and not only that but we find what he's trying to convey beautiful and truthful how does that work uh professor uh is that possible

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that just like people right now just get smoking get drinking the weak thing or even the marijuana which just can inspire people to get high so that they can make a good use of their brain for other people maybe a number of people they could only have 30 percent of their brain but you can just make use of about 100 percent or maybe is it possible okay all right so

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um i mean the reality is that we don't have a dante in his age when we have access to all the world's information when we have unlimited wealth i mean compared to dante we're all kind of stupid i don't understand how this works okay all right so so let's let's continue the divine comedy okay one one last comment and then

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we'll continue the divine comment okay so i think uh in this discussion i think it's really important to separate the inside from the outside so if you're talking about the inside if you're talking about the literary genius of the divine comedy then i absolutely agree with what you said i think it's an amazing work and i think if you're talking about god in the context of the divine comedy then i absolutely agree with everything you said about divine inspiration however if you're going to take this to uh outside if you're going to take this to our present day if you're going to take this to our brains our neural plus plasticity then i have to say that i am not convinced by your arguments because i personally do not believe in god and because many others do not believe in god and i think it's kind of it's kind of weird that we're trying to

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take an argument from divine comedy outside into our present -day science okay so this is a class um

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of speculation of inquiry of debate okay so um you can believe whatever you want all right anyway let's let's continue okay uh carol could you can you read please

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sure um we're picking up at kanto 5 line 43 um paradise two things are of the essence when one bows a sacrifice the matter the matter of the pledge and then the formal compact there you are yes amen amen amen amen amen amen no sin but let but let none shift the burden on his shoulder through his own judgment without waiting for the turning of the white and yellow keys and let him see that any change is senseless unless the thing one sets aside can be contained in one's new weight as four and six thus when the matter of a vow has so much weight and worth that a tip every scale no other weight

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can serve as substitute okay so the idea here is that take your vows seriously so in our book the human condition henna around said that there are two actions okay that make us fundamentally human there are two things that we do that we can all do that make us fundamentally human the first is to make promises okay because when you make promises what you're doing is you're making promises to make promises to make promises to make promises to make promises bonding yourself to another person but you're also bonding yourself to the future you are imagining together a future okay does that make sense so making promises is a very very serious thing that only humans can do and which expresses our humanity but then there's another thing that we do that makes us fully human and which expresses our humanity do you guys know what it is number one is to make promises what's the

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other bringing promise is not a good thing but but that's half the answer swear huh swear that's that's making a promise what's the other thing that makes us truly human which expresses our humanity which uplifts our humanity language speaking love the animals can speak animals can love art and imagination uh no what yeah i i would have said to create things no there's there's something else that's that makes us uniquely self -reflection self -reflection yeah maybe language like a developer an action guys think of an action that you do with people not by yourself but with other people the first to make promises right making promises to affirm your individuality with another person and to imagine a better future

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maybe to lie but it doesn't uplift but it's something that humans yeah lying is a bad thing

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something that is truly divine that we that we can do can i say yes sacrifice uh sacrifice

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what do you mean by that um the giving of oneself for another person's good but

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inconveniencing and potentially hurting oneself okay all right that's close but it's actually much more interesting specific from that okay okay something good okay all right all right i mean it's something that happens every day right so for example um we're walking on the streets okay i don't see you i'm i'm walking really fast so i bump into you and you fall down right and i say i'm sorry you apologize okay and you forgive you understand these are the two things that truly human to make promises and to forgive each other for breaking promises or for making mistakes okay so this is a really important idea because you ask yourself what makes a good society what makes a just and happy society and it's these two things if people feel empowered to make promises and if people feel empowered to forgive each other because often guys it's hard to forgive each other then this is a

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good just moral divine society okay does that make sense all right so um we as humans should strive to create a society in which we can make promises and we can forgive each other okay all right um so making promise is a very big thing and what features are saying is that sometimes you make a promise that is so valuable that you can never compensate for it okay and the example she uses picarda makes a promise to god okay and there's something she could do to compensate for this but she also recognizes that nothing in your universe is absolute and so she's going to um explain that the situation is much more complex than we think okay can you can you can you can you read please sure um paradise canto 5 line 64.

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let mortals never take a vow in jeth be faithful and yet circumspect not rash as jephthah was in offering his first gift he should have said i did amiss and not done worse by keeping faith okay okay

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this is really interesting okay does anyone know who jetfa is okay all right so let me tell the story of jetfa this isn't a bible and it's in the book of judges okay and jetfa he's obviously a leader of the israelites okay the leader of the israelites and he goes to war he goes to battle and he says dear god i swear to you if i win this battle if you let me win this battle i will give you as an offering the first person to walk in my door okay right he's made this vow to god and according to beatrice if you make this vow to god you must keep it who's the first person so he wins this battle okay and who's the first person that walks in the door in his house you guys know his daughter his daughter he's completely screwed now right so what does he do according to the

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bible well yeah she he kills the daughter okay according to features is this good or bad no it's not a gray area what did she say what did she literally say and and what you should have said i did a

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mess and not done worse by keeping faith

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he should have broken the vow she said wake that vow man i don't care if you make that out of god you get to kill your daughter don't keep that vow man so this is a paradox right someone someone helped me understand this paradox it would seem that

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like uh picarda has ended up in the bottom level of heaven because she's she had fear in her vow so she didn't she didn't plead her vow with 100 total faith and so here he's he's putting himself in in some sort of lower level or even maybe out of heaven i'm not sure but he's never going to get the higher levels of heaven because he's he's not taking his vows seriously but it was a vow that he could never commit um it seems to be jebed no no no

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so jeff is a reference okay and she she's explaining to dante um take your vows seriously and don't be like jetta but that's a paradox because jeff did take his vows seriously right so someone explained to me the the reasoning here do you understand it's a paradox she said take your vows seriously and don't be like jetta who did take his vows seriously uh yes

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you then you okay yes i think taking it seriously is understanding the the weight of the vows you make that when you make a vow you you know taking vows seriously and don't simply make the wrong vow and make the vows in haste okay

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yes yeah i agree it's the same

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it doesn't it doesn't help me understand the paradox here

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there's a paradox yes so what i'm trying to say is i think that god uh god instituted all this understanding into us so that we will be able to follow his rules so as i mentioned before like the first time when we when we were doing the hypothetical about picarda i mentioned that if you truly believe in god then you should truly respect god's gifts and you should truly respect god's most precious gift which is free will so maybe god instituted this understanding into us so that we will be able to not make promises such as this it's like it's like prevention it's like a vaccine it's like a prevention shot is that possible i still don't understand

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what you're trying to say explaining to the paradox where peter said take your vows seriously and don't be like jetta who took his vows too seriously it's a paradox uh sorry we uh you you first could this be like a job at the catholic church yeah well everything donnie does is a jam at the catholic church but but yeah

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can you explain well just saying that obviously there was jetta from the from the bible and the he obviously followed through with this vow but used sort of zero uh circumstance circumspect and rationality to look back and realize that it's wrong and maybe he's just not at the time of writing a lot of religious people would have taken more that view but he's showing

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that you need to sort of have more tact okay uh yes well my answer would be that um hannah aaron said that like the first thing is what makes us human is to make promises and then the second thing was to forgive forgive ourselves and this is probably to forgive ourselves is more important than making promises so what jeff should have done is just forgive himself forgive himself for

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breaking the promise yes that's right so that's what beatrice wants like this jeff you did make a promise but you did it and you did it rashly right so just forgive yourself and not kill your daughter man yes so i think that we should understand this by looking at like

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all the three works of dante because like i read it infernal first and i think that in infernal if you uh commit like treachery against kin that's not just you know murder and that's that that doesn't mean that you just belong to the seventh circle you gotta put like way lower yes so um i think that this is kind of what beatrice is kind of saying so like compared to breaking a vow like if you kill your daughter you're gonna end up like farther away from god you're gonna end up in hell well if you break maybe a promise you will probably end up like picarda so that is still much better than ending up in hell

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but why is treachery so bad why why would treachery be worse than breaking a vow to god i think it's

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like the violence of it all and also because they are like your own flesh and blood so you know that

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would be kind of gruesome so um so so let's do the hypothetical where okay the problem is that jetfa um had to kill the daughter okay let's just say okay the person coming in the door is not the daughter but the ant now it's okay right now it's okay because it's not the thought it's the end

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let's kill the end i think he would if he would kill the ant then like he would probably still end up like in the seventh circle or lower i think so as well okay so so now it's like it's not the end it's the neighbor that's that's okay now right no actually actually in inferno if you kill your neighbor you also have to kill your neighbor you have to kill your neighbor you have to kill your

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okay you're still bad okay let's give you the daughter okay how about i don't know stranger yeah the stranger that's still murder that's still so no matter who he kills okay he's still going to hell right so so what's going on here you say flesh and blood but it's not flesh and blood and it's not treachery but it's because it's not it's a stranger yeah but in this case

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because it's flesh and blood that's why it's so bad that's why he is like the key example that i understand but i'm saying like let's just switch

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and say it's not the daughter let's just say it's a complete stranger is it okay now okay all right okay so this is hard okay okay so what i'm gonna do now is i'm i'm gonna present a hypothetical okay and let's just say i um i have a wife and i love my wife okay my wife says to me if you truly love me you will go steal a million dollars from the bank so i can buy a porsche okay this is just hypothetical my wife would never do that what's my response now if you truly love me you go and steal a million dollars from the bank and buy me a porsche

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is it possible about the sabotage i mean just you love me so have you do something for me is it kind of the excuse is because you want to take control over you is it possible what is my

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proper response so you're saying my response should be you know what um i'll go rob a bank and buy some jewelry is like what's my proper response you should say if you really love me

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and you can't force me to to buy for you to buy something for you

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okay okay all right all right okay so so this is really key to understanding donnie okay so my wife says to me if you truly love me you will go rob a bank and buy me a porsche right or go start a business and make a billion dollars and so you think i should go go and make a billion dollars to show my wife show my love my love to my wife does that feel right to you what's the right thing for me to to do here yeah because it's

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to investigate why she would make such a request and try to get to the truth of it all yeah so i

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asked her like do you really want to do it just yes i really want you to do it i'm still stuck right maybe just

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yeah sorry who okay maybe just leave her i should leave her yeah because that that does mean that she doesn't actually love you because the real love is unconditional yeah actually yeah yeah

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it's like i'm probably gonna hold a similar opinion maybe we just leave her because uh because like based on the plot of escape theory like you mentioned in the in the video and i think if she just cannot know what happens beyond the mirror then and we never can wake up a person that do not want to be awake you know so we will possibly just leave her and find someone else

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that we have like similar similar opinion yes yes yes uh yes i was just saying you'd say no yes okay all right so all right this is hard okay but the right decision the right course is is just to walk away from her right because the logic is this if she's making you this request like if you truly love me go steal me a million dollars right well first of all she doesn't love you right she can't possibly love you if she's making this request because if you go rob a bank they're going to put you in prison right you're not going to get them you're not going to go by the car you're going to go to prison okay that's number one number two is if she doesn't love you you right you being with her is wrong you understand so you should just let her you truly love her you should let her

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go find someone who's right for her does that make sense okay so this goes back to this case where zepha is saying i love god so much that i'm willing to give him my first daughter and god's like that's not what i want man i don't want this crap from you you understand so what faith is is first and foremost understanding the nature of god you understand god is first and foremost love and when you kill your daughter you it's an act of treachery which degrades love in the universe so you are not obeying god you're betraying god you understand does that make sense if my wife would say go rob a bag to give me a million dollars okay i have to say to her no it's because i love you that i'm not going to do this if i go rob the bank it's only because i want to possess you it's only

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because i want to control you and that's an act of betrayal of love okay it doesn't make sense okay so the paradox can only be resolved if you understand that the nature of god is love itself and because god is love itself because god loves you unconditionally god would never ever ask you to hurt someone or betray yourself it doesn't make sense and so when you make this vow i promise you god that if i win this battle i will i will kill the first person who walks in the door god's gonna ignore you okay you understand i don't care no one cares if you make this promise god doesn't care if you make this promise god's just gonna ignore you because it came through rashness it was because you don't understand god okay you don't understand god there's no connection there's no way you can make this vow yes and that's exactly what i

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mean

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what i meant to say so if you truly understand god that you would never make such about it's like a vaccine god has put it put out put in us the understanding that we would not make such a vow that's the vaccine to prevent us from something doing something like this okay yeah but then why do people make these vows because because they have not taken the vaccine because because they have not been in contact with god therefore such a vow is ungodly

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how do they break their connection to god by understanding themselves

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more fully like like i said god made provisions for us and it's up to us to discover these provisions it's up to us to make ourselves his vessel is that what you're saying no no i'm saying

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like how did we lose our connection to god you're saying we lost our connection to god but how do we lose it because why would we lose it it makes that no it makes no sense like because we have

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free will as you mentioned before whether or not to lose our connection to god how did why did

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jaffa make this make this vow why did jeffa make this vow what's the reason yes i think he was in

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the really hard to win battle and he wanted god to really help him you wanted power yeah you understand

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yeah he wanted power and that's what you moved him away from god you understand when you want power when you want worldly power that's what severes connection to god you've always had it but you lose it when you want power okay all right uh can you can you read uh carol can i can i ask

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before we move on so life seems to be fraught with minefields of vows that people can make on your behalf so we've got picard his brother has made a vow on her behalf and i understand she ends up in the bottom level of heaven essentially because she had 90 faith instead of 100 faith and she was a bit fearful but so jephthah's daughter is uh has this vow essentially bestowed upon her and you said that god ignores vows when they're made incorrectly like like sinfully or ungodly or getting the wording wrong but that there is some connection here with picarda and her brother because the vow was made for power there as well and her place in heaven suffers because of this whole seemingly situation so i guess maybe my my question is getting toward like where would jeff's daughter be in the hierarchy of would she end up in the inferno because submitting to

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her father's death would be like a form of suicide i mean is that much of a question

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yes okay so um sorry why would jepha be inferno and not in paradise do you guys know why okay yeah i i say a question okay but like first my first question is do you guys know where jeffa would be in inferno he's actually not uh so where would jeffa be in in in in divine comedy which which level inferno purgatory or um paradise but why inferno did you kill the spirit of god or did you kill her brother and kill the spirit of god? daughter no he's actually infernal because he's not a christian okay uh he's infernal because um he was born before the time of jesus therefore he could not become a christian therefore he cannot access heaven okay that's point one point two is where would jeff's daughter be you guys know purgatory why purgatory and not anyone else um i mean following that logic

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um has not known jesus but um not knowing how she has acted in her own life i'm just assuming that she has not killed anybody else and so this is um she was killed against her presumably against her own will and even if it's her will she was the victim yes who's the hero of the story

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who's the hero of the story if you read the bible who's the hero of the story

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the daughter the daughter but why the daughter um because she understands the importance of the vow she wants to keep it despite that she has to sacrifice herself yes okay if you read the bible

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it's clear the daughter who is the hero of the story because she was willing to sacrifice herself to ensure her father keeps keeps about right because if you read the hebrew bible the worst thing you can do is not give your vow to uh god uh so she would actually be in paradise does that make sense so this is a this is a paradox of divine comedy where there's a rule that if you're not a christian you are not you can't be in paradise you can only be in purgatory or in inferno but because of the nobility of her sacrifice she gets elevated to paradise okay right and so it doesn't largely make sense but it makes intuitive sense does that make sense yes

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part where you said the sacrifice

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the daughter made a sacrifice okay the story is this okay the story is that jepha to win a war because he's leader of the israelites okay and israelites have lots of enemies uh because it's the middle east right and they win this battle um but before the battle jepha says if i win this battle i swear to god i will offer a sacrifice whoever walks in my door okay he makes his vow he goes home the first to walk in the door is his daughter now he's screwed okay because either you kill your daughter or you defy god right so he is completely ugly screwed so what the daughter says is father let me make my own offering let me sacrifice myself willingly so that it absolves you of the guilt of killing me and it allows you to fulfill um um your promise to to to god and why this is worthy of paradise

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is it is an act of love because it is completely selfless you understand right and when you commit acts of love you are elevated to uh paradise okay is that clear guys so you mean willingness is the necessary

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if it can be you know up level into the paradise excuse me the willingness because you said that if you will to die it means that you can go to paradise is that what you mean no no i just said

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a selfless act of love is what elevates you to paradise not the will not the desire but the action itself that's driven by the will and desire yes but there should be acts of love before christianity that's why she's in heaven she's not a christian she's a hebrew she doesn't believe in jesus but if god you could put her anywhere god would put her in paradise okay in fact when we read what you'll discover is there are quite a few pagans in paradise okay so this is subversive because the rule is unless you're a christian you can't go to paradise you read divine comedy there are there are some pagans in paradise okay does that make sense uh yes isn't offering herself some sort of suicide

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and isn't that the

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sin um yeah the catholic church uh for the catholic church suicide is a sin but these are the hebrews these are these are the israelites okay so this is a different cultural context and it's not really uh yeah okay does that make sense all right okay all right let's so carol can we keep on going okay

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paradise canto 5 um line 67 he should have said i did amiss and not done worse by keeping faith and you can find that same stupidity so so you see the paradox in the sentence

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right doing worse by keeping faith doesn't make any sense right keep on going and you can find that

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same stupidity in the greeks chief when her faith when her fair faith made effigenia grieve and made the wise and made the foolish weak for her when they heard tell of such a right okay so this is

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also a really interesting story okay so she's saying that there are two really stupid people in this world first is jetba the other is agamemnon okay so uh this is trojan war and what starts the trojan war of course is that paris of troy steals helen of sparta and so helen is the most beautiful woman in the world and all the greeks fight for helen and it seems like a war is about to break out among the greeks and so what the greeks want to do is you know what will just cast lots and whoever wins will marry helen and everyone else is obligated to fight for helen if someone still tries to steal helen it doesn't make sense it's an oath before the gods and so helen marries menelas uh the brother of agamemnon and the king of sparta then paris steals helen and now the greeks are obligated by this bull to go

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and destroy troy and this is what starts the trojan war and agamemnon is the leader of the greek army so the greeks assemble this huge fleet off the um coast of greece and they're about to sell the adriatic and move and war against troy the problem is that agamemnon kills like a secret animal to artemis the the the goddess of the hunt Artemis gets angry and says, screw you, you Greeks aren't going anywhere. And she destroys, so there's no more wind, okay? So the Greeks are stuck where they are. So Agamemnon is like, no, we need to go to Troy because of this oath to the gods. And he talks to the prophet and says, what can I do to restore the winds? And the prophet says, if you kill your daughter, Iphigenia, Artemis will be appeased, okay? Okay, so Agamemnon kills Iphigenia, even though Iphigenia is extremely popular among the people. And it's also like his daughter, okay?

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So this was stupid. And ultimately, if you know the story of the Greeks, what happens to Agamemnon because he killed Iphigenia? Do you guys know the story?

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Yeah, I think Iphigenia's mother, Clytemnestra, revenged on Agamemnon.

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If your daughter were killed by your husband, what would you do? You'd probably go kill the guy, okay? Clytemnestra plots this vengeance against Agamemnon. And so when Agamemnon comes home, Clytemnestra kills him for killing Iphigenia, okay? So... Should... Could Agamemnon have known this? Could Agamemnon have predicted this? Probably, okay? So this is why it's stupid, right? Okay, so just... I understand it's important to keep your vows to the gods, but, like, what Beatrice is saying is, like, use your brains, people, okay? All right, so Jephthah was stupid, Agamemnon was stupid as well, okay? Keep on reading, Carol.

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Paradise, Canto 5, line 73. Christians proceed with greater gravity. Do not be like a feather at each wind, nor think that all immersions wash you clean. You have both testaments, the old and new. You have the shepherd of the church to guide you. You need no more than this for your salvation.

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Okay, um, what is she saying here, okay? What is she saying here? What... Is she saying, okay, yes, it's important to keep your vows to God. But at the same time, use your brain. And how can you use your brain? You have both testaments, the old and the new. You have the shepherd of the church to guide you. You need no more than this for your salvation. This is very subversive. If I'm the Catholic church, and I hear this, I'm pissed off. Why?

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You don't need the priest.

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You don't need the priest, but what do you need?

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The Bible.

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The Bible. You do understand? Okay? What are you not allowed to do at this time, if you're Catholic?

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To read the Bible.

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Read the Bible by yourself. You're not allowed to do that. And what Donnie is saying is like, hey, if you really want to understand what is true, read the Bible for yourself. Okay? Yes?

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So this is something I'm really confused about. So first, you said that we should follow our intuition because our intuition comes from God. And then you said... You said that we should use our brains. And then you said that we should read the Bible. However, if we presume that God is above all of this, if we presume that God does not need to make himself manifest in such things as the Bible, or even the Catholic church, then what is God? How should we get closer to God?

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Okay. All right. So first, let's ask a question. Okay? Have you read the Bible before? Okay. What's the problem with reading the Bible?

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There's loads of versions.

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Excuse me?

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Loads of versions.

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Loads and loads of versions. It's pretty complicated, man. So what's the only way you can actually read the Bible? Use your intuition, man. You understand? Try reading the Bible using logic. Good luck with that one. Right? What's your contradiction here? What Donnie is saying is, okay, yes, I understand that you made this vow to God, and you want to know what to keep and what to... what to break. Use your intuition. How? Read the Bible. Listen to the priest. Okay? Once you have these two elements, go to church, listen to the priest, read the Bible, then this will be the path to your salvation. What he's really saying is, use your own judgment. Use your intuition. Use your faith. Yes?

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So what you are basically saying here, back to my inside -outside metaphor, so what you're basically saying here is that we have to use our intuition, but our intuition is not entirely of our own control because we cannot use our intuition to forgive ourselves of everything we have ever done, and therefore our intuition is something outside of us, and therefore God is a concrete existence somewhere outside of us.

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Okay. All right. So let's try to make this simple, okay? It might be wrong, but let's try to make it simple, okay? Your intuition is ultimately... your connection to the divine, to the universe, okay? Because, like, where does your intuition come from? It comes from the source. But there are ways in which to strengthen this connection, okay? Knowledge, reading, inquiry, debate, love, faith. Does that make sense? So live a life of love, faith, inquiry, pursuit of knowledge, and this will strengthen your intuition. Because... For Dante, science and intuition are not mutually exclusive. They are codependent. Only with intuition can you truly be a scientist. Does that make sense, guys? All right. Let's keep on going, Carol.

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Paradise, Canto 5, line 79. If evil greed would summon you elsewhere, be men and not like sheep gone mad, so that the Jew who lives among you not deride you. Do not act like the foolish, wanton lamb that leaves its mother's milk and heedless wants to war against and harm its very self. These words of Beatrice I hear transcribed. And then she turned, her longing at the full, to where the world is more alive with light. Her silence and the change in her appearance imposed a silence on my avid mind, which now was ready to address new questions. And even as an arrow that has struck the mark, before the bowcord comes to rest, so did we race to reach the second realm. When she had passed into that heaven's light, I saw my lady filled with so much gladness that, at her joy, the planet grew more bright. And if the planet changed and

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smiled, what then did I, who by my very nature am given to every sort of change, become? As in a fish pool that is calm and clear, the fish draw close to anything that nears its limit. I saw the stars and the stars from outside, if it seems to be their fair. Such were the far more than a thousand splendors I saw approaching us. And each declared, here now is one who will increase our love. And even as each shade approached, one saw, because of the bright radiance it set forth, the joyous with which that shade was filled. Consider, reader, what your mystery and need to know still more would be if, at this point, what I began did not go on. And you will, unassisted, feel how I longed so to hear those shades narrate their state as soon as they appeared before my eyes. Oh, you born unto gladness, whom God's grace allows

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to see the thrones of eternal triumph before your warped life has ended, the light that kindles us is that same light which spreads through all of heaven, thus he would know us, and he would know us, in the as you tried upon us, say it yourself as you may please. So did one of those pious spirits speak to me. And Beatrice then urged. speak speak constantly trust them as you trust god i see plainly how you have nested in your own light see you draw it from your eyes because it glistens even as you smile but i do not know who you are or why good soul your rank is in a sphere concealed from mortals by another planet's ray i said this as i stood turned toward the light that first addressed me and at this it glowed more radiantly than it had before just as the sun when heat has worn away thick

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mist that moderate its rays conceals itself from sight through an excess of light so did that holy form through excess gladness concealed himself from me within his rays and so concealed concealed he answered me even as the next canto is to sing okay all right so what's happening of course is

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that darnian features are traveling through the cosmos they're going from sphere to sphere they are now in a new sphere and the person they meet is justinian justinian uh was emperor of the byzantine empire okay the probably greatest emperor of the byzantine empire and he will now talk about the history of rome which will be the next canto um question there's a word here that shouldn't be in the divine call me at all it's a really weird word if you are a christian if you're a practicing christian you hear this word and you basically shudder you you're like what okay it's like it's like basically someone hitting you what is this word the word doesn't really belong and it should not be here there's a word four letters guys four letter word that should not be in in heaven it makes absolutely no sense what's the word pony holy no holy is a word that

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you would want in heaven yes born huh born born no there's a word that's like what is it doing here in heaven you're like this is wrong all right so it is to me yes thank you gods what is going on here you guys understand this yeah you're like you're a christian there's one god and it is sacrilegious to say there is another god there can only be one god what is she saying beatrice says speak speak confidently trust them as you trust god beatrice says to justinian talk to dante speak the truth talk to them as you trust god it's a really strange word right

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does the gods here refer to like the greek gods i mean i think yesterday we talked about how at the beginning of the contos like dante prayed to for example the apollo and the muses

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even though she was like christian yeah well i mean like that that can only be that can only be the reference right because christianity is monotheistic meetings with one god the Greeks are publicistic meaning many gods right so so the idea I'm trying to convey is that there's a subversive quality subversive quality to the divine comedy you can choose to just read it like as a Christian text and quite honestly most people do read it as Christian texts and in the next and I put this out because the next contour we will for Justinian read the entire history of the Catholic Church okay from its beginnings in Rome to the Holy Roman Empire okay and that is the official chronology as presented by the Catholic Church but what I'm trying to show you is that there are small things embedded throughout the text that subvert the traditional understanding of Christianity it doesn't make sense guys

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unless you read it deeply you can't actually appreciate it yes we see this as a humanistic

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perspective like we often say modern day celebrities are called stars right and sometimes we say a gods of the literary canon and sometimes we almost worship the greats in our history and can this be seen as this pioneer of the humanistic perspective that we have to have faith that they actually are great in and of themselves even those who are not great for religion like pagans like Archimedes exactly okay and what what you say is the

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renaissance okay what makes the renaissance a revolution in human affairs is that as you say it celebrates the human spirit and how the human spirit can be a force for innovation and good in the universe and this is unique in Europe at this time okay and it starts with Dante It is Dante that launches the Renaissance as well as modernity. It is Dante that promotes the idea of the individual that we take for granted today, but which was revolutionary back in his time. So yes. So we have another 20 minutes, but I want to talk about some ideas. So I don't want to give you the impression that our discussion is the end -all and be -all, that we've uncovered the truth. I want to go over into the limitations of a discussion. The first limitation, as you can appreciate, is this is written in Italian. We are reading in English because we don't speak Italian.

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This is a severe limitation because it prevents us from doing literary analysis. We can't study the words. We can't study the diction, the syntax. And so it limits our true understanding of what Dante is trying to convey. It doesn't make sense. Unless you read this in Italian, it is impossible to truly decipher his meaning.

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And we've invited someone Italian to come read some passages for us later in the workshop.

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Yeah, and that would be great, but the point I'm trying to make is, unless you read it in Italian by yourself, you'll never truly understand it, okay? Okay, that's point one. Point two is that, we discussed this before, but in the Divine Comedy, there's a lot of numerology and mathematics. Because if you think about it, for Dante, mathematics is the underlying truth of the universe, okay? Mathematics, numerology is what provides the structure of the universe. And there's a lot of actual numerology. Okay. And mathematics within the Divine Comedy, the most basic example is a structure where it's 34 cantos in Inferno, 33 in Purgatory, and 33 in Paradise. And also, if you look at the structure of the poem, it's three lines by three lines by three lines, okay? There's clearly a numerology of significance to number three because of what? When you think three, what do you think?

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Trinity.

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The Trinity, okay? Do you understand? Okay. So, what Dante is doing is he is using mathematics in order to portray the divine structure of the universe, to express its intent, sorry, its intentionality, okay, its design, okay? So unless you really study the mathematics, it's, again, hard to understand the Divine Comedy. We're not going to do that because a lot of mathematics is in Italian, okay? Mathematics would also include syllabi. We can't do the syllables and the rhymes and all that, okay? So we can't do the numerology as well. The third thing that we're missing that's very important for Divine Comedy is astrology. So at this time in history, astrology is science, right? You think that the movement of stars will determine the course of events. And if you read Divine Comedy, if you look at Paradise, obviously, there's a lot of astrology here, okay? Obviously, the way that the stars have been positioned. The way that Dante is looking at the stars from a certain angle, it's all significant.

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But I don't understand any of this stuff, okay? So astrology is also very key. Then you have the symbology. So we looked at certain symbols last class, for example, the four circles and the three crosses. And we pointed out how you can have lots of rich discussions over the meaning of these symbols. There are lots of symbols scattered throughout Divine Comedy. And obviously, there's a lot of deep meaning under these symbols. But unless you actually study symbology, you don't know what they are, okay? What Dante is doing that's very important is that he's combining different traditions together, right? Not just the Christian tradition, but also the pagan tradition, also the Islamic tradition, the Gnostic tradition. There's all sorts of traditions. He's combining together in order to create the symbology, the imagery that underlies the Divine Comedy, okay?

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And the last element that we can look at is the occult, okay? Occult esoterism. What is the occult? The occult is basically talking to demons and angels, okay? And if you actually know the occult, you will understand there's a lot of occult symbolism, a lot of occult references. I don't know these references, so I cannot bring them out. Yes?

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Personally, based on my understanding, I would argue that the original meaning of the word occult is actually the hidden, and the occult can refer to more than angels and demons. In fact, if we're referring to that, we often refer to them using, for example, demonology. So the occult could also refer to other topics.

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Yeah. Right. The occult just means what's hidden from us. Right. Or what is esoteric. Okay? Yes. But most people refer to it as just talking to demons and angels, okay? And clearly, Dante spends a lot of time talking to demons and angels, right? And the last thing I would say is just magic, okay? Magic manifestation. So why I bring this out is, like, there is an entire universe in the Divine Comedy. Okay? We cannot access because of limitations of our language, because of limitations of our knowledge. So even though we're having these rich discussions, appreciate that there's only a small fragment of the entirety of the Divine Comedy. And the entire purpose of this class is to encourage you to spend your entire lifetime studying the Divine Comedy. There's about 20 of you in this classroom. I guarantee you, if you were to spend the next 50 years, you would have spent your entire life studying the Divine Comedy.

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Each and every one of you would have a radically different interpretation of the Divine Comedy because some of you may learn Italian and go study numerology. Some of you may learn Italian and go study symbology. Okay? In which case, you present a radically different conception of your understanding. Another way of saying this is, the Divine Comedy, what it really is, is the secret garden. It's the Bible of humanity. Right? The Bible is the major religious text for most people in this world, but if you are an intellectual, if you are an aspiring writer, the Divine Comedy is what will guide you in your imaginations. Okay? If you read the Divine Comedy throughout your entire life, I guarantee you, you are going to be one of our greatest intellectuals, one of our greatest writers, one of our greatest thinkers, because there's so much richness. Also, if you actually read the Divine Comedy and you study things like the Kabbalah, you know the Kabbalah comes from the Divine Comedy.

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Okay? This is something that we might discuss later on, but the Jewish Kabbalah is basically inspired by the Divine Comedy. It's something that people don't recognize. But if you're a really smart person, you're really interested in the esoteric, in the occult, in magic. God, then the Divine Comedy is the best source material that you can have. Okay? And again, I am just amazed at the level of accomplishment. I mean, it is, I think, certainly the greatest individual human achievement in history, far greater than Einstein or Newton. Right? But also, I think that if we were to rank the Divine Comedy to other great achievements, okay, the pyramids, the nuclear bomb, the computer, whatever, I still think the Divine Comedy is superior. Okay? That's my own feeling. Also, I will say that because I have access to all of this,

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okay, these six things I'm missing from my capacity to fully analyze the Divine Comedy, it also means we'll probably skip certain sections. Okay? Does that make sense? Because certain sections are heavy into the occult, astrology, and mathematics. And there's really no point for us to read it because, like, I don't understand what's going on. Right? Okay? So any questions about this?

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Yes? Do you remember the first time you read Divine Comedy and how it felt like? Yeah.

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I had no idea what I was reading. I mean, I started reading Divine Comedy about four years ago for the first time. I didn't read this at Yale. I think you have to get Italian. I don't know. I started reading Divine Comedy. I can't remember. And for the first, like, many, many months, I didn't understand anything. Okay? Like, I would read the words. Like, I don't understand what's going on. Okay? I would watch videos. I think I watched, like, 100 hours of, like, videos explaining to me what Divine Comedy is. It made me even more confused. Okay? Try it. Try going to YouTube. Try watching what these professors say about Divine Comedy. It will just confuse you even more. And so I'm really, really frustrated. But I am, I have to teach this to my students. Okay? I'm teaching in a high school. And I've taught Homer. I've taught Plato. And I'm like, I should teach Dante as well.

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So I'm like, oh, my God. I'm going to, I am going to be a complete idiot. Okay? But I really, really want to teach this to my students. Because I really want to teach great books. And then, right? One morning, I wake up, and it felt as though Dante walked into my dreams. And he gave me certain ideas. And he said, love. Okay? If you want to understand Divine Comedy, think about what love is. Think about what the meaning of love is. And that will lead you to the right path. And then Divine Comedy started to, like, open up to me. Like, the words started to connect together. Okay? And it goes back to the idea of Picarda, where if there's a will, there's a way. Where I, for, like, four months, felt completely hopeless. Like, this is impossible. This is just stupid. I can't understand what's going on. All these YouTube videos are making me more confused.

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I felt hopeless. But when you really want it, the universe will respond. Maybe not the way you expect. Maybe not in the way you want. But it will. It will respond. It will guide you to the right path. Okay? So, it's only a question of will and desire. Yes?

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So, something I would like to comment on. Something that I noticed and I think is interesting but understandable given its time is that so, in fantasy, like, in fantasy fiction, there are two types of magic. There's hard magic and there's soft magic. And hard magic is when you do something, like, one plus one, and you expect it to equal two. And soft magic is when you don't know what will turn up. Magic just turns up when it needs to. So, I think Dante's magic, Dante's esotericism is closer to soft magic than hard magic. But it's already showing the basic science of hard magic, which I think is really interesting because in Catholicism, you cannot expect God to do anything. So, Catholic magic or miracles is absolutely soft magic. However, as we evolved as the disciplines of the Kabbalah. As the disciplines of cultism evolved, we gradually got ourselves some rituals. We got ritualism and that evolved into hard magic where we do something and we expect something to happen.

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Okay. I agree with that. Yeah. What I'll also say is that I really think divine comedy is the word of God. It's a universe speaking through Dante. And that's why I say it's perfect, okay? I've not been able to find a flaw in divine comedy. I mean, like, look at the beauty of its structure. Look at the beauty of its language. Look at the economy of its ideas, okay? We're able to take one sentence and have, like, hours and hours of discussions based on this. So, I think it's going to be worth your while to spend the rest of your life studying divine comedy. It is that good. And there is magic, definitely magic in this. And the more you study, the more you will discover, okay? I cannot say this about the Bible. I'm sorry. I've actually said the Bible. It is a complete mess, okay? If you actually said the Bible, you're like, what's going on here?

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But divine comedy, the poetry makes it perfect, right? Because let's just say you're in the Middle Ages and you hear Dante recite poetry, right? What do you think? What are you thinking? It's God, right? It's God taking possession of Dante and Dante is reciting the poetry. Same thing if, you know, you go to a concert and you might have a favorite musician. When the musician is singing, you think it's the universe singing. It's God that's singing, right? It touches you that deeply. All right, okay. So, when we come back from the break, we will go into the history of the Catholic Church. Okay? First, we'll show you the official history of the Catholic Church. And then we will show, I'll show you how Dante presents a new understanding of Jesus. Okay? All right. Any questions? Okay, guys. So, I will see you after the break, okay? What

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I'm going to do before we read Dante is I'm going to introduce the Catholic version of history. Okay? So, the end point of history is the Catholic Church. Because the Catholic Church is the manifestation of God on earth. Okay? It's heaven on earth. So, all the events that led the Catholic Church were preordained. They were intended by God. Okay? And the thing that starts history and which leads to the end point of history is the Catholic Church. This Catholic Church is, of course, Rome. Rome. It is God's intention, it's God's will that Rome conquer the world. So, it starts off this very small, poor place in the Italian peninsula. And it gradually expands outwards. And it conquers the entire Mediterranean, right? It destroys Carthage, the three Punic Wars. And now it controls most of the world. Spanning the Mediterranean from Spain all the way to Egypt, all the way to Syria and the Levant. Okay?

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And this is the Roman Empire. Now, during the course of the Roman Empire, a civil war breaks out. Okay? And, of course, Julius Caesar will win this war. But he will become assassinated by Brutus and Cassius. And this will lead to the rise of Arthasius Caesar. And after Arthasius Caesar dies, Tiberius Caesar will come into power. And as during the time of Tiberius Caesar, Christianity is born. And it spreads. It's spreading throughout the Roman Empire. And it's a miracle because in the beginning, in the first hundred years, it's persecuted. It's a very fringe religion. But by about 200 years, 200 years, it becomes an official religion. It's a religion of the Roman Empire because of Constantine. And Constantine will decide to shift his capital from Rome to Constantinople, which is modern -day Istanbul. And this begins the Byzantine Empire, which is the Eastern Roman Empire. And the great emperor of the Byzantine Empire is, of course, Justinian, who we are meeting or who we have met in my comedy.

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And Justinian will narrate the story of the Roman Empire. But it's basically like this. Now, as we know, the Roman Empire does split in half between the Western and the Eastern. The Eastern Empire will fall to the Turks in the 16th century, about 1,000 years later. But the Western Empire falls about the year 400. And when it falls, Europe is broken into different kingdoms. Different factions. And about the year 800, Charlemagne of the Franks will unite all of Europe and create something called the Holy Roman Empire. And the Holy Roman Empire will last until who? Did you guys know your history? Who destroys the Holy Roman Empire? Excuse me? No, that's the Roman Empire. Who destroys the Holy Roman Empire? Did you guys know your history? Napoleon. Napoleon, yes. Napoleon Bonaparte. So that's a long way, okay? This is about 1800.

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So the Holy Roman Empire lasts for a long, long time. And from the perspective of dominant Europeans, this is all the stability, the continuity, it's all because of the will of God. Okay? Now, over the course of this time, as I said, Christianity will develop. Okay? And Christianity will come to replace the Holy Roman Empire as the most powerful force in Europe. And Christianity will come to replace the Holy Roman Empire as the most powerful force in the world. So it starts, of course, with the birth of Jesus in about 4 BCE. Okay? And then 33 is when he is crucified. And with his death, it will begin the, it will begin Christianity. What will happen is that Peter will become the first bishop of Rome, basically the first pope. Okay? And then Paul will build the foundations of Christianity. And we'll meet both Peter and Paul in the Divine Comedy. Not Jesus, but Peter and Paul.

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Then what happens is that Christianity spreads and it becomes official under Constantine. Okay? So now the Catholic Church is official. Now, in 325, this is something called the Council of Nicaea. Nicaea is in modern -day Turkey. But the Council of Nicaea is a radical turning point in Christian history. Because before, every single place in Europe had its own distinct church that blended Christian elements with local pagan practice. The Council of Nicaea attempted to standardize Christianity by resolving certain theological conflicts within the church. Okay? And there are quite a few major conflicts. The first major conflict is the nature of Jesus. Okay? So everyone worships Jesus. That's why you're a Christian. But what was Jesus? There are some who said that Jesus was God incarnate. Right? There are some who said Jesus was a man who was anointed by God to be his messenger. Okay? And the solution that they came up with is that God is both man and God.

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Okay? This is really important for you guys to appreciate. Jesus has a dual nature. Both God and man. Both divine and both human. Why is this important? You had to have Jesus both as divine and as human. Why? Do you guys know why? Do you? You can't be like this guy's a man. You can't be this guy's a God. You have to be both. Why?

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Well, from a literary perspective, we all like a main character we can relate to. And if Jesus was holy God, then we can't relate to him that much. And if he was holy human, then, well, what business does he have doing all these nice things for us?

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Okay. But there's actually a much more serious reason. Yes?

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Because, therefore, he can save all the human. By how? By salvation. Okay.

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So, the main reason is the crucifixion, right? Right? It doesn't make sense, guys. Crucifixion. So, the idea is that sacrifice only makes sense if he could die. Do you understand? You say, God, you crucify him. Who cares? That's nothing. So, he needed to have a human element. In order for his sacrifice to be worthwhile. To be worthy of redeeming us. Okay? So, that's one major theological debate. And quite honestly, it still goes on today. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of different sects of Christianity arguing about this. Okay? But the really big question is the relationship between God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus. Right? Because now we've affirmed that Jesus is God. That's why we worship him. That's why we're Christians. But why does God appear in the Bible? And why does the Holy Spirit? And why does Jesus? Right? What is the relationship between these three? And, historically, there have been different explanations. The Council of Nicaea is important because it established the Holy Trinity.

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Okay? The Holy Trinity. The concept here is God, Jesus, and God. the Holy Spirit are separate, but one. It doesn't make sense. They are both different, but the same at the same time, okay? So the Council of Nakia establishes the Holy Trinity, and quite honestly, most Christians were aghast at this idea. It started civil wars. This is what launched civil wars throughout the Christian world, okay? But, the Byzantine Empire enforced the Holy Trinity throughout, and even today, there's still arguments about the Holy Trinity, okay? So this is a Council of Nakia with important ideas to keep in mind, because I might discuss this for a bit of Divine Comedy. Then we go to about 400. Why is this important? Because Rome falls, the barbarians, vissigoths, they overrun Rome. And if you're a Christian, you're like this is a question of faith because you were

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taught that rome is heaven on earth it's where the catholic church is so why would god not protect rome and so at this time um the major catholic theologian named augustine okay um he writes a book called city of god in the city of god what it argues is there are two cities in the world there is rome and there's jerusalem rome is a seat of temporal power jerusalem is a seat of spiritual power rome was meant to fall so that jerusalem may rise what is jerusalem jerusalem is a catholic church okay so in other words the catholic church is out of history the catholic church does not care who is king because that culture does not care who is rich or who is poor it doesn't matter it's all temporal issues earthly issues what the catholic church cares about is who goes to heaven and why okay so called augustine establishes the separation between

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church and state where the church is out of history beyond history it doesn't care who's king this is why in year 800 charlemagne is a problem because charlemagne wants to have the authority of catholic church because he has become the new roman emperor the pope grants it to him the pope anoints him emperor of the holy roman empire right you don't have soil in here holy then you need the church so now the church becomes embedded in temple politics and this is what led church are embedded in temple politics and this is what led church are embedded in temple politics and this is what led leads to Dante writing the Divine Comedy, because he's angry at the fact that because the church has involved itself in temporal politics, now all of Europe is in factional politics, right? Now you have two major seats of power, the Holy Roman Empire, as well as the Catholic Church, and they're always fighting, okay?

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The Holy Roman Empire is fighting to figure out who will be pope. That's not a temporal issue, that's not a worldly issue. The Vatican is fighting to install a friendly emperor in the Holy Roman Empire, okay? This is happening for centuries. This is leading to wars throughout Europe. It's also leading to massive oppression, massive censorship, the destruction of creativity in Europe. And this impels Dante to write the Divine Comedy to address a lot of these histories, okay? So what Dante's gonna do is the first thing he's gonna do is present the official story of the Catholic Church. And then he's gonna make some adjustments to it, okay, to reconcile the differences. Now some really important history that Dante will go into is why did Jesus have to die, okay? What was the point of the death, of the death of Dante? jesus and as you know it was to redeem

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us from our original sin right adam and eve at the beginning of time god gave him a very simple order very simple instruction do not eat that stupid food okay anything else but don't eat that fruit and they eat the fruit and that's the original sin and then we humans because we disobeyed god became lost uh became evil and it was jesus who came to redeem us in the eyes of god right and so um that's why he was crucified now if you read the bible what it tells you is that the jews were responsible for the death of jesus so now god has to avenge his only son so what happens in the year 70 the romans destroy the second temple and you know modern day history that's that's what's led to a lot of problems today okay but in the year 70 the jewish rebelled against the romans the romans under titus sent

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a huge army and they burned down the second temple and this revenge for um for the jews betraying jesus and so if you're a christian you learn this history but obviously this raises a lot of issues why did why was murder the murder of jesus necessary to redeem us right what does one wrong make right okay that doesn't really make any sense also why would god need to punish the jews for betraying jesus and so what does that mean for the jews to betray jesus and jews if it's all part of the plan to begin with right the jews did nothing wrong okay yes the jews did betray uh jesus but wasn't this part of the plan to begin with the jews were just doing their part so why did god have to punish the jews okay so clearly there are issues with um this history and this history is important because you know european

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european european history is led to a lot of evil in europe right for example anti -semitism in europe um so dante feels compelled to reconcile this history and present in a way that we can appreciate and which will lead us closer to the monad to god and that really is the genius of dante where he can take this complex convoluted history and turn it into a philosophy for us to appreciate and for us to act upon okay does that make sense any questions about this introduction before we read dante yes um so does dante believe

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that jesus is god or not does he like to how many parts does he agree with the catholic church

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okay um that's a really good question and the answer is we'll never know because dante is running a time in history where you could be killed for defying the catholic church for committing heresy okay so a lot of things he does it's gonna be subtle it's gonna be nuanced we'll never truly know his true feelings but if i had to guess um i would say that dante in his interpretation of the bible and in his interpretation of jesus he felt that jesus was a great spiritual leader who was divine in nature but so is dante okay does that make sense so um what what donna would say is look i'm writing this poetry because god has taken possession of me in order to relay a message to all of humanity and that's what he would probably say about jesus jesus as well where jesus is divinely inspired to spread a message of hope and salvation

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to the people around him okay now um sorry did you want to say something i wanted to say something

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like the the history you just presented earlier about jesus's murder so you speak was it meant to be factual or was it meant to be biblical um so this is the official catholic history

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right i'm not i'm not making a comment if this is true or false i'm just saying this is what the catholic church teaches its followers okay okay that's right am i right here okay if you're catholic and i get it wrong please please let me know okay i present this to you because um justinian will say the same thing okay but i'm putting this in simple terms so we understand what what what he's saying and then donna is going to argue against this all right okay uh so let's go back to jesus all right so um something to keep in mind about jesus is if you really want to understand the essence of jesus there is a part of the bible that i think dis is the figure of jesus if you really want to understand the essence of jesus there is a part of bible that is per poetry it itself has to be

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divinely inspired just like the divine poetry it itself has to be divinely inspired just like the divine comedy and um i think we should and um i think we should read it together okay it's called the sermon on the mouth okay so so pharaohит read the sermon on the mouth okay just so we can understand who jesus is and how he thinks we cannot read all of it it's pretty much the same thing just question where is he if it's right here

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long but we'll read a few paragraphs okay um this is from the gospel of matthew um the niv version blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven blessed are those who mourn for they will be comforted blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled blessed are the merciful for they will be shown mercy blessed are the pure in heart for they will see god blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of god blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness

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for theirs is the kingdom of heaven okay all right stop okay so um you can hear the poetry you can hear the beauty and the truth now um this is very powerful it i think it moves every one of us today okay sometimes i just cry hearing this but this is especially powerful 2 000 years ago when jesus was alive why because the roman roman empire was really really evil the roman empire the pax romana marked a time of tremendous inequality where a few people had everything and where most people were slaves so in this time what do you do well if you revolt like spartacus they'll come and they'll crucify you and your family right you you can try to rebel but there's no point because it is the empire it is everywhere it is everything you can't possibly get become rich because

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all the wealth has been monopolized yes i would have to say that uh while this is from a modern day perspective true i think it's a slightly anachronistic perspective because in the age of the romans wealth equality was a thing that was taken it was taken like as a granted in society and also christianity is not free of its wealth in quality especially after its legalization and also also roman slavery was not as widespread or as cruel as we think many roman citizens would enter slavery as a way to free themselves from their debt so i'm saying that while this all of this is true from a present day and from a christian perspective it is slightly

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anachronistic okay so let me ask you this question let's just say that you are a young person living in the world today the baby boomers have everything you went to school now you have a hundred thousand dollars in debt um and you have actually no job prospects the best you can hope for is that you have a hundred thousand dollars in debt um and you have actually no job prospects the best you can hope for is maybe to become a gig worker right we're driving a uber uh you have no chance of getting married you have uh no prospect of ever owning a home how do you feel how would you feel i'd

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be pretty pissed yeah again i think this well this is absolutely true on present day and it highlights some of the most poignant questions that we face in our present day i think it's a slightly anachronistic perspective if we apply it to the roman empire

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okay all right fine okay but i'm just saying that maybe a thousand years ago we'd be like wow young people in year 2026 have it all man they have cars they have computers have air conditioning they are they must be the happiest young people ever in human history right you guys have porn in your computer right you guys can fly to beijing and take this class what are you complaining about well i'm pretty sure the slaves back in the roman times had a lot more to complain about than you guys okay all right so even though okay well maybe they weren't that bad off relatively they felt hopeless okay if you were a slave in the roman period during this time and again nine percent of the population were either poor or slaves you hated your life right and so what is your hope well what jesus is saying is you have been brainwashed you

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have been indoctrinated to believe that only wealth matters okay blessed are the poor you are what who god truly truly loves don't seek well seek poverty poverty is the path to god that is a message of hope it's a message of salvation it's also a message of liberation the greatest revolution you can commit as an individual is to understand in the spiritual world there is a path of question to recognize the humanity the divinity in yourself regardless of what people in authority tell you right this is why this message is so powerful and it resonates and that's why christianity spread so far because it is a message that speaks to the human heart in a time of anguish okay and this is this is a spirit by the way that dante will try to remember or conjure up in the divine comedy jesus was not an empire builder he didn't care about the church there

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was no catholic church um when he was around he was part of a movement called the poor okay have you guys learned this history the poor okay the poor and the poor this movement is basically we give up material wealth we will travel as beggars and we will only um accept charity okay we won't accept money but we'll accept food and lodging and there's a very powerful passage in was it matthew but like basically actually it's in most of the gospels but a young man uh says to jesus i want to be like you how can i follow you and jesus is like do good works and then the young man's like no no i want to do more and jesus jesus says if you really want to be one of god give up your wealth and then the man says i can't do that because i'm filthy rich man i have a lot of

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money i'm not about my wealth and then jesus says to others truly it is harder for a man to uh what what was

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it yeah right yeah yeah go go ahead it's harder for the camel to pass through the eye of a needle

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than for a rich man to get into heaven exactly okay that is jesus that is the spirit of jesus that dante recognizes and um when dante talks about uh saint uh francis of assisi right he will conjure up he will help us remember that this was the real jesus a man who taught people the path to salvation is through your spirituality it is through kindness through generosity through love okay that is the jesus that i think dante understood yes but wasn't dante an aristocrat himself like someone

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who had power and money and stuff like okay sorry what's your point here well i mean if he wanted to be like jesus then or like or spread his message and he didn't live exactly that life

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he lived a life of like power right or like he was an aristocrat himself um so um first of all i mean dante came from a good family but he was not an aristocrat by the standards of florence performance okay also let me ask you this question was saint francis of assisi you know the man who became the founder of the friends physical movement who gave him all wealth was he born rich or poor do you know guess he was very very rich his family was very very rich and that's why what he did was so significant right if you're born poor and you're like i don't want money is that hard but you're born rich and like you know what all my friends are rich i've i've born rich but i don't give up all this money that is an action that is truly inspired right it's really divine yes um this isn't related

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to

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jesus necessarily so what dante what i think dante is doing i think it's actually uh pioneering it's actually an early version of protestantism so a kind of place of place where you return to god where you return to jesus instead of returning to the catholic church so my personal opinion about the catholic church is that despite preaching the gospel of poverty despite condemning having a lot of money and using it to do evil things it actually enabled a lot of the power structures that allowed medieval european society to become so unequal and so feudal so my point is that dante is actually subtly pioneering this return to jesus's own values

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in the Catholic Church yes okay all right so that's true but um something that you guys don't appreciate is there was always opposition towards the catholic church throughout history to understand the protestant movement was not new it was always there okay so there were two um major oppositions to the church okay the first argument is that the church is too worldly meaning that these prelates were these bishops were filthy filthy rich and like sorry but the apostles you know they swore to poverty jesus swore to poverty so that's betraying the church so throughout this history okay it's been covered up but throughout this history there were all these movements throughout europe that um criticized the church for its corruption and who sought to return to a life of poverty some of these movements the church actually co -opted right so the um the benedicts and the dominicans and the franciscans were co -opted by the

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church but they came about because of their harsh criticism criticism of church power and wealth okay and the second thing about the church was jesus taught okay this is really important you read the bible he actually says this but jesus taught that we all have a direct connection to god okay that's what jesus taught but the church says no no we are born in sin therefore we have betrayed god therefore we must now rely on the church to connect us back to god okay but throughout most of this hit most of this time there were a lot of people who refused to accept this and the one major groups of course is called the cathars i'm not sure if you know this history the cathars okay there are a lot of these um christian sects that taught that we had a direct connection to god okay um and so they were suppressed this launched the

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average the alba jinxian crusade okay so this is really important for you guys to understand the president movement was not a sudden revolution it was always there the positive revolution was just successful okay but throughout history at no point was there not opposition towards catholic church for these two reasons because the church was seen as corrupt and because the church denied direct access to god okay and this is something that bronte will discuss at great depth in the in the divine comedy does it make sense okay so one last thing that you guys need to know is in the year 1321 this is the year when dante finished the line comedy and the moment he finished like i don't know a few years ago he finished the line comedy and the moment he finished months later he died okay so basically you could argue that he kept him he kept himself alive in order to

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finish the line comedy and then when he finished it he's like my mission is done i can now rest and be with god but in the year 1321 um at this time in history the explanation for why jesus had to die on the cross is radically different from today today why why do we think jesus died on the cross what was explanation to redeem us from our sins right okay back then the most popular explanation is something called the ransom theory the ransom theory okay and it goes like this when who made us eat that fruit satan right disguised as a serpent so when we ate that fruit we turned away from god and became slaves to satan so now this is a problem because if god is to redeem us he needs to pay a ransom to satan right let me finish first okay and so if you're god and you need to make

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a deal with satan what can you offer to satan that would allow him to free us the answer is his only son okay but satan didn't recognize that the only son was so divine that he could resurrect okay so satan so even though jesus did go to hell he was able to escape it as well so at this time in history this is the most popular explanation for why jesus had to die on the cross as a ransom for our sins okay then over time it becomes generalized to become he redeemed us from our sins so this is the most popular theory at this time and dante will respond to this theory uh yes

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so i think uh again i'm just picking out words picking hairs here but i'm saying that satan made us eat the fruit satan did not make us do anything satan tempted us to eat the fruit and we did it of our own free will because if satan made us ate the fruit and if we really became slaves to him then satan will be more powerful than god because he could subvert god's most holy most precious gift which is our free will which doesn't make any sense right yeah okay

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yeah that that that's right so we we have our free will chose to become slaves to satan doesn't make sense because when we became tempted by satan we turned away from god and became like satan okay

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but that is assuming that satan is as powerful as god and satan has the right

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to receive the gift of our free will okay so so look i'm not arguing about theology okay i'm not arguing about these ideas i'm just saying what people believe at this time and what the church taught at this time and because i need i need to explain to you why dante's doing what he's doing okay okay i'm not going to argue this is right or wrong i'm just saying this is what people believe at this time uh does it make sense guys okay all right so this is the background and so we're not going to read uh dante together okay and so for the first canto tell us the history of the catholic church beginning with rome and keep in mind there are two things that upset dante the first is why did jesus have to die the second is why did um um god have to destroy the temple okay all right uh can

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you read carol please paradise canto 6

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from the from the beginning after constantine had turned the eagle counter to heaven's course the course it took behind the ancient one who wed lavinia

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okay so constantine of course is a person who makes christianity the official religion of rome the eagle is the roman empire itself okay the eagle is the standard of the roman empire when you see the word eagle it means the roman empire uh the agent one who led lavinia is inius okay um and in many ways the divine comedy it is a reimagination of virgil's great epic poem the indian i'll discuss this next week okay but but that doesn't back up 100 and 100 years and

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more the bird of god remained near europe's borders close to the peaks from which it first emerged beneath the shadow of the sacred wings it ruled the world from hand to hand until that governing changing became my task caesar i was and am justinian who through the will of primal love i feel removed the vain and needless from the laws but i grew before i grew attentive to this labor i held that but one nature and no more was christ and in that faith i was content but then the blessed agapetus he who was chief shepherd with his words turned me to that faith which has truth and purity i did believe him and now clearly see his faith as you with trees can see that one is true and one is false as soon as my steps shared the church's path god of his grace inspired my high task as pleased him i was

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fully drawn to that and trusting to my belisarius my arms i found a sign for me to rest from war heaven's right hand so favored him okay

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so the background is this okay justinian is emperor of the boston empire the eastern roman empire the western half and at this point in history uh the one empire is divided into the eastern half and the western half okay it's basically split in two and because it's split in two there are many different variants of christianity most variants do not accept the holy trinity okay so justinian goes on this holy crusade to conquer and unite all the roman empire and enforce the holy trinity on everyone and he succeeds and his general at this time was belize belize

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so he's okay keep on going my answer to the question you first asked ends here and yet the nature of this answer leads me to add a sequel so that you may see with how much reason they attack the sacred standard those who seem to act on its behalf and those opposing it see what great virtue made that eagle worthy of reverence beginning from that hour when palace died that it might gain a kingdom you know that for 300 years and more it lived in alba until at the end three still fought three still fought three contending for that standard you know how under seven kings it conquered the neighbors its neighbors in the year reaching from wrong sabine women to lucretius's grief okay so the sabine woman lucretia's uh suicide

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is all part of the early history of the roman republic okay enough time to go into this history but what he's doing is summarizing the history of the roman republic which then comes to the right and gives birth to the roman empire okay keep on going and what it did when carried by

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courageous romans who hurried to encounter brennus pyrrhus and other principates and cities through this for coitus quinch quinchius who is named for his disheveled hair the desai and febi gained the fame i gladly honor that standard brought the pride of arabs low when they had followed hannibal across those alpine rocks from which po you descend beneath that standards scipio pompey though young triumphed and to that hill beneath which you were born that standard seemed most harsh then near the time when heaven wished to bring all of the world to heaven's way serene caesar as rome had willed took up that standard and what it did from var to rhine was seen by the isser zone and sen and all the valley within that line on the main lord referred to as slia or sarata green g lips рекaff at the fruit salt and TB on a branch three亮ing lights the центр the tra sven and

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thund consultation tennyson sal cursor Pirly a and the ancient resolver to fictionalize any culture called ice political honorary access or artistic presence being allowed and the endurance and embellishment of art the ancient oligarchs verse six further and they are the hector lies then roused itself the worst for ptolemy from egypt lightning like it fell on juba and then it hurried to the west of you where it could hear the trumpet of pompeii okay so again

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he's just reciting or just summarizing roman history where and the point is the tone is that it is all ordained by god the rise of rome was so quick that it had to be divine then with rome comes julius caesar who will now birth the roman empire by conquering gaul by conquering everyone basically and it's all been pre -ordained okay nothing can stop it not the carthaginians uh not even civil war can stop god's plan from going because of what that standard did

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with him who bore it next brutus and cassius howl in hell and grief seized modena perugia you because of it sad cleopatra weeps still as she fled that standard from the asp she drew a sudden and atrocious death and with that very bearer it then reached the red sea shore with him that emblem brought the world such peace that janice's shrine was shut but what the standard that has made me speak had done before or then was yet to do throughout the mortal realm where it holds rule comes to seem faint and in an insignificant way but it is not the standard that has made me speak but it is not the standard that has made me speak if one with clear sight and pure sentiment sees what it did in the third caesar's hand okay so

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the third caesar is tiberius caesar right the first is julius caesar augustus caesar and the third is tiberius caesar tiberius caesar is important because that this is during the time of jesus right jesus is now working as a prophet during this time keep on going for the true

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justice that inspires me granted to it in that next caesar's hand the glory of avenging his own justice and the glory of avenging his own justice and the glory of avenging his own justice and the glory of avenging his own wrath now marvel here at what i show to you sorry the glory of

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avenging his own wrath refers to the crucifixion of jesus right god is angry at us in order to dissipate his anger he might sacrifice his only son jesus okay that this is what it refers to

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keep on going now marvel here at what i show to you with titus afterward it hurried toward avenging vengeance for the ancient sin so titus is

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is the general that will destroy the jewish rebellion and burn down the second temple okay and this is and and the catholic church teaches people at this time that this is vengeance for

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the jews betrayal of jesus keep on going and when the lombard tooth bit holy church then charlemagne under the eagle's wings through victories he gained brought help to her now you can judge those i condemned above and judge how much men have offended have become the origin of all your evils for some oppose the universal emblem with yellow lilies others claim that emblem for party it is hard to see who is worse let ghibellines pursue their undertakings beneath another sign for those who sever this sign and justice are bad followers okay so now what justin

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is saying is that in this time people have misused the legacy of the roman empire to conduct their own wars for political gain okay so i said before that with the birth of the holy roman empire the church becomes embroiled in european geopolitics and this leads to wars throughout this period dante is forced into these wars because right now in this in history this is about the year 1300 the ghibellines and the guelphs are at war with each other the guelphs um support the pope the ghibellines support the holy roman empire or the other way around i can't remember it okay and what happens is the guelphs and donnie's part of the guelphs they defeat the ghibellines and so now the guelphs control florence and what happens next of course is you guys know the guelphs divided into two factions the blacks and the whites and these are before the same political party and now

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they're fighting each other for power and at first the whites win and exile the black wells the black wells then say to say say to combat and then kick out the white guelphs which exiles dante okay and what uh and what donnie is saying for justinian is that this is all a corruption of the teachings of the church okay the church should not be involved in temporal politics we should not be fighting uh for the legacy of rome

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okay keep on going and let not this new charles strike at it with his guelphs but let him fear the claws that stripped a more courageous lion of its home and let him fear the claws that stripped a more courageous lion of its home and let him fear the claws that stripped a more courageous lion and let the sun not think that god will change the emblem of his force for charles charles's lilies this little planet is adorned with spirits whose acts were righteous but who acted for the honor and the fame that they would gain and when desires tend toward earthly ends then so deflected rays of the true love mount toward the life above with lesser force okay so

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by площard making you one of the emptyCheck Weif苦 is always calling to us we always return want to return to god but because of free will we can choose where to direct our energies if we direct our energies towards god we become closer to god but if we direct our energy towards power earthly gain materialism thank god then we will turn away from god and god ocean will shine less brightly on us okay keep on going but part of our delight

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is measuring rewards against us towardäll Mercedes Paul Ryan Ryan bead base undomesticseller Mar 갔이 our merit and we see that our rewards are neither less nor more thus does the living justice make so sweet the sentiments in us that we are free of any turning toward iniquity differing voices join to sound sweet music so do the different orders in our life render sweet harmony among these fears and in this very pearl there also shines the light of romeo of one whose acts though great and noble met ungratefulness and yet those proven cells who schemed against him had little chance to laugh for he who finds harm to himself and others righteous acts takes the wrong path of raymond behringer's four daughters each became a queen and this poor and a stranger romeo accomplished then behringer was moved by vicious tongues to ask this just man for accounting one who given ten gave raymond five and

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seven and romeo the poor the old departed and were the world to know the heart he had while begging crust by crust for his life bread it though it praise him now would praise him more

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okay so this is very similar to the message of jesus okay what jesus taught his followers is all this wealth that we see in this world it's a false wealth it's nothing it's poverty the true wealth is with god so do what is right and you'll be awarded in heaven and that's what he's saying what what um don is saying for justinian there was a man romeo who was very much like dante who was participating in these wars but because he chose to do good um the people turn against him and even though he suffered in on earth he was exiled he was impoverished just like dante ultimately he was given uh tremendous reward in heaven okay so make your choice you can either choose a life of wealth here and a life of poverty up there or a life of poverty down here the life of poverty up there okay it's entirely your choice

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it's your free will okay all right so what's happened is that we now know the official story of the catholic church as told by justinian but again this raises a question for dante which is tell me exactly why jesus had to kill himself it doesn't make any sense okay and what beatrice is going to do is explain um jesus sacrifice in a way that i think is the most powerful explanation ever okay but before we start does anyone here know why jesus had to kill himself first yeah yeah you go first oh yeah yeah yeah oh yeah i think jesus is trying to

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cure himself just because he wants to show that he's not he's really uh the the son of god because some people keep doubt on him and even the judah you know the the disciple right who just said that he just you know because of the silver coin right he just tried to betray the jesus maybe this is one two people know that he is the true god

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yeah and certain certain denominations teach this yes to prove that he is truly divine

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because he can resurrect himself yes okay the sacrificing your own son has to be like the biggest representation of love and that's the love that god has towards us okay could you elaborate on that as in there's there's nothing harder that someone could do than sacrifice their own son but the fact that god did it for us to clean us from our sins shows how much he loves us um okay but

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did he really sacrifice his son because jesus didn't die right but he was willing to show us okay yes okay that's actually donna's explanation as well yes i have like two questions the first one

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is that uh jesus sacrificed to prove that he is divine so if he proves that he is divine through a concrete thing like rising up from the dead then that's not that's not faith anymore is it that's just i saw him rise from the dead it's a fact and the second question is that god sacrificed his son so uh as god's son jesus is both human and god is not human and divine and because he's he is part human he has free will and therefore he can choose or not to be sacrificed so i think maybe a more appropriate framing would be jesus chose to sacrifice himself god did not sacrifice anybody because god cannot take away that gift right now you're exactly right

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no no you're right jesus did sacrifice himself it was his choice sacrifice you're right okay but the idea is that jesus and god are the same thing right okay all right so so let let let's read this okay and this is a really powerful section i want to make sure we appreciate the logic here okay we we can skip the first three lines because that's just latin okay thus even and even as he wheeled to his

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own music i saw that substance sing that spirit flame above whom double lights were twined and he and his companions moved within their dance and as if they were swift as sparks they sped out of my sight because of sin they were swift as sparks they sped out of my sight because of sin they were swift as sparks they sped out of my sight because of sin distance i was perplexed and to myself i said tell her tell her tell her the lady who can slake my thirst with her sweet drops and yet the reverence that possesses all of me even on hearing only bee and ice had bowed my head i seemed a man asleep but beatrice soon ended that for she began to smile at me so brightly that even in fire a man would still feel glad according to my never erring judgment the question that perplexes you is how just vengeance

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can deserve just punishment okay all right okay this is a really important

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sentence okay what it means is god should be angry at us for betraying him for eating the fruit when he told us not to okay this is just vengeance he should be angry at us but why would it involve the sacrifice of his only son right just punishment why should this man who's innocent jesus have to sacrifice himself in order to appease god's anger at us that doesn't make any sense right okay uh keep on going but i shall

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quickly free your mind from doubt and listen carefully the words i speak will bring the gift of a great truth in reach since he could not endure the helpful curb on his willpower the man who was not born damning himself damned all his progeny okay stop

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who is this man yeah it's adam obviously come on right okay keep on going for this

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mankind lay sick in the abyss of a great error for long centuries until the word of god willed to descent to where the nature that was sundered from its maker was united to his person by the

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sole act of his eternal love okay so now there's a separation between god and us and the question is how do you reconcile right there's anger now god is angry at us and we um basically screwed up and we don't even know how to ask forgiveness okay so this is a schism this is a separation

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they keep on going now set your sight on what derives from that this nature thus United to its maker was good and pure even as when created but in itself this nature had been banished from paradise because it turned aside from its own path from truth from its own life okay so we're born

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good okay And we know we're born good because in the Bible, it says that when God created man, God breathed, breathed the spark of life into us. So there's an essence of God within us. Therefore, we are born good. But because of free will, we can choose to do stupid things. We can choose a path of evil. And once you pick a path of evil, what often happens is that it becomes like a snowball, okay? Okay? Rolling down and accumulating. So we do one stupid act, then we do another, then we do more evil. It keeps on going. And we don't really know how to get back on the correct path. Okay? Keep on going, Carol.

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Line 40. Thus, if the penalty the cross inflicted is measured by the nature he assumed, no one has ever been so justly stung. Yet none was ever done so great a wrong. If we regard the person made to suffer, he who had gathered in himself that nature. Thus, from one action issued differing things. God and the Jews were pleased by one same death. Earth trembled for that death, and heaven opened. You need no longer find it difficult to understand when it is said that just vengeance was then avenged by a just court. But I now see your understanding tangled by thought on thought into a knot, from which with much desire, we have come to the conclusion that we are in the middle of the world. Your mind awaits release. You say, what I have heard is clear to me, but this is hidden from me. Why God ruled precisely this pathway for our redemption?

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Okay, right, okay. So this is the question, okay? If you are God, and you are infinite and eternal, why did you have to pick a particular way in which an innocent man, Jesus, was punished? He could choose to be punished. But it seems unjust, okay? It seems wrong. Okay, keep on going.

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Verse 58. Brother, this ordinance is buried from the eyes of everyone whose intellect has not matured within the flame of love.

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Okay, so what she's saying here, this is really important, is you don't understand because you don't love enough. If you become a parent and you love your child unconditionally, then you understand. understand why god had to do what he did okay god is eternal and infinite there are a million solutions and he picked the best possible solution if it sounds stupid to us if it sounds wrong to us it's not his problem it's our problem it's because we don't understand love enough keep on

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going verse 61 nevertheless since there's much attempting to find this point but little understanding I shall tell why that way was the most fitting the godly goodness that has banished every envy from its own self burns it itself and sparkling so it shows eternal beauties all that derives directly from this goodness is everlasting since the seal of goodness impresses an imprint that never alters whatever rains from it immediately is fully free for it is not constrained by any influence of other things you even as it conforms to that goodness so does it please it more the sacred order that gleams in all things is most bright within those things most like itself the human being has all these gifts but if it loses one then its nobility has been undone only man's sin annuls man's liberty makes him unlike the highest good so that in him the brightness of its light is dimmed

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stop okay all right okay so do you guys understand what he's saying what beatrice is saying is that god is perfect god is pure love god is all generosity all forgiveness all truth and we were created his image and so we share all his qualities the problem is we have free will and we are immature and the moment we choose to sin we turn away from god and therefore we lose our divinity and once we pick this path we can only compound our own mistakes our own evil okay does that make sense the moment we turn away from god by sinning we're a lost now thank you man going

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versa A2 and man cannot regain his dignity unless where sin left emptiness man fills that void with justthamends for evil pleasure for what righty means unless each transgressions WHERE SIN LEFT EMPTINESS MAN FILLS THAT VOID WITH JUST AMENDS FOR EVIL PLEASURE FOR WHAT IS AHMED FOR AS A Principus When your nature sinned so totally within its seed, then from these dignities, just as from paradise, that nature parted. And they could never be regained if you consider carefully by any way that did not pass across one of these fords. Either through nothing other than his mercy, God had to pardon man, or of himself, man had to proffer payment for his folly.

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Okay, all right. So, okay, what you're saying here is, okay, we screwed up, and this is the worst thing that we could have done, okay? And now there are only two ways to redemption. The first way is if we make amends, okay? But there's a problem with that. What's the problem with that? How can we make amends for the original sin? Okay, first of all, what is the original sin? Do you guys know what the original sin is? Yeah, go ahead first, and then you, okay? We ate from the knowledge. But what is that? What motivated us? Yes? And then you. Like, I know you know, okay, but yeah. Go ahead.

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So, basically, like, there was the Garden of Eden, and there was Satan, and he turned into a snake, and he was like, hey, Eve, eat this apple. And Eve...

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It wasn't an apple, by the way. But why do we do it? Why do we eat the fruit?

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Because we... Well, the problem that God has with it is that we disobeyed him. He told us, don't eat the fruit, and we ate the fruit.

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Why was he angry at disobedience? Sorry, go ahead.

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The fact that we want to become God.

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Exactly, okay, do you understand? The problem was not disobedience. The problem was the serpent told Eve, you eat this fruit, and you'll become like God. Meaning, we want to overthrow God, okay? This is the original sin. Not the stupid fruit, okay? Who cares if you eat the fruit? The original sin is our hearts became evil. Our hearts became so evil and vicious that we wanted to kill God and become God ourselves. That is the issue, yes?

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So, where did it say that we want to kill God? Like, this is monotheism, I know. But, like, where did it say we want to kill God? We want to be equal with God. That does not mean we have to kill him.

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Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Just like she said, the thing... You don't want to kill him. Just, you can't replace them. You can't be like them. Like, not... Guys, guys, you need to understand something.

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When we are working in a historical context, do you understand? At this time in history, what the Catholic Church teaches its followers, its flock, is that the original sin is our pride, okay? This is historical fact. This started with the Bible. And in the Bible, it literally says, that the serpent tempted Eve to eat the fruit because it would make her like God. It's literally in the Bible, in Genesis, okay? Then what Augustine, who will take this and say, the original sin is our pride. And this becomes the official doctrine of the Church, okay? You guys appreciate this. I'm not arguing with you if this is right or wrong. I'm just saying this is what is historically true. Okay? This is what Beatrice is saying, okay? According to the doctrine of the Church, we want to be like God. And, like, how can you make amends for that? And the answer is you cannot make amends for that.

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You want to kill God, okay? There's no way that you... There's nothing that you could do to appease God or make amends or redeem yourself. Because you did the worst thing possible in the universe, okay? Excuse me? The worst thing that you could do, yes, okay? But the worst thing that humanity has ever done in the universe is to try to kill God, okay? Okay.

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Verse 94. Now fix your eyes on the profundity of the eternal counsel. Heed as closely as you are able to my reasoning. Man and his limits could not recompense for no obedience, no humility he offered later could have been so deep. Man and his limits could not recompense for no obedience, no humility he offered later could have been so deep. That it could match the heights he meant to reach through disobedience. Man lacked the power to offer satisfaction by himself. Thus, there was need for God through his own ways to bring man back to life intact. I mean by one way or by both. But since a deed pleases its doer more, the more it shows the goodness of the heart from which it springs. The godly goodness that imprints the world was happy to proceed through the world. Through both its ways to raise you up again. Nor has there been, nor will there

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be between the final night and the first day a chain of action so lofty and so magnificent as he enacted when he followed his two ways.

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Okay. All right. Okay. So this is beautiful, okay? But this is the logic. The logic is we can't forgive ourselves so God must redeem us. But God has to redeem us in a way. that changes us for the better. And so he has a son. And the thing about his son is that it's a dual nature, right? Both man and God. Okay? So the fact that a man, Jesus, is going to redeem us will help save us, okay? Because now we are engaged in our own salvation through Jesus. It doesn't make sense, guys. Keep on going.

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Verse 115. For God showed greater generosity in giving his own self than that man might be able to rise, than if he simply pardoned. For every other means fell short of justice, except the way whereby the Son of God humbled himself when he became incarnate.

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Okay, so there's a million solutions, okay? And God spent 1,000 years, 2,000 years, who knows, thinking of a solution. And his answer is, well, first of all, I can't just forget. I can't forgive these guys. They'll learn nothing. And I need them to do it themselves. But they're humans, and they're kind of lame, so they can't do it themselves. So the only solution is for the Son of God to become man. Okay? That's the only solution. A million possible scenarios. There's only one scenario that could possibly redeem us, and it's for the Son of God to become man. He sacrificed, okay? That's the only way forward. Keep on going.

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Verse 121. Now to give all your wishes full content, I go back to explain one point, so that you too may see it plainly as I do. You say, I see that water, see that fire, and air, and earth, and all that they compose come to corruption, and endure so briefly.

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All right, stop. Okay, all right. So what I'm going to do now is help us appreciate, the genius of the sacrifice of Jesus, okay? So I'm going to give you a thought experiment. The thought experiment is this. You are a mother or a father, who cares? You're a parent, okay? And you have a daughter named Eve. And one day, you bring home a dog, okay? And Eve asks you, do you love this dog? More, or do you love me more? And we're like, we love you both. Come on, man. Of course we love you both. And then Eve's like, okay. Then Eve can't sleep, because she's really disturbed by this question. Does my mother or father love me more, or the dog more, okay? So then she comes up with this solution to solve this problem, which is, she kills a dog, right? She's like, I'm going to kill the dog. And that's going to show me if my parents love me more or love the dog more, okay?

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Now, as the parent, you're completely screwed, okay? Because let's think about this. What do you do? You told Eve you love them both. You love both the dog and Eve, your daughter. Your daughter is confused by this. And so she's like, well, I'm curious now who my parents really love. So I'm going to kill the dog. I'm going to kill the dog and see what happens, okay? And so what do you do?

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Maybe I would like to say that this dog is the dog I love most, and you're the daughter I love most. So if in that case... Yeah, but your dog's dead. Yeah, if in that case, the girl does not like to test it, because she knows that he's the only one... No, the dog is dead. Oh, he's already dead. Yeah, so what do you do?

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What do you do? I would... I mean, in the context of Jesus, you punish yourself in a way. So they would see that what you did hurt them more. And so to forgive them, you have to punish yourself. Yeah, okay, okay.

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So that's the logic, okay? All right? So because you're kind of screwed, okay? If you don't do anything, what's Eve going to do next? Kill more animals, okay? So you cannot do anything. You cannot do nothing. You got to be like, I forgive you, Eve. Oh, it's... You're just a kid. Don't worry about it, okay? You got to do something, okay? But if you punish her, that proves to her you love the dog more, right? So anything you do, you're kind of screwed. So your only solution, okay, of a million possibilities is you punish yourself. You hit yourself to show Eve, I have to punish you, but you punish yourself. And when she sees that, what does she think? She thinks... My father, my mother truly, truly loves me. And will she ever kill an animal again? No, okay? Because she's seen what will happen if an animal dies. The parents will suffer. And so

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she's convinced by the love of the parent, and therefore, she's now fully committed to loving her parents to the best of the ability, okay? That's the logic behind the sacrifice of Jesus. To show all of us that God truly loves. Loves us, so that we can now return to loving God. This is a reconciliation, okay? Does it make sense, guys? Yes?

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I think this is a very strange metaphor, because if I was the parent, I would send Eve to therapy. Like, I think...

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You would send what?

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I would send Eve to therapy. Like, I think this is a very absolute situation. Like, it's either punishment or it's allowance. Like, why couldn't there be a middle? Why couldn't there be education in the middle?

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Okay. You send... You send Eve to therapy. Okay. What does the therapist tell Eve?

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I'm not a therapist, but therapy has been proven to work on a range of conditions, including sociopathy.

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Okay, but like, we're just doing this as a thought experiment, okay? All right. You know what? I'm going to call the police, and the police are going to come and arrest Eve. Oh, you know what? Screw this. I'm going to call the therapist. The therapist will come and solve this problem with me. Is it... Will this make things worse or better? Why?

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Well, the therapist would probably side with Eve, and then they would, like, start to, like, call the dad a bad parent or something.

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No, no, no. What's the therapist going to do? Have you guys been to a therapist? Therapists don't do that.

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They're going to interrogate Eve, and that's probably going to make her very uncomfortable.

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They'll probably... A therapist will probably make her take pills, okay? Yeah. Right? And that's a punishment. In which case, what does it tell Eve about her parents? Her parents love the therapist. They probably don't love her, man. Right? They're like, I don't want to deal with this crap. I'm going to send her to a therapist. Yeah?

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No, I think that's... To be honest, I think in the context of this metaphor, that is a really irresponsible way of thinking, because as a parent, I am not a psychological expert, and I do not have the resources to help my child. And to help my child, I have to give her... I have to give my money. I have to give my time to someone who is more licensed, who is more qualified than I am to help my child.

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You're... You're... What? But your parents know you the best. Like, your parents should be the ones that could help you, not a random stranger. Like, I mean...

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It doesn't work here in China, bro. I don't think this is really relevant.

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I don't think this is really relevant. I think that's the rational course of action.

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Yeah, but the point is not about what's rational to do. It's about... It's about... Like, Eve is trapped in this dilemma where she believes that if you send me to therapy, if you punish me by just a little bit in any means, any way, it shows to me that you don't love me. Yeah. That's her logic, you know? Then you kind of... In her logic, you have, you know... But how is therapy a punishment? For her, it is a punishment. Whether you slap her, you scold her...

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I guarantee you that if you kill a dog, okay, and you go to therapy, they're going to make you take pills. I guarantee you. Okay? And that may not be the best solution.

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Yes? But as a parent, do we take Eve's logic as permanent? Do we accept that? Or do we need to kind of, you know, do something on our own behalf to kind of try to tweak that logic or change that logic?

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I'm actually confused, like, how... There must be something wrong with Eve beforehand, like, your education, right?

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Oh, my God.

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For her to be able to kill the dog. It's just...

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Again, we need to use our imagination.

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Right. But I do have kids, which is why this is particularly concerning for me. I would be the first guy to try to kind of sit down with Eve and try to understand where she comes from. And then we go from there. Like, maybe, you know...

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Listen, I have three kids. And any of them could pull this crap on us. I mean, like... That's just how kids are. I mean, like, I'm not saying my kids are going to do this. But I'm saying, like, I can imagine them doing this crap on me. Yeah?

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So, I noticed that a lot of you have, like, issues with outsourcing help for your kids. Well, what I have to say is your kid needs food and your kid needs water, right? So, as a parent, are you going to farm the food yourself and get the water from the river yourself because you want to do everything for your kid because you're the one who knows them best? Of course not.

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But I don't understand why you're convinced that a therapist knows exactly what he or she is doing. You're convinced that a stranger with a PhD knows more about the child than you, the parent?

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Yes, I'm convinced that they know more than you. I'm not saying that they know everything. I'm convinced that they know more about the child's behavioral patterns than you do.

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Okay. But then there's the question of risk, right? Right. So, a therapist has different skin in the game than you as the parent. So, naturally, even though the therapist might have the set of tools, the application of those tools coupled with the risk you take as the parent to the kid, I think, in the end, the parent, it still falls on the parent. Okay.

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Are you okay with this scenario, okay? Let's just say God's like, you know what? I really should send my son to crucify himself. That's kind of stupid. I don't know, dude. I'll create this alien species, okay, that is infinitely wise. Okay. And I'll have them come and rule over humanity. Are you okay with that?

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It depends on what way they're winning over you. The thing about therapy that most people don't realize is that the therapist doesn't force you to believe anything. The therapist doesn't yell at you. The therapist asks you, and they subtly guide you towards something better. They give you a choice. They give you your free will. They respect your free will. That's what a lot of people don't realize.

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Okay. So, you and I are just trying to disagree about therapists, okay? All right? Therapists don't actually... It doesn't matter, okay? All right. But we're trying to explain the logic of Dante, right? And this is a really beautiful explanation, and I think it's a very convincing explanation for why Jesus had to die, okay? It is not about redemption. It's not about justice or vengeance. It's really about inspiration and education, right? Okay? Because once we've seen and once we know... That Jesus killed himself for our sins, it gives us a spiritual power, and it makes us closer to God. And this is why this marks a radical turning point in human history. Does that make sense, guys? Okay? Because before you ask yourself, why is it there are two billion Christians in the world? I'm not a Christian, by the way. Okay? And why is it that everyone says that Christianity... Marks a radical turning point in human history?

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And now Dante provides an answer, okay? Because the death of Jesus, the sacrifice of Jesus, is able to rekindle a spark in us that was once lost, okay? It's drawn us closer to God. Before, we were on the wrong path. We were in a desert, and we were lost. And now we see the light, and we're moving towards the light, okay? All right? So do you guys understand the logic here? All right? Any questions about this? Okay. All right. But you can also see, and this is really important, guys, this beautiful explanation also subverts Catholic theology, okay? Do you understand? Because before, Catholic theology was based on vengeance and justice. Now it's based on love and sacrifice. Does that make sense? Does that make sense, guys? Okay? Before, the operating principle was one of fear, of vengeance. Now it's just love. Everything happens because God loves us. And that's why God had to be so careful and deliberate in his solution to this problem.

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Okay? Got it? All right. Let's keep on reading.

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First one. One, two, seven. And yet these two were things created. If what has been said above is true, then these things never should be subject to corruption.

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Okay. All right. So the question is, if it is true that God is perfect, everything God does is perfect, why does imperfection exist in the world? For example, our bodies, right? Our bodies are imperfect. We feel pain. We die. So why is there imperfection in the world? Keep on going.

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Verse 130. Brother, the angels in the pure country where you are now, these may be said to be created, as they are in all their being, whereas the elements that you have mentioned, as well as those things that are made from them, receive their form from a creative power. The matter they contain had been created. Just as within the stars that wheel about them, the power to give form had been created. The rays and motion of the holy lights draw forth the soul of every animal and plant from matter able to take form. But your life is breathed forth immediately by the chief good, who so enamors it of his own self that it desires him always. So reasoning, you also can. You can deduce your resurrection. You need but remember the way in which your human flesh was fashioned when both of the first parents were created.

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Okay. All right. Okay. So why is there imperfection in the world? Why is it that plants wither and die? Why is it that we wither and die? Why? Why? If God is perfect, everything God creates is perfect, then why is there imperfection in the world? Yes.

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If everything is perfect, there's no meaning.

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Okay. What does Dante say? I mean, don't he tells us? Okay. Yes.

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Because of the original sin to me because of the original sin in the Garden of Eden when the humans sin, but doesn't doesn't explain the plants and the animals and decay.

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Yes.

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Um, so God, God is perfect. And he make us imperfect. So therefore, we can be be better. Therefore, God can be more perfect.

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Uh, okay. All right. So what this is saying, okay, is that the God's perfection, right? Does God have the time to create the stone or the plant? Does he? Does God care? This table, it was created by God. This table, what created this table? Um, uh, yes, and how, and how did we create this table from trees and what created trees, God created the trees, God created the small trees and it became a big tree, right? So God created the seeds.

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Okay.

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Right. So do you guys understand God create the laws of the universe? You understand the laws of the universe is, is what gives rise to plants where seeds like become trees, right? That's following the law. Of the universe, but it was God create these laws of the universe and, um, and then God lets these laws of the universe do what they do. Okay. Do you understand? So it's God who created the laws of physics who are governed by the laws of physics. Okay. How are we different from the other creations in the world? Okay. All the other creations in the world are governed by the laws of physics and biology and chemistry. Okay. These laws are perfect. These things that are created are not perfect. We are different. How are we different?

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Yes. Um, we have consciousness and we have free will, so we can like direct our own fate and we can like support some laws that like animals are bound to, for example, like instincts. We can suppress instincts. Okay.

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Yes. But, but, but like, I'm asking you how this happened, right? Because law, God creates the laws of the universe, which then gives rise to everything, including us. We're different. But we're different from everything else, right? So how was this possible? Yes.

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Because we are made in the image of God, but all the other creatures aren't. And so we have his traits, I guess, or we are most like him. So we have free will.

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Yeah. But how did you, um, how did your body come into being? Does your body follow the laws of biology? Yes, it does. Right. So what happened? Why are we different from animals or trees?

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Oh, yeah. Maybe. Okay. Yeah. According to the Bible, I remember Genesis is that the God who just did not allow the human to eat the fruits, right? But the human just chose to eat the wisdom fruit. So it means that he betrayed God, right? Okay, guys.

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Guys, we're trying to read Dante, okay? Okay. It's like, let's read line 139 to the end again, okay? He tells you the answer. Just read it carefully. We'll read it first, okay?

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The rays and motion of the holy lights draw forth the soul of every animal and plant from matter able to take form. But your life is breathed forth immediately by the chief good, who so enamors it of his own self that it desires him always. So reasoning. You also can deduce your resurrection. You need but remember the way in which your human flesh was fashioned when both of the first parents were created.

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Okay. Why are we different from animals and trees? We have a soul. Excuse me? We have a soul. How do we know we have a soul? Yeah, it says here, guys, you have to read Dante, okay? Your life is breathed forth immediately by the chief good. Okay? Do you understand? Do you understand? And how do we know this? Because it says so in the Bible, right? How did God create Adam? Do you guys know? How did God create Adam? What is Adam crafted by?

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Dust and soil.

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Dust. And then what happens?

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God breathes into him and brings him to life.

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God breathed into him, and that's what gives Adam life, okay? So in other words, God put a part of himself in us. We call this a soul. Okay? And because God... God put a part of himself in us, what is our greatest aspiration?

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To desire him.

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To return to God. Do you understand? It's like, I give you my finger, okay? And like, my finger is like, I would rather be part of a whole, okay? So your finger is always desiring to return to him. Do you understand? Okay? So that's what this is saying. This is saying that God breathed himself into us. There's an aspect of God in us. And this aspect is always looking to return to God. At the same time, God is always calling for us to return to him. Okay? And this is a fundamental logic of the universe. Everything we do is because we want to return to God. Okay? It doesn't mean we know how to do so, but we want to do so.

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Right? Does that make sense? Then why do we need to live in the first place? Like, why do we... Why do we... Why do we need to live? Why did God create Adam?

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What does the Bible say? Why did God create Adam?

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God wanted a relationship.

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He was lonely, man.

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Yeah.

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He wanted to know himself. He was lonely. Right? Yes?

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So I have a question. So according to this theoretical framework, like, you have humans and you have other life, as in planted animals. So technically, planted animals are closer to God than we are because they live in perfect, almost blind obedience to God. And I guess I'm going to ask you about God's natural laws. That is, the laws of physics and the laws of biology. Well, we humans can't consistently defy these laws.

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No, that's the complete opposite of what I just said. Yes. None of them have souls. Okay. So God creates the universe. The universe is governed by these laws that he creates, okay? The laws of physics. This gives rise to everything, including evolution, which creates us. Right? What makes us unique is God touched us. us. God put a part of himself into us. And this part of ourselves that we don't really know, the soul, what it always desires is to return to the whole. We're a part, we want to return to the whole, okay? Everything we do is because we desire to return to the whole, okay? Does that make sense? That's our greatest desire, to return to the whole. We may not know it, we may be ignorant of it, but that's what we truly, truly aspire to, okay? All right, soul reasoning, you can deduce your own resurrection. You need to remember the way in which your human flesh was fashioned when both of the first parents were created.

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What does this mean? What's the message here? Yes? Go ahead.

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So basically, he was saying that both of the first parents referred to Adam and Eve, obviously, and basically, he is restating that thing in Christianity where the soul is immortal. So if you can remember a time before your corrupt flesh, then you're immortal now. Yes, exactly, okay?

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Sorry, do you want to say something? Okay, so what this is saying is like, remember that you think you're a body, you think you're human, but what you are really is an aspect of God. That's what your soul is, an aspect of God, and that makes you eternal, okay? So, So in other words, you can't possibly die. You can only be reborn and be reborn, okay? So if this is the case, what's the purpose of life, right? Because today you're taught that the purpose of life is to seek immortality, to live forever, to be wealthy, right? Don't die. Don't die. But this is telling us, well, you weren't going to die anyway. Who cares? Then what's the purpose of life then? Yes?

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Somehow, I believe life is just about being happy, making yourself as happy as possible without harming other people. But I'm pretty sure that this is the perspective that Dante explicitly disagrees with.

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What would Dante say?

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Well, he rejects the materialism of the Catholic Church, obviously. And basically, the pilgrim Dante is alive here. He is flesh and blood here. And yet he is climbing up to heaven. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He's up into heaven. So basically, what he's trying to say, what I think he's trying to say is that we have to pursue not material pleasures, but a spiritual good.

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Okay, so anyone else? What's the point of our existence?

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Oh, yeah, maybe because the God just tried to come back. So he just hoped that people can bring him back because we're a part of them. We're just like maybe a signal or what he just made us to bring him back, just like we make machine, machine man, right? Or rubber, rubber wool sometimes. So you're saying that God wants to come here? Yeah, he will come back because he live away, right? He will come back. So just like he said, I will come back if you trust me and I will come back. I don't understand why God wants to come here.

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Okay, anyone else? Yeah.

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I think in the last few lines, he kind of says that we want to desire. Yeah. To desire him. So to know him and become like him, I guess. And just like even in paradise, you want to get closer to him, even in paradise.

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Yeah, but I'm saying how do you do that then?

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I guess to know him and be more like him or desire.

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I know, but I'm saying how, right? I think Dante would say the point of life is to love and to imagine. New Year's imagination.

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Okay, so these things are the same thing. Okay. The goal is to love, okay? Why would that be the most important thing you can do in life? Yeah? Because God is love. I understand that. God is love, but what's different between our world and his world? Why are we here?

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Yes. Because we're... I mean, according to Dante, like we're fragments of this love, right? If God is love, we're fragments of this love. And our journey for each and every one of us is to return to the source. So I guess that's...

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Okay, but then like why not just kill yourself?

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Like right now? No, you wouldn't be able to return to the source if you kill yourself. That's not...

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Then how do you return to the source?

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To love, to amplify whatever that is within us, which is breathed into us in order to... To get closer to the source.

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Okay.

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Anyone else? We should act in accordance with natural law. What is natural law? The morality that's set up by God.

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Okay. Right. Okay. Try to be specific, okay? Yes? Did you have a... Okay. All right. Anyone else? Yes?

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Maybe we should try to experience more. We should experience more. Because God can... Can't experience as a human. Okay. All right. Okay.

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Okay. So let's even feel about this, okay? Everything God does is perfect. Everything God does is for a perfect reason. He created this world, which is governed by perfect laws, but it's imperfect in that, well, there's evil, there's pain, there's hunger, there's agony, there's suffering. What's the point of all this? Why would he create a world like this? Yes?

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Well, if I didn't know about whole baptism thing, I would say that we are here and we have to live a full life and we have to live a good life because we have original sin and we have to redeem our souls, which are after all afflicted with original sin from the Adam and Eve business from original sin. But there's this whole baptism thing and therefore my explanation is null and void.

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Okay. All right. So an idea that you guys need to remember is that we don't have to redeem ourselves because Jesus already did it for us. Do you understand? Okay. This is a major assumption of divine comedy. So now the question then is, if we're redeemed, everything that is done is for a purpose, everything is in the mind of God, everything he does is for a perfect reason, what is the purpose of this world that we live in?

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Maybe there's, you know, just like experiment. How about we're living in two worlds. The one world is perfect world, just what God created. There's no misery, no sin, everything is perfect. But the other world is like us, where it may be just like hell, you know, we're in agony and we're in despair. So maybe God will try to test or try to make experiment, just like we put rats into two maids, right? And try to find out if it's just given the right result. And try to find the food. And I like to circle around the maids. So the right will try to knock down the door and try to find the food. So maybe. Yes, go ahead.

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Maybe because love is made perfect in pain and agony, maybe? Like that way, so it's...

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Can you explain?

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Like, you cannot show or exercise or prove love without paying a price for it. So then the other side of the coin is that you have to pay a price or you have to deal with some sort of ugly, evil things to see what's beautiful, maybe? Yeah.

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But I mean, like, why would God do this? What's the point of this? Okay. All right. Let me ask you this question. What is it that we have that God doesn't have? Flesh. Human body. Okay. Is that impressive?

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Mortality.

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Mortality. Death. Yes. Imperfection. Imperfection. Yes. Evilness. We can be evil. Yes. Okay. Okay. Let's now step back and think about what's happening, okay? Beatrice and Dante are together, right? Yep. What is the relationship? What is the relationship?

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Teacher -student.

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Exactly. It's a teacher -student, right? Because Dante's asking questions and Beatrice is providing answers. Are Beatrice's answers perfect? Are they perfect? Are they the absolute truth? Yes. Yes, they are. Yeah. I understand. You can argue with her. But I'm saying like in -

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I'm saying that in Paradiso itself, Beatrice admitted that her words are but an imperfect reflection of the truth. She is trying to communicate the truth, but she is doing it to Dante, and Dante is not able to take the truth in his present form.

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Okay. All right. Okay. Let's take it step by step, okay? First, we've established that the relationship between Beatrice and Dante is perfect. She is a teacher -student, okay? That's point one. Point two is, even though you could be right in like how Beatrice expresses herself where Dante is imperfect, her understanding of the universe is perfect. Correct? Yes. Because she represents God. Everything she says is perfect. We may not understand what she says. Dante may misinterpret what she says, but everything she says is perfect, okay? That's number two. Number three then is what then is the point of teaching Dante?

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So that he can be the mouthpiece and tell people like a prophet.

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So, historically... Can I answer? Yeah. Well, Dante, the divine comedy is you go through hell first to get to heaven. So, earth is hell. And you can learn from all the materialistic things. You can learn if they're good or not and then return to God yourself. But you have to go through inferno first. Okay.

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So, in the Bible, there is a book called Ezekiel. Okay. Ezekiel. You can actually draw it up. Okay. So, we're going to ask Google, okay? How does Ezekiel receive the word of God? All right. So, Ezekiel, it's a book of the Bible. And he goes up to heaven. And he goes up to heaven to receive the word of God. Just like Dante is receiving the word of God. How does Ezekiel receive the word of God, do you think? Okay. So, AI is stupid, okay? No, no, no. If you read the Bible, okay, how does Ezekiel literally receive the word of God? Excuse me?

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Because speak to God, he had a relationship with God?

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No, no, no. What God did was take the scrolls, right? The scrolls carry his message. And then what did God do? He stuffed it into the mouth of Ezekiel. And Ezekiel literally ate it. Do you understand? If you want to make sure the prophet delivers the right message, you stuff it down his throat. Do you understand? So, why is Beatrice wasting all this time dealing with Dante? Yes?

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Why did Ezekiel agree to have this stuffed down his throat?

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So, like, Dante is going through this experience and not just have all this stuff. All of the information is stuffed down his throat because the journey is what matters more than the information.

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Don't you think accuracy matters more? Like, if God wants to deliver a message to his people, don't you think, like, accuracy matters? Right?

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I think it's not about, like, is it? Maybe it's the idea that it's not the end result or the accuracy. There's not a right answer, but it's the individual transformation and the individual journey that matters more.

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Why, though? I'm trying to figure this out, okay? I'm trying to figure out. Okay, like, in Ezekiel, you can just stuff the message down a person's throat so that he never forgets it, okay? And he must quote it word for word, right? But not only does Dante, but not only does Beatrice not stuff anything down her throat, but what happens after Dante goes home? Do you guys remember what happens after he goes home?

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He forgets a bunch of things. He forgets everything! Not everything.

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Basically everything. Okay? This is, like, really weird to, like, for God to deliver a message to people. Like, let's pick a guy who I have to teach, and then he'll probably forget most of everything I teach, and he's going to go back, and he's going to have to remember everything, okay? This is a really silly way of doing things. But God is perfect. Everything God does is for a reason. So what's the reason?

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So can it be that God wants us to utilize our one gift, our one purpose, our one purpose, our one gift that he's given us, free will, to freely choose to be nearer to him, and we each have to take that trip, or that process individually? Dante can't take that trip for us.

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Okay.

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Yeah, that is correct, okay? So how can Dante deliver this message? Or how can Dante help us go on this journey ourselves?

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By writing this book.

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Exactly. There you go. This is why this had to happen, okay? What is it that we have? That God doesn't have? How is Dante able to write this?

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We have a concept of space and time. So like...

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How did Dante write this? Yes?

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Oh, oh, I know. We don't know things. God is all -knowing. God knows everything. So we can...

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How did Dante write the Divine Comedy?

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Dante is channeling God.

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He channeled God, but it was through him, right? So what did he do?

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One thing that he utilized, the things that he was trying to preach against, as in logic and rationalism.

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What did he use to create this thing? Pencil and paper. Did you guys not have it? Imagination. The imagination, do you understand? What is it that we have that God cannot have? The imagination. Why can't God have imagination? He's perfect. Do you understand? If you're perfect, you know everything. You cannot fail. Therefore, you cannot have an imagination. That's why Beatrice cannot come to our world and communicate with us directly, because she lacks the imagination to do so, right? That's the entire point of this journey. Dante must go through this journey himself in order to experience the truth of God, but then he must use his imagination in order to help us go on our own journey, and that is by writing Divine Comedy. The entire purpose of his visit to heaven, was so that he could write the Divine Comedy, okay? Basically, he's a journalist, and he's been invited to heaven to do some reporting

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and come back and then write in a very nice way so that we can all go on this journey ourselves, okay? That's why Dante had to go to heaven. That's why he had to write Divine Comedy, okay? So that we can, by ourselves, go on this journey to heaven and discover what God, truly is. Does that make sense, guys? Again, everything God does is for a perfect reason. If you don't know it, it's because you're not thinking hard enough, okay? Yes?

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Okay, this might be pushing the point here, but if God is perfect and there's nothing that we have that he doesn't have, then how does we have imagination and he doesn't?

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Yeah, that's a good question. Why?

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What is it that we have that God doesn't have? Oh, yeah. Maybe because God is invulnerable, because God can live forever, but life is limited, so people have imagination because if you're limited, so you just always want to know more about. Yeah, exactly.

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Yes, go on. Imagination isn't a skill, something you have, it's something that you lack. So if you already know everything, there's nothing to imagine, but we can imagine because we have gaps in our thinking.

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Yeah, because our lives are limited, we want to transcend to higher, higher realms or higher consciousness. We, that's why we imagine.

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Okay, yeah, but the major point is that what Dante is saying is that we humans are not lesser beings. We are co -equal with God, because even though God has perfection, we have imagination. And so if you're God and you're trying to extend the boundaries of the universe, right, you're trying to create more things in the universe, you can't do so yourself because you're perfection. Okay, so you must use humanity. So everything that happens is for a divine purpose. You understand? And as you say, the reason why we have the imagination is because we have bodies and our bodies can suffer, bodies can feel pain, bodies can die. And what excites the imagination is the fact that we can ask questions. We can make mistakes. We can not know. Okay. Does that make sense? Yes.

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So we're going quantity over quality here, right? Because God could create anything he wants, but he is absolutely perfect. So he is tired of having to create everything. And so he wants people to create more things that he couldn't think of. But these things are going to be imperfect because these people who create are going to be imperfect too. Is that right?

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Um, okay. So let's just say you're God. Okay. And you want to create a perfect world. You do create a perfect world. What's the problem with that? It becomes eternal, right? What is eternity?

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Nothing ever changes.

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Eternity is death. You understand that? Eternity is death. So your only solution to life is infinity. Does that make sense? God is eternal. We are infinite. Love is eternal. The imagination is infinite. Okay. God is not capable of the imagination. Therefore, God had to create us. Okay. Does it make sense to you guys?

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Yeah. Well, actually, I think God and maybe just want to us forever because in the Bible is that the people, they don't need to wear clothes. They're naked and they got surrounded by the light. They're in the light of all. So I mean, they will live forever, but just because people, we just try maybe out of curiosity. So is it world by the snake? So we just stayed in, right? So just eat food and there's another tree instead of the tree with the fruit wisdom. There's another tree that is the longevity, but the people just choose to pick the fruit on the wisdom.

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Okay. Okay. All right.

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Yeah.

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Okay. Yes. Well, I have a related question. So, why haven't anybody else traveled to paradise and write a book just like Dante? Why there's a billions of people that only Dante have went to paradise and wrote a book? What's the answer?

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Well, I don't know if I can answer the question, but I do, you know, just like maybe I was in my dream that I can see something. I mean, my dream, that I was in hell and in the hell and people just feel suffer. But there's another place that I also can saw in my dream is that people saying everything is for free. Everything is for free. So it's really chaotic. Yeah, maybe, maybe there's so many universe. Some of the universe, just, you know, people just like based some of the universe.

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Why was there a Jesus? Why couldn't, why couldn't there be a second Jesus? There was only one Jesus. Why was there just one Jesus? Someone else can't come and be another Jesus. Why not?

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Because Jesus is a facet of God. And if we, if another Jesus comes in and also says, oh, we're going to redeem you of all your sins, then that's basically saying the first Jesus didn't do his job. So the first Jesus will be imperfect. And that wouldn't be very nice. I wouldn't.

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Okay. Okay. So I think Dante was a messenger from God. Okay. So you asked a question earlier today. How did Dante? How is Dante? How is Dante able to do what he did? Okay. So here's some facts about Dante. The man died without a country. He was in exile. He was living off the generosity of his patrons. And after he finished the line comedy in 1321, he died a few months later. Okay. He didn't experience any fame. He was never paid for the line comedy. And as you can see, it is really hard. Okay. It's hard for us to read it, but imagine how hard it is to write it. But he was doing it without a particular reward. What was his reward for doing this? He was not famous in his time. He became famous later. In fact, while he was alive, he was despised by his own people, the Florentines. In fact, the Catholic church was so angry at him.

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They actually wanted like to take up his body and burn him at the stake. Okay. So what motivated the man? How is able to focus 20 years of his life on running something that may or may not have been burned by the Catholic church that may or may not be read by people. Okay. And the only answer that I think makes sense is the moment he was born. He knew what his mission was. And throughout his entire life, the Divine Comedy, in its complete form, appeared to him in certain fragments. And in his head, he kept on imagining these different parts. And then when he finally conceptualized the entirety of the Divine Comedy, he then wrote it down. Okay. And why I say this is, is, okay, I have problems understanding what motivated the man for 20 years to write the Divine Comedy, but also like, think about the impact of the Divine Comedy in our world.

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Not only is the Divine Comedy the source for the Renaissance, it's also the source for the Protestant Reformation, the Second Revolution, the Enlightenment, modernity itself. It changed the entire world by itself. And you're telling me this is all an accident. And you're telling me, oh, well, you know, he just got lucky. 20 years, every day, working his ass off to put this together, not knowing if it'll be read one day. And 100 years after it is published, it forever changed the world. It is recognized today as the most important literary achievement in human history. Today, we read it and we can see its power, even though we are no longer part of his world, right? Even if you don't know any history, you can still read the Divine Comedy and feel its beauty, feel its power. How is this possible? Unless this is all designed by

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God, unless Dante was a messenger of God himself, and he knew from an early age, this is his mission. He structured his entire life for this mission. I don't know. Yes.

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Again, I think that's a very very absolute perspective. And I think it actually diminishes the value of Dante and of the Divine Comedy as a humanist. So the Renaissance is characterized by its humanism. While it is not separate from the Catholic Church, while it's still heavily influenced by religion, I think it's important to know that Dante was a great person and that he did not need a God to make his writing even greater. Similarly, we do not need a God to understand, to understand what Dante wrote, to appreciate it for its greatness. I think as humans, our value is enough.

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Okay. I don't disagree with what you say. Okay. But like, like I want to emphasize certain points about this class. Okay. First of all, this is not an academic seminar. This is about intellectual speculation. It's about going on a journey like Dante went on his journey to figure out the structure, the secrets of the universe itself. That's point one. Point two is on this journey, it has to be a leap of faith. Okay. You have to believe that this is divine. You have to believe this perfection. You have to believe that when you enter the divine comedy, you're entering into the soul of the universe itself. And my argument to you is that if you take this leap of faith, if you open your heart, if you open your mind and you fully embrace divine comedy, you'll be transformed by it. Okay. And you know what? If it is not true, there's actually no harm to you.

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Okay. But if I'm correct, this could be the most life transforming experience in your life. So why not just take the risk? Put away your delusions or your beliefs about our world and fully embrace divinity. Okay. And I'm saying only by doing that, you truly appreciate the divine comedy. Is that clear to you guys? Okay. Okay. That's it for today. We'll continue tomorrow. Okay.
