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America loses if it is forced out of the Middle East and loses the petrodollar machine. The GCC sells oil in dollars, recycles the proceeds into the American economy, and now helps finance AI infrastructure through sovereign wealth funds. A retreat from the Gulf is therefore not just a prestige loss. 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Jiang does not romanticize it. He says factions inside Iran fear the Revolutionary Guard may use war to control the whole economy, and he calls that disastrous for progressive secular forces. But the same war also gives those factions their revenge story: 1979, Soleimani, and an opportunity to destroy Americans even at terrible cost to Iranian society.", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0030", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0031", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0032" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0030", "segment_id": "seg-0030", "start": 1052.07, "end": 1086.57, "time_label": "17:32", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "there was another name as well Tulsi and Howard Lutnik were the two names that were brought up first on the you know chopping blocks that he may move on from going back to it Iran IRGC your opinion on them you hear the..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0031", "segment_id": "seg-0031", "start": 1087.11, "end": 1152.63, "time_label": "18:07", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "stays in power so I think there are many factions within Iran that are very concerned that if this war continues the Revolutionary uh guards will be able to control all of Iranian society um so right now they can show a..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0032", "segment_id": "seg-0032", "start": 1152.63, "end": 1159.55, "time_label": "19:12", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "this as an opportunity to destroy the Americans once and for all, even at the cost of their own society. 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If America has killed Iranian leaders and then simply backs off, it may only have purchased a larger revenge cycle. Jiang agrees there is no easy off-ramp. His proposal is not bilateral sweetness with Iran but a table of four: the United States, Russia, China, and Iran, building a new trade relationship that still uses the dollar because no one else wants the reserve-currency burden.", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0033", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0034", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0035", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0037", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0038" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0033", "segment_id": "seg-0033", "start": 1159.65, "end": 1207.296, "time_label": "19:19", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "That's interesting. So if you know, have you ever watched The Godfather, the Godfather series? I'm assuming you have. I have. Okay. 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The Trumpian move, in Jiang’s voice, is brutal: screw Iran, screw Ukraine, consolidate Canada and Mexico, and retreat into a self-sufficient Western Hemisphere.", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0038", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0039" ], "marks": [ { "text": "screw Iran, screw Ukraine", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0039" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0039", "segment_id": "seg-0039", "start": 1340.56, "end": 1400.94, "time_label": "22:20", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Well, I mean, the reality is that America is going to have a hard time holding onto its empire. And Trump has said this many times. 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Russia and China make settlement possible.", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0041", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0042", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0043", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0046", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0047" ], "marks": [ { "text": "NATO, Wall Street, the City of London, global finance", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0043" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0043", "segment_id": "seg-0043", "start": 1454.64, "end": 1510.02, "time_label": "24:14", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, you can make the argument that Trump is not just at war with Iran. Trump is ultimately at war with the globalists, right? The state of London, Wall Street, global finance, right? 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A settlement t..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0140", "segment_id": "seg-0140", "start": 4338.034, "end": 4350.39, "time_label": "1:12:18", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And we lose 30 % of the world's fertilizer. And this means that the entire world is going to be drawn into this war. And this means that every person will be affected." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0141", "segment_id": "seg-0141", "start": 4351.64, "end": 4357.9, "time_label": "1:12:31", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Well, appreciate that perspective. Thank you for making the time to get on. 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But I think that given what's been happening in this war, I think there are a lot of..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0108", "segment_id": "seg-0108", "start": 3349.38, "end": 3397.81, "time_label": "55:49", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "OK, so unfortunately, COVID has been has been memory hold in China. So no one talks about it. It was a traumatic three or four years for Chinese society. And people just have basically just forgotten about the experienc..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0110", "segment_id": "seg-0110", "start": 3416.51, "end": 3485.04, "time_label": "56:56", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I'll tell you what I believe happened, OK? And so I believe that this was American bioweapon funded by Tony Fauci. Obama had put a moratorium. OK. A ban on gain of function research. And so Fauci subcontracted gain o..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0113", "segment_id": "seg-0113", "start": 3506.94, "end": 3519.26, "time_label": "58:26", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Chinese people know where the political red lines are and they know how the political winds are shifting. And so there's really no questioning of the government. Yeah." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0115", "segment_id": "seg-0115", "start": 3542.9, "end": 3574.44, "time_label": "59:02", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "I feel like if you want if you want a healthy, creative, resilient society, you need free and open debate. The best thing about America is the First Amendment. The best thing is that anyone can criticize the president...." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0119", "segment_id": "seg-0119", "start": 3639.69, "end": 3677.41, "time_label": "1:00:39", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Well, well. Well, no. I mean, the reason is that China has developed an AI surveillance state that is the most advanced in the world. Right. So China has digital I.D. and digital currency. Right. And so with that, every..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0122", "segment_id": "seg-0122", "start": 3748.86, "end": 3800.79, "time_label": "1:02:28", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Right. So the Chinese approach to soft power is co -opting elites. Right. So in China, the elites have all the power. The people have no power. And they assume that's just how the power works. That's how the world works..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0124", "segment_id": "seg-0124", "start": 3846.57, "end": 3930.67, "time_label": "1:04:06", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Right. So there were some prominent terrorist attacks where Muslims, Uighurs, launched knife attacks in train stations, killing dozens of Chinese. And a lot of these Uighurs came back from wars in the Middle East. So th..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0129", "segment_id": "seg-0129", "start": 4010.92, "end": 4044.36, "time_label": "1:06:50", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, the reality is that the Communist Party prides itself on being atheistic. So it is trying to downplay religion. Not just against the Muslims, but also against Christians, against people of all faiths. And they're..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0131", "segment_id": "seg-0131", "start": 4057.98, "end": 4118.4, "time_label": "1:07:37", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Right. So in China, there are lots of things I cannot talk about. But I'm not on social media. I'm not on Chinese social media. I don't talk to Chinese reporters. So I'm not constrained by this. But because I'm based in..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0135", "segment_id": "seg-0135", "start": 4199.65, "end": 4223.4, "time_label": "1:09:59", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "That's right. Look, I'm 100 % confident that this is individual Chinese behavior. Where they're trying to store their wealth. Look, the reality is that if you leave your wealth in China, there's no legal protection. The..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0139", "segment_id": "seg-0139", "start": 4278.36, "end": 4338.034, "time_label": "1:11:18", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Yeah. So I think these next few days will be crucial for the world. I pray to God, even though I'm not religious, that we come to a peace settlement that Trump tackles again. And Iran offers a settlement. 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And this means that every person will be affected." } ] } ], "questions": [ { "id": "interview-wio-7-gios-q1", "question": "What pattern led you to predict Trump would go to war with Iran and America would lose?", "asked_by": "Patrick Bet-David, interviewer", "question_refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0002", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0006" ], "answer": "Jiang says declining empires believe they are invincible, start risky wars they expect to win, and get trapped in resource-draining quagmires; Iran would be hard for America because of terrain and industrial limits.", "answer_refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0007", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0008" ], "refs_detail": [], "answer_paragraphs": [ { "text": "Jiang says declining empires believe they are invincible, start risky wars they expect to win, and get trapped in resource-draining quagmires; Iran would be hard for America because of terrain and 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"interview-wio-7-gios-q3", "question": "Define losing. What does it mean for America to lose to Iran?", "asked_by": "Patrick Bet-David, interviewer", "question_refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0025" ], "answer": "Jiang defines loss as forced U.S. retreat from the Middle East, loss of the GCC petrodollar system, economic collapse pressure, and possible American civil conflict.", "answer_refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0026", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0027" ], "refs_detail": [], "answer_paragraphs": [ { "text": "Jiang defines loss as forced U.S. retreat from the Middle East, loss of the GCC petrodollar system, economic collapse pressure, and possible American civil conflict.", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0026", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0027" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0026", "segment_id": "seg-0026", "start": 898.4, "end": 936.04, "time_label": "14:58", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "right so loss means that America is forced to retreat from the Middle East and this will enable to um control the GCC countries because remember the GCC is very important for the petrodollar system where the GCC sells i..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0027", "segment_id": "seg-0027", "start": 936.06, "end": 984.47, "time_label": "15:36", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "have um a civil war emerge in America a civil war emerge in America okay uh interesting do do you think do you think uh uh the president has a team of rivals right now that are trying to prevent that from happening beca..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [], "marks": [] } ] }, { "id": "interview-wio-7-gios-q4", "question": "Why host a meeting with Russia, China, and Iran if it looks like three against one?", "asked_by": "Patrick Bet-David, interviewer", "question_refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0038" ], "answer": "Jiang says America is paying too much for empire and all four powers have reason to preserve the dollar; Russia and China can pressure Iran where direct U.S.-Iran negotiation cannot.", "answer_refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0037", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0039", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0046", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0047" ], "refs_detail": [], "answer_paragraphs": [ { "text": "Jiang says America is paying too much for empire and all four powers have reason to preserve the dollar; Russia and China can pressure Iran where direct U.S.-Iran negotiation cannot.", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0037", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0039", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0046", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0047" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0037", "segment_id": "seg-0037", "start": 1263.14, "end": 1300.78, "time_label": "21:03", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "If I were the Gulf States and if I were the United States, my... I don't know. My advice would be to organize a conference for four countries, the United States, Russia, Iran, and China. Do not include the Europeans. Do..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0039", "segment_id": "seg-0039", "start": 1340.56, "end": 1400.94, "time_label": "22:20", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Well, I mean, the reality is that America is going to have a hard time holding onto its empire. And Trump has said this many times. Because America is the world reserve currency, because America is responsible for prote..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0046", "segment_id": "seg-0046", "start": 1570.24, "end": 1630.207, "time_label": "26:10", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, I completely agree with you in that the great fear is that Iran becomes much more extremist and much more theoretical, theocratic than it is now. The Ayatollah Khamenei was considered a pretty moderate individual...." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0047", "segment_id": "seg-0047", "start": 1630.207, "end": 1650.56, "time_label": "27:10", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And that's what I'm saying. You need these four countries to sit down together to come to an agreement. If Trump were trying to negotiate with Iran directly, you'll get nowhere. But if China and Russia entered the negot..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [], "marks": [] } ] }, { "id": "interview-wio-7-gios-q5", "question": "What is China’s real population problem, and why would local governments lie?", "asked_by": "Patrick Bet-David, interviewer", "question_refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0052", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0055", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0057", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0059" ], "answer": "Jiang says China probably still has over a billion people, but the real problem is aging and fertility; local governments inflate population and economic data because funding and promotions depend on reported performance.", "answer_refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0053", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0054", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0056", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0058", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0060" ], "refs_detail": [], "answer_paragraphs": [ { "text": "Jiang says China probably still has over a billion people, but the real problem is aging and fertility; local governments inflate population and economic data because funding and promotions depend on reported performance.", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0053", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0054", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0056", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0058", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0060" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0053", "segment_id": "seg-0053", "start": 1816.4, "end": 1867.32, "time_label": "30:16", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, I live in Beijing. I visited China. There are a lot of people in China. I mean, just ride the subway. It's packed every single day. Just walk the streets. They're packed all the time. You know, and I travel a lot...." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0054", "segment_id": "seg-0054", "start": 1867.38, "end": 1885.68, "time_label": "31:07", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "China's about one. But I can easily see China overtaking South Korea in like five years time. So that's the real issue facing China. China still has a lot of people, but the demographic curve is going to be a huge issue..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0056", "segment_id": "seg-0056", "start": 1897.68, "end": 1917.18, "time_label": "31:37", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Right. So the issue in China is that local governments tend to lie all the time because a lot of their promotions depend on the performance locally. Right. So it's in their best interest to inflate just not population s..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0058", "segment_id": "seg-0058", "start": 1940.56, "end": 1974.3, "time_label": "32:20", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So China doesn't really care much about the world. China is an enclosed, insular bureaucracy. So local governments are lying in order to get more funding from the central government. Right. So obviously, if you have mor..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0060", "segment_id": "seg-0060", "start": 1994.7, "end": 2053.74, "time_label": "33:14", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "You know, there is concern in the central government. And the reason why is that China is very much a metric based society. It's very utilitarian. Right. So it's very focused on economic growth. And what drives economic..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [], "marks": [] } ] }, { "id": "interview-wio-7-gios-q6", "question": "How much interest is there in democracy in China?", "asked_by": "Patrick Bet-David, interviewer", "question_refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0077" ], "answer": "Jiang says almost none, because democracy would require rights, liberty, empathy, and rule of law, while China’s imperial tradition teaches people to seek security through bureaucratic rank.", "answer_refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0078", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0080" ], "refs_detail": [], "answer_paragraphs": [ { "text": "Jiang says almost none, because democracy would require rights, liberty, empathy, and rule of law, while China’s imperial tradition teaches people to seek security through bureaucratic rank.", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0078", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0080" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0078", "segment_id": "seg-0078", "start": 2560.96, "end": 2603.22, "time_label": "42:40", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I've been in China for 25 years and I can tell you that there is almost no interest in democracy in China because for democracy to exist in China, for democracy to happen in China, you would need to have people who r..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0080", "segment_id": "seg-0080", "start": 2605.66, "end": 2626.44, "time_label": "43:25", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Exactly. And the higher you climb the bureaucracy, the better, because traditionally China's an empire and the way you survive an empire is to become a civil servant. And that's why. That's why Chinese work so hard in s..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [], "marks": [] } ] }, { "id": "interview-wio-7-gios-q7", "question": "Do you feel safe in China long term?", "asked_by": "Patrick Bet-David, interviewer", "question_refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0100" ], "answer": "Jiang says he does not plan to stay long term because China may try to co-opt his overseas influence and turn him into a soft-power weapon.", "answer_refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0101" ], "refs_detail": [], "answer_paragraphs": [ { "text": "Jiang says he does not plan to stay long term because China may try to co-opt his overseas influence and turn him into a soft-power weapon.", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0101" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0101", "segment_id": "seg-0101", "start": 3119.11, "end": 3137.93, "time_label": "51:59", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "OK, I think because I'll tell you what, because right now China is very interested in soft power. And right now I have a lot of self -power. I have a lot of influence overseas. And so they want to co -opt me. 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Maybe the meeting is a better meeting. If it's Russia, China and the U.S. And not involving Iran on phase one, just to kind of get the pulse there. Because the leverage, you're right, because Russia's, they kind of help each other, right? Because they were selling the cheap drones, the Shahids, I don't know what they're called, Shavids or Shahids to Russia. And Russia was buying it from them back and forth, because Iran makes some of the best small drones similar to Ukraine, Shahid, yeah. The drones that they make, the loud ones that are very effective in a war like this. Okay. So that's interesting to see what happens there. But you do agree that the level of extremism that IRGC has, if there is a way to get rid of that regime and be more of a democracy, the world would be a safer place with them being gone. You would agree with that?", "word_count": 160, "timed_chunks": [ { "id": "seg-0048-chunk-001", "start": 1651.74, "end": 1655.02, "text": "Yeah. 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I lived there for almost 11 years. So I witnessed what they're like. And the level of radicalism that they have is a whole different story. Let me ask you a couple other questions about China, since you're in Beijing right now. There's this data that's going around when China went to the one -child policy that maybe the population isn't as big as they claim it is. I'm sure you've seen this, where the numbers are going around, it's, oh, you know, we're at 1.4 billion, we're at 1.3 billion. And then it's like, no, not necessarily. You may be at six, seven. One lady said 400 million. Mathematically, it's impossible to be at 1.3 billion. You may be at 400 million. But some of the numbers could say eight, 900 million. 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Heights uh he ordered the assassination of General Qasem salamani in January 2020. and so if he had a second term he would have most certainly gone to war against Iran so..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0010", "segment_id": "seg-0010", "start": 326.52, "end": 373.44, "time_label": "5:26", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "conclusion got it that's fair and by the way there's a very book a good book a book written by Jim Collins where he says uh why the mighty fall why the mighty fall and he goes through five steps stages of the Glenn and..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0011", "segment_id": "seg-0011", "start": 373.44, "end": 425.18, "time_label": "6:13", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "don't have a country right now so you have to always stay a little bit paranoid about what could happen now let me go to the tweet of what President Trump uh posted on Truth Social this morning the world is reacting to..." }, { "ref": 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president's Minds at what would you say well I would say that Trump um has a history of working in reality TV he thinks in terms of television he asked himself what will draw attention what will look g..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0016", "segment_id": "seg-0016", "start": 601.61, "end": 672.4, "time_label": "10:01", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "uh so for example um what just happened this weekend was that Trump announced the rescue of a down American pilot and if you watch the press conference yesterday um he fought a tremendous success and was very proud of t..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0017", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0018", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0019", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0020" ], "kind": "exchange", "summary": "PBD asks about best and worst cases and clarifies that Jiang would have 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"13:37", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "their bodies so the Iranian government has called on for the young people of Iran to make the ultimate sacrifice and make the human chain around all power plants in Iran and so the Americans go in to blow up all the pow..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0023", "segment_id": "seg-0023", "start": 844.84, "end": 854.94, "time_label": "14:04", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "absolute worst case scenario what's your likelihood of that happening give a percentage like if you're gonna do a cal sheet type of I think that's a one percent two percent if you were a betting man what" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0024", "segment_id": "seg-0024", "start": 854.94, "end": 868.13, "time_label": "14:14", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "would you say it is so I would say best case scenario is one percent I would say worst case scenario is ten percent and I would say a limited ground uh 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aware of the risks of what could happen if he goes aggressive here do you think he's fully aware of it I think unfortunately he's running himself with" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0029", "segment_id": "seg-0029", "start": 997.02, "end": 1052.07, "time_label": "16:37", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "me right so uh President Trump said about a couple weeks ago um when people asked him why are we in this war because he has never really articulated a reason or an objective for this war and he basically said that well..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0030", "segment_id": "seg-0030", "start": 1052.07, "end": 1086.57, "time_label": "17:32", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "there was another name as well Tulsi and Howard Lutnik were the two names that were brought up first on the you know chopping blocks that he may move on from going back to it Iran IRGC your opinion on them you hear the..." }, { "ref": 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I have. Okay. So if you know this, and you know that if Iran hated us a year ago, if Iran hated us ei..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0034", "segment_id": "seg-0034", "start": 1207.296, "end": 1217.3, "time_label": "20:07", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "If you're this far and you get out, didn't you just make Iran even angrier to want to retaliate to U.S. and the rest of the world?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0035", "segment_id": "seg-0035", "start": 1219.85, "end": 1239.15, "time_label": "20:19", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Yeah. I mean, I think it's very hard to see an off ramp here because the Iranians will not give up. Even if Americans were to leave, the Iranians would assert control over the GCC, right? And that's why Saudi Arabia and..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0036", "segment_id": "seg-0036", "start": 1239.29, "end": 1261.09, "time_label": "20:39", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "But once you start the war. What do you think is the right move? You're an advisor. You've said a lot of crazy things, which is very interesting. And I like to hear what you're saying because, you know, when everybody i..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0037", "segment_id": "seg-0037", "start": 1263.14, "end": 1300.78, "time_label": "21:03", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "If I were the Gulf States and if I were the United States, my... I don't know. My advice would be to organize a conference for four countries, the United States, Russia, Iran, and China. Do not include the Europeans. 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I mean, I think it's very hard to see an off ramp here because the Iranians will not give up. Even if Americans were to leave, the Iranians would assert control over the GCC, right? And that's why Saudi Arabia and..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0036", "segment_id": "seg-0036", "start": 1239.29, "end": 1261.09, "time_label": "20:39", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "But once you start the war. What do you think is the right move? You're an advisor. You've said a lot of crazy things, which is very interesting. And I like to hear what you're saying because, you know, when everybody i..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0037", "segment_id": "seg-0037", "start": 1263.14, "end": 1300.78, "time_label": "21:03", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "If I were the Gulf States and if I were the United States, my... I don't know. My advice would be to organize a conference for four countries, the United States, Russia, Iran, and China. Do not include the Europeans. Do..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0038", "segment_id": "seg-0038", "start": 1301.86, "end": 1339.88, "time_label": "21:41", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Why would you do that if those three all hate you and if you're in a meeting with them, China's not necessarily an ally, Russia's not necessarily an ally, Iran's not necessarily an ally, why would I hold this meeting kn..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0039", "segment_id": "seg-0039", "start": 1340.56, "end": 1400.94, "time_label": "22:20", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Well, I mean, the reality is that America is going to have a hard time holding onto its empire. And Trump has said this many times. Because America is the world reserve currency, because America is responsible for prote..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0041", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0042", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0043", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0044", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0045" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "PBD presses that the war is already underway, asks about Trump’s leverage over NATO, and asks whether removing the IRGC would make the world safer.", "speaker_attribution": "Patrick Bet-David", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0041", "segment_id": "seg-0041", "start": 1401.34, "end": 1446.73, "time_label": "23:21", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "A lot of people agree with you on that. A lot of people agree with you. But here's the problem, though, Jiang. The problem is we're in too deep right now. So this is a good conversation 45 days ago. I'm saying to you, w..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0042", "segment_id": "seg-0042", "start": 1446.73, "end": 1453.37, "time_label": "24:06", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "I do know the, do you think, do you think Trump has a ton of leverage over NATO right now? Do you think the leverage has over NATO?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0043", "segment_id": "seg-0043", "start": 1454.64, "end": 1510.02, "time_label": "24:14", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, you can make the argument that Trump is not just at war with Iran. Trump is ultimately at war with the globalists, right? The state of London, Wall Street, global finance, right? So NATO represents the globalists..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0044", "segment_id": "seg-0044", "start": 1513.55, "end": 1557.03, "time_label": "25:13", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Well, he's constantly complimentary of his relationship with Xi and Putin. If you ever notice when he speaks, he's like, look, I'd rather be friendly than not friendly. We had a good talk. We're going to go visit back i..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0045", "segment_id": "seg-0045", "start": 1557.03, "end": 1568.81, "time_label": "25:57", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "had an easier way to get rid of IRGC, question for you, is the world a better place with IRGC no longer being in power? 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Trump is ultimately at war with the globalists, right? The state of London, Wall Street, global finance, right? So NATO represents the globalists..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0044", "segment_id": "seg-0044", "start": 1513.55, "end": 1557.03, "time_label": "25:13", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Well, he's constantly complimentary of his relationship with Xi and Putin. If you ever notice when he speaks, he's like, look, I'd rather be friendly than not friendly. We had a good talk. We're going to go visit back i..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0045", "segment_id": "seg-0045", "start": 1557.03, "end": 1568.81, "time_label": "25:57", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "had an easier way to get rid of IRGC, question for you, is the world a better place with IRGC no longer being in power? And it being replaced by some sort of a democracy?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0046", "segment_id": "seg-0046", "start": 1570.24, "end": 1630.207, "time_label": "26:10", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, I completely agree with you in that the great fear is that Iran becomes much more extremist and much more theoretical, theocratic than it is now. The Ayatollah Khamenei was considered a pretty moderate individual...." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0047", "segment_id": "seg-0047", "start": 1630.207, "end": 1650.56, "time_label": "27:10", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And that's what I'm saying. You need these four countries to sit down together to come to an agreement. If Trump were trying to negotiate with Iran directly, you'll get nowhere. But if China and Russia entered the negot..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0049", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0050", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0051" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang agrees theocracy is bad for Iran but says war will empower the most extreme religious elements; he expects a more vibrant Persian nationalism to emerge as the counter to Shia theocracy.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0049", "segment_id": "seg-0049", "start": 1704.86, "end": 1729.52, "time_label": "28:24", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Yeah. No, I would agree that it is not good, it is not in the best interest of Iran to be a theocracy. I think these are Persian people. These are the Muslims. These are the most enlightened people with a long history...." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0050", "segment_id": "seg-0050", "start": 1729.84, "end": 1746.62, "time_label": "28:49", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "So you would want to see the religious, the Ruhollah, the Khameneis, all that to be gone, and it's just ran by government, not a theocratic type of a government. You'd like to see that happen. Do you think there's a saf..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0051", "segment_id": "seg-0051", "start": 1746.62, "end": 1771.61, "time_label": "29:06", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Given what's happened so far, and given that Trump seems intent on attacking Iran's critical civilian infrastructure, I think this will only embolden and empower the most extreme religious elements in Iranian society, b..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0052", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0053", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0054", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0055", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0056" ], "kind": "exchange", "summary": "PBD shifts to China population claims. Jiang says China likely overcounts some population data, but the real problem is aging, low fertility, and local-government incentives to inflate statistics for subsidies and promotions.", "speaker_attribution": "Patrick Bet-David and Jiang", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0052", "segment_id": "seg-0052", "start": 1771.83, "end": 1814.17, "time_label": "29:31", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Yeah, I live with them. I lived there for almost 11 years. So I witnessed what they're like. And the level of radicalism that they have is a whole different story. Let me ask you a couple other questions about China, si..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0053", "segment_id": "seg-0053", "start": 1816.4, "end": 1867.32, "time_label": "30:16", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, I live in Beijing. I visited China. There are a lot of people in China. I mean, just ride the subway. It's packed every single day. Just walk the streets. They're packed all the time. You know, and I travel a lot...." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0054", "segment_id": "seg-0054", "start": 1867.38, "end": 1885.68, "time_label": "31:07", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "China's about one. But I can easily see China overtaking South Korea in like five years time. So that's the real issue facing China. China still has a lot of people, but the demographic curve is going to be a huge issue..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0055", "segment_id": "seg-0055", "start": 1886.22, "end": 1896.5, "time_label": "31:26", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Why would they lie? How does it benefit them to lie about the population? Is there a benefit? Like if because why would they who cares if you're at 800 million or if you had 1.3 billion?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0056", "segment_id": "seg-0056", "start": 1897.68, "end": 1917.18, "time_label": "31:37", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Right. So the issue in China is that local governments tend to lie all the time because a lot of their promotions depend on the performance locally. Right. So it's in their best interest to inflate just not population s..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0057", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0058", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0059", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0060", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0061" ], "kind": "exchange", "summary": "PBD asks who incentivizes bad Chinese data; Jiang says Beijing receives inflated local information and that population decline could ultimately be good by reducing an exploitative growth model.", "speaker_attribution": "Patrick Bet-David and Jiang", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0057", "segment_id": "seg-0057", "start": 1917.5, "end": 1940.4, "time_label": "31:57", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "So I so so does Xi incentivize local governments to lie? Is it is it more, hey, we got a safe face for the world. The world cannot see that we're declining country. What is what is the who who is incentivizing who to li..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0058", "segment_id": "seg-0058", "start": 1940.56, "end": 1974.3, "time_label": "32:20", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So China doesn't really care much about the world. China is an enclosed, insular bureaucracy. So local governments are lying in order to get more funding from the central government. Right. So obviously, if you have mor..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0059", "segment_id": "seg-0059", "start": 1975.2, "end": 1993.02, "time_label": "32:55", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Got it. Okay. But but you don't think there's a reason there's a good or bad thing for the world if all of a sudden we got the right data that the population isn't 1.3 billion, it's really only eight, 900 million. 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And what drives economic..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0061", "segment_id": "seg-0061", "start": 2053.88, "end": 2054.2, "time_label": "34:13", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Yeah." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0062", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0063", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0064" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Asked about lying flat, Jiang says 1980s party elders feared capitalism would create spiritual pollution, and he now sees utilitarian get-rich-or-die-trying China producing corruption, debt, inequality, apathy, and opt-out youth.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0062", "segment_id": "seg-0062", "start": 2054.3, "end": 2079.27, "time_label": "34:14", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "And you kind of talk about the tank ping movement, right? The line flat, I think they call it, where young kids are kind of like, screw it. There's no reason for me to give my best. So I'm going to be a minimalist. I'm..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0063", "segment_id": "seg-0063", "start": 2079.27, "end": 2140.85, "time_label": "34:39", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So in the 1980s, China was embarking on economic reform. And there was a real concern among party elders, like people who went through the revolution that brought the Communist Party into power in 1949. There's a real c..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0064", "segment_id": "seg-0064", "start": 2140.87, "end": 2191.89, "time_label": "35:40", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "If you started, you lose all of your money because it's a rigged game. And that's why people are opting out. And because of spiritual pollution, because there's really no ideology, there's really no sense of nationalism..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0065", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0066" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang explains how young Chinese can opt out by living with or caring for pensioned parents because families are frugal and saved heavily through COVID.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0065", "segment_id": "seg-0065", "start": 2192.91, "end": 2200.79, "time_label": "36:32", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "And who pays them, though? Who pays them? Is there entitlement programs? Are they able to stay home all day? What is the system for me to stay home all day?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0066", "segment_id": "seg-0066", "start": 2200.87, "end": 2233.72, "time_label": "36:40", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "A very common practice is for young people to go work as nurses or maids for their retired parents. Their parents collect a very nice pension. Chinese are very frugal. You know, during COVID, when everyone was locked in..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0067", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0068", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0069", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0070", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0071", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0072" ], "kind": "exchange", "summary": "PBD asks about Jack Ma and Jimmy Lai. Jiang says Xi-era regulators saw overheating, corruption, real-estate speculation, and billionaire financial Ponzi schemes, and that Jack Ma crossed the red line by challenging government authority.", "speaker_attribution": "Patrick Bet-David and Jiang", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0067", "segment_id": "seg-0067", "start": 2234.08, "end": 2280.11, "time_label": "37:14", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Yeah. And the idea is they don't invest much in the stock market. They don't believe in the market. But they do believe in the real estate side, even though the real estate has taken a bit of a hit. But you've always le..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0068", "segment_id": "seg-0068", "start": 2280.79, "end": 2291.87, "time_label": "38:00", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Here's a guy at the time, I don't know what he was worth, $50 billion, give or take. He's a very wealthy man. He disappeared. What is your impression of what happened to him? Yeah. He's a very wealthy man because no one..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0069", "segment_id": "seg-0069", "start": 2293.51, "end": 2355.19, "time_label": "38:13", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Right. So when President Xi came into power, there's a real concern among Chinese economists that the economy was overheated, meaning, to put it very bluntly, there's too much corruption in the system. There was too muc..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0070", "segment_id": "seg-0070", "start": 2355.29, "end": 2370.83, "time_label": "39:15", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "You can't question the authority of the government. And Jack Ma, he was the richest man in China. He was the most popular man in China at that time. And he thought that he could change the system. And he found out that,..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0071", "segment_id": "seg-0071", "start": 2371.91, "end": 2382.51, "time_label": "39:31", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Got it. And what is the difference between him and the other fellow, Jimmy? I'm trying to get his name right, his last name right. Is it Jimmy Lay? Jimmy Lay? Do you remember the Jimmy Lay story?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0072", "segment_id": "seg-0072", "start": 2383.61, "end": 2394.09, "time_label": "39:43", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Right. So these are two different societies. These are two different political systems. Hong Kong is considered like a quasi -sovereign part of China." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0073", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0074", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0075", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0076" ], "kind": "exchange", "summary": "PBD asks for a U.S. analogy to Jimmy Lai; Jiang says Hong Kong is quasi-sovereign and Jimmy Lai crossed Beijing red lines by backing democracy protests, choosing martyrdom rather than exile.", "speaker_attribution": "Patrick Bet-David and Jiang", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0073", "segment_id": "seg-0073", "start": 2394.25, "end": 2397.19, "time_label": "39:54", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Is that kind of like the equivalent of like a Puerto Rico in America?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0074", "segment_id": "seg-0074", "start": 2398.03, "end": 2449.77, "time_label": "39:58", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Exactly. Exactly. And I mean, Jimmy Lay is an outspoken critic of the Communist Party. He is very pro -democracy, but he probably pushed too many buttons. He probably crossed too many red lines. So I think what led to h..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0075", "segment_id": "seg-0075", "start": 2450.01, "end": 2497.35, "time_label": "40:50", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Who is he in China to America? Is there a comparison? Because this is a guy that was a billionaire. In 2020, he was pushing democracy. Then I think China passed a law that, you know, there are certain things you couldn'..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0076", "segment_id": "seg-0076", "start": 2500.35, "end": 2536.67, "time_label": "41:40", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Well, I mean, America has freedom of speech. America respects its business people. America respects its entrepreneurs. So it's very hard for me to find an analogy who is American. 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And because, you know, you guys got your one party, right? One political party. You don't have a lot of choice. This is what we'r..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0078", "segment_id": "seg-0078", "start": 2560.96, "end": 2603.22, "time_label": "42:40", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I've been in China for 25 years and I can tell you that there is almost no interest in democracy in China because for democracy to exist in China, for democracy to happen in China, you would need to have people who r..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0079", "segment_id": "seg-0079", "start": 2603.3, "end": 2604.92, "time_label": "43:23", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "You want to you want to be a bureaucrat one day?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0080", "segment_id": "seg-0080", "start": 2605.66, "end": 2626.44, "time_label": "43:25", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Exactly. And the higher you climb the bureaucracy, the better, because traditionally China's an empire and the way you survive an empire is to become a civil servant. And that's why. 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And then when I was six, we immigrated to Toronto, Canada, where I grew up. I went to high school there. I did five years of high school because, you know, in Canada, we're we're slower than Amer..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0083", "segment_id": "seg-0083", "start": 2655.99, "end": 2676.15, "time_label": "44:15", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "So how many years did you live in the US for four years? OK, so if you were to say the dream for a kid in Canada when he grows up, he wants to be a the dream for an American when he grows up, he wants to be a and you al..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0084", "segment_id": "seg-0084", "start": 2678.31, "end": 2684.79, "time_label": "44:38", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Well, in Canada, I grew up in Canada. Everyone wants to be a hockey player. When I grew up, I didn't play hockey, but I want to be a hockey player. I wanted to play for the NHL." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0085", "segment_id": "seg-0085", "start": 2684.83, "end": 2685.01, "time_label": "44:44", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Yep." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0086", "segment_id": "seg-0086", "start": 2685.23, "end": 2704.99, "time_label": "44:45", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "I mean, I could I can't even skate. OK, but I wanted to be a hockey player. In America, I think you want to be an entrepreneur. 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And if I'm not mistaken, what happened with the PBS documentary that you try to do that they kicked you out and then eventually they let y..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0088", "segment_id": "seg-0088", "start": 2731.38, "end": 2787.24, "time_label": "45:31", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I came to China to teach English and eventually I became interested in journalism and I was hired to do freelance journalism. I got a contract from PBS to do a documentary on China's WTO entry. 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So you had the opportunity to go over there and and by the way, your content that you create in China that you upload on YouTube, do you also upload it on the channels in China or is it mainly for the content in..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0095", "segment_id": "seg-0095", "start": 2989.66, "end": 3007, "time_label": "49:49", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I have a very strict policy of not engaging in Chinese social media. I do not have a Chinese social media account. Chinese reporters have reached out to have interviews with me and I've said no. Chinese people have r..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0096", "segment_id": "seg-0096", "start": 3007.82, "end": 3016.02, "time_label": "50:07", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "And when you say they reached out, who reached out to you, like the bigger platforms or media companies or all the way from the top, the CCP?" } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0097", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0098", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0099", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0100", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0101" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang says elite Tsinghua professors reached out, but he avoids them because they represent the government and could turn him into a propaganda mouthpiece; he says he is monitored and does not plan to remain in China long term because China may try to co-opt his overseas influence.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0097", "segment_id": "seg-0097", "start": 3017.01, "end": 3076.65, "time_label": "50:17", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Well, a team of professors, professors at the very elite universities in China, Tsinghua University. And I don't want to talk to these people because they represent the government. And I don't want to put myself in a po..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0098", "segment_id": "seg-0098", "start": 3076.79, "end": 3086.67, "time_label": "51:16", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Yeah, that's interesting. So have they ever knocked on your door and said, hey, you cross on a lysing, pump the brakes. That's too much. Relax or no. They leave you alone. Nobody's knocked on your door." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0099", "segment_id": "seg-0099", "start": 3088.2, "end": 3108.64, "time_label": "51:28", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "I work at a school. I'm I'm employed by the school. They have legal responsibility for me. And there was one time when I wrote a subsect essay that mentioned China. And I was given a call by the school leadership and to..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0100", "segment_id": "seg-0100", "start": 3109.12, "end": 3119.05, "time_label": "51:49", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "I can I can only imagine that. I can only imagine that. Do you feel safe for yourself in China long term? I do not plan on staying in China long term." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0101", "segment_id": "seg-0101", "start": 3119.11, "end": 3137.93, "time_label": "51:59", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "OK, I think because I'll tell you what, because right now China is very interested in soft power. And right now I have a lot of self -power. I have a lot of influence overseas. And so they want to co -opt me. They want..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0102", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0103", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0104" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "PBD warns that staying in China invites suspicion that Jiang represents the CCP, encourages him to become a citizen of the world, and asks what Iranian children dream of under the regime.", "speaker_attribution": "Patrick Bet-David", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0102", "segment_id": "seg-0102", "start": 3138.07, "end": 3178.83, "time_label": "52:18", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "The longer you stay, the more people are going to think that you are somebody that's representing the CCP, that you're working with the government just because I know you the criticism. The moment you went viral, I'm li..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0103", "segment_id": "seg-0103", "start": 3179.47, "end": 3218.66, "time_label": "52:59", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "And I'm sure your AdSense is picking up anyways with YouTube, which allows you to drop your job as a teacher to go live anywhere. That's the beautiful thing about YouTube. So you kind of have a little bit of freedom to..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0104", "segment_id": "seg-0104", "start": 3218.74, "end": 3221.38, "time_label": "53:38", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "I know you're not there. I'm not there. 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Yeah." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0114", "segment_id": "seg-0114", "start": 3521.84, "end": 3542.5, "time_label": "58:41", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "What what an advantage for the enemy to be able to see in America where in America we bash each other and we're going at it and every you know, everything's being exposed from congressmen on the left and the right. And..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0115", "segment_id": "seg-0115", "start": 3542.9, "end": 3574.44, "time_label": "59:02", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "I feel like if you want if you want a healthy, creative, resilient society, you need free and open debate. The best thing about America is the First Amendment. 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If you have that kind of a chokehold on their people for a long time and see the enemy is debating each other, a lot of information comes in. But if social media apps are not available..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0117", "segment_id": "seg-0117", "start": 3595.52, "end": 3600.88, "time_label": "59:55", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "There are Chinese equivalents. But yes, these Western social media platforms are banned in China." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0118", "segment_id": "seg-0118", "start": 3601.56, "end": 3639.69, "time_label": "1:00:01", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Are there are there any like if I if you and I go to a dinner and you know, if you live in California at the peak of covid. Yeah. You have to be very careful if you were a Trump supporter. A lot of people would say. 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So there were some prominent terrorist attacks where Muslims, Uighurs, launched knife attacks in train stations, killing dozens of Chinese. And a lot of these Uighurs came back from wars in the Middle East. So th..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0125", "segment_id": "seg-0125", "start": 3930.67, "end": 3954.43, "time_label": "1:05:30", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And recently, there's been a push to promote Han nationalism, which means a clapping down on the rights of ethnic minorities. And the most obvious example is that schools in many places are not allowed to teach a second..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0126", "segment_id": "seg-0126", "start": 3955.19, "end": 3959.07, "time_label": "1:05:55", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Interesting. 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I like that because that's like, you know, something tells me that was a bit of a dig is what it was. I'm trying to see your facial reaction to what you just said to see if it..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0133", "segment_id": "seg-0133", "start": 4160.7, "end": 4187.86, "time_label": "1:09:20", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, the reality is that if you're a wealthy Chinese person, your dream is to move your assets and your family to America. And right now in America, there are not that many assets that you can buy and create value. So..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0134", "segment_id": "seg-0134", "start": 4188.16, "end": 4198.76, "time_label": "1:09:48", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "So it's not any other reason but that. To your impression, it's just they're just buying it for real estate. They're not buying it because they want to control farmland and they want to control produce and any of that s..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0135", "segment_id": "seg-0135", "start": 4199.65, "end": 4223.4, "time_label": "1:09:59", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "That's right. Look, I'm 100 % confident that this is individual Chinese behavior. Where they're trying to store their wealth. Look, the reality is that if you leave your wealth in China, there's no legal protection. The..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0136", "segment_id": "seg-0136", "start": 4224.28, "end": 4233.47, "time_label": "1:10:24", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Do you have any travel plan to come to the States? Are we going to see you in the States next 30, 60, 90 days? Probably not. Probably not." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0137", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0138" ], "kind": "exchange", "summary": "Jiang jokes that he would like to visit the United States but expects he might be punched in the face; PBD frames the conversation as fair rather than antagonistic and asks for final thoughts.", "speaker_attribution": "Patrick Bet-David and Jiang", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0137", "segment_id": "seg-0137", "start": 4233.47, "end": 4250.93, "time_label": "1:10:33", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "We're not as much progressing. Ha ha ha. Not as much. Yeah. Ha ha ha. Look, look, look, look. I mean, I would love to visit the United States. I would love to meet you in person. There's quite a few people who have aske..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0138", "segment_id": "seg-0138", "start": 4251.49, "end": 4276.79, "time_label": "1:10:51", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "I think if you're giving your perspectives, like today's interview, very fair. I want the world to watch this. I thought this was a very good conversation that some may say it could have been antagonistic. But I actuall..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0139", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0140", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0141", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0142" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang closes by praying for a settlement over Hormuz and warning that escalation against Iranian civilian infrastructure could trigger total war, GCC retaliation, loss of global energy and fertilizer access, and worldwide effects.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0139", "segment_id": "seg-0139", "start": 4278.36, "end": 4338.034, "time_label": "1:11:18", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Yeah. So I think these next few days will be crucial for the world. I pray to God, even though I'm not religious, that we come to a peace settlement that Trump tackles again. And Iran offers a settlement. A settlement t..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0140", "segment_id": "seg-0140", "start": 4338.034, "end": 4350.39, "time_label": "1:12:18", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And we lose 30 % of the world's fertilizer. And this means that the entire world is going to be drawn into this war. And this means that every person will be affected." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0141", "segment_id": "seg-0141", "start": 4351.64, "end": 4357.9, "time_label": "1:12:31", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Well, appreciate that perspective. Thank you for making the time to get on. I really enjoyed talking to you and looking forward to doing it again." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0142", "segment_id": "seg-0142", "start": 4358.76, "end": 4365.1, "time_label": "1:12:38", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm available anytime. It was a great conversation. Thank you so much. Anytime. God bless. Take care. Bye -bye. Okay. Bye -bye." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] } ], "speaker_notes": [ { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0001", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0002", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0003", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0004", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0005", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0006", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0007", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0008" ], "note": "SPEAKER_01 is Patrick Bet-David or the PBD side of the interview; SPEAKER_00 is Jiang except for brief intro/audio fragments. 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Do you think the leverage has over NATO?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0043", "segment_id": "seg-0043", "start": 1454.64, "end": 1510.02, "time_label": "24:14", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, you can make the argument that Trump is not just at war with Iran. Trump is ultimately at war with the globalists, right? The state of London, Wall Street, global finance, right? So NATO represents the globalists..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0044", "segment_id": "seg-0044", "start": 1513.55, "end": 1557.03, "time_label": "25:13", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Well, he's constantly complimentary of his relationship with Xi and Putin. If you ever notice when he speaks, he's like, look, I'd rather be friendly than not friendly. We had a good talk. We're going to go visit back i..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0045", "segment_id": "seg-0045", "start": 1557.03, "end": 1568.81, "time_label": "25:57", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "had an easier way to get rid of IRGC, question for you, is the world a better place with IRGC no longer being in power? And it being replaced by some sort of a democracy?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0046", "segment_id": "seg-0046", "start": 1570.24, "end": 1630.207, "time_label": "26:10", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, I completely agree with you in that the great fear is that Iran becomes much more extremist and much more theoretical, theocratic than it is now. The Ayatollah Khamenei was considered a pretty moderate individual...." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0047", "segment_id": "seg-0047", "start": 1630.207, "end": 1650.56, "time_label": "27:10", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And that's what I'm saying. You need these four countries to sit down together to come to an agreement. If Trump were trying to negotiate with Iran directly, you'll get nowhere. But if China and Russia entered the negot..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0048", "segment_id": "seg-0048", "start": 1651.74, "end": 1703.58, "time_label": "27:31", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Yeah. Maybe the meeting is a better meeting. If it's Russia, China and the U.S. And not involving Iran on phase one, just to kind of get the pulse there. 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But it is much too popular among middle -class Chinese who want to send their kids abroad. But the official policy is to promote Chinese teachin..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0128", "segment_id": "seg-0128", "start": 3973.46, "end": 4008.46, "time_label": "1:06:13", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "And are there enough, like, you know, the Muslims are fairly, if I'm looking at the population right now, it says 20 to 25 million Muslims live in China, right? And roughly 1.5 % to 2%. I don't know if those numbers are..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0129", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0130", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0131", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0132", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0133", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0134", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0135", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0136" ], "note": "SPEAKER_01 is Patrick Bet-David or the PBD side of the interview; SPEAKER_00 is Jiang except for brief intro/audio fragments. 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Like, what can you not talk about?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0131", "segment_id": "seg-0131", "start": 4057.98, "end": 4118.4, "time_label": "1:07:37", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Right. So in China, there are lots of things I cannot talk about. But I'm not on social media. I'm not on Chinese social media. I don't talk to Chinese reporters. So I'm not constrained by this. But because I'm based in..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0132", "segment_id": "seg-0132", "start": 4120.04, "end": 4158.73, "time_label": "1:08:40", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "That is funny because they're always right. I like that because that's like, you know, something tells me that was a bit of a dig is what it was. I'm trying to see your facial reaction to what you just said to see if it..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0133", "segment_id": "seg-0133", "start": 4160.7, "end": 4187.86, "time_label": "1:09:20", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, the reality is that if you're a wealthy Chinese person, your dream is to move your assets and your family to America. And right now in America, there are not that many assets that you can buy and create value. So..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0134", "segment_id": "seg-0134", "start": 4188.16, "end": 4198.76, "time_label": "1:09:48", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "So it's not any other reason but that. To your impression, it's just they're just buying it for real estate. They're not buying it because they want to control farmland and they want to control produce and any of that s..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0135", "segment_id": "seg-0135", "start": 4199.65, "end": 4223.4, "time_label": "1:09:59", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "That's right. Look, I'm 100 % confident that this is individual Chinese behavior. Where they're trying to store their wealth. Look, the reality is that if you leave your wealth in China, there's no legal protection. The..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0136", "segment_id": "seg-0136", "start": 4224.28, "end": 4233.47, "time_label": "1:10:24", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Do you have any travel plan to come to the States? Are we going to see you in the States next 30, 60, 90 days? Probably not. Probably not." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0137", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0138", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0139", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0140", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0141", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0142" ], "note": "SPEAKER_01 is Patrick Bet-David or the PBD side of the interview; SPEAKER_00 is Jiang except for brief intro/audio fragments. Diarization is treated as a hint and the exchange context controls attribution.", "suggested_speaker": "Patrick Bet-David / Jiang", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0137", "segment_id": "seg-0137", "start": 4233.47, "end": 4250.93, "time_label": "1:10:33", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "We're not as much progressing. Ha ha ha. Not as much. Yeah. Ha ha ha. Look, look, look, look. I mean, I would love to visit the United States. I would love to meet you in person. There's quite a few people who have aske..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0138", "segment_id": "seg-0138", "start": 4251.49, "end": 4276.79, "time_label": "1:10:51", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "I think if you're giving your perspectives, like today's interview, very fair. I want the world to watch this. I thought this was a very good conversation that some may say it could have been antagonistic. But I actuall..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0139", "segment_id": "seg-0139", "start": 4278.36, "end": 4338.034, "time_label": "1:11:18", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Yeah. So I think these next few days will be crucial for the world. I pray to God, even though I'm not religious, that we come to a peace settlement that Trump tackles again. And Iran offers a settlement. A settlement t..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0140", "segment_id": "seg-0140", "start": 4338.034, "end": 4350.39, "time_label": "1:12:18", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And we lose 30 % of the world's fertilizer. And this means that the entire world is going to be drawn into this war. And this means that every person will be affected." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0141", "segment_id": "seg-0141", "start": 4351.64, "end": 4357.9, "time_label": "1:12:31", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Well, appreciate that perspective. Thank you for making the time to get on. I really enjoyed talking to you and looking forward to doing it again." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0142", "segment_id": "seg-0142", "start": 4358.76, "end": 4365.1, "time_label": "1:12:38", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm available anytime. It was a great conversation. Thank you so much. Anytime. God bless. Take care. Bye -bye. Okay. 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And people just have basically just forgotten about the experienc..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "claim": "He presents his own belief that COVID was an American-funded gain-of-function bioweapon released in Wuhan, while Chinese narratives downplay China’s role.", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0110", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0111" ], "temporal_scope": "Personal claim stated 2026-04-07; controversial and source-internal.", "topic_tags": [ "covid-origin", "fauci", "wuhan" ], "claim_type": "diagnosis", "confidence": "medium", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0110", "segment_id": "seg-0110", "start": 3416.51, "end": 3485.04, "time_label": "56:56", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I'll tell you what I believe happened, OK? And so I believe that this was American bioweapon funded by Tony Fauci. Obama had put a moratorium. OK. A ban on gain of function research. And so Fauci subcontracted gain o..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0111", "segment_id": "seg-0111", "start": 3485.48, "end": 3490.22, "time_label": "58:05", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And and that's a story. But they downplay China's role. In it." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "claim": "Jiang says Chinese people know political red lines and winds, so there is little open questioning of government.", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0113" ], "temporal_scope": "China speech diagnosis dated 2026-04-07.", "topic_tags": [ "red-lines", "china", "speech" ], "claim_type": "diagnosis", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0113", "segment_id": "seg-0113", "start": 3506.94, "end": 3519.26, "time_label": "58:26", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Chinese people know where the political red lines are and they know how the political winds are shifting. 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And the most obvious example is that schools in many places are not allowed to teach a second..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0126", "segment_id": "seg-0126", "start": 3955.19, "end": 3959.07, "time_label": "1:05:55", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Interesting. So does that include English or they teach you English in China?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0127", "segment_id": "seg-0127", "start": 3959.54, "end": 3973.22, "time_label": "1:05:59", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "They are trying to reduce it. They reduce the teaching of English as well. But it is much too popular among middle -class Chinese who want to send their kids abroad. 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And they're..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0135" ], "moment": "Chinese wealth flees because at home there is no legal protection; the state can take it any time.", "source_phrase": "the government can take it away at any time", "why_it_matters": "It explains capital flight without requiring an invasion or control theory.", "tone": "causal-chain", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0135", "segment_id": "seg-0135", "start": 4199.65, "end": 4223.4, "time_label": "1:09:59", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "That's right. Look, I'm 100 % confident that this is individual Chinese behavior. Where they're trying to store their wealth. Look, the reality is that if you leave your wealth in China, there's no legal protection. The..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0139", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0140" ], "moment": "The Iran war ceases to be regional when 20 percent of world energy and 30 percent of world fertilizer are at risk.", "source_phrase": "every person will be affected", "why_it_matters": "It is the interview’s final escalation from geopolitical prediction to planetary consequence.", "tone": "causal-chain", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0139", "segment_id": "seg-0139", "start": 4278.36, "end": 4338.034, "time_label": "1:11:18", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Yeah. So I think these next few days will be crucial for the world. I pray to God, even though I'm not religious, that we come to a peace settlement that Trump tackles again. And Iran offers a settlement. 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"temporal_scope": "Scenario estimate dated 2026-04-07.", "topic_tags": [ "gcc", "iran-retaliation", "civilian-infrastructure" ], "claim_type": "prediction", "confidence": "medium", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0021", "segment_id": "seg-0021", "start": 753.4, "end": 817.48, "time_label": "12:33", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "okay on what could happen here the best case scenario is that the Americans and Iranians reach a compromise where they agree to share the share of humus so there'll be toast collected uh because the Iranians want repara..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0022", "segment_id": "seg-0022", "start": 817.48, "end": 844.8, "time_label": "13:37", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "their bodies so the Iranian government has called on for the young people of Iran to make the ultimate sacrifice and make the human chain around all power plants in Iran and so the Americans go in to blow up all the 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The Ayatollah Khamenei was considered a pretty moderate individual...." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "claim": "Jiang predicts Persian nationalism, not liberal democracy imposed by war, is the likely counterforce to Shia theocracy after the conflict.", "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0049", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0050", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0051" ], "temporal_scope": "Iran outcome model dated 2026-04-07.", "topic_tags": [ "persian-nationalism", "theocracy", "iran" ], "claim_type": "prediction", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0049", "segment_id": "seg-0049", "start": 1704.86, "end": 1729.52, "time_label": "28:24", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Yeah. No, I would agree that it is not good, it is not in the best interest of Iran to be a theocracy. I think these are Persian people. These are the Muslims. 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I visited China. There are a lot of people in China. I mean, just ride the subway. It's packed every single day. Just walk the streets. They're packed all the time. You know, and I travel a lot...." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0054", "segment_id": "seg-0054", "start": 1867.38, "end": 1885.68, "time_label": "31:07", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "China's about one. But I can easily see China overtaking South Korea in like five years time. So that's the real issue facing China. 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And I don't want to talk to these people because they represent the government. And I don't want to put myself in a po..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0098", "segment_id": "seg-0098", "start": 3076.79, "end": 3086.67, "time_label": "51:16", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Yeah, that's interesting. So have they ever knocked on your door and said, hey, you cross on a lysing, pump the brakes. That's too much. Relax or no. They leave you alone. Nobody's knocked on your door." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0099", "segment_id": "seg-0099", "start": 3088.2, "end": 3108.64, "time_label": "51:28", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "I work at a school. I'm I'm employed by the school. They have legal responsibility for me. And there was one time when I wrote a subsect essay that mentioned China. 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They want..." } ] }, { "term": "spiritual pollution", "usages": [ "A 1980s Chinese Communist term Jiang uses for capitalism’s degradation of civilization into utilitarian money-seeking and apathy." ], "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0063", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0064" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0063", "segment_id": "seg-0063", "start": 2079.27, "end": 2140.85, "time_label": "34:39", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So in the 1980s, China was embarking on economic reform. And there was a real concern among party elders, like people who went through the revolution that brought the Communist Party into power in 1949. There's a real c..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0064", "segment_id": "seg-0064", "start": 2140.87, "end": 2191.89, "time_label": "35:40", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "If you started, you lose all of your money because it's a rigged game. And that's why people are opting out. And because of spiritual pollution, because there's really no ideology, there's really no sense of nationalism..." } ] }, { "term": "total war against the GCC", "usages": [ "Jiang’s name for the scenario in which Iran retaliates against Gulf infrastructure after U.S. attacks on critical Iranian civilian infrastructure." ], "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0139", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0140" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0139", "segment_id": "seg-0139", "start": 4278.36, "end": 4338.034, "time_label": "1:11:18", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Yeah. So I think these next few days will be crucial for the world. I pray to God, even though I'm not religious, that we come to a peace settlement that Trump tackles again. And Iran offers a settlement. 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And this means that every person will be affected." } ] }, { "term": "wealth storage", "usages": [ "The use of overseas land or property as protection against insecure property rights inside China." ], "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0133", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0134", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0135" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0133", "segment_id": "seg-0133", "start": 4160.7, "end": 4187.86, "time_label": "1:09:20", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, the reality is that if you're a wealthy Chinese person, your dream is to move your assets and your family to America. And right now in America, there are not that many assets that you can buy and create value. 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The..." } ] }, { "term": "Western Hemisphere retreat", "usages": [ "A proposed post-empire U.S. strategy of abandoning Eurasian burdens and consolidating resources, labor, and security in North America." ], "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0039" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0039", "segment_id": "seg-0039", "start": 1340.56, "end": 1400.94, "time_label": "22:20", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Well, I mean, the reality is that America is going to have a hard time holding onto its empire. And Trump has said this many times. Because America is the world reserve currency, because America is responsible for prote..." } ] }, { "term": "WWE geopolitics", "usages": [ "Jiang’s shorthand for Trump’s use of theatrical threat, attention, fear, and televised dominance in negotiation." ], "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0015" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0015", "segment_id": "seg-0015", "start": 541.06, "end": 600.11, "time_label": "9:01", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "bit more on where president's Minds at what would you say well I would say that Trump um has a history of working in reality TV he thinks in terms of television he asked himself what will draw attention what will look g..." } ] } ], "chronology_notes": [ { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0007", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0008" ], "note": "Jiang uses examples from Persia, Athens, and Vietnam to frame an April 2026 prediction about a U.S.-Iran war.", "possible_update_to_prior_position": false, "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0007", "segment_id": "seg-0007", "start": 181.58, "end": 251.5, "time_label": "3:01", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "I think that's what's going to happen right so um in school I teach history and I try to teach world history an entirety of human history stretching from the cave paintings uh and during the United States about 10 000 y..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0008", "segment_id": "seg-0008", "start": 251.5, "end": 308.92, "time_label": "4:11", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "because of this uh invasion and so a pattern emerges where empires in decline they tend to engage in risky um Wars that they believe they can win easily but which but which forces them to expand valuable resources on a..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0013" ], "note": "Jiang says escalation could come as early as the coming weekend after the April 7, 2026 interview.", "possible_update_to_prior_position": false, "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0013", "segment_id": "seg-0013", "start": 440.68, "end": 495.12, "time_label": "7:20", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "that Trump is trying to go for Maximus leverage in negotiation but the reality is that the Iranians um will not back down and then American forces already assembled in the Middle East so I think that we will see a groun..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0024" ], "note": "Jiang gives explicit April 2026 probabilities for Iran-war outcomes, useful for later checking against events.", "possible_update_to_prior_position": true, "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0024", "segment_id": "seg-0024", "start": 854.94, "end": 868.13, "time_label": "14:14", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "would you say it is so I would say best case scenario is one percent I would say worst case scenario is ten percent and I would say a limited ground uh incursion would be about 40 okay so you" } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0031" ], "note": "Jiang links current IRGC motives to the 1979 embassy seizure and the 2020 killing of Soleimani.", "possible_update_to_prior_position": false, "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0031", "segment_id": "seg-0031", "start": 1087.11, "end": 1152.63, "time_label": "18:07", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "stays in power so I think there are many factions within Iran that are very concerned that if this war continues the Revolutionary uh guards will be able to control all of Iranian society um so right now they can show a..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0054" ], "note": "Jiang makes a five-year fertility forecast for China relative to South Korea.", "possible_update_to_prior_position": true, "confidence": "medium", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0054", "segment_id": "seg-0054", "start": 1867.38, "end": 1885.68, "time_label": "31:07", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "China's about one. But I can easily see China overtaking South Korea in like five years time. So that's the real issue facing China. China still has a lot of people, but the demographic curve is going to be a huge issue..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0069" ], "note": "Jiang places the Jack Ma crackdown inside Xi’s broader early effort to cool fraud, speculation, and overheated finance.", "possible_update_to_prior_position": false, "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0069", "segment_id": "seg-0069", "start": 2293.51, "end": 2355.19, "time_label": "38:13", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Right. So when President Xi came into power, there's a real concern among Chinese economists that the economy was overheated, meaning, to put it very bluntly, there's too much corruption in the system. There was too muc..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0082" ], "note": "Jiang says he was born in China, moved to Toronto at age six, attended Yale for four years, and has been in China since 1999.", "possible_update_to_prior_position": false, "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0082", "segment_id": "seg-0082", "start": 2631.35, "end": 2655.67, "time_label": "43:51", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I was born in China. And then when I was six, we immigrated to Toronto, Canada, where I grew up. I went to high school there. I did five years of high school because, you know, in Canada, we're we're slower than Amer..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0088", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0089", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0090", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0091", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0092", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0093" ], "note": "Jiang recounts returning to China after deportation because he saw greater opportunity and historical change there.", "possible_update_to_prior_position": false, "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0088", "segment_id": "seg-0088", "start": 2731.38, "end": 2787.24, "time_label": "45:31", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I came to China to teach English and eventually I became interested in journalism and I was hired to do freelance journalism. 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They're very good at busin..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0093", "segment_id": "seg-0093", "start": 2953.55, "end": 2975.07, "time_label": "49:13", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And I wanted to experience a world in which the world was unpredictable. And that was China. You know, I like when I came to China, I knew China was going to change a lot in 20, 30 years time. 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They want..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0108", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0109", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0110", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0111" ], "note": "Jiang distinguishes what Chinese state-aligned narratives say about COVID from his own belief, both stated in this April 2026 interview.", "possible_update_to_prior_position": true, "confidence": "medium", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0108", "segment_id": "seg-0108", "start": 3349.38, "end": 3397.81, "time_label": "55:49", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "OK, so unfortunately, COVID has been has been memory hold in China. So no one talks about it. It was a traumatic three or four years for Chinese society. And people just have basically just forgotten about the experienc..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0109", "segment_id": "seg-0109", "start": 3398.19, "end": 3414.84, "time_label": "56:38", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Interesting. So they believe it was a bioweapon released from U.S. in China. That's the narrative they say. And is it. That's what they believe. And is it tied to Fauci, the gain of function? Is that kind of how they sp..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0110", "segment_id": "seg-0110", "start": 3416.51, "end": 3485.04, "time_label": "56:56", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I'll tell you what I believe happened, OK? And so I believe that this was American bioweapon funded by Tony Fauci. Obama had put a moratorium. OK. A ban on gain of function research. And so Fauci subcontracted gain o..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0111", "segment_id": "seg-0111", "start": 3485.48, "end": 3490.22, "time_label": "58:05", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And and that's a story. But they downplay China's role. In it." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0139", "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0140" ], "note": "Jiang identifies the next few days after April 7, 2026 as crucial for either settlement or major escalation.", "possible_update_to_prior_position": true, "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0139", "segment_id": "seg-0139", "start": 4278.36, "end": 4338.034, "time_label": "1:11:18", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Yeah. So I think these next few days will be crucial for the world. I pray to God, even though I'm not religious, that we come to a peace settlement that Trump tackles again. And Iran offers a settlement. A settlement t..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-wio-7-gios@transcript:v1#seg-0140", "segment_id": "seg-0140", "start": 4338.034, "end": 4350.39, "time_label": "1:12:18", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And we lose 30 % of the world's fertilizer. And this means that the entire world is going to be drawn into this war. And this means that every person will be affected." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] } ], "uncertainty_notes": [] }