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Since time immemorial, thinkers and leaders have used history to understand the present and plan for the future. But after the 20th century with its unconscionable carnage and pleas of never again, the claim of the right side of history seems to have overtaken the actual study of it. Is it still possible to keep history from being molested by geopolitics? Well, to discuss that, I'm now joined by Zhang Xieqing, Chinese historian and host of the Predictive History YouTube channel. Mr. Zhang, it's amazing to talk to you. 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Well, Mr. Zhang, what's also standard for this program, and it's indeed this set pattern, is to take a very short break, which we are going to do right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. Stay tuned. Welcome back to Worlds Apart with Zhang Shijing, Chinese historian and host of the Predictive History YouTube channel. Mr. Zhang, back in 2024, you warned that a second Trump presidency could result in an American invasion of Iran, and we haven't seen a full -scale invasion, but the United States did attack Iran's nuclear facilities. And, you know, just a couple of days ago, I interviewed Iran's foreign minister, and he told us that, you know, the Iranian side are still pretty concerned about, or at least they are not ruling out the possibility of another attack. 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America doesn't intend a war against Iran. It needs to destroy the Iranian infrastructure enough so that the economy is set back decades. And there's so much chaos that it's impossible for Russia and China to link up with Iran. And that's the intention. Remember back in 2003, America used a two -week shock and awe campaign to destroy Iraq, and then it went in and destroyed the society even further through democratization. So America is intent on a certain policy, and we've seen this before. There's really little that Iran can do about this because at the end of the day, America has naval and aerial supremacy. I know that Iran has naval supremacy, has aerial defense, and it has ballistic missiles, but there's very little that America can do about it. But America will go into Iran, and America will overstretch itself, and America will collapse. 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Since time immemorial, thinkers and leaders have used history to understand the present and plan for the future. But after the 20th century with its unconscionable carnage and pleas of..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0002" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang gives a brief courtesy acceptance before the substantive questioning begins.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang greeting", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0002", "segment_id": "seg-0002", "start": 51.31, "end": 52.27, "time_label": "0:51", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Thanks so much for inviting me." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0003" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The host summarizes psychohistory as applying psychoanalysis to geopolitics and asks why entrenched power holders would ever let a wiser predictive understanding of social behavior benefit humanity.", "speaker_attribution": "Host method-and-elites question", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0003", "segment_id": "seg-0003", "start": 52.59, "end": 88.35, "time_label": "0:52", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Now, I'm really taken by your concept or rather your method of psychohistory, which is essentially about applying psychoanalysis to geopolitics. And I know that you argue that social behavior far from being random, foll..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0004", "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0005" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang defines psychohistory as psychoanalysis joined to game theory, models nation-states as persons with memory and motive, argues empathy and historical behavior make prediction possible, and says elite hubris eventually collapses societies so later elites can rebuild on better historical standards.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0004", "segment_id": "seg-0004", "start": 88.73, "end": 142.38, "time_label": "1:28", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Right, so what I do is, as you mentioned, psycho history. So I marry psychoanalysis with game theory. Basically the idea is that, you know, I see nation states as individuals with their own history, with their own world..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0005", "segment_id": "seg-0005", "start": 142.38, "end": 174.05, "time_label": "2:22", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "But as you also mentioned, these elites in power are extremely self -interested and they're only interested in maintaining power. And so what I do is I try to map things out over centuries because over time, these elite..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0006", "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0007" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The host argues that serious history requires a non-narcissistic reading of past human dynamics, then asks how Jiang navigates Western claims to stand on the 'right side of history' when those claims also intimidate dissenters.", "speaker_attribution": "Host follow-up question", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0006", "segment_id": "seg-0006", "start": 174.41, "end": 230.91, "time_label": "2:54", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "But I think, you know, we can not look either at the present or at the future without actually understanding the past and not just the sort of political or ideologically driven interpretation of the past, but more or le..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0007", "segment_id": "seg-0007", "start": 231.07, "end": 242.19, "time_label": "3:51", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "it's not only based on, you know, the claim to universal wisdom, but it also comes with a lot of intimidation towards those who disagree with that." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0008" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang replies that history is usually taught as indoctrination rather than objective inquiry, treats Fukuyama-style end-of-history liberal triumphalism as propaganda, and says neoliberal history-writing serves colonial exploitation, inequality, corruption, and war.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0008", "segment_id": "seg-0008", "start": 242.41, "end": 298.97, "time_label": "4:02", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "You're absolutely right. So the problem for us is that history is not an objective study of the human condition. It's really a tool of indoctrination. And so this history that we've studied in the past, it's very proble..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0009" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang closes the prior answer by saying history can only be rescued from indoctrination when it is forced to produce predictions that can fail.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang methodological bridge", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0009", "segment_id": "seg-0009", "start": 298.97, "end": 314.65, "time_label": "4:58", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "so what we try to do is we try to rescue history from this indoctrination by forcing it to make predictions. So if your history is bad, if your historical model is correct, then it has to be able to make certain predict..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0010" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The host argues that serious history should judge what is possible for a specific society at a specific moment rather than imposing abstract universal goods, then asks why modern geopolitics lacks that ordinary realism.", "speaker_attribution": "Host relativity question", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0010", "segment_id": "seg-0010", "start": 314.93, "end": 353.71, "time_label": "5:14", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Now, let me know if you disagree with me, but I think an unexploitative study of history, just like psychology, always comes with a certain degree of relativity. You look not only at what's good or what's desirable for..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0011" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang answers that elite moral language is usually a power instrument, that Western values are not universally suited to human life, and that prediction disciplines moral prejudice by forcing actors to face limits.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0011", "segment_id": "seg-0011", "start": 354.07, "end": 402.29, "time_label": "5:54", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "At the end of the day, these moral values, it's a way for the elite to enforce its war and power over people. So for example, these Western values of individualism, of liberalism, of free market, they are not consistent..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0012" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The host pushes back against binary moral schemes by using Shanghai as an example of a society that combines collective discipline with vivid individual expression.", "speaker_attribution": "Host Shanghai example", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0012", "segment_id": "seg-0012", "start": 402.85, "end": 440.11, "time_label": "6:42", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "And I think it's also not about picking one or the other, let's say individualism versus collectivism, but actually finding the balance between the two. Because I just came back from vacation to Shanghai, where I went w..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0013" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang agrees that societies are plural and dynamic and says prosperity depends on recognizing diversity, openness, and the spectrum of viewpoints within human communities.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0013", "segment_id": "seg-0013", "start": 440.45, "end": 460.03, "time_label": "7:20", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So all humans are diverse and dynamic. All societies will change over time, and all societies will have a spectrum of viewpoints. And so I think the key is to recognize the diversity, the plurality, the openness and the..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0014" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The host asks whether game theory is actually used in geopolitics and whether current disorder reflects a deliberate strategy or the absence of one.", "speaker_attribution": "Host game-theory question", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0014", "segment_id": "seg-0014", "start": 460.31, "end": 484.47, "time_label": "7:40", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Now, you mentioned game theory that plays a big role in your analysis, and it's been around since the mid -1940s. It's used extensively in marketing, in industry, in logistics. But when it comes to geopolitics, is it ac..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0015", "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0016" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang says applied game theory fails when it becomes mathematical without empathy, argues American hegemony treats its own choices as rational and everyone else's as irrational, and uses Ukraine to claim that Russia's war becomes legible only when one models NATO expansion from Russia's position.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0015", "segment_id": "seg-0015", "start": 485.19, "end": 530.83, "time_label": "8:05", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So game theory, the problem with game theory applied is that it's often too mathematical and not psychological enough. So there's not enough empathy in game theory where you respect your opponent and you respect the rat..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0016", "segment_id": "seg-0016", "start": 531.41, "end": 543.43, "time_label": "8:51", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So the issue right now is that we are run by the American empire, and the American empire is insistent on imposing its values and its worldview on everyone. If you disagree, then you are irrational. If you disagree, the..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0017" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The host pauses the Ukraine thread to ask what Trump represents as a political phenomenon inside a disintegrating American-led order.", "speaker_attribution": "Host Trump-phenomenon question", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0017", "segment_id": "seg-0017", "start": 544.23, "end": 578.25, "time_label": "9:04", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Now, I do want to get to the war in Ukraine, but before we do that, let's discuss the American imperialism, as you put it, because I think if you look at this past year, this second term or the second coming of Donald T..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0018" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang compares Trump to Julius Caesar, arguing he appears when a corrupt oligarchic republic can no longer reconcile elites and people and therefore starts longing for a warrior-savior, a process Jiang says could ignite American civil war.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0018", "segment_id": "seg-0018", "start": 579.59, "end": 632.95, "time_label": "9:39", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Historically, he's very similar to Julius Caesar. Julius Caesar was a false messiah of the Roman people. He came at a time when the Roman Republic was divided, when the elite and the people could not get along, and the..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0019" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The host asks how different states are adjusting to a Trumpian America and where that adaptive behavior suggests the world is heading.", "speaker_attribution": "Host world-heading question", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0019", "segment_id": "seg-0019", "start": 633.13, "end": 668.65, "time_label": "10:33", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Now, speaking about other players, whether we like Donald Trump or not, or whether we like the current state of America or not, various countries had to find their way of adjusting their policies to the Trumpian America..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0020", "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0021" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang says Trump has stripped away the liberal facade of American empire and revealed open bullying, piracy, and Monroe-Doctrine coercion, which forces each power bloc to respond according to its own position inside the imperial order.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0020", "segment_id": "seg-0020", "start": 669.52, "end": 735.15, "time_label": "11:09", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Well, I mean, Donald Trump has come in and he's turned America from an empire that hides behind the facade of a multilateral rules -based liberal order to one that's just a bully. If you look at the national security st..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0021", "segment_id": "seg-0021", "start": 735.29, "end": 764.25, "time_label": "12:15", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And different players, given their different circumstances, will employ different strategies. So as you mentioned, China needs to stand up and protect its rights. Europe is a vassal state, and therefore it has no choice..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0022" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The host notes that the new American security language sounds less universalist about democracy and asks whether that could mean reduced interventionism, at least outside the Western Hemisphere.", "speaker_attribution": "Host interventionism question", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0022", "segment_id": "seg-0022", "start": 764.47, "end": 808.46, "time_label": "12:44", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Now, you mentioned the US new national security strategy, and one more aspect to it is that it specifically says that the United States will no longer try to impose its democratic rules on other nations. In fact, it sho..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0023", "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0024" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang rejects the idea of retreat, arguing that America is only shifting from liberal hypocrisy to a classic divide-and-rule strategy in which allied vassals and proxies absorb the fighting against rivals such as China and Russia.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0023", "segment_id": "seg-0023", "start": 808.66, "end": 867.12, "time_label": "13:28", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So America is intent on maintaining its empire, and no empire in history has ever been a country that has given up its power willingly and voluntarily. So what America is doing is shifting its strategy. So before, it wa..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0024", "segment_id": "seg-0024", "start": 867.46, "end": 884.32, "time_label": "14:27", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "And, you know, we've seen this historically before. The Athenians in the Peloponnesian War basically used its vassals as cannon fodder, as proxies in its war against Sparta, and it caused a massive rebellion among its a..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0025" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "After the break, the host recalls Jiang's 2024 warning about a second Trump presidency leading toward war with Iran and asks whether another American attack is likely in the coming year.", "speaker_attribution": "Host Iran-escalation question", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0025", "segment_id": "seg-0025", "start": 884.88, "end": 997.63, "time_label": "14:44", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "I see. Well, Mr. Zhang, what's also standard for this program, and it's indeed this set pattern, is to take a very short break, which we are going to do right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. Stay tuned...." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0026" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang says another attack on Iran is both likely and near because the American empire fears a peaceful Russia-Iran-China Eurasian bloc that could bypass American sea power, so Washington will eventually try to destroy Iran to block that integration.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0026", "segment_id": "seg-0026", "start": 997.97, "end": 1049.05, "time_label": "16:37", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "I think that an attack against Iran will be very likely and very soon. The reason why is that the great fear of the American empire is an alliance between Russia, Iran, and China, basically for the Eurasian continent to..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0027" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The host distinguishes decisive victory from limited but damaging sabotage and asks whether Iran can protect itself against the kind of strikes that wreck development without producing a clean American conquest.", "speaker_attribution": "Host sabotage-defense question", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0027", "segment_id": "seg-0027", "start": 1049.31, "end": 1088.21, "time_label": "17:29", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Well, that's a rather pessimistic scenario. Now, I heard you say that in order to win a war, you need to avoid encirclement, mask your forces, and protect your supply lines. 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And there's so much chaos that it's impossible for Russi..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0029", "segment_id": "seg-0029", "start": 1151.65, "end": 1157.81, "time_label": "19:11", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "its Middle East assets will then transfer over to Israel, and then a new superpower in the Middle East will actually become Israel." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0030" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The host applies Jiang's own war-winning criteria to Ukraine and asks which side is actually winning.", "speaker_attribution": "Host Ukraine-winner question", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0030", "segment_id": "seg-0030", "start": 1158.17, "end": 1168.01, "time_label": "19:18", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Well, Mr. Zhang, if we are to take your metrics for winning a war and apply them to the Ukrainian conflict, which side is likely to emerge as the winner?" } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0031", "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0032" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang says Russia already won the war over a year ago, reads the current slow pace as a deliberate effort to preserve civilians and infrastructure for postwar rule, and predicts that European refusal to accept defeat will prolong the conflict through outside reinforcement rather than reverse the outcome.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0031", "segment_id": "seg-0031", "start": 1168.9, "end": 1225.28, "time_label": "19:28", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Look, from my perspective, this war was over a year ago. Russia has clearly and decisively won this war. If you just look at the front lines, Russia is dominating the front lines. It has had tremendous breakthroughs the..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-qsxkdk4mzgk@transcript:v1#seg-0032", "segment_id": "seg-0032", "start": 1225.44, "end": 1245.32, "time_label": "20:25", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So that's why this war is slow, methodical. Unfortunately, this will give time for the Europeans to intervene because the Europeans do not want Ukraine to collapse. 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