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That are fundamentally diff..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [], "marks": [] } ] }, { "id": "q-cultural-shift", "question": "If China is hierarchical and authoritarian, doesn't empathy-centered reform require a major cultural shift?", "asker": "Edwin Rutsch", "refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0035", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0036" ], "answer": "Jiang says yes: empathy, creativity, and communication all depend on equality, trust, and a world not ruled by fear, face, and the bullying privileges of hierarchy.", "answer_refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0037", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0038", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0048" ], "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0035", "segment_id": "seg-0035", "start": 1224.32, "end": 1284.13, "time_label": "20:24", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Yeah. So it's like the, you're saying kind of an individual part, which may be overlaps with self empathy. You have to be able to be aware of who you are as a, as a individual. That's right. Perhaps. Yeah, that's right...." }, { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0036", "segment_id": "seg-0036", "start": 1284.13, "end": 1296.58, "time_label": "21:24", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Yeah. 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You know, I think empathy is related to a lot of things. Again, I don't know the neuroscience behind these things and, you know, no one has yet figured it out. But I think empathy, morality, altruism, creativity are all linked together somehow. 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I mean, empathy, I consider, you know, I mean, a technical term is called theory of mind, which basically is the ability to perceive and understand and accept the viewpoints of others. That are fundamentally different from yours. You know, it's very easy for us to know what we think and to express what we think. But the ability to sort of sympathize or understand what other people think and to articulate their viewpoint, that's empathy. And that intellectually is, you know, just from an intelligence perspective, the most intellectual thing that a human being can do, the ability to like articulate, to basically read other, read another person's perspective. And that's what I think is mine.", "word_count": 118, "timed_chunks": [ { "id": "seg-0030-chunk-001", "start": 1020.26, "end": 1022.18, "text": "Right. 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So it's like the, you're saying kind of an individual part, which may be overlaps with self empathy. You have to be able to be aware of who you are as a, as a individual. That's right. Perhaps. Yeah, that's right. Well, how, how, I'm just really curious. It's like, I mean, I was in China in 1990, uh, just kind of did a little bit of traveling through there. It was just before the real boom, I think really started taking off. But uh, you know, the, the, the sense that we get, I think here in the United States is, uh, China is more of an authoritarian, you know, um, you know, patriarchal kind of a, a society and that's very much as follow the rules, you know, certain people are in charge. Uh, you know, it's hierarchical, which is very different model from empathy. 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Where you're not afraid to make mistakes, where you're not afraid to, you know, offend your superiors. And, you know, these three things, empathy, communication, creative, they're all related. Yeah. And China is very much in need of these three things if it is to, to progress as a society and as a civilization and, um, you know, you hit the nail on the head, which is fundamentally, it's a question of, you know, um, power distribution and, um, respect for, for, for, for everyone and, and the political system. I mean, that's, I mean, fundamentally, yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, if China is, is, is, is to progress as an economy, as a society, as a people. Yeah. Then it has to fundamentally look at, re -examine its political system and question, um, the, the sort of effectiveness of it in a 21st century global economy.", "word_count": 150, "timed_chunks": [ { "id": "seg-0038-chunk-001", "start": 1346.3, "end": 1348.04, "text": "Yeah. 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Can you repeat that question?", "word_count": 8, "timed_chunks": [ { "id": "seg-0097-chunk-001", "start": 2895.5, "end": 2896.6, "text": "Um, excuse me.", "word_count": 3 }, { "id": "seg-0097-chunk-002", "start": 2896.64, "end": 2897.7, "text": "Can you repeat that question?", "word_count": 5 } ], "text_sha256": "cb6f568e8c946dba1d88a28b6fe108f1b294f25d8e595ab3482536b7ae863867", "episode_url": "/interviews/interview-nqam-7gt-9k/", "transcript_url": "/interviews/interview-nqam-7gt-9k/transcript/#seg-0097", "video_url": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqAm_7gt_9k&t=2895s", "time_label": "48:15", "tags": [ "exchange" ] }, { "id": "seg-0098", "source_ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0098", "start": 2897.94, "end": 2905.32, "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "text": "Uh, who did you feel the closest? 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My pleasure. So, okay. Goodbye. What was your, oh, what was your name again? Thank you. Rebecca. Rebecca. Sorry, Rebecca. And you'll have to pronounce yours again. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Uh, Jiang Xueqian. Jiang Xue, Jiang Xue. Jiang Xueqian. Jiang Xueqian. Jiang Xueqian. Sorry. Goodbye. I'm doing my best. Okay. Goodbye, then. Until the next time. No, thank you so much guys. Okay. Bye. Bye.", "word_count": 66, "timed_chunks": [ { "id": "seg-0111-chunk-001", "start": 3149.19, "end": 3150.25, "text": "Okay. My pleasure.", "word_count": 3 }, { "id": "seg-0111-chunk-002", "start": 3150.33, "end": 3150.79, "text": "So, okay.", "word_count": 2 }, { "id": "seg-0111-chunk-003", "start": 3150.79, "end": 3152.01, "text": "Goodbye. 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That are fundamentally diff..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0031", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0032" ], "kind": "exchange", "summary": "The interviewer shares his four-part model of empathy, culminating in perspective-taking and coordinated empathic action.", "speaker_attribution": "Interviewer Edwin Rutsch definition-sharing", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0031", "segment_id": "seg-0031", "start": 1063.3, "end": 1127.94, "time_label": "17:43", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Can I share with you my definition of empathy? I've looked at a lot of different definitions of empathy and kind of been putting them together. And I've come up with kind of like the four parts to empathy. 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And, um, so it seems like it's, uh, for, to do that kind of a cultural change in China for people to really value empathy, that's, uh, um, that's quite a cultural shift." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0037", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0038" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang agrees that unequal hierarchy is the core problem and says empathy, communication, and creativity all require more equal power, trust, and a politics not ruled by fear or face.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0037", "segment_id": "seg-0037", "start": 1297.28, "end": 1346.12, "time_label": "21:37", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "Yeah. I mean, like, I, I think that you've, you, you know, you really hit the, uh, the, the nail on the head. 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And China is v..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0039" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The interviewer asks what empathy development looks like beyond one progressive school and whether Chinese businesses or other schools are moving in that direction.", "speaker_attribution": "Interviewer Edwin Rutsch", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0039", "segment_id": "seg-0039", "start": 1396.52, "end": 1438.62, "time_label": "23:16", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "So it's really, how do you create that empathy then within society and, and how is that movement going in, in China in terms of, I mean, your school is kind of progressive. 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It's a very much a technical term with a lot of connotations that just aren't captured in in the language so so, you know, so I mean what China needs right now is To so..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0044" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The interviewer asks whether the school is trying to function as a visible reform model that others can study.", "speaker_attribution": "Interviewer Edwin Rutsch", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0044", "segment_id": "seg-0044", "start": 1596.71, "end": 1609.61, "time_label": "26:36", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Showcase for what is possible within education reform what empathy could lead to so kind of like a model You want to model it within your school? 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Maybe do some panel discussions around empathy so that you know that you would be connected to others here talking about empath..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0050", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0051", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0052", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0054" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang says his program is unusually empowering inside China, but parent pressure is intense, so the school needs a global network and direct student-to-student exchange to reinforce its values and widen horizons.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0050", "segment_id": "seg-0050", "start": 1837.64, "end": 1882.34, "time_label": "30:37", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "now right I mean you know what we do is very special in China what we do is very distinctive and you know our students in this program love what what's happening you know they feel better as individuals and as students..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0051", "segment_id": "seg-0051", "start": 1882.34, "end": 1926.92, "time_label": "31:22", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "connect with other schools that share a philosophy and you know we want we really want to be part of a global network because you know what we do it in China is so challenging so you know it's good it's good for our stu..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0052", "segment_id": "seg-0052", "start": 1926.92, "end": 1930.76, "time_label": "32:06", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "you would benefit a lot from talking to our students yeah we can do a panel" }, { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0054", "segment_id": "seg-0054", "start": 1935.46, "end": 1973.88, "time_label": "32:15", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "well and put them online like would you like to meet one of our students right now sure so she can do okay let me turn on the lights too it's getting darker here all right yes so um I've asked a student to to join the c..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0053" ], "kind": "exchange", "summary": "The interviewer agrees that the proposed discussions can be organized and recorded publicly.", "speaker_attribution": "Interviewer Edwin Rutsch", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0053", "segment_id": "seg-0053", "start": 1930.76, "end": 1935.46, "time_label": "32:10", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "discussions we can bring in some panel discussions and they can be recorded as" } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0055" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The interviewer asks Jiang for his own metaphor of empathy rather than the usual 'standing in someone else's shoes' formula.", "speaker_attribution": "Interviewer Edwin Rutsch", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0055", "segment_id": "seg-0055", "start": 1973.88, "end": 2005.68, "time_label": "32:53", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "else you know the empathy is often seen as the metaphor is is the metaphor of standing in someone else's shoes and looking through someone else's eyes and what I always like to do is ask people what is your personal met..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0056" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "After briefly considering other images, Jiang settles on water as his metaphor because empathy pervades life, nourishes society, and functions as its basic sustaining medium.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0056", "segment_id": "seg-0056", "start": 2006.62, "end": 2080.46, "time_label": "33:26", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "right well I mean like the image that comes to mind is I mean I need time to think about this the first thing that comes money is a dolphin and because dolphins are considered you know um but um you know empathy that's..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0057" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang completes the water metaphor by saying societies without empathy slowly degenerate and dehydrate.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0057", "segment_id": "seg-0057", "start": 2080.82, "end": 2104.76, "time_label": "34:40", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "I don't see how societies can survive. 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Is feeling." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0073", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0075" ], "kind": "answer", "summary": "Jiang says the word empathy carries a long history of Western connotations, so even a newly coined Chinese equivalent would still lack the lived meanings the English word already evokes.", "speaker_attribution": "Jiang answer", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0073", "segment_id": "seg-0073", "start": 2480.76, "end": 2492.37, "time_label": "41:20", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "Yeah. Yeah. 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Sorry." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0076", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0077", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0078", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0079", "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0080" ], "kind": "exchange", "summary": "The interviewer and Rebecca continue the playful coinage attempt by isolating Chinese words for feeling and for 'into,' repeating them aloud as test pieces for a possible empathy term.", "speaker_attribution": "Interviewer-Rebecca translation exercise", "confidence": "medium", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0076", "segment_id": "seg-0076", "start": 2543.24, "end": 2547.94, "time_label": "42:23", "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "Okay. And, and it starts with feeling and you just said guan, what was it again? 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I think that's a great metaphor. So, yeah. So, yeah. You know, I was asking, I didn't, I don't recall right. What was your proposal for the Ashoka contest? What was, what, what was it that the actual pr..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-nqam-7gt-9k@transcript:v1#seg-0064", "segment_id": "seg-0064", "start": 2322.32, "end": 2344.22, "time_label": "38:42", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "You know, we, we, we, we read a lot of books of, on neuroscience, the brain that changes itself, the accidental, the accidental mind, brain, we read a lot of books that discuss the importance of, of empathy. 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