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What se..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0049", "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0050" ], "kind": "question", "summary": "The host asks whether Christian Zionism or evangelical Christianity is simply a tool of Zionism, and Jiang reverses the direction by saying Zionism may be a tool of Christian Zionists.", "speaker_attribution": "Sneako then Jiang", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0049", "segment_id": "seg-0049", "start": 2319.54, "end": 2343.06, "time_label": "38:39", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "Okay. So they will inevitably fight in the near future. And sometimes you speculate that it's around 200 years. I mean, it's still undetermined, and we can't figure that out completely. 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But there's some theory that it's a 5D chess move. And..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0062", "segment_id": "seg-0062", "start": 3148.08, "end": 3164.46, "time_label": "52:28", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "But also, I've seen in your lecture, Professor Jang, that the Ukraine war was beneficial for Russia's economy. They got to strengthen their military. And because so much military equipment has been produced, they get to..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0063", "segment_id": "seg-0063", "start": 3167.85, "end": 3239.95, "time_label": "52:47", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "So I've made the argument that Trump does have a plan. And basically, it's something called Greater North America, which is something that Peter Hegstaff has also talked about. 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So first of all, catacomb, it is traditional Christian Orthodox concept, and it is linked not only to the church but to the state as well. So the catacomb was considered to be..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0090", "segment_id": "seg-0090", "start": 4898.39, "end": 4988.53, "time_label": "1:21:38", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "They, they have formulated the same argument, if the Antichrist should come and he should. So why not to get him rule its short time in order to precipitate, to accelerate the second coming, coming of Christ, why not? S..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0091", "segment_id": "seg-0091", "start": 4988.77, "end": 5080.65, "time_label": "1:23:08", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "So never side with the evil. Never. Including when the evil is necessary. Maybe, maybe for God's plans. But we have our mission here in the world and the history. Stay against antichrist until the last breath. 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Well, the underlying despair, not to make it doom and gloom, but many people are feeling exactly what you just described. I just did a podcast with Bradley..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0108", "segment_id": "seg-0108", "start": 6087.16, "end": 6129.3, "time_label": "1:41:27", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So now that you see a million people displaced in Lebanon, you see villages wiped out. So many people in America just don't have the energy to even care. They used to care about Epstein, and then he became a meme. 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And although we perhaps could have went a little more into eschatology, we did cover a lot of the points in the Power..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0111", "segment_id": "seg-0111", "start": 6236.08, "end": 6242.56, "time_label": "1:43:56", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "Yeah. I mean, I mean, yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Go ahead. Professor." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0112", "segment_id": "seg-0112", "start": 6242.64, "end": 6335.82, "time_label": "1:44:02", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "Please. Please. All right. Sorry. I would like to only to point out, maybe to or to respond to what Mr. Zhang has said. 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So I think that the idea to defend Catechon is understood by small, small minority of modern Russian. We are speaking Russian. We are talking abo..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0114", "segment_id": "seg-0114", "start": 6419.1, "end": 6500.89, "time_label": "1:46:59", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "And we could say no. We prefer to be abstained civilization. Maybe we will not be eaten finally. And we will be among those who were invited to eat children. So it is just hope of the people, of the humanity, of the soc..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0115", "segment_id": "seg-0115", "start": 6501.05, "end": 6590.85, "time_label": "1:48:21", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "I think something like that makes sense. Maybe here I am not expert. Maybe something like that we could trace as well in Chinese society. Because accepting so many aspects of Western civilization, maybe China is somehow..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0116", "segment_id": "seg-0116", "start": 6590.85, "end": 6634.39, "time_label": "1:49:50", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "It is amazing. That is something. It is a miracle. So I admire that. But I can see that maybe it will be moment to pay for that. So if you take too much poison, it will affect you sooner or later. 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I gr..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0118", "segment_id": "seg-0118", "start": 6657.11, "end": 6659.39, "time_label": "1:50:57", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "Absolutely. So at what time?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0119", "segment_id": "seg-0119", "start": 6660.58, "end": 6671.1, "time_label": "1:51:00", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "I do not hear the confirmation from him yet. I need to check. I will make sure to email it to you. I know it is very late over there in Beijing. It is about almost 11 p.m. for you, right?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0120", "segment_id": "seg-0120", "start": 6672.62, "end": 6673.7, "time_label": "1:51:12", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "Yes. That is right. Yes." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0121", "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0122", "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0123", "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0124", "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0125" ], "kind": "exchange", "summary": "The remaining focus refs are scheduling and goodbye: the host discusses a possible Morandi or Dave Smith follow-up, checks time zones, and the guests close the call.", "speaker_attribution": "Sneako, Jiang, and Dugin", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0121", "segment_id": "seg-0121", "start": 6674.52, "end": 6689.15, "time_label": "1:51:14", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I still need to hear the response from him. I will try to get it around the same time. So probably morning for you is better. Yes. Yes. Iran time is a little bit different. What time is it? Are you in Moscow, Profess..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0122", "segment_id": "seg-0122", "start": 6689.33, "end": 6699.47, "time_label": "1:51:29", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "It is six o 'clock. Six o 'clock. And I presume in Iran there is seven and a half, something like that." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0123", "segment_id": "seg-0123", "start": 6699.67, "end": 6705.33, "time_label": "1:51:39", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I will try to get it. And if Professor Morandi cannot come, would you like to speak to Dave Smith?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0124", "segment_id": "seg-0124", "start": 6707.07, "end": 6711.37, "time_label": "1:51:47", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "Yes. Absolutely. Yes. He is trying to prevent Dave Smith. I mean, like, yes. Okay." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0125", "segment_id": "seg-0125", "start": 6711.39, "end": 6724.49, "time_label": "1:51:51", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So that will – I will message both of them and I will email you. I hope you get some rest. Thank you so much. This was a great conversation. And I will speak to you guys soon. Thank you. God bless. Okay. Bye -bye. 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So probably morning for you is better. Yes. Yes. Iran time is a little bit different. What time is it? Are you in Moscow, Profess..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0122", "segment_id": "seg-0122", "start": 6689.33, "end": 6699.47, "time_label": "1:51:29", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "It is six o 'clock. Six o 'clock. And I presume in Iran there is seven and a half, something like that." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0123", "segment_id": "seg-0123", "start": 6699.67, "end": 6705.33, "time_label": "1:51:39", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I will try to get it. And if Professor Morandi cannot come, would you like to speak to Dave Smith?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0124", "segment_id": "seg-0124", "start": 6707.07, "end": 6711.37, "time_label": "1:51:47", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "Yes. Absolutely. Yes. He is trying to prevent Dave Smith. I mean, like, yes. 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I gr..." } ], "lens_points": [], "lens_points_detail": [] }, { "refs": [ "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0125" ], "moment": "The source ends as a live networked conversation, with future interlocutors already being arranged.", "source_phrase": "I will message both of them and I will email you", "why_it_matters": "It shows the interview as part of an ongoing public conversation rather than a finished lecture.", "tone": "image", "confidence": "high", "refs_detail": [ { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0125", "segment_id": "seg-0125", "start": 6711.39, "end": 6724.49, "time_label": "1:51:51", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So that will – I will message both of them and I will email you. I hope you get some rest. Thank you so much. This was a great conversation. And I will speak to you guys soon. Thank you. God bless. Okay. Bye -bye. 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"speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "excerpt": "excellent all right just want to make sure that we have everything set up here uh professor jeng should i have the uh the document you sent me earlier yes yes that is uh professor dugan's" }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0004", "segment_id": "seg-0004", "start": 26.75, "end": 32.77, "time_label": "0:26", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "uh powerpoint and i think it'd be a good framework for discussion okay uh do you think" }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0005", "segment_id": "seg-0005", "start": 32.77, "end": 37.71, "time_label": "0:32", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "that it's worth screen sharing or privately looking at it yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean" }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0006", "segment_id": "seg-0006", "start": 37.71, "end": 56.91, "time_label": "0:37", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "i think what we should do is maybe go point by point 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I will try to get it around the same time. So probably morning for you is better. Yes. Yes. Iran time is a little bit different. What time is it? Are you in Moscow, Profess..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0122", "segment_id": "seg-0122", "start": 6689.33, "end": 6699.47, "time_label": "1:51:29", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "It is six o 'clock. Six o 'clock. And I presume in Iran there is seven and a half, something like that." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0123", "segment_id": "seg-0123", "start": 6699.67, "end": 6705.33, "time_label": "1:51:39", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So I will try to get it. And if Professor Morandi cannot come, would you like to speak to Dave Smith?" }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0124", "segment_id": "seg-0124", "start": 6707.07, "end": 6711.37, "time_label": "1:51:47", "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "excerpt": "Yes. Absolutely. Yes. He is trying to prevent Dave Smith. I mean, like, yes. Okay." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0125", "segment_id": "seg-0125", "start": 6711.39, "end": 6724.49, "time_label": "1:51:51", "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "excerpt": "So that will – I will message both of them and I will email you. I hope you get some rest. Thank you so much. This was a great conversation. And I will speak to you guys soon. Thank you. God bless. Okay. Bye -bye. 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They were not Z..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0039", "segment_id": "seg-0039", "start": 1783.62, "end": 1886.16, "time_label": "29:43", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "So, and that demands to make some extravagant choices for you, to join Catholicism, to join Islam, to join maybe Orthodox Church, so many. One of the most, most venerable representative of 20th century Orthodox sainthoo..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0040", "segment_id": "seg-0040", "start": 1886.38, "end": 1930.58, "time_label": "31:26", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "And now we see around President Trump precisely this fight against everything that still is traditional in the United States. So that is the problem. And I'm not absolutely malzahing. It is not about about mockery. 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Maybe here I am not expert. Maybe something like that we could trace as well in Chinese society. Because accepting so many aspects of Western civilization, maybe China is somehow..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0116", "segment_id": "seg-0116", "start": 6590.85, "end": 6634.39, "time_label": "1:49:50", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "It is amazing. That is something. It is a miracle. So I admire that. But I can see that maybe it will be moment to pay for that. So if you take too much poison, it will affect you sooner or later. 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So first of all, catacomb, it is traditional Christian Orthodox concept, and it is linked not only to the church but to the state as well. So the catacomb was considered to be..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0090", "segment_id": "seg-0090", "start": 4898.39, "end": 4988.53, "time_label": "1:21:38", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "They, they have formulated the same argument, if the Antichrist should come and he should. So why not to get him rule its short time in order to precipitate, to accelerate the second coming, coming of Christ, why not? S..." }, { "ref": "video:interview-n44of1y7zgo@transcript:v1#seg-0091", "segment_id": "seg-0091", "start": 4988.77, "end": 5080.65, "time_label": "1:23:08", "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "excerpt": "So never side with the evil. Never. Including when the evil is necessary. Maybe, maybe for God's plans. But we have our mission here in the world and the history. Stay against antichrist until the last breath. 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