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Jiang grants that China can scale online education more easily than many countries because the institutional prerequisites are already in place: social buy-in, transmissive pedagogy, and infrastructure. But that only covers the easy part. Chinese schooling, as he describes it, runs on collective pressure. Test scores regulate self-worth, students evaluate themselves against nearby peers, pep rallies convert exams into patriotic struggle, and teachers command a classroom aura that borders on divinity. Online learning delivers the information but destabilizes the power geometry. Students lose motivational intensity, teachers lose monopoly control of the medium, and old resentment finds new technical weapons. The result is not a simple edtech success story. It is a dated COVID-era diagnosis of what a system discovers when it tries to digitize authority.", "source_notes": [ { "text": "The clip is dated 2020-04-25, early in the COVID online-learning period Jiang is diagnosing. 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The school system was already optimized for information delivery, which is the easiest part of schooling to move online. And the state had spent years building what he imagines as a high-speed railway system for education: a national edtech infrastructure meant to carry learning at scale. But the interview only becomes interesting when he explains why this success story breaks. Chinese schooling, in his telling, does not run mainly on content. It runs on extrinsic motivation, peer comparison, ritualized intensity, and a teacher-student power relation that works best inside the physical classroom. Once learning goes online, the information still moves, but authority leaks out of the system. 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